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I got a horrible mood when I just could not update a few things because of bad libraries or something...-TaoPhoenix (June 01, 2013, 03:47 AM)


Also, while we're at it: Why exactly are Linsux users too dumb/lazy to spell "Windows" correctly? Can't Linux stand out without having superior operating systems bashed verbally?-Tuxman (May 29, 2013, 03:27 AM)
Freudian slip, perhaps?-skwire (May 30, 2013, 06:57 PM)
Methinks OS Envy.-Tinman57 (May 30, 2013, 07:57 PM)

Microsoft is trying really hard to destroy itself. I have always developed software for Windows and this really bothers me, because if they go down, they probably take me with them.-vlastimil (May 30, 2013, 04:29 AM)



Watched Banlieue 13 the other night starring David Belle, one of the developers of Parkourw.-4wd (May 30, 2013, 01:22 AM)

I'd give it a 4 on a scale of 10.-40hz (May 30, 2013, 12:20 AM)
A bit too generous, I'd go for 3.-4wd (May 30, 2013, 01:22 AM)
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Hm, "fast boot" being done deliberately to foil entering the firmware? That sounds a bit too tinfoil-hatty.-f0dder (May 30, 2013, 07:32 AM)

One Morning in New England, 1940, the entire population of Friar New Hampshire - 572 people - walked together up a winding mountain trail and into the wilderness. They left behind their clothes, their money, all of their essentials. Even their dogs were abandoned, tied to posts and left to starve. No One knows why. A search party dispatched by the U.S. Army eventually discovered the remains of nearly 300 of Friar's evacuees. Many had frozen to death. Others were cruelly and mysteriously slaughtered. The bodies of the remaining citizens are still unaccounted for. Over the years, a quiet cover-up operation managed to weave the story of Friar into the stuff of legends and backwoods fairy tales. The town has slowly repopulated, but the vast wilderness is mostly untracked, with the northern-most stretches off limits to local hunters and loggers. In 2008, the coordinates for the "YELLOWBRICKROAD" trail head were declassified. The first official expedition into a dark and twisted wilderness will attempt to solve the mystery of the lost citizens of Friar...and reach the end of the trail. Written by Andy Mitton and Jesse Holland


And one of the biggest reasons why I'm going to Penguin-land. I've had it with MS's BS.-Tinman57 (May 29, 2013, 08:13 PM)



(see attachment in previous post)It's not the volume that's noteworthy, it's the sustained absence of meaningful content!
Chris on form (as ever)
-tomos (May 28, 2013, 03:23 PM)-cranioscopical (May 29, 2013, 12:43 PM)

Is this a hard and fast rule mouser?
We really don't have hard and fast rules here.. everything is a bit squishy.-mouser (May 29, 2013, 01:33 PM)

Secure Boot isn't the only problem facing Linux on Windows 8 hardware
May. 28th, 2013 05:20 pm
mjg59
There's now no shortage of Linux distributions that support Secure Boot out of the box, so that's a mostly solved problem. But even if your distribution supports it entirely you still need to boot your install media in the first place.
Hardware initialisation is a slightly odd thing. There's no specification that describes the state ancillary hardware has to be in after firmware→OS handover, so the OS effectively has to reinitialise it again. This means that certain bits of hardware end up being initialised twice, and that's slow in some cases. The most obvious is probably USB, which has various timeouts as you wait for hardware to settle. Full USB support in the firmware probably adds a couple of seconds to boot time, and it's arguably wasted because the OS then has to do the same thing (but, thankfully, can at least do other things at the same time). So, looking for USB boot media takes time, and since the overwhelmingly common case is that users don't want to boot off USB, it's time that's almost always wasted.
One of the requirements for Windows 8 certified hardware is that it must complete firmware initialisation within a specific amount of time, something that Microsoft refer to as "Fast Boot". Meeting these requirements effectively makes it impossible to initialise USB, and it's likely that certain other things will also be skipped. If you've got a USB keyboard then this obviously means that your keyboard won't work until the OS starts, but even i8042 setup takes time and so some laptops with traditional PS/2-style keyboards may not set it up. That means the system will ignore the keyboard no matter how much you hammer it at boot, and the firmware will boot whichever OS it finds.
For a newly purchased device, that's going to be Windows 8. It's not too much of a problem with a fully installed Windows 8, since you can hold down shift while clicking the reboot icon and get a menu that lets you reboot into the firmware menu. Windows sets a flag in a UEFI variable and reboots the system, the firmware sees that flag and does full hardware initialisation and then drops you into the setup environment. It takes slightly longer to get into the firmware, but that's countered by the time you save every time you don't want to get into the firmware on boot.
So what's the problem? Well, the Windows 8 setup environment doesn't offer that reboot icon. Turn on a brand new Windows 8 system and you have two choices - agree to the Windows 8 license, or power the machine off. The only way to get into the firmware menu is to either agree to the Windows 8 license or to disassemble the machine enough that you can unplug the hard drive[1] and force the system to fall back to offering the boot menu.
I understand the commercial considerations that result in it ranging from being difficult to impossible to buy new hardware without Windows pre-installed, but up until now it was still straightforward to install an alternative OS without agreeing to the Windows license. Now, installing alternative operating systems on many new systems will require you to give up certain rights even if you want nothing other than to reach the system firmware menu.
I'm firmly of the opinion that there are benefits to Secure Boot. I'm also in favour of setups like Fast Boot. But I don't believe that anyone should be forced to agree to a EULA purely in order to be able to boot their own choice of OS on a system that they've already purchased.
[1] Which is a significant and probably warranty-voiding exercise on many systems, and that's assuming that it's not an SSD soldered to the motherboard…


The official camera attachment for everyone’s favorite $25 computer, the Raspberry Pi, released only a couple of weeks ago, but people are already using it in impressive ways. Rather than just make a cheap, DIY camera that sat in his basement, Dave Ackerman made a cheap, DIY camera and sent it far above Earth to snap photos of our planet.
In order to make the RasPi’s flight as smooth as possible, the rig had to be as light as it could be. Ackerman built a lightweight craft in which the Model A was contained, then attached it to a balloon and parachute.
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I nominate Zaine to be the official full-time DonationCoder.com movie reviewer.Seconded!-mouser (May 28, 2013, 08:08 AM)-barney (May 28, 2013, 12:06 PM)



Thank you.-pilgrim (May 26, 2013, 08:35 AM)

@40 - I know there's a link to this somewhere else on this site, I fell down that rabbit hole last time I saw it!-x16wda (May 26, 2013, 08:12 AM)


