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General Software Discussion / Re: editor with built-in column or tiling facility - (Listhings comes close)

« Last post by Steven Avery on January 21, 2015, 01:15 PM »

However, it looks like it would be hard to fake out these row-oriented programmer editor's into thinking like a
full-screen note-pad. e.g. you would want to have the:

a) rows hard coded, creating a carriage return for any text leading into the new column. The cursor is forcing you to enter as a block.
  b) full-screen mode to be natural, allowing change of size on groups of lines.

Anybody succeed in that?

If you go into a program like Rightnote, without columns, you end up with huge amounts of white space and the inability to use the screen real estate productively.  (That is, on short choppy notes like To-Do lists .. it is superb for keeping written document style writing, even good unicode as I remember for Greek and maybe Hebrew fonts.)

The comparison is with various sticky notes implementations and web pages like listhings and note.ly and lino.
And somewhat artificial attempts to create a task work area.

Those can work, but not with super-ease. e.g. The web pages have very limited rtf, and your making of the columns, while pretty (different background colors) is a clunky manual endeavor.  You don't even have a template or easy copy capability.   So far, the one I like most is listhings because of a very nice tab implementation and quick writing capability, it can be used quite successfully for a full catalog of notes, with sharing capabilities. However RTF is simply stuff like bold and italics and there it seems there is no more development of the program.

By far the nicest method for many purposes would be within a *** note-taking program ***. (Either single-function or with a PIM.)
Even if it did not have any net integration other than Dropbox style.

Steven

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Living Room / Re: At last, KeyNote done better :)

« Last post by Steven Avery on January 15, 2015, 08:19 AM »

RightNote has had a 3.0 for awhile.

I think one big thing is Evernote integration.

***  Anybody using it?  Your thoughts? ***

Any other 3.0 features.  2.8.0.3 is the last 2-version.

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Upgrade is $30
Professional license is $60
Bits normal discount $45
Price on Bits day $30 - last Aug 2013

With all my interest in online notes, and with calendar software,
there is still a piece of mind in having one ultra-solid home base for notes.
A discussion here:

RightNote 3.0 - 50% deal at BitsDuJour - August 12-14
https://www.donation...ex.php?topic=35733.0

Keynote-NF, free, is always the fine alternative. However, for daily use
software, I don't mind paying a bit.

And there are many others, as we know..

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: editor with built-in column or tiling facility - (Listhings comes close)

« Last post by Steven Avery on January 06, 2015, 03:30 AM »

Correction:

PNotes does have "Pin Note to Window" . Related to Apps.  No fundamental lack compared to Notezilla and Stickies,
although implementations differ.

Mabye pin to the TaskSpace Window will let a TaskSpace bring up a set of notes cleanly.

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: TreeDBNotes Pro - Christmas and New Year Discount: 50%

« Last post by Steven Avery on January 06, 2015, 02:47 AM »

And I don't think they responded to my inquiry about why the discount price did not show.

It seems that the program lacks a calendar, keeping it out of the possibility of being the elusive note program that functions as a full PIM.

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TreeDBNote  "TreeDBNotes Pro is a universal information manager including a notes manager, contact manager, password manager and task manager, as well as a calendar, alarm clock, reminders, and many other useful features (attachments, screen capture, clipboard monitor, scratch pad, portable notes manager)."

Anybody see the calendar?
not that little history thing?

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RightNote - nothing (to be fair, a fine program, it is simply note-centric).

InfoQube - looks like it has new limited calendar
http://www.sqlnotes....ndex.php?q=node/1215

Mybase - very weak on pics to tell

MyInfo - "Calendar View"

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Or do you have to go to an Outlook-style PIM or a Calendar program to try to get that?
Even though these are all weak on notes and/or database.

Vueminder for the calendar is always a thought.  (yes, forum)

Pimero from Germany (worth a look)
Time & Chaos  (TX, USA - long and interesting PIM history. Is the email in Intellect anything, does it go back to Courier enhanced?)
And the various Outlook clones. (Essential WinPim Efficient -China)

(generally no forums in this last genre)

Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Abbyy screenshot reader

« Last post by Steven Avery on January 06, 2015, 02:20 AM »

thanks for the info, IainB. i do wonder what is the purpose of phoning home to check the validity of a free version.

-lanux128 (January 05, 2015, 08:14 PM)

Abbyy is not generally free, although it always has been an excellent deal.

So the phone-home has at least the purpose to see that the registration is not used on too many puters. They either did not want to change that for the freebie, and/or they did not want one free serial number to be on a boatload of puters.  And I did get that msg for the first time in years about two weeks ago (probably two puters were involved at the same time, although generally that had not been a problem, maybe they called home in close time proximity, hard to say. This was right before seeing the notice above about bonus Abbyy.)

Overall, if you want quick, light, reasonably accurate OCR, and with multiple language support, it is hard to overstate how excellent is this program.  I would wink at the occasional puzzlement about services.  Once years ago I had some services problem and Abbyy had very good support to explain and fix.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: editor with built-in column or tiling facility - (Listhings comes close)

« Last post by Steven Avery on January 05, 2015, 01:17 AM »

So far, so good.

In review.
There are really 3-4 distinct ways to accomplish this full visual note with frequent update idea.
This has come up on DC.

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Stickies: PNotes. (StickyPostr, Stickies, NoteZilla) 
And I have a post in on the PNotes forum
https://sourceforge....hread/bc18edd8/#2d6b

Net:  Listhings, Stormboard. Maybe a bunch of others like Padlet.

Apps:  Note software with multi-window feature (not found yet, might also have tabs).

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also .. Ad hoc: using Windows tools to create ad hoc, maybe TaskSpace or TaskLayout.
And/or virtual desktop like GoScreen.  However, this has to work with some elements
similar to the above. It can just help in minimizing/maximizing and choosing amount
of real estate.

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btw, a beginners question. I use MaxMax to clear space for some special icons (like kill Firefox) on the right.
If I wanted to clear the desktop from the System Tray or Taskbar, best method? Rather than the keyboard shortcut.
Just make a .bat file with .. something?  And how about a Restore Desktop followup ? That could be on the desktop,
or the system tray.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: editor with built-in column or tiling facility - (Listhings comes close)

« Last post by Steven Avery on January 04, 2015, 11:14 PM »

Hi,

Thanks. TaskSpace and TaskLayout look like interesting programs.  Reminds me of when I used GoScreen for virtual desktops. All of these I want to look into more as I start to make my work environment more comfortable.

I'm pretty sure that what I want is in the stickie notes land.  Although I think when some regular editors implement columns, people will realize how powerful it is.  © .   Maybe some do.

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For what I want, PNotes, which I loaded a few days ago, looks very good.  Fully open-source free, with a robust manager, command line switches (for making a show/hide icon), groups .. yeah!, and a decent RTF.  Slider for long notes. And ability to receive pics. Also portable friendly. Skins. And decent additional stuff like network send capabilities.  And a forum. And has longevity.  I am using the .NET version (they have an earlier one without).  They do have Plugins, such as post to Facebook. And sync to Dropbox and others.  Neat.

The editor toolbar is small in size, I'm going to ask about that. No calendar/reminder system, a feature of TurboNote+, I think calendars are not generally in stickies.

The weakness of PNotes compared to some competition ... all desktop, no attachment to web pages, documents, or programs, is, in this implementation, no problem at all. Where I want that stuff, I will separately use Stickies, NoteZilla, GumNote, Internote (Firefox,web), or various others. Maybe Diigo or Webnotes for more sophisticated web annotation.  (Sticky notes could use a good chart-matrix of features.)  

(Corrected 1/6 see below. PNotes has a pin to window, related to app, feature.)

All I really want today, the master visible ToDo, is a desktop group of notes that can cover the desktop and show/hide easily. And having multiple groups or subgroups may come in handy.

Shixxnote may deserve some attention as an alternate, if more robust LAN messaging is a help, 5 users $25, didn't see a note manager.
GloboNote is fairly new, free.

Gizmo goes for Stickies and PNote as the best free, and has a recent 2014 update.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: editor with built-in column or tiling facility - (Listhings comes close)

« Last post by Steven Avery on January 04, 2015, 12:33 PM »

One possibility is the usage of a Stickie with good RTF.

A Sticky program like Notezilla is one idea.   The idea would be to have a group of Sticky Notes that pretty much fill up the screen, that can be opened as a group and then closed as a group.  (I have not checked yet if this is possible.) This would not have the built-in multipage functionality of Listhings, but it might make for a very nice To-Do and Note page with pseudo-columns. Or tiles.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / editor with built-in column or tiling facility - (Listhings comes close)

« Last post by Steven Avery on January 04, 2015, 06:14 AM »

Greetings!

I like my "ToDo" notes to be very readable and pleasant.

And I use Listhings, which is similar to Google Keep, more versatile and colorful.  Listhings also has a good multi-page implementation where the url can go straight to the desired page externally. And the current page can be chosen and changed from a top bar. This is nice for online notes, available anywhere with the internet. You can set up various size text (or picture) boxes of various colors on top of the corkboard, so you can create a columnar or tiled effect as you like. Thus you might look at one page and have clearly in front of you.

ToDo Today
Special Events
Puter ToDo and Buy
Bible forum discussion
Finance
Job
Web Dev

All in front on the same editor page. A tiling effect, and columnar capability is the key.
Thus all the real estate in full-screen mode is used effectively.  ToDo notes tend
to be short, with lots of blank space to the right if you are in full-screen mode.

The limitation in Listhings is that the editor is weak. Some bold, italics and not much more.

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This got me thinking that I really want an editor that has a built-in column or tiling facility.
Thus when the editor is open full-screen it can act de facto as multiple distinct editors,
each column (or tile) has its own editing life.

This could be implemented in a program (e.g. Rightnote and VueMinder are programs with nice editors that I use).

And/or it could be implemented on a web page. (e.g. if Listhings had a good RTF editor it would qualify.)

The key is that logically it should be one document save involved for the page that has the multiple units.

Where does this exist?

Thanks!

Steven Avery

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: TreeDBNotes Pro - Christmas and New Year Discount: 50%

« Last post by Steven Avery on December 31, 2014, 10:45 PM »

Hey, I've always liked this program, even when using alternatives like RightNote.  I just never sprang for a full pro license.
I'm going to get a license.  Maybe get back into one PIM, like in the old Time & Chaos days.  (This is more Pimmable than
Rightnote.)

Thanks!  

======================

Ooops. The coupon code is a mystery.

======================

Grace and peace in the new year,
Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Abbyy screenshot reader

« Last post by Steven Avery on December 20, 2014, 06:16 AM »

Hi,

I may try OneNote as an additional method.  It says Windows 7 and 8. Also free (is that new?).

Wonder if it has a version running on XP.

On the PC XP where it had the new message, something like "license already in use PC-ABC" (another nearby Win7 puter ... this happened after an image and then Abbyy reinstall on the XP) I tried an uninstall and then new install of the December special.  Same type of message. May write them.  Possibly the serial # is kept on disk, or some footprint, or something. And then cloud referenced. Maybe they go by name (easy enough to check that.)

Correction: that may have been a different download.  The one I want should come from an email.  My bad. I think that was the trial that gave the message.  It still should not have happened.
Will report back later.

Either way .. note that Abbyy has a one license, one puter, possible enforcement.

Steven

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Found Deals and Discounts / Abbyy screenshot reader

« Last post by Steven Avery on December 20, 2014, 04:33 AM »

Abby Screenshot Reader
http://www.abbyy.com/bonussr/

(Added 1/6/2015 this might be the best url:
http://www.abbyy.com...enshot_reader_bonus/ )

And I don't see any catch. I bought this years ago for one user for $10. Now it is about $30.
Apparently the registration is now checking that it is one PC (just happened today first time.)

An incredible program if you need text extracts on-the-fly from google books and stuff like that.
(Any good alternatives?)

Note the Business Card reader too.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: antivirus and web defense

« Last post by Steven Avery on December 19, 2014, 09:49 AM »

Great lead.  It does seem that Outpost has given a great opportunity here. Webroot's deal is very fine, and I like their behaviour, but a year goes quickly. I'll download Outpost, the whole suite, on at least one puter, and make sure I like the interface and actions today.

Malewarebytes still seems to be a great program more for static scanning and cleanup.  Still, I might consider a lifetime Pro liscense when one arises (do I own one? I'll have to check) for my main puter. They are designed in a sense to be auxiliary, I'm not sure if their real-time addition is worth the effort. However, from the theory of layered protection, it does make sense.

WinPatrol I agree should be part of any security setup, inexpensive and strong.  There are other good startup programs, some prettier, and I usually have one more loaded, but WinPatrol has the security angle the strongest.

Thanks for the lead!  Now to decide on the Outpost download.  I always dislike removing or disabling any existing security and Online Armor and Avira and Webroot and various other tools are on some of the five main puters.  (One at work, one laptop, 4 at home, but one is mostly a Linux play-puter with dual boot.)  I am still tempted to keep Webroot on something, the problem is that I would probably end up with the "5" units 1 year, which is an extra $30 that is only for one year.

btw, knowing that I avoid Bitdefender because of how they handle the bait-and-switch with recurring charges, is there anybody else in this super-economy yet very solid defense mode?  ie. 2-3 years 3 puters for $75 or less?  Or, better yet, a lifetime under $100.  (More than Outpost, but still quite affordable.)

See, I knew this was the right place to ask!

Oh, there is still dedicated HIPS to consider.  AppGuard seems to be well liked on Wilders.  A spot of $ though.  Voodooshield is another.  I could see adding a real solid HIPS program. (Allowing that there is some degree in all the good suites.)

btw, rootkit protection I am a little skeptical, as the really good rootkit detectors can themselves put in too many OS hooks at a low-level for my comfort.  It seems that is more a factor if you have not done the basic protection.

Steven Avery

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General Software Discussion / Re: antivirus and web defense

« Last post by Steven Avery on December 10, 2014, 05:12 AM »

Hi,

So I have three major alternatives that I like, moving ahead.

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Outpost Security Suite Free
http://www.agnitum.c...urity-suite-free.php

This is totally free and does not seem to be missing functionality in the free version.
And for the Pro they list 2 years, 3-PCs for $60.  I would prefer 1 year at $30 .

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Webroot SecureAnywhere Internet Security Complete
(especially with the special above)

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Free Antivirus (e.g. Avast! Avira AVG)
combined with free firewall (e.g. Online Armor)

My problem here is not having warm comfy feelings on the AV side.
Generally, I do like layering with more than one company involved in security.

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There are other specials, BitDefender runs some, but I found their auto-renewal policy to be a mess.
However, with a special, they may be in the mix, with caution.

==============

All these methods should have some reasonable amount of HIPS involved connected to the AV side. Generally there is some augmentation on HIPS and Web, and the startup like WinPatrol. Some that I am checking now are AppGuard, VoodooShield (don't like the name) and the Policeman add-on for Firefox.  However, then we get into 100 more security products. The first two are not free and afaik do not have super license deals.

Another player who apparently has real deals is Dr. Web.  However there are about a dozen solid players in the Suite biz.

Your thoughts,
Steven Avery

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General Software Discussion / Re: antivirus and web defense

« Last post by Steven Avery on December 08, 2014, 06:35 AM »

Yes, I got close to uninstall. However, since those are two cousin firewalls clashing when only one should be up, and the reboot was smooth allowing me to browse and read about the problem, I was patient.  So far, so good, now I am posting on the Webroot forum.

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General Software Discussion / Re: antivirus and web defense

« Last post by Steven Avery on December 08, 2014, 05:35 AM »

Thanks!  Good suggestions.

Went to Webroot, a company i have liked.  Private Firewall, my firewall in this one puter, was I think in some manner built on their firewall engine.

Twice I got a BSOD (no problem in reboot). Checked the Webroot forum.  Loaded "WhoCrashed" free Home edition from Resplendence. My tentative conclusion was that the default firewall of Webroot was on (just turned it off) and the driver crashed in some manner with the other related firewall cousin also loaded. (WhoCrashed showed each of the two .sys files responsible for one crash each). Since that might be a legitimate problem and solution, I turned off the Webroot Firewall (it should have asked me on startup what shields I wanted.).  We shall see. I may dump Private Firewall, which gave me a good run of about 3 years, I don't like the fact that it is late loading on startup, I raised that at Wilders once.

Webroot did one other thing that was tacky. When I started the uninstall (which I cancelled, since I did the troubleshooting) they put up a false message:
"Your computer is currently infected. Are you sure you want to uninstall?"

Anyway, despite those glitches, I think Webroot might be the solution with the $50 or so for a year for multiple puters.

Outpost I have that early free firewall edition, discontinued, on one puter at work, which is ok. They don't have a particularly strong anti-virus reputation, However, if Webroot does not come through, I might give them a try.

Steven Avery

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General Software Discussion / antivirus and web defense

« Last post by Steven Avery on December 07, 2014, 08:16 PM »

Generally I have

WinPatrol, Online Armor, and the Malwarebytes scan are three major parts of defense, with a few extra cogs here and there.

Plus an anti-virus and web defense.
For a few years, Avast! free was my Anti-virus and Web Shield of choice (mail is not a problem).  

The new 2015 Avast I found too much of a hassle on CPU and uninstalled it, with Revo helping, after a spot of discussion on Wilders and reading on the Avast forum. I'm not saying I might not have eventually tamed the beast, but CPUs from 25 to 75 when very little is happening is not happy.

Free is not absolutely necessary.  And almost all the companies have had one black mark or another over the years.  Some worse than others.  

Maybe I will check what is active on one of the Brit PC Magazines for a special.

Without getting too convoluted about test results, do you have a comfy, happy, modest cost (ultimately 3-5 puters could be involved) recommendation?  I could go back to an earlier Avast! which was what one fella did.  AVG and Avira (I left when they danced with Uniblue) are always floating around with, like Avast!, free alternatives. Eset and Trend (surprise) and Kaspersky and GData and Panda and BitDefender and maybe Webroot or Emsisoft and some others are possible. Discounts right now look thin.

Real world thoughts?  I know this can get a tad hackneyed, but I appreciate the common sense approach of the DC crew.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: 7 Best Tools To Print To PDF (From The Web)

« Last post by Steven Avery on October 28, 2014, 04:27 PM »

PriPrinter is on Bits today. However only the Standard, which I think does not have the PDF feature.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox windows and CPU slow-downs and restarts

« Last post by Steven Avery on October 23, 2014, 03:28 PM »

Thanks great responses.

It sounds like Windows 7 is the same basic situation. 

As for the alternate browser, I always have that in theory, now in practice I think I will deputize google for ..
 a) gmail
 b) listhings (my personal notes online, google keep +++)
 c) maybe radio, I use Live365 and some others, and at times utube.   

Nice, simple 3 to 5 stable items out of the way, 2 of them that could crunch firefox. The notes makes sense because you can always find the window quickly with a single click or two. (Since Google will only have one window open with 3-5 tabs.) 

I had put little Firefox kill button on the right, using PsKill and a shortcut, and with MaxMax it was never covered so can get there even when things are real slowww .. I'll add the internal restart extension too, just for variety.

Big question.  I was at MicroCenter (some of those places are pretty sharp in my experience) and was playing on their MiniMac (I do have an Airpad so Macs are not so foreign) and it was very nice. The salesman said his Firefox experience was tons better on the Mac, in terms of this problem.  Anybody able to verify, or not?

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Firefox windows and CPU slow-downs and restarts

« Last post by Steven Avery on October 23, 2014, 12:06 PM »

I like Firefox, the extensions are a big deal.

If I open a lot of windows, which I do, it does not take long for CPU to slow me up, even without any youtube type of stuff. Then the simplest solution is to kill Firefox and restart.  I do use Session Manager, which is pretty good. Sometimes I start fresh, sometimes I bring up the same windows, (it seems like Firefox has improved and does not automatically try to activate all of them, waiting for you to hit the tab.)

In the long run I have a few solutions.

Close a window quickly. (not my normal way of operation for stuff I am thinking about)

Live with it.  It's my fault for opening 50 tabs, 20 or so in a couple of windows each. Just kill it and start over.

Check my Windows.  Oh, my main puter is XP, If I go to my Windows 7 it will be better ... or not.

Get an Apple Mini-mac.  It has a real OS and will comfortably take care of a gazillion.  Maybe.

Read all the Firefox memory and performance tips and extensions.  All the answers are right there. 

Which ones of these make the most sense? Which have worked for you?

Thanks!

Steven Avery

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General Software Discussion / Re: collaborative software, note strong, for small biz

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 03, 2014, 09:30 AM »

Hi,

Draft though is markdown, and I'm spoiled with RTF.

A few dead ends.

HyperOffice has a reputation for opt-out recurring billing.  That is ethically challenged.
UberNote has a big ad on the left, unless you go to premium for $80/yr, and seems to not be vibrant enough the last year or two.

So Zoho is on for now.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: collaborative software, note strong, for small biz

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 02, 2014, 03:55 PM »

Hi,

At this point I am revisiting Zoho and HyperOffice.  Since both have a real document motif, along with folders, storage, and additional functions like tasks and chat and discussions (a la carte tricky in Zoho) and seem less confusing that the Microsoft and Google environments, they may be the best for this type of light-to-moderate collaboration.  At least you know you can make a nice RTF document and place it in its natural spot and then find it later.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: collaborative software, note strong, for small biz

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 01, 2014, 09:42 PM »

Hi,

One excellent thing that came out of this search.

It looks like Listhings
http://listhings.com/  
(they need to show you a better picture - my board already would be far better than what I find on the net, however it has phone #s etc.)

can be my main note program, working with a sticky paradigm, yet with more sophistication. Colorful notes, multiple pages (i.e tabs) and bold, italics, etc. ie. No real RTF (so it is limited, not for my style of writing and research) but the  colorful notes and background, combined with bold usage for titles is good enough for quick note - reminder - capability. Has overlap capability. Has some features like checkbox capability and auto-arrange that I have not used.  

They mention collaboration, that may be a function of simply using the tabs==pages harmoniously.  Each person has a "to" page or topics get a page, stuff like that. However, they do have a "share" button, so I will see their thinking. Maybe I can set up a view page and then invite people to see, with a url, who do not have edit capability.

Apparently, the pro model makes them some revenue (there is a page discussing the sale of the site and company for the modest $20K in 2012, it began in 2009) from people who put pictures up there at $2.50 a month. That seems fair enough if you are using listhings as your all purpose sort of showcase or collaborative notes.

I just tried an upload and it goes like this:

"You can upload files of up to 3 MB each. Become a Listhings Pro user and upload files of up to 12 MB each, and get 5 GB disk space for images. That's enough for 5 million medium-size photos. $2.50/month"  

So maybe I can upload my smallish .jpg screenshots even in the free version. Yep, it works! And, since my pics tend to have print, I can stretch them by normal mouse stuff to make them readable at the size I want.

In structure, it works a lot like Xerpi, which is my top-down url program (linkman is my down-up program) with many pages, in terms of the tab==page structure.

Really fine app.

Apparently Google Keep and some extensions like Dashnote for Chrome are the other players in the field. Do we have a thread on net sticky pages? Also there are sticky programs like Internote that work on web pages that I have tried to like, that is a totally different field anyway.

To me Listhings seems to be a start to bridging the gap from stickies to regular (Rightnote) stuff for the small pages filled with notes. Rightnote, or the cloud attempt equivalent, then becomes the large text (articles, research) use only.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: collaborative software, note strong, for small biz

« Last post by Steven Avery on September 01, 2014, 03:56 PM »

Hi

I poke in an out of Zoho at times.  I know the actual document writing is fine, although not necessarily snappy. I have to see if the structure can be made pleasant. Similar situations with Ubernote and PBWorks, which have different paradigms, without the note at center.

What I am doing now is watching the collaboration videos, also looking for references to Rich Text Editor or RTF in the reviews, by google searching, stuff like that. There are a lot of lean and clean collaboration project and task management softwares, however they seem to consider actual editing (even e.g. similar to a web forum, I am not talking about all the word processing things) to be a non-issue. I think they might be lazy and not want to check which RTF implementation they can integrate. After all, they would, I think, only have to do API coding, or whatever it is when you embed an RTF editor.  That is why the lack is surprising.

I'm also looking at this review article from 2012, which has a cloud section, although it is not collaboration oriented.

The Best Apps and Cloud Services for Taking, Storing, and Sharing Notes
http://www.howtogeek...g-and-sharing-notes/

Springpad and Springnote are defunct.

Listhings looks like an alternative to compare to Google Keep for an online sticky page.

WebAsyst I had looked at, may flunk the rtf doc test, will check.

Penzu looks cute, the RTF editing function looks similar to ProofHub, ie. limited yet acceptable, however it is not collaboration software.

Evernote .. dunno, I never took to it in the past, worthy of some consideration.

Not included:

Wiznotes is a sleeper, discovered here. Maybe the best, putting aside the China Syndrome.
Onenote, again dunno, how is the cloud implemenation.
Ubernote - maybe the main one not included that is right in the genre.

Steven

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General Software Discussion / Re: collaborative software, note strong, for small biz

« Last post by Steven Avery on August 31, 2014, 08:42 PM »

Google Docs I will try more.  I wouldn't mind using it sometimes as a word processor to go to HTML to the web, an alternative to my current Atlantic Word Processor which is desktop.

It just seems to be so integrated with google drive, and I like DriveHQ with a real file manager, maybe I am missing some app or widget or something.

Even at the best though, for the biz needs, it seems like it would only be a fair documents in folders with search solution. Very limited.  I always find google trying to do too many things, other than the one I want to get done.

I'm not automatically non-google and non-MS, OneNote in the cloud might be good, (downloaded Wiznote too) it is just that you are really winging it without true support and without the most cohesive program for the job. (Although Google docs may be A-1 for cloud docs, and also the spreadsheet we are using already, although that has its own questions.)

Let me reiterate that ProofHub seems to be reasonably acceptable. The docs were funny, visible enough, and ruled lines with two sizes of font, and various RTF.  Unusual, yet good enough, especially seeing how weak, so far, most every web app is in the shared docs areas, i.e as part of task, calendar etc collaboration tools.

There are so many alternatives it is hard to narrow it and then try them out and find the gotchas.  I'll probably spend some time with both ProofHub and Wiznotes now and see how they fit (Wiznotes maybe become my personal Rightnote-style program in the net, even if it does not feel comfy for the biz, the China syndrome is always a concern.)

Steven