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General Software Discussion / Re: Microsoft Launches Security for Windows
« Last post by JavaJones on May 31, 2006, 09:25 PM »
According to Betanews it's $49.95/yr.

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Why is so much software cracked?
« Last post by JavaJones on May 31, 2006, 08:14 PM »
I think "fair market value" means, in theory, "the amount of money that equates to the highest profits due to the ratio of license cost and number of licenses sold". "Fair" is not necessarily used in the traditional sense, or rather the sense most people take it, but it works.

In any case what I find amazing Cpilot is that you're refusing to even consider the proposed solutions that people are suggesting might make *more* money. You simply blindly assume that "companies know best" and that they *must* be pricing their software with good research and logic, so our suggestions must therefore be wrong. Well, history will tell you that is blatantly false. It is filled with companies charging too much (or not enough) for their product and failing because of it. There are also numerous studies done showing the apparent *illogic* of markets, which make pricing stategies very resistant to logical, researched conclusions. For example a study was done showing that a low regular rate for a service was preferable by customers to a seemingly high flat rate, even when the seemingly lower rate actually equated to a higher monthly bill. That seems counterintuitive yet there it is. The market is not always logical, or at least not on the surface, and most companies are really not spending millions on studies of their target market to determine pricing. Maybe MS is, but they're special. :D

Ultimately your approach sounds great in theory Cpilot, as long as you *could* make people do what's "right". Here's the thing: you *can't* make people stop piracy. As long as it is possible - and it will be as long as we are living in the land of the free and home of the brave (I hope you wouldn't suggest infringing our fundamental rights just to stop piracy?) - then people will be pirating. There is no such thing as unbreakable protection, period. The people doing the cracking are generally smarter *and* more numerous than those coming up with the protection schemes. They also have the luxury of time. So sooner or later all protection will fail, and once that happens piracy happens.

Thus what you are proposing is that companies operate with a blind eye toward reality. Create copy protection, even though it doesn't work. Price as if your copy protection worked, even though it doesn't. Essentially the success of your approach relies on the ludicrous concept that people will be more law abiding than they ever have been in history. And you insist on this apparently on the sole basis that companies have the "right" to charge what they want. Well no one is denying them that, so you can stop insisting that they are. What we are saying is that it just might be in a company's best interest to look at the *market reality* - that includes piracy as a *simple fact that cannot be eliminated* - and then price and react accordingly. Piracy exists and will continue to exist, so companies might as well figure out how to work *with* it, how to strike the best balance between minimizing it and not alienating their users. So far they're not doing a great job - see Sony, RIAA lawsuits, etc.

It's amusing to look at the great corporate blunders of history. Most recently I find great amusement in the fact that record companies were afraid of their profits being cut into by piracy, so they paid lots of money to copy protection specialists who created schemes that (surprise!) didn't work, and then they paid lots of money for litigation to stop people from pirating, and *then* they just pissed off their customers. Actually embracing the download of music seemed out of the question. I mean no one *really* wants to download all their music.. do they?

Well, Apple thought they did, and by god they were right. They're making all the record companies look foolish and taking money off the top of every transaction for music they never had anything to do with. They're merely providing a service, and one that the record companies *could* have been providing themselves if they'd had the ability to see beyond their rapidly antiquating business model. But they didn't, because they thought they had the "right" to profits, and that they could do whatever they wanted, whatever was necessary, to ensure that. The market responded and now iTunes is rapidly becoming the single most popular way to get music. Imagine having a single company, formerly unrelated to music at all, suddenly at the top, king of the toll plaza of digital distribution. And it all could have been avoided had music companies taken their heads out their arses and looked around a bit. This story will repeat itself...

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Your monthly reminder - BACK UP YOUR HARD DISK
« Last post by JavaJones on May 31, 2006, 02:27 AM »
Any thoughts on Cobian Backup? (can't believe this guy hasn't gotten his own site yet!) New 8.x version now out in beta. Haven't tried it yet but I've been very impressed with 7.x

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: So, we know who you are, but what do you look like?
« Last post by JavaJones on May 31, 2006, 02:26 AM »
I do hope to see more! It's always nice to put a face with the name. :)

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Structured Procrastination - hahaha
« Last post by JavaJones on May 31, 2006, 02:25 AM »
Great comments app, very insightful! Deadlines are indeed key. I'm struggling with that right now. If you can believe it, one of my bosses is *too* lenient. :P

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Structured Procrastination - hahaha
« Last post by JavaJones on May 31, 2006, 12:27 AM »
lol! Pure genius. Loved the concluding bit:

The observant reader may feel at this point that structured procrastination requires a certain amount of self-deception, since one is in effect constantly perpetrating a pyramid scheme on oneself. Exactly. One needs to be able to recognize and commit oneself to tasks with inflated importance and unreal deadlines, while making oneself feel that they are important and urgent. This is not a problem, because virtually all procrastinators have excellent self-deceptive skills also. And what could be more noble than using one character flaw to offset the bad effects of another?

That last line is priceless.

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Why is so much software cracked?
« Last post by JavaJones on May 31, 2006, 12:21 AM »
lol, sorry Cpilot your hackles are raised needlessly. The fact is piracy happens. Whether or not anyone here pirates software is irrelevent to most any company, so whether anyone is justifying their own use of pirated software doesn't bear on what's important to the company. What *is* relevant, in general, is "the bottom line". I certainly have not intended to propose anything that would endanger a company's bottom line. Rather the opposite in fact.

So, speaking for myself I am looking at it from both sides: how can companies maximize their profits while also minimizing wasted effort, which includes effort wasted on copy protection schemes that in effect provide no more protection than previous schemes. Do you think the Photoshop CS2 activation meant significantly fewer copies were pirated? Considering it was broken in about the same amount of time as previous copy protection I am guessing not. Even if that were the case the better question is did Adobe net more sales because if it? Unless the answer is a categorical yes (very hard to prove - new features in CS2 could attract new customers for example), then it was a waste of time and money for Adobe.

So the question then becomes, if draconian copy protection schemes are not an answer, and piracy is at an unacceptable level, how do you remedy that? One proposed solution could be tiered software pricing based on voluntarily defined usage. Many smaller software developers are already using this model with some evident success. No one is forcing anyone to do anything, it is merely suggested that such an approach might have benefits for all involved - the company included. Think about the potential ramifications in real terms, irrespective of the unconventional nature of the approach. Just because it's different doesn't make it wrong or bad, and just because it's suggested doesn't make it a directive or an expectation.

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Why is so much software cracked?
« Last post by JavaJones on May 30, 2006, 11:40 PM »
Yes Mouser, I'm all for it! I think companies simply can't be bothered to deal with the additional licensing and compliance complexity. But at the same time they'll spend tons of money on elaborate new copy protection schemes. It's rather frustrating! Here they could essentially be accomplishing the same effect, possibly making *more* money, and working essentially for the greater good, yet they would rather choose to spend more money and alienate more of their customers with a new copy protection approach that accomplishes little (Photoshop is still readily cracked as is just about everything else :D).

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Why is so much software cracked?
« Last post by JavaJones on May 30, 2006, 11:12 PM »
I certainly don't think a donation model would work. I *do* think a tiered pricing system would! The commercial vs. home user paradigm should be much more widely adopted. Yes, there are home users who want to use Photoshop but will not be making money off it! I would much rather pay $100-200 or something for Photoshop (normally like $700) and be entitled to updates, support, etc. than use a pirated version. It should not just be confined to academic versions. They could even have tiered support, giving priority to commercial customers. I'd have no problem with that.

"Light" versions of applications don't really do it for me either, not by a long shot. Most of the time if I want a big, expensive app, I want all of it. :D But it's very true that my use of for example Cinema4D is going to be far less intensive and financially lucrative for me than someone using it professionally. Again I would pay 1-$200 for it and be glad of it.

I think what they need to do is look at what the real value of both their applications *and* services are. If they can parcel it out a bit more and make some things optional, maybe it'd be more "ok" to lower the price. I honestly do not *want* Adobe Bridge, at all. So if that's the big new feature they spent a year making for CS2, they can leave it out of my version and just sell me whatever updates there are to the core Photoshop app. I'd never use ImageReady either (I would just use the web bits of Photoshop - my needs are not that demanding for web use), so they can leave that out. Let's forget light versions, just strip out all the extra crap and sell me the core app for less, as a non-commercial user. By agreeing to the license I am as much legally bound to not use the output commercially as a commercial user who only buys one license is to not install it on multiple systems. If you are worried about the non-commercial user making money, then worry about the commercial user also installing more licenses than they should. In reality they shouldn't worry much about either one. Those who will be trustworthy will abide by the rules, those who wouldn't anyway (and would be more prone to piracy) are basically a lost cause.

The library analogy is a really interesting one. A lot of places do now provide online downloadable demos, and more and more they are making them fully featured I think, instead of cutting them down. I got Adobe Audition and it seems to be fully functional. So that's kind of like the "library" approach - you "check it out" (download it), then you have to "return it" (it expires) in x number of days. You can check it out again (uninstall/reinstall, or at most redownloaded - unless the app is really a bugger and you have to hunt down its install key and kill it or similar). If they made this more condoned it might be a good thing. The constant check-out might entice people to buy. That seems like the idea of a demo anyway, it's just supposedly not for longer-term use.

Personally I think the most fair approach would be some kind of micropayments system. It could be done per company/application, or everyone could go through some standard micropayment gateway, or several options of them (let's say - god forbid - Paypal created one for example). The payment gateway would be a separate piece of software you installed on your system and applications that supported it would detect it and hook in. Then for every say hour you used Photoshop it would charge you $1 or 10 cents or whatever. At the least it would make the actual price a whole lot more bearable by spreading it out over a long time. It would also net *new* income from those who don't actually need to own Photoshop but definitely need it for one or two things here and there, or just for this one thing *right now*. Of course we all know the issues with such systems and why they haven't been done before, but it's still an interesting theoretical approach anyway. It seems quite appealing to me.

The point about "leading by example" in schools, etc. is a very interesting one too. I agree that this can be "setting a bad example" in that it makes people desire expensive software. There's nothing really wrong with using commercial, expensive software provided A: it gets the job done noticeably better/faster/easier than a free/OS alternative and B: it fits within the institution's budget. However at the least the free/OS alternatives should be made aware to students. I do work in an educational institution as the Technical Coordinator and although I don't interact with students much, I am definitely trying to make the move to free/OS software. I have spent years finding the best free/OS programs (this place has helped a lot of late, too), so I have a good stockpile. Now that I'm working for a single company I have to make sure the license allows for corporate use - being an educational institution *and* a non-profit definitely makes that easier. In many cases I've needed to contact authors to get a precise answer on licensing terms. In most cases I am given the ok to use it, which is great. We now use Open Office and Thunderbird on a number of machines and I'm working toward moving to Firefox as well. We use Tugzip or Zipgenius, Foxit PDF Reader, XnView, etc. And notably all of them are vastly superior tools to what was being used before! The point anyway is that using free/OS software doesn't have to be a sacrifice. It's a genuine alternative and it can actually improve productivity and capability.

Btw, having recently tried Sound Forge to work on an audio problem I have, I actually would far rather use Audacity! Audicaty is way faster, believe it or not. :D I intend to post a thread about that soon (speed of commercial apps vs. free/OS, specifically in media editing). The point though is that the commercial product is *not* always superior! There is Kristal and Reaper as well for multi-track editing, both seem to do what they do very well, possibly as well as Adobe Audition/Sound Forge/etc. I think in certain market segments there are free/OS alternatives that are genuine competitors. This is not true in all areas, and it probably has something to do with how unusual the UI is, how readily copyable an existing product's UI/approach is, etc. I think good, original UI design is not the strength of free/OS software, in most cases. :D Cross-platform needs also play heavily into open source issues. The Gimp is as clunky as it is partly because Windows is not its native platform. ;) There are a number of freeware paint apps that are much nicer though, like Photofiltre, Paint.NET, etc.

- Oshyan
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He makes a lot of valid and interesting points, but his tone and perspective also seem firmly rooted in a hardline individualist approach, embittered by a loss of status in relation to these collective opinion aggregators and methods on the rise. What is needed is balance, but we humans aren't real good at that. Relying on an elite cadre of consultants and trailblazers is no more sane though, IMO.

The article is definitely worth a read either way, and again I do agree with a number of things he says. I suppose I would just say that I don't necessarily agree with his thesis, merely many of his points and supporting arguments. I don't think they necessarily paint the same whole picture that he does though.

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: So, we know who you are, but what do you look like?
« Last post by JavaJones on May 30, 2006, 10:33 PM »
Hmm, won't let me just do an empty message with an image. So you get this exciting text! :D
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General Software Discussion / Re: Why is so much software cracked?
« Last post by JavaJones on May 28, 2006, 11:26 PM »
First, I think the title of this may be a bit misleading. "Why is software cracked? is a different question from "Why is software pirated?, the former implying more to do with the actual reason for defeating copy protection in the first place and hence having more to do with the motivations of those doing the cracking, rather than the "end user". For the crackers I think the motivation is much more about challenge, victory, feeling clever, and notoriety. I doubt most crackers use many of the apps they crack. So that seems fairly simple and has little to do with the market, except that higher priced and more desirable software is more desirable to crack.

The end user side of things seems a bit more complicated. You could say it is due simply to price; surely not many people pirate something they don't need or want, and if you need/want something then it has *some* value. Yet I have experienced first-hand the drive to collect, irrespective of the value of the software itself to my own needs. I have done this with freeware! The allure of collecting can't be dismissed. Still, I think it is a small part of the pirating population who are collectors, comparatively speaking. Many people don't even know they're "pirates" or that what they're doing is really wrong. It's not necessarily willful ignorance, they just don't think about it. I have seen so many people casually asking their neighbor, roommate, school chum, etc. to install Office, Photoshop, etc. on their machine, and they think nothing of it.

Getting back to the point, money definitely plays a key role. I think a fundamental problem of the industry though is that value of a piece of software is not consistent for everyone, yet the price charged is almost invariably the same. If there were a way to reliably measure someone's need and likely use - their price ceiling - then that would help a lot. As it is software developers theoretically charge what the market will bear. Where this gets tricky is developers, publishers, or lobby groups assuming that every pirated copy is a lost sale. This is an assumption in the music industry, film industry, software industry, etc, etc. and it is fundamentally flawed.

You could never lower prices to the point where everyone who pirates a piece of software would buy it, but you could get close. At a certain point you reach the point of diminishing returns. That is theoretically where every publisher should aim their pricing. I do think most publishers aim higher than that however. Imagine if Photoshop was half the cost - if they got twice as many purchasers (and they might), they would make the same amount of money, *and* they would have a larger market share. It's even possible they could make more money by more than doubling their market.

There are a number of theoretical "sweet spots" for pricing, and price barriers that supposedly signal the difference between a casual purchase and a major one that deserves more thought and care. This too is different for everyone, but there are general levels that are fairly agreed upon. I think the $100 barrier is one; there are many others. A smart publisher will price their software just under one of these barriers, if possible. This is usually the reason for something costing $299 instead of $300, of course. Surprisingly, as much as people intellectually see through that trick, they still subconsciously tend to fall victim to it.

In any case I think as a fundamental statement it's easy to agree that the biggest reason people pirate something is monetary. They don't feel the asking price is worth it for their use and need. But it gets more complex because of the things discussed above, and much more. Individual value judgments (to some people almost *nothing* is worth $600), individual financial means, etc, etc.

Interesting question. A pity no one is probably studying it but the BSA (and there "study" is probably a loose term). But I imagine there is a lot of general market research out there that is applicable to this at least.

- Oshyan
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DonationCoder Projects / Re: Flat File Mini CMS in PHP
« Last post by JavaJones on May 28, 2006, 11:02 PM »
This sounds a lot like a CMS a friend of mine is working on in his spare time. I'll send him to this thread next time I see him. :)

- Oshyan
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Ooo, very cool site! Great resource for one of my other passions: gaming and game development. :)

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Thread for time-wasting flash games.
« Last post by JavaJones on May 27, 2006, 10:35 PM »
Gridwars is very cool! And yes, very beautiful. Nice find. :)

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: Thread for time-wasting flash games.
« Last post by JavaJones on May 27, 2006, 04:18 PM »
Not quite a game, but definitely a time waster! I really enjoyed this one. Could be endless photo exploration fun, if you're so inclined.

http://interact10way...tion_interactive.htm

- Oshyan
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America has no problem with monopolies. We've had many over the years that have stuck around for eons. We just don't like it when they're "abused". Google can be a monopoly as long as it wants, as long as it doesn't use strong-arm tactics against its rivals due to its position. :D

- Oshyan
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Hmm, I think the list catalogs combinations of success/notoriety vs. poor technology/bad business practices. In other words "stuff that should never have been a success". Maybe the name of the list is just wrong. ;) I mean yes we can all agree there have been worse "tech products" - any genuine spyware qualifies admirably. But I think I get what they're aiming for here and given that I don't think the list is that bad. Sure it's a bit knee-jerk and based on "one side of the story", but I think there's a reason AOL and RealPlayer have the reputations that they do. They earned them. And the article goes into specific reasons why, which I think are pretty much all valid.

They do also give a bit of "credit where it's due": "To be fair, RealNetworks deserves credit for offering a free media player and for hanging in there against Microsoft's relentless onslaught. We appreciate the fact that there's an alternative to Windows Media Player; we just wish it were a better one." or "To its credit, Me introduced features later made popular by Windows XP, such as system restore. Unfortunately, it could also restore files you never wanted to see again, like viruses that you'd just deleted." Even though it's a bit of a booby prize. ;) They even acknowledge exactly what Jazper pointed out - IE's vulnerabilities are so well-known in part because of its popularity.

I do think the article is a bit heavy on the mindless MS bashing and that probably exposes the true mindset and perspective of the authors. But hyperbole notwithstanding their list is again not that far off IMO, given the right criteria at least. What I mean by that is for example AOL being above Bob - well, AOL had more success and a wider reach, so if it is to be considered a "worst tech product" it is worse by the fact that it succeeded more. That seems to be the general approach they're taking and I don't really disagree with it. Perhaps the list could have been named "The 25 tech products that were most succesful in spite of themselves" or something. :D

It does seem like they're scraping the barrel for good ones after the top 10 though - maybe some of those could have been replaced with more notables like Gator. Then again it seems like they're trying at the same time to back up their "25 years covering the PC industry" claim by putting some of the older stuff on there.

Btw re: RealPlayer and its "accomplishments" - remember that they're targetting RealPlayer, not the format and not the company. ;) Yes Real pioneered some good streaming video/audio tech. But the player was always awful and the fact that it was proprietary was part of its big problem. So even though the tech may have been great, it was tied to something that wasn't great, just like so many other company's products. Ultimately a mixed bag at best. Fortunately you don't need RealPlayer to play Real content these days.

- Oshyan
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Never trust webmail. :D

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Vista, Up Close and Personal
« Last post by JavaJones on May 26, 2006, 02:31 PM »
WinFS is coming as an upgrade to Vista "shortly after release" (or "a while after release" depending on who you talk to). I didn't mean to imply it would still be a part of Vista's initial release.

In any case I would like to say that, although my feelings above are still valid, I realize also that a lot of the things I like about Opera and software that is designed with similar intelligence are the "little things" that you really only experience when you actually use the thing. Vista may very well have such things that just aren't being pointed out by anyone. We all get access to the beta soon and I'm certainly going to take a gander. So we'll see how that pans out. Maybe anyone who decides to take a look can contribute to one big mini-review thread. :)

- Oshyan
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After using Opera and FF I too thought of this idea. However I thought it might be a bit too easy to accidentally close things. I think it's worth coding it up to see how well it would work, but the accidental closing of useful windows does concern me. In a browser, especially Opera, I can just use the "undo"/history button and it can easily re-open a window with just about everything I was doing (including previously visited pages). That would be a lot harder to do with applications. Of course with any application that had unsaved data it would surely send up the normal "do you want to save before exiting?" prompt, so it couldn't be *too* dangerous.

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: Vista, Up Close and Personal
« Last post by JavaJones on May 26, 2006, 03:29 AM »
Looks nice, but really it still sounds like an incremental upgrade. Like some kind of new tools suite that could have been tacked onto XP if desired. Hell I have 90% of this stuff already - a better process manager, good security, virtualization, tabbed browsing, arbitrary file searching, yadda yadda. Sure it's nice to have some of that bundled into the OS, but I really feel like MS should have been focusing on deeper core stuff. The new user management and networking stuff sounds like it has potential and hopefully it'll help guide people toward better security, but for my own use I had no problem with the existing system and have rarely, if ever, had security issues. So it kind of feels like a lot of these features weren't aimed at me. Maybe at my customers though - it *would* be nice to get fewer calls about awful spyware invasions. :D

Anyway, I'm always torn on this stuff. I actually feel that starting with Win2k MS has really had a solid OS on their hands. Some of the changes in XP actually really annoyed me, like the *terrible* new Start menu. So on the one hand I want a lot of stuff to stay the same. Win2k and XP are stable, so that should be kept, and improved on if possible of course. The theme of the UI? Yeah no thanks, I didn't need changes there. First thing I do when I install XP is turn the themes *off*. But I understand this was desirable for marketing and the average user (even though sys requirements will be high, hehe). But I digress. Essentially in one way I'm a conservative when it comes to OS changes, but on the other hand I am super excited about WinFS and would really have liked to see even more fundamental, progressive changes to the OS. So I guess I want to have my cake and eat it too - take everything that's great about 2k and XP then build on it, extend it.

I think what I'd really like is to see an OS that feels to me as intelligently designed as an application like Opera does. An OS that appears to know the best way to do things already, without me having to tell it. An OS that anticipates my moves and makes all my work faster. That was probably some other previous OS that failed, like Amiga, BeOS, NeXT, or something, and I haven't tried any of those. It's just a shame that kind of innovation isn't what's driving the *success* of Windows. OS X *does* seem to be introducing stuff like that fairly frequently though and it drives me nuts. I won't go into why I simply *can't* switch over to OS X here, but just trust that my reasons are legitimate and not out of random prejudice. :D

- Oshyan
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Sounds right on target to me. :)

Speaking of the CMS progress, what's the current direction on that?

- Oshyan
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General Software Discussion / Re: TaskPilot for task management?
« Last post by JavaJones on May 24, 2006, 08:22 PM »
I installed MyLifeOrganized a month or so back but I haven't been organized enough to try it yet. How's that for irony? ;) It looks/sounds extremely, extremely promising though. I really like the idea of it automatically prioritizing tasks and it seems to have a very good foundational concept in that it's trying to remove extraneous tasks from your list so you avoid task overload.

- Oshyan
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Living Room / Re: How -- and why -- do you use different browsers?
« Last post by JavaJones on May 24, 2006, 12:34 PM »
Hehe, thanks guys. Well, I'd love to do a mini review but I definitely don't consider the above to be one. If I were to do it properly I'd surely have to remember some of those other features I love. ;) "Paste and go" is one of them I did remember after posting (also available as an FF extension). I think the bottom line is that FF is great, I love the extensibility, but even assuming Opera and FF started on an equal footing (as far as memory use and speed, which they don't), it would still take far too many extensions for FF to equal the important functionality in Opera. And I don't even think all that functionality *is* available as extensions. Granted however that some functionality I might like is available for FF and not Opera, but that is by far the exception rather than the rule.

As I said in IRC last night I would rather have an app that works fantastically and "right" for me out of the box than one that doesn't but that is highly customizable. Given the choice I'd rather someone else do the work of coming up with an efficient system and if they're good at their jobs (and the Opera folks seem to be), then they'll do it well enough that the majority of people will be well served by it.

In any case I've already got a mini-review of PDF readers on my to-do list. I'll try to do an Opera and/or general browser one soon too.

- Oshyan
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