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General Software Discussion / Re: What is your preferred font?
« Last post by superboyac on February 27, 2011, 08:26 PM »
That IS cool.  I like that.  Gives it almost a comic book feel to it.
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General Software Discussion / Re: What is your preferred font?
« Last post by superboyac on February 27, 2011, 07:05 PM »
I finally found a good use for the RayGun font. It looks good as idx/sub subtitles made by AviAddXSubs.  After experimentation I found out that my WD HD TV for USB set top box will show the subtitle border if YUV option is checked on Configuration 2 page.

Unfortunately I have 1st gen WD player and it does not display colors for external idx/sub subtitles.  But at least this scheme stands out even over a white background. With YUV option checked it shows a funky color on the PC which deterred me from trying the setting earlier.  But on the WD box it looks like the standard white characters with black border.

I think the RayGun font looks much better than Tahoma or Ariel for subs. It doesn't have the puffy periphery I dislike.


Can you show a screenshot?  It sounds cool!
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Yo!  Armando...sorry, didn't respond...
I see your point.  No, I don't use all the features of the Bat, but I use enough of them where gmail just doesn't even come close to meeting my needs.  But it is extreme, my reasons are often making a mountain out of a molehill.  I'm a person who has a very difficult time just "accepting" something.  I'd rather deal with the headache, than give up the one little thing I'm obsessed about.  Anyway, some of the features I use in the Bat that are not possible with other email solutions:
--managing multiple email accounts in just the right way
--locally stored files.  easily shared between applications.  Even Outlook is not as easy to share as people seem to think, but I don't want to get into those details
--quick templates; they let me automate a lot of things.
--layout control.  most other programs don't allow you to modify the layout as much as the Bat.
--powerful filtering.  gmail doesn't have it, nor does outlook.  Gmail's is way too simple.  Outlook is just odd and stupid.
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JJ, I can speak for myself: I do not like using cloud applications.  It's not because they "can't" do anything.  I'm sure they can all do everything anyonoe can want.  That's not it.  First, I don't like using software through the browser.  Everything is slower and browser-y.  I almost always prefer a local app.  So I'll have a hard time getting past that first point.  Furthermore, cloud apps tend to be subscription apps...yet another reason to avoid them.  i hate subscriptions.

I'm just against the idea of cloud computing.  I don't think they are nearly as responsive as local programs, including google's free ones like gmail.  Now people will ask me, what do I mean by "responsive"?  Clicking things and doing stuff is just....not as responsive.  I don't want to get into a technical thing here and measure times with a stopwatch.  I know gmail is plenty fast enough and all that.  But I don't want to use the browser as my OS.  There's a reason why I prefer Windows over other operating systems.  You really can't compare Windows to Firefox, if we're talking about using them as operating systems.  Just because we are so used to using the browser as an OS these days, doesn't mean it's better.  The local OS is still much better....in so many ways.  I'll fight committing anything to the cloud as long as I can.  I will spend money to avoid it.  I will go to very extreme measures...I'll use the Bat instead of webmail...I'll run a server to avoid Dropbox...and so forth.  If you are not concerned about using the cloud, then go for it.  But if you are after true independance, local programs are the only way to go.
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yes, yes, and yes.  I never want my stuff on other people's servers.  At least, not exculsively.  I must have my own copies here locally, so that I can back it up and all that.  I've written here about my backup methods, which are somehwat extreme for an individual user.  I must have spent thousands of dollars on it...and this is not even for my business!  The bat, despite my complaints, is probably the only program that has the power necessary for me to be comfortable with the future of all my life's emails.  The only other one that I used to use is Pegasus mail, but I switched to the Bat after I came to DC.  One great thing about the Bat is that you probably don't have to worry about the future of your data.  The way they've done it almost guarantees that you'll be able to get whatever you need out of it if things change later.

But it really comes down to keeping my data locally.  Seriously, if not for that, I probably wouldn't even use Windows.  If I did not care about my files and folders in an obsessive way, there is no way I'd even care about computers that much.  I don't care about operating systems, I don't care about gadgets and software (other than the "cool" factor).  i wouldn't care if things were cloud or not.  I'd be like my friends who just use whatever is there.  The same way i am with cell phones.  I could care less about losing all the data on my phone or my ipad.  So I just use them because I have to.  But the pc is where my life is basically stored.  So that's why I have this love/hate thing going on.
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At this point, you're right, it is a love/hate relationship with the Bat.  The reason why I use the bat is because i need to have all of my emails stored locally on my harddrive.   There is no better program for that than the bat.  I also prefer standalone apps over cloud apps.  I am very much against cloud apps because I don't have complete control, like I do with local programs and files.  I hesitated for a long time before using google's services online.  And I've been very happy with Google's services, but I don't think I'll ever commit entirely to them.  I treat it the same way i treat my ipad: a convenience.  It's a convenient way to get my email no matter where I am.  But my homebase is still the Bat.

I know I can be super duper critical at times, but it's usually because I care a lot about the program, not really because I'm trying to be an asshole about it.  I wouldn't discuss it this much if I didn't care.  I like the Bat a lot, and I feel it has the opportunity to fix a lot of holes it has, and make it a tremendously awesome application.  It really doesn't have to be hardcore at all.  It's an email application.  It's a matter of spending time and money, and putting in buttons and conveniences.

I also know I'm on an Apple kick lately, that's why it keeps creeping into my posts.  I think the disconnect between myself and a lot of other users here is that..well...I make a big deal out of what most people here consider insignificant things.  i know this. That's why it makes me sound like a douchebag.  I have nothing to say to that, it's true, what can I say?  I know I can just "let it go", and not expect everything to be perfect.  I just feel compelled to point it out a lot.  believe me, I'm constantly criticized for this.  The thing is, like the rest of life, it's both my strength and weakness.  It makes me sound like a douche, but it also has led to the talents I have.  So I don't fight it too much anymore, but I will apologize for offending people, because that is not my goal.

Back to the point, I'm very very obsessive about having ALL of my data in my control.  I doubt many people here have gone to the extremes that I have to do that, especially on a personal level (not for work).  I think it defines me as a computer user.  I wouldn't even care about Windows and Apple if I were not obsessive about my data.  Anyway, someone called me defensive yesterday...I think he's right!
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In theory, I like timns' solution. However, Stylus Studio -- even if great -- is at least 99 $... A tad expensive if all you want is to a few xml exports here and there. I also wonder how much energy and learning it would take to learn XML's basics and design nice templates in Stylus. It doesn't seem that hard, but... all that is very relative.
Thanks Armando and timns.  I went to Stylus Studio's and couldn't really tell what it did (too much corporate jargon nonsense).  It sounds it can take xml files, and you can use the program to manipulate it and get it looking good.  Then, I'm assuming you can save whatever configuration you did, and keep using it for other exports from each particular program.  That's cool!  If it can do it, it would be worth the $100, which is not too bad.  I know I'd be more than happy to pay for it if it could do that.

It sounds similar to Crystal Reports.  I just hope it's easier to use, and just not a headache like CR.
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N.A.N.Y. 2011 / Re: NANY 2011 Release: Color Warlock
« Last post by superboyac on February 25, 2011, 11:31 PM »
Hey!  This is really cool!
You guys do great stuff around here, I'm continually impressed.
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I think it's on-topic, Armando!  Yes, you bring up the subjectivity in all of this.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not really praising Apple programs on the whole.  Whether or not we agree about elegance, I think it's clear that Apple programs are going to be generally more intuitive than their pc analogues.  I'm not saying their programs are better; if they were, I'd be using them.  But I need the power and flexibility, so I stick to Windows stuff.  What I'm trying to push for is a nicer marriage between ease of use and power than I see (generally) today.  Programs like Editpad do a good job of this.  So do mouser's programs.  I do think Windows offers an environment where this can be accomplished more so than Apple.  Why?  Because Windows doesn't place as many restrictions...even if those restrictions naturally tend simpler, easier programs.  You won't find a lot of good, powerful alternatives for programs on Apple, but you will find several with Windows.  THe price we pay is usually more complicated interfaces and more difficulty learning how to use.  Some of this may be unsolvable.  Maybe you just can't have all this freedom and power without expecting a little complexity along the way.
So I'm in no way defending one or the other.  However, with the Bat, i think they are extreme enough to warrant some criticism.

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On a related note, I do believe that elegance and beauty are not entirely subjective; I do believe that it is largely universal.  But that's a philosophical road I'd rather not go down!

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General Software Discussion / Re: Is DonationCoder too exposed of a brand?
« Last post by superboyac on February 25, 2011, 12:34 PM »
What brought me here was mouser's mega review of text editors. I thought, here's a guy who really loves software. I must have read that thing ten times.

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Back to an earlier line of thought, and this observation: one reason some may feel stagnation is the very state of software itself. Desktop software -- including operating systems -- are at an all-time high for maturity, stability, power, and choice. Whatever my text editor doesn't presently do, I can write a script to do within it. There's little room to argue improvement in something like Microsoft Office, for, what does it not do at this point! Same for Windows and for me, Linux. We know the Apple folks are hooked and we also know they have no influence on what Steve Jobs will do next. And I haven't even gotten to cloud software, which morphed into "apps" but are packaged and sold as "services" -- the browser is the focus for today's mass of users.
Yes, yes.  All moneymakers want to eventually end up where the financial industry is.  Where, instead of selling products (which is a lot of labor and difficult) you charge for services.  Services are always cash cows.  Because you lock people into long term contracts.  it's difficult to get out, but easy to get in.  And...the best part...you charge a percentage rather than a set price.  So the bigger the scope, the larger the pay, EVEN IF the amount of labor is exactly the same.  Real Estate is the same.  This is where all the big money makers are.  This is what separates the rich from the other people.
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Can this Bat of yours be customised, plug-in'd or otherwise extended? If so there may be a way to shoehorn in a better editor while retaining all the other fine features of the program.
You can write plugins, but very very few people have.  One of the best ones is AntiSpamSniper, which I love.  Great example of how to properly program something.  I doubt you can easily write something to replace the editor without it being klunky.  I mean, to the Bat's credit, they offer the plain Windows editor as an option, which I use.  But I miss some of the coloring features in Microed if you do that.  but I stick to it because the wordwrapping works.

But back to the plugins question, the real problem is that the Bat developers just don't spend much time developing the program.  So if you tried writing a plugin, you'd start wondering how to tie it into the application, and you'd need documentation and support form the developers.  but you wouldn't get any.  There isn't even basic documentation about using the program, there's going to be no documentation for developers.  You can't even communicate with them by email.  You have to use their bugtracking system.  So that means when you ask a question, you'll wait a day before a response.  And if you have a followup, another day, etc.  So a simple question that could be taken care of in an hour or two by bouncing emails back and forth, now takes a few days.  So you just won't be able to figure anything out.  And if you want a community to talk to, the only real option is the usenet forum, which means only a very select kind of people will be there, so it probably won't be too helpful.

The Bat has just set up a system that isolates themselves from the community.  No emailing, no discussions, nothing.  It's clear their goal is to spend as little time as possible to keep the program merely functioning.
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It makes you re-think how to write software...

For instance,
- are all those toolbars really necessary?
- are all those fancy buttons really necessary?
- does the customer need this feature? should it be designed in a better way? ...

Windows is going in complete opposite direction than Mac. There are so many technologies and UI interfaces for Windows - MFC, NET, WPF, Silverlight, Flash, RIA, Restful interfaces, browser interface, SOAP, Ajax and probably a dozen more UI toolkits for Windows...

Then look at the way how iPad and Mac OSX apps are developed. Then you say,
WTF were you doing all that time writing software without thinking about the user??
True.  I actually don't blame Microsoft as much as the developers.  The way I see it, we need Microsoft to do their OS the way they do.  In fact I think Windows OS is brilliant and don't have a lot of complaints about it.  Windows provides an environment where developers can pretty much do anything (unlike Apple).  The problem is the developers don't know how to wrangle in that complete freedom.  They need to take all that development freedom and present it to the user in an easy way.  That' why I get totally turned off by programs that like to use a lot of command line features to do their functions (i.e. The Bat's quick templates).  Instead, they should spend a little extra time and create some buttons, windows, and visual elements that turn that programming language into something that is easy to grasp and work with.  I mean, how far do we go?  If people were comfortable using command line stuff, they'd be comfortable just coding things themselves.  So if you truly want to help the average user accomplish a task, you take your expertise (programming) and convert that into something that is general and universal...buttons, icons, etc.

That's I get super pissed off when I tell the Bat developers that their word wrap in Microed doesn't work.  They say, "well just press Ctrl-L whenever it doesn't work".  The problem with that is most windows users don't think about word wrapping, it just happens.  Now, I have to always be thinking about word wrapping.  It's fucking annoying.  imagine if, as I'm typing this post, I had to remember to press a keyboard shortcut to make sure things get wrapped, otherwise each paragraph would be one long line.  It's not right, it's almost mean.  They are saying, I don't care about you kind of people...which is most of the people.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Is DonationCoder too exposed of a brand?
« Last post by superboyac on February 25, 2011, 09:51 AM »
I know I keep repeating this, but I think a lot of people subconsciously overlook the fact that what keeps them coming back to these forums is the design.  The "software" of this forum is possibly the most elegant, beautiful, etc. that I have ever seen.  I really feel that plays a huge role in the community here...a lot bigger than what you would expect.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Is DonationCoder too exposed of a brand?
« Last post by superboyac on February 25, 2011, 09:32 AM »
Otherwise the nonsequiturs in a thread like this are mind-killers.
So true.

And 40hz post above!  Loving it!  I feel like 40hz needs a special section for just the wisdom articles.  That's two great posts in two days!
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The Mac image editor is simply elegant
Yup, that's my new favorite word.  I hate sounding like a fanboy, because I am SO not.  But when it comes to interface, Apple beats pc software most of the time, and it's not even close.  Now, windows users will say "But we can do more, and windows stuff is more powerful"  which is true.  But from a business perspective, interface is what sells, not powerful features.  Powerful features sell to people like us who are hardcore software powerusers, and have a lifetime of experience with computers, but we only represent a very small number of sales.  But if you want to sell the maximum number of programs, you HAVE to make sure the interface is easy and is giving people what they want...i.e. what Apple does. Now, if you don't want to sell a lot but just want a powerful program, then you don't need to worry about it, which seems to be the attitude of most pc developers.  But if I hear that developers are wondering why their stuff doesn't sell more, all I can do is smirk and think "Look, if you want to sell more, you have to give people what they want.  Not what you think they should want."
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This is good. No portable version?
Sometimes you can just copy the program directory to your usb stick and it works.  but I don't think there's an intentional portable version.
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great post, vizaac.  I don't know anything about Loken other than Terminator.  I'll have to read what makes her so special.  I haven't even hear of her since.

Some of your great points:
The MicroEd editor is famous at making your text break or add annoying spaces in-between. I don't know why they think this is a good feature  Sad
exactly.  They think it's a good feature because the only people they pay attention to are the beta testers on usenet, who are not exactly representative of people who like to make things easy.  Also, they just don't seem to care about really developing the software.  It seems like the code has remained pretty much the same for years, and very very minimal effort has been put in between versions.  I bet the programmers spend a few hours a year here and there doing stuff.  All the feature requests go unanswered.  The list bugfixes and new features that I have to assume is just the simplest, easiest things to add.

Did anyone think about export to Android or Nokia phone?
They will NEVER do this.  Waaay too much work for them.  they have difficulty adding a checkbox in the options menu, there's no way there going to do something like that.  only minor things will be modified.

Take a look at the iPad or iPhone email client. It has much, much fewer features but makes an amazing email client.

Then go back to TheBat and wonder why the developers cannot focus their time on the features everyone wants instead of adding new features without much reasoning or thought and new versions every two or so years...
yup.  Surprisingly, Apple tries to give an experience that a NORMAL person will enjoy.  The Bat tries to give an experience that will only be enjoyed by those who consider usenet as their preferred forum-type communication.  People who get really mad when you top-post.  People who get really really really mad if you don't do the proper dash-dash-space-enter delimiter for signatures.  That's who the Bat developers listen to.  If you want, say, the editor to work well...meaning the place where you write emails and spend 90% of your time while you're in the program...you will be ignored.
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vizacc, firstly, is that the Terminator 3 chick?  She was bad ass.  Some of my favorite action scenes in that movie.

And about PC and Mac software, you are correct.  As far as money and business go, a lot of PC developers are shooting themselves in the foot.  It's not entirely their fault.  40hz's historical explanation today is very revealing and thought provoking.  The culture has already been long established with Windows software: more features are good good good.  Making things elegant and easy is ignored.  I don't think the developers think making things easy is bad, necessarily, but they ignore the need for it.  We pc users operate under the assumption that clicking around in windows and figuring out how a program works is a very intuitive, easy thing for everyone.  It's not.  Often times, what is happening is that the users and developers are getting a big kick out of interesting, but largely insignificant features being added to the program.  But they are not demanding that the everyday functions be improved or streamlined.  So little annoyances in programs remain version after version.

That's why I keep insisting that there's a good business opportunity out there for a developer who decides to address these issues.  There is a demand for this stuff, but who is the one that is going to fill the need AND make a living doing so?
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Some time ago, I decided to get a Mac and lose all those expensive Windows apps.

It took a while to migrate 50,000 email messages from a whole load of folders in TheBat, Outlook, ThunderBird and Outlook Express to Mac Mail. I'd say I lost maybe 5,000 emails or maybe 10,000 emails when I used Outlook Express and ThunderBird :(

Ever since I used MacMail:
- I got a working address-book that syncs with my iPad, iPhone, Google, Yahoo and LAN here. No more Windows Address book problems!
- I never lost a sync or contact for past 6 months
- Email backup: almost automatic...
- There's a script to do remove duplicates, remove attachments, tag folders
- Automatic syncing between iPhone, iPad
- never had to bother with those WinMail.dat or HTML spam or EXE attachments ever
- There's tagging, color tagging,
- Working to-do lists,
- Calendar that syncs with Google, Yahoo.
- automatic filing with intelligence
- brilliant search feature
- IMAP compatibility. I can use Exchange with MacMail too

I especially like Mail, To-do list, Reminders and Calendar API integration system-wide.  :-*
I hear you.  A lot of PC developers don't care to make life easy for the end user.  They want to add features features and more features, and often ignore the little things that just make life a little easier.  I still often wonder what significant improvements/fixes the Bat has done in the last 5 years, and it's not much.  They still refuse to have a true forum, they don't fix any of the issues with MicroED that have been there for years.  They still don't have ANY documentation for anything.  It's funny; they have a Quick Templates feature that is very powerful, and it has its own syntax, it's basically a programming language.  Is there any documentation for this language?  Nope.  You just have to figure it out.
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Coding Snacks / Re: IDEA: Plain text checklist manager
« Last post by superboyac on February 23, 2011, 03:58 PM »
Interesting info, 40!  I never knew all that about emacs.  it sounds like a mini operating system.  is it portable?  If I learn a few things, it can be a portable OS!
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Coding Snacks / Re: IDEA: Plain text checklist manager
« Last post by superboyac on February 23, 2011, 02:48 PM »
OOO:
http://widefido.com/products/todopaper/
That program is perfect for what I was looking for.  Man, i wish it were free  :(.
If I detailed the characteristic features, do you think we could mimic it here?
I see on his blog that last spring and again this past winter (unfortunately expired Feb 1st, 2011) he offered specials and TodoPaper was available for $9.99. Though not free, looks like a good deal to watch for in the future.

Definitely.  I would have gotten it just now, but the printing is still weak, as in all other programs.
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Coding Snacks / Re: IDEA: Plain text checklist manager
« Last post by superboyac on February 23, 2011, 11:42 AM »
Emacs Org Mode does something along those lines.

(Plus - being Emacs - about ten billion additional things most people couldn't care less about.  :-\)

Might be worth looking at for ideas.

Non-technical intro article can be found here.
emacs is still around?  I used that in college for a programming class.  I wrote a bowling scoring program.
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Personally I'd rather take #2 to a meeting than #1 - the formatting is less than optimal, but it doesn't have the "color puke explosion" nastiness of #1 :)

Anyway, sure, if you can export to a sane, well-structured format (XML, CSV, whatever) it's definitely possible to write an auto-formatter. For XML, it might be as simple as defining a stylesheet.
Sorry buddy.  I don't know if you are speaking hypothetically or what, but if I took that to a meeting and showed it to people, I would be "talked to" afterward.  The colors are not for aesthetics.  I've colored things like that so they draw the eye to the appropriate places.  And I wouldn't show that in a meeting either.  I'd use softer earth tones that are more beautiful to look at.

I was thinking that what I really want is like a Crystal Reports type of application.  Or SQL Server Reporting Services.  Or something like that.
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Often times at work, I'm using a really great tool to help me do something.  Stuff like InfoQube, Mylife Organized, etc.  These programs have beautiful ways of presenting information on the screen.  However, when they export or print, it looks like shit.  And you usually have to take it over to Excel or Word, and do some manual massaging to get it to look halfway decent.  These programs are business type tools, and there's no way to print directly from the program (one-click) and take that paper to a meeting with "important" people because it looks so bad.

Is there a program that can take these exports from software (csv, tab-delimited text files, xml files, etc.) and create a preset rules for that kind of file, and then once the rules are made, you can have a one-click solution to beautiful reports.  Is there anything like that?

I'll give an example of the problem.  the first screenshot below is what the MLO screen looks like.  The second one is what it prints out (there's no way to change it).  How could I possibly take that to a meeting?
screenshot_20110223074904.png
screenshot_20110223075002.png

When that happens, it makes me really torn about wanting to use the program.  I NEED the program because it can do things no other program can do.  On the other hand, I can't share the data with anyone because they expect reports on paper.  So then I have to massage it in another application like Excel.  But it comes to a point where I say F-it, I'll just do the whole thing on Excel.  And then I stop using the program.  Then, developers wonder why they don't have more users.
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Coding Snacks / Re: IDEA: Plain text checklist manager
« Last post by superboyac on February 23, 2011, 09:36 AM »
Thanks app, I do like your application.  If they start breaking my balls about my task schedule here at work, I'll probably use yours since it's simple.

Is there a software out there that only does styling?  Like, if certain programs spit out text files in a certain way, you can use another program to stylize it based on rules?  For example, when it sees the string "@done" in front of a line, make the font 16, background color, etc.?  Is there something that can do that?
It would be like a css styler that you setup one time and use automatically to print things from then on.
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