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Living Room / Re: Don't be a free user?
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 16, 2011, 12:17 AM »
Well that's the thing that makes it efficient. You never know whether the statistic is true or not.

The best marketing tricks don't involve creating lies. They involve tweaking truths.

Unless you're a major entity like a government, transparency comes when a crowd of doubters asks for the information and you give it to them.

...or reverse: Let's say a flaw was found in your service that could provide a vulnerability and instead of just disclosing it later and then letting your fanbase say transparency, you go beyond what you should reveal to instigate that trust across a board of skeptics or even zero skeptics. (Basically do the opposite of marketing, risk ridicule when things go bad)

Everything else could be there for a reason. But again, I emphasize that my post shouldn't be perceived as anything but a general warning. Pinboard is a well reputed social bookmarking service if not the only well reputed social bookmarking service that is completely reputable when it comes to longevity. I have never heard/read anything bad about the service. Not even sudden feature changes or service ownership rumor like with services such as delicious or Diigo. You could even see it in the main webpage design. Nothing flashy. Just a straight direct invitation to sign up. I could be misinformed of course but as far as I know, there is no other social bookmarking service that has the same rep as pinboard when it comes to signing up with cash.
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Living Room / Re: Don't be a free user?
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 16, 2011, 12:13 AM »
That's not really that rare. Many internet marketing blogs did that. (Some internet marketing scams continue to do that) It's a linkbait and trustbait tactic. (or envybait... meh... I don't know the official term but it's basically a way to send the message to people that your service is trustworthy enough to shell out cash for)

Pinboard is rare only in that they're offering an actual service rather than a scam but the marketing tactic by itself is common especially when it comes to paid services.

There's nothing "real" about it though. I apologize if I come off sounding antagonistic. I'm no more doing what IainB was doing in the CNET Downloader topic which is just to show and warn of obvious marketing schemes that I know of. Pinboard is not any way wrong for doing this, it's just that it shouldn't be used as a metric for "being real".
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Living Room / MMA Pokemon Evolution Thread
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 16, 2011, 12:04 AM »
Source: http://www.sherdog.n...tion-thread-1930667/

Cherry picked pics: (these are all different people/blanket is an inside MMA joke)

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Living Room / Re: Don't be a free user?
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 15, 2011, 11:15 PM »
I think the problem with that lesson is humanity is inherently lazy/busy and payment is not always based on rationality. (I apologize if I kind of am repeating myself)

As an author, they can change from whim to whim. It's like a woman saying she's not a hooker but then offered a huge sum of money. Will they or won't they become a hooker? Transparency is not that rewarding also. If you're a small service, no one cares. If you're a popular service, then the subject is moot as leverage for donations becomes your side. Neither really teaches about sustainability.

As a user, people can't expect to be taught from a simple advise. There's also so many free services out there that it's impossible to not get hooked by the excitement of a new service. It doesn't help that neither articles nor forums often write about a long term sustainability plan that a viewer can just read and satisfy themselves with. It's also unfair to the users as they don't all know how to work software backup commands. It's like saying I should be expected to manually update my AV. Good advise but then what else do I have to manually take into consideration?

This isn't to say that the lesson you took for yourself is wrong mouser. I'm not that self-absorbed. I just think we have to think of the victims and give them something they can use. Platitudes sound good but paradigm shifts keep history from repeating itself exactly like it was in the past. That said, I don't know of any solution. Authors will do what they want. Often times it's then left to the users to deal with it. Dumb users are the ones always burned and the cycle will continue unless someone gives a helpdesk hotline for their software or create an attempt to secure your faith in their services. If this is the case though then it's back to the author and despite many authors having done this, many authors have not and many people that aren't victims don't address it as something urgent on their part. It's just vicious and unfortunate but that's life.

It's not even just limited to software. Just see every "king's plane" concept in the real world from bosses to government officials to teachers to parents. It's easy to say plan for the long term but many don't know how. Many aren't taught how. Many who know a little bit keep it to themselves or cave into the difficulty of constantly making the effort and many who don't know the right people can't develop the right habits because there's little standardized guides out there. Just look at Linux for example. People eventually stop supporting old versions and no matter how many new versions come out, you rarely see an improvement in the distribution and presentation of manuals that would help people troubleshoot anything. Instead, what you have is the software equivalent of disaster donations after a hurricane or a tsunami.

People will band together to create more active forums. People will create blogs. Competitors will create features that make data importation available. Yet you rarely see the act of redemption come from the authors themselves. Dumb users equally rarely see a lesson besides being burned. Instead whatever help they get is received from fellow burned users like them that are smarter. As a cycle, people simply build themselves up as refugees and those who don't want to be refugees are forced to be because they can't do much about it. Certain aspects like user interface familiarity are taken for granted by smart users because they can adapt to different advanced interfaces (even ones they interpret as easy to understand) and in the end nothing is really sustained. Adoption of close copies of clones in features maybe but dumb users rarely get the whole familiarity pie and with that comes zero progress except migration after migration or settlement. Luck in the end becomes a more important lesson because then some people smarten up. Some people becoming pessimistic. Some people joining groups that suddenly prosper. Some people drop out which creates additional demand from new authors to make their products more appealing. 
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General Software Discussion / Re: CNET Download Installer Changes
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 15, 2011, 09:18 PM »
I think the fruit would be good news. If CNET becomes popular, developers would have an OpenCandy alternative that doesn't have negative stigma attached to it.

If CNET does not, it gives opportunities for new websites to work on alternative download installers as it brings the buzz back on download managers.

Example, I've always like the FileHippo Download Installer but since you can't annotate old versions, sometimes you don't remember which exact old version you really preferred and you end up not being able to share that with a community.

The two examples that come to mind are Opera and utorrent. Two updates that make the program worse (Opera in terms of many tab handling) and (utorrent in terms of interface) and unless you read up on past comments and then take them into memory, you won't know which old version to install for your needs at a surface's glance.
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GrabMyBooks have been mentioned once here before but since there's no extensive review and many don't seem to care for it despite certain prominent blogs having written about it, I thought for the sake of those who might care I'd write something less about introducing the service and more from the perspective of someone who actually gave some time to using it who is at the same time new if not ignorant and disinterested of epubs in general.

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For this reason, I'm not going to opt for the mini-review template. I feel considering the unpopularity of GrabMyBook (based on web content written for it, not actual users) relative to it's utility (which I consider to be extremely high) then traditional reviewing won't work. Of course I don't expect my writing style to be appealing but hopefully it can provide something alternative for those on the fence or don't realize that this is exactly what they were searching for all along.

The most important thing to understand about GrabMyBook is that you have to enjoy and understand that there's already a very cheap e-ink e-book reader out there. Not the discount Kindles or "cheaper from the original price" readers. The reader is called Kobo reader and I'm not talking about the Wi-Fi version or the touch version of the Reader which is priced around the same value as the Kindle. I'm talking about the first Kobo e-reader whose price is way way way below that of even the cheapest e-readers with the added benefit that it actually is not a touch screen and have a simple easy to understand button. (Yes 1 button besides the power button with 4 sidebar buttons that you will barely notice is there because it doesn't actually do any major feature which can lead to accidental clicks.)

It's important to know this because price nor features should not be your main concern when wanting to use this Firefox add-on otherwise it will only lead to SEVERE frustration.

Severe frustration in that e-book formats are nothing special in general especially on a non-e-ink screen. It just strips away the text and for the most part, unless you're tech intelligent, all epubs tangibly add is a table of contents and makes it more manageable in Calibre. It's nothing special unless you encounter an e-reader that can't read or format your text. It's way worse in desktops with Firefox add-ons such as EpubReader only giving you the same frustrations and eyesore as a PDF reader.

NO! To enjoy epubs you have to actually acquire an e-ink ereader and treat e-ink as comparable as buying a new monitor that supports a refresh rate of 75 hertz and above because that 60 hertz monitor actually causes you to have headaches and prevents you from reading more webtext than you normally can. It is for those with sensitive eyes who really want to read more not less

This perspective is extra-important because the target market for e-readers are spoiled. At first I thought the reason why e-ink readers are not only overpriced but also look complicated is because the manufacturers intentionally want to add feature creep as part of a business model where they entice you that it's worth it because you get cheap discounted e-books in return.

Turns out, after reading why some people consider the first Kobo beta while treating recent readers like Kindle bang for the buck, I realized that the userbase is just as fault. I don't mean to paint them as very spoiled. When the Kobo was first realized, it had a lot of problems. So much so that the e-reading community provided a firmware before the actual company. At the same time, I can't help but remark that after the first Kobo became more stable, buzz for it simply dropped off. The search for a cheap e-ink reader that does only the works disappeared.

It turns out people who claim they only wanted a cheap e-ink reader turned out to be people who wanted faster page flips (e-ink has a delay with switching pages where newer versions have faster page flips), annotations, touch screens, wi-fi, etc. etc.

If you're this type of person, GrabMyBook may not be for you as it is basically a text only notetaker that sends your notes to e-ink for better reading

There is no annotation. There is no special formatting. There is no images except for the cover. It is basically right click:

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It then pops out a preview screen that asks you whether you want to go to your MyBooks page (extension screen inside Firefox) to edit the text or to close the pop-up box. (A large long lasting pop-up box. Not those pansy small update notifications that make you race to your mouse to click them.)

Once done there's nothing magical that needs to be done. Go to your MyBooks page and then click Grab My Books and it's a better rephrased way of saying "Save as Epub". Save it to your Kobo Reader and then you're done.

Why is this great?

Services like dotepub are great if not easier to convert html to epubs and make it easier to spot that it's a converted epub and not a book or an accidental .txt (Not really hard to decipher on an e-ink reader but it's still cool to see the dotepub covers and disclaimers. Makes your page seem more authentic especially when you put your Kobo to sleep and it shows the cover.)

The problem with web converters is that something always goes wrong. It could be the page could not capture a reddit page full of comments or it's a blog full of pictures.

This is why I've never used the feed feature of GrabMyBook. It sounds cool but then how certain are you that you're not just going to end up editting a bunch of unnecessary stuff?

Copy. Paste. Read. Few to no complications.

This is what makes GrabMyBooks great. Since it's a notepad, you don't have to familiarize yourself with anything. You may not even get the actual program except for the fact that it makes epub creation (something that's complex) into a simple process; but because it's just a notepad you don't have to. The right click above? More trouble than it's worth. I just select all and copy paste the text directly. Rare chance I use it is to simply autocopy the web url and page title.

Why it's not so great

Despite this simplicity, you have to come in it with a perspective that you're just switching monitors. E-ink to you has to be something that simply makes you read more rather than an e-reader. It's simply a monitor that's why you're getting the cheapest bare bones hardware

In fact I don't even treat it as an e-reader. I constantly use it as a habit training to teach me to save articles and then read them both in my desktop monitor and on the Kobo. It's basically Read Me Later or Instapaper that actually works for me. No offense to those services but stripping text and changing fonts don't really make the texts less sensitive to my eyes.

But if you're rich or that e-ink reader seems pricier than simply acquiring a monitor, GrabMyBooks fail because you're expecting more from your E-reader already. By virtue of expecting more from your e-reader, you end up expecting more from GrabMyBooks extension.

An example of this is annotation and highlights. Instead of turning a page into an epub, you'd be more concerned of turning it into a html/pdf hybrid format. Suddenly the limitations of both GrabMyBooks and the Kobo Reader occurs.

I can only surmise that this is what happend with GrabMyBookStore.com.

You see the screenshot above? You can upload your epubs there but I tried downloading that book and it stopped at 70%.

I haven't tried uploading my own book but I try to clip multiple pages from different sites.

This is the second problem with GrabMyBooks. Other social curation services gives you a chance to edit your collection. Hell, most e-reader users use Calibre to manage their e-books. I don't. It confuses me and I only use it to convert formats.

Well...GrabMyBooks is worse. It actually gives you the option and incentive to organize your texts but there's no tags nor can you create separate epubs. (Maybe in the beta version of the add-on but I haven't tried it since I'm using the stable version.)

What it basically does is give you a textbox where metadata lets you write a title and a description and type in the language. Organization is based on choosing which article becomes first or second in the final converted epub.

Worse, to my experience, file recovery is sporadic. If you close Firefox, sometimes you lose the old loaded files and sometimes you recover them. You have to be sure you export them as epub so that you can load them in the future.

You're literally forced to do your editing on whatever feature your e-reader allows unless you're using a more complicated tool like Calibre or know how to utilize xpaths in order for GrabMyBooks to be an automagic dream come true.

The thing is, if you did have a Kobo 1, you'd know Kobo's interface has the same problems. You basically have an alphabetized library of e-books that's slow to switch pages and even if you add epubs, it takes a longer than usual progress meter before you can actually use your Kobo.

In fact, given enough books, Kobo 1 becomes unmanageable as a book library. You literally have to rely on your home button which shows only the latest inserted e-books along with your last opened/last read e-books. Worse, the home button has a bias towards Kobobooks so let's say you are reading 75% of your GrabMyBooks epub...well...that will be in the 2nd place spot over the 0% opened Kobobook. It's a down button to opening GrabMyBooks but because of the slowness of the interface, it gets annoying.

All these seems worse than described when you first acquire the reader but once you opened a couple of pages and e-ink really works wonders for you then it's an irreplaceable monitor. Read alongside the desktop then it's even less of a headache. No images on the epub? Forget about it. Glance a moment at the non-e-ink monitor then go back to Kobo. Kobo doesn't support bookmarks? Use some highlighter on the actual clipped webpage like Scrapbook for example.

That's the beauty of this program for me. The less I know, the more I benefit from this program rather than the opposite. It's just rare to see programs like these anymore. Eventually it's going to improve and maybe satisfy people with more needs but right now it has turned my e-ink reader into a workable dual monitor for certain needs especially mass reading at a plug and play level.

https://addons.mozil...x/addon/grabmybooks/

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https://addons.mozil...x/addon/grabmybooks/
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Living Room / Re: Don't be a free user?
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 15, 2011, 04:50 PM »
Just to throw a curveball, I think the mice besides the elephant is not only the question of whether someone can carry the torch but whether open source can synch itself with the necessity of the volunteers.

Sustainability is good IF it attracts enough buzz which in turn attracts enough supporters but I think long term, we are more apt to see people strive to learn and aim to support something they perceive as necessity rather than sustainable.

And the one good thing about consumerism is that it tricks the mind into making non-necessary concepts into emotional necessities. That's why one is more likely to spot and acquire emulators for old games and consoles than they are to acquire old ports of old non-gaming programs. We could even extend it to mods and add-ons. Barring browsers, most (even those with plugin supported programs) lose to the buzz and sweet taste of a new user interface program where as games can last for longer generations with the existence of mods. Of course at the same time, videogames lose far more hype and short term usage to things such as sequels and copycat games.

On the issue of money, I think it's more important to insert fiat currency when comparing it with time in this context. That is to say, instead of asking whether there is free lunch, it's better to ask it from the perspective of how your lunch is paid because as both fiat currency and time can attest, both values shift depending on timing, corruption creating distrust, update model, etc.

This in turn makes it necessary for a developer to gather enough support to create an "identity" (a circle of loyal pseudo-guaranteed contributors) before people lose interest or before potential contributors perceive it as old or a flawed model. What this means is that the author is partly correct. By focusing on monetary concerns, you increase the chance of viewing it like a business in which there's a higher potential of loss, disillusion, etc. from setting that path than self-fulfillment unless one develops manic obsession for their products.

At the same time, it's not really money or making a living that drives people to create something. It's really a mix of many things from ego, to compulsion, to art, to curiosity, to capability, to ease, to desire for improvement, to keys to learning, etc. Many partially born out to be made rather than sustainable. Even more becoming popular because of a perceived pseudo-necessity that flutter out. (Digital to-do lists for example where people search for them but few are really in search for them which causes old to-do list services to never make people switch to newer to-do list services unless a new criteria like the surge in Androids and Iphones enter the equation and even then, it's not always a switch to a superior service.)

...but the above IMO is unhelpful. I'm only throwing a pebble to what I perceive as thoughts that maybe the speakers are not considering though I don't consider myself more informed or smarter than they are.

Instead my own opinion of the matter (and I apologize if I switch to a vanity voice wherein I come off talking to myself) is that dumb users shouldn't be free users.

(I'm trying to snip some of the things I've written in my draft for my blog on productivity and I apologize if the below overlaps with that subject)

The worst regression however is the lack of defense against the glorification of tools.

While more talented people can afford being trapped in these elements of aesthetics that may hamper them from getting “it” but could potentially boost their productivity by making them slightly more motivated, untalented people while receiving the same benefits are also exposed to the more harmful rays of mindset morphing. One that creates a deadly unproductivity filter on top of every productivity system they have.

And those rays involve being led to rely on your productivity system – even when said systems are based around more bland objects like ordinary notebooks.

There’s really no one way to detect this decay but even talented productivity system users get a whiff of this layer from time to time.

At the most obvious and often mentioned level, you will often read about people preferring paper to software because they couldn’t bring the software to work or people who couldn’t afford shelling out cash for filing cabinets opting to use slimmer alternatives.

What is rarely mentioned are the deeper, more subtle, more long term versions of this event.

Just as so called “mystical” martial arts gain wide spread hype only to fall back into obscurity once they’ve been debunked as flawed or fake, the best short term successful concepts of productivity systems are often shared and known by almost everybody who pretty much skim productivity blogs on a regular basis – however the consequences from flawed productivity systems and the victims who fail to make those productivity systems work are rarely mentioned in detail ever again.

The warning systems are simply rarely discussed outside of the occasional experiment on how positive words actually make things worse for negative people or how stating your goals out loud to acquaintances severely reduces the chance of you accomplishing them.

For this particular topic, the warning systems are worse for cloud services because often times even if you can view the number of members without knowledge of any web analytics, you never know when you are truly early or truly late to a service.

You are also never protected from being there just at the right time as pinboard attests to with popular services. What the writer omits is that pinboard is an exception not a rule. Pinboard's circumstances makes paying a feature. An additional backup security feature to be precise. The thing with these kind of circumstance is that it needs "existence".

Existence being members who understand what they are paying for. Services with a reputation. Concepts that over time because of the decay of other concepts gives value to the price that a certain service is offering. Basically it's like any concept in the real world. New product that you can't associate with? Consumer doubt. New product that you can and who has a more stable brand? Consumer purchase.

The problem here is that even stable services change and stagnate. Once they stagnate, the only real question is whether the service is in the pendulum swinging towards users leaving your site or users staying with your site. It is somewhat worse with desktop. Users staying with desktop tools rarely talk about them after a certain point. This cuts off newbie internet users. Cloud services on the other hand create this mystique. This "exclusive" club. That makes pinboard's situation extra-special.

This wouldn’t be horrible if it wasn’t for the fact that untalented people are basically being trained to ease their learned helplessness by replacing it via relying on methods that if they fail, would just leave another layer of learned helplessness on top of a set of additional crippling situations.

For productivity, I was trying to phrase app's situation in a more general manner.

For desktop tools and cloud services though, it applies more towards how you deal with which service you are shelling out cash to.

Basically it's stupid to teach people to demand a free service to become paid for so that it guarantees that the service will stay. It's a con strategy. The users don't actually gain any literacy to which service will last which service will not. Even the article pretty much admits you have to possess insight into the business model mindset of the maker.

This doesn't mean the author has malicious intentions but they're writing from the hindsight that certain cherry picked competitors failed and they're omitting to provide the detail for why they...managed to use your money correctly.

I sort of labelled this process as "crippled thought process" as can be seen in my copy paste below but it expands towards productivity so just skip it if you don't like reading:

What is even worse (besides the fact that productivity experimenters are rarely handed a way to reverse their mindset in case of failure) is the fact that helplessness isn’t even the worst case effect.

Rather crippled thought process is. I don’t mean to make this sound so horrible but put yourself in a situation where…you start to have an idea (maybe something you should do) and suddenly a wall covers that idea. Not a mental block but a thought habit that tells you that you should write this down.

The habit itself is good but what if by repeatedly going through that habit, you can’t filter out what your brain wants to keep? (including expanding on that thought before writing things down.)

It’s not a set in stone mindset but it can almost feel that way for an untalented person because they are not only juggling with which notebook to write things down but if the system is a flawed method: it’s not a simple case of shrugging off the idea, regaining your self-esteem by achieving something and then moving on.

You’re basically trapped in a mindset where you have to consistently remind your brain that something like a to-do list doesn’t work so you should immediately drop off on making a to-do list for that idea and then reminding yourself that your list that includes such minor things as your grocery list doesn’t have the weight of your dreams behind it and that you can actually do the items underneath them. They don’t need to be further made actionable, they don’t need to have icons and symbols, they don’t need to be put in context – most importantly, they don’t need to be put on paper.

That last part is the most important because one of the more revolutionary aspects of Getting Things Done is this context of @ and even today it’s so under-mentioned that you could be forgiven to think that it’s just a similar generic “visual” symbol like all the others or even misinterpret the idea of contexts (in GTD terms) for categories (like the folders in your Windows Operating System).

In actuality, @ at least attempts to address the issue of un-sticking your mindset from the letters in your to-do list. It’s flawed in that you are not only suppose to rely even more on your to-do list but you have to bring that to-do list with you whenever you go into a certain place and review that list on that exact place so that you can be reminded best of everything you need to accomplish in that place and only in that place.

In practice, this only works so well if you can train yourself to have a to-do list for each set of location and individual. A sort of social and geographic contemplation on top of a normal date based reminder. All of course being written and reviewed within the GTD system and being recorded on a portable object be it paper or mobile.

Untalented people though need more.

Just as karate may work well in a street fight if you have reached an elite level of combat superiority versus your opponent but at the same time fail more often than not if you are just slightly inferior in skill to the elites, the methodology of going beyond mere folders and tree lists are only notable in that it can bring you closer to getting “it” rather than being tricked into the same old way of making to-do lists but with a newer set of paint behind utilizing one.

Fortunately and unfortunately for untalented people, reaching this realization isn’t enough to make for a productive system. Unfortunate because even with this insufficiency, it’s still something that can help get you closer to improving your own understanding of productivity if only it was mentioned and clarified more rather than being shoe horned into a generic symbol in front of any type of system that claims to host GTD within it. (The most common of course are to-do list software and to-do list users who just recommend adding @ in the beginning of every category.)

Why do I say it is insufficient?

First off, it assumes you can always plan ahead and make to-do lists for most areas and entities. However not all people are salesmen or territory managers that have a predefined list of people that they have to deal with.

More importantly however is that even if this were the case …the untalented individual cannot pull this off.

The untalented individual is often distracted like an unathletic karate newbie enrolled in a mcdojo. For one thing, they are not sure they are being taught correctly. However, they are also not sure they know what the correct manner of teaching is. Worse, their doubts may not be fully answered when they see more athletic students pull things through.

It takes not only a paradigm shift but near to the best training staff mixed with great personnel chemistry to turn the untalented individual into a real bonafide well aware fighter. Even then there is no guarantee that the individual would be a successful street inhabitant versus merely becoming a point fighter or a self-defender that can protect you from the average thug but would be useless in a boxer rebellion type of defense.

This is the reality for untalented people. There’s a good chance that determination will merely glue them to something that is perceived as success maybe even one of a kind – but there’s an even greater chance that despite all this they are simply setting the superior slave drivers to reaching new heights. Sort of like a more complex and accidentally formed outsourcing sum effect only with the guarantee that the untalented will never reach the same success level of the best even if they defy all odds. (Although this isn’t to mean that the untalented cannot reach the level of the elites especially those untalented who strive the hardest with the most flexible approach whom address problems in a most deliberate manner.)

Mixing Productivity Martial Arts

Therefore what a productivity system aimed at an untalented individual needs to achieve is first create the same stem of relying on their paper or software (or something else) and then destroying that link while retaining the fundamentals of that system.

Like the goal of becoming a GTD black belt in which an individual is supposed to be able to subconsciously apply GTD into everything including every context of every problematic situation, the goal for an untalented productivity system is to hold those elements but assume the wielder will do something to ruin those elements.

It could be anything from:

  • losing your todo list
  • forgetting to print out your tasks
  • being afraid to look at your list
  • over-stuffing your unfinished tasks
  • leaving all your items disorganized
  • procrastinating on your system
  • being paralyzed by all the failed tasks on your list

…all these elements though have to be united under a formal system. Otherwise, it’s simply becomes a case of one guy motivating the untalented guy but converted into a manifesto. To me, an untalented person can be inspired to become a hero, a 4 hour work week guy, a successful executor and even a guy that wakes up productive but eventually things will catch up to him and once the issues return and reality falls back on him: it’s not just back to the drawing board, it’s becoming re-trapped only in a more distracting cage.

The untalented person has to accept that he will lose all. He also has to accept that he simply can’t adapt well to the events otherwise he would already have.

Even if the untalented individual denies this, the system at least has to factor this.

Reverse backup:  The idea that you will lose everything eventually so before you lose everything the things you need to gain most are not ones that add to your life but add to your life once it has crumbled and even after that, it should still continue to help you.

Some would argue that the above is just unnecessarily lengthening the advise of putting your eggs in more than one basket but I would argue that the advise is flawed in the same way that a person not versed in stocks could not just turn a guaranteed profit from trading and extend that to: stock traders don't necessarily save the planet so despite their competitive advantage, they're not really producing sustainability nor necessity. They're just trading sustainability within their own circles. The circle just happened to be large and Earth just happened to still hang on for dear life.

My answer however is an oxymoron. Just because dumb users shouldn't be free users doesn't mean it's not the more ignorant users who are the majority of the users of free tools but that the victims of those pain from services dropping out are often times also users who did not strive to look if their data can be backed up or has been backed up into the latest revision.

At the same time, as the last paragraph of that quote shows, I'm also yielding to the idea that it's not possible. Unless you have enough money to save a service and beat out other investors, your money has no value. If you are part of an immoral culture, they would take your money and then sell their service anyway if the price is right or the opportunity is ripe. Open source may help carry the torch but as technology improves such as cloud services, it's going to take more than the source. Sometimes you have yield the domain or the building or the staff.

In the end, this is just the structure of nature. At the price of increased survivability and pleasure compared to other species, dumb user have to pay the price for being in a constant cycle of samsara until they get burned enough and develop actions to go around this. Course I don't mean to sound pessimistic. We're living in an age where it's not your intelligence that matters but your resources. I'm sure those born from a richer country who used and lost some free services didn't all end up being alcoholics as if they've just all lost their wives to a man with a larger penis. The problem lies mostly with the contradictions in the context of the two intentions.

It is in the pinboard's writers' bias to make pinboard come off better than the competition.

On the other hand, mouser (and I assume all of us talking about it here) are in the bias of taking the article's intent literally and this being donationcoder we're all invested in software sustainability in some way and we end up making the article to be more than it is because it contains keywords that matches some of our own goals and intentions. At some point, we have to concede though that the conclusion we can gain from this article may not be as helpful or enlightening as we originally hoped.
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Here's another quote to show how different the two situations are:

His mom has been sick since he was fighting in PRIDE, and it is not the first time he uses her condition as a way to excuse something (back then it cuased his poor performances), so now, suddendly when he is asked for a random test, his mom's condition worsens again?

Also the blood samples he submitted were taken in private so... picture me skeptic!

So basically one is an alleged steroid scandal involving taking advantage of a sickly mother.

The other is basically a trade problem with Chris Paul.

Guess which one involves more regular people. Guess which one motivates more rich people to bypass the rule.
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Living Room / Re: my website hijacked
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 14, 2011, 12:18 AM »
First link works fine but the second link made my Opera crash. (I don't know about websites though, just adding to what others have said.)
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Easier said than done for most people.

This may be another thing that is lost without context. These players are rich.


Ooops. I thought the comment was referring to regular people.



To be fair, I was also aiming it at regular people who live in a free market society but since the free market is hijacked/considered a delusion by some, it really depends on which particular scenario wraith meant since my reply was in reply to his reply.

At the same time, this topic is about Chris Paul so yeah, I wasn't really referring to regular people at least not primarily.
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Easier said than done for most people.

This may be another thing that is lost without context. These players are rich.

Wikipedia alone:

Off the court, Paul is a notable ten-pin bowler and a sponsored spokesperson for the United States Bowling Congress (USBC). He has participated in numerous celebrity and youth bowling events as the head of the CP3 Foundation to benefit programs in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina, and charities in Winston-Salem.

With his contract expiring at the end of the 2011–12 season, the Hornets had been working on trading Paul, rather than let him leave in the summer of 2012 and get no players in return.[32] On the afternoon of December 8, 2011, the day before the 2011 NBA lockout ended and players could move between teams, the Hornets, the Los Angeles Lakers and the Houston Rockets agreed to a trade that would send Paul to Los Angeles. That night, after opposition from several of the other owners, who co-own the Hornets, which had been acquired by the league from former owner George Shinn, league commissioner David Stern nullified the trade.[33] On December 12, the Hornets submitted a trade for review that would send Paul to the Los Angeles Clippers and Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon and Al-Farouq Aminu of the Clippers to the Hornets,[34] but the Clippers pulled out of the talks after the Hornets asked, at the league's direction, for Gordon and the Minnesota Timberwolves' first round pick in the 2012 draft, in addition to Kaman, Aminu and Eric Bledsoe.[35]

Endorsements

Paul has national endorsement deals with PowerAde sports drinks, Right Guard deodorant and Nike's Team Jordan brand, where he has released several editions of his shoe "Air Jordan CP3.#". He also has several partner brands and organizations which includes Topps, Fox 8, Upper Deck, and Vitamin Water. The deals collectively earn him around $4 million annually according to Forbes.[43] In 2007, Paul was the cover athlete for the video game NBA 2K8.[44]

Paul has been represented by agents Jeff Austin and Leon Rose under the agencies LRMR Marketing and Creative Artists Agency since 2010. Paul had been affiliated with Octagon Worldwid

SalariesSeason   Team   Salary
2005–06   New Orleans/Oklahoma City   $3,144,240
2006–07   New Orleans/Oklahoma City   $3,380,160
2007–08   New Orleans   $3,615,960
2008–09   New Orleans   $4,574,189
2009–10   New Orleans   $13,520,500
2010–11   New Orleans   $14,940,153

One thing to keep in mind with modern rich athletes, they learned from MJ's marketing. The average talent in the NBA today is in itself a singular corporation. You just don't see it because it's hidden behind agents, managers, sponsors and other hidden entities.

In the last season alone:

Blake Griffin won a controversial Slam Dunk contest because it was necessary for him to make KIA look good by jumping over their car. (A dunk that not only has been done before but he didn't even jump over the car which is how the dunk should have been done to be impressive.)

Lebron James, Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade got away with so many non-calls that even in the Finals, it led to an embarasing Dwayne Wade situation where he pretended to have gotten his eye poked when he missed the last minute shot against Dallas. A move he did only after seeing the shot miss and not only doing the motion but staring at the ref.

When something is beyond the size of capitalism, every entity within it even singular entities that we still consider humans rather than personal brands such as celebrities, athletes and billinoaires are in fact in reality just the same as corporations.

To paraphrase something someone once said "Just because you put more money in it doesn't mean it's going to be better".

The same applies to a single individual homo sapien. The moral desire to subsidize the poor or make everything equal like in a communist system does not only fail because it does not consider the flaw of humanity but also fails because it aims to make everyone extremely rich/luxurious/long living.

It's really like what you said earlier:

So I have a hard time when people start talking about "fairness" or "ethics" in relation to professional sports.

You only have to omit "in relation".

All things such as professional sports are a cultural vanity mirror to humanity in some way or another.

It doesn't mean laws should just be set aside but it also doesn't mean just because you make everyone rich that those rich people stay human. Extreme richness is the road to training a normal (as normal as psychiatry claims normality is at least) and convincing them to act (if not be) sociopaths.

It's why the housing bubbles create so much suffering. It's why people, even poor people, vote the most corrupted politicians rather than get it at least 50/50 right when it comes to voting. It's why large corporations becomes abusive at top and end up treating employees as pawns. It's why people buy shares from evil corporations.

This perspective of seeking extreme richness for everyone and for those blessed with extreme richness to compete to be even richer and more in pleasure creates evil because it transmutes the singular physical body into a CEO that decides for the mouth what chocolate they need to eat or decides for the feet which shoe they want to wear rather than human nature deciding for the brain what they should do to survive.

This is not to say being rich makes you bad but definitely wanting to be rich makes you want to forget about thinking evil given enough reward and the human body is no longer just the avatar of the human brain. It is the avatar for government, corporations, etc. and in turn it can easily be made into one either. It's like jail. At a certain point, given enough imprisonment, one not only becomes a prisoner - he starts becoming the abyss and becomes an animal in jail. Just because jail can train victims doesn't mean it can't also train future jailers and that's what we have with athletes and that's what we have with the fanbase. We're no longer passive receivers of the evils of corporations. It's very possible for us to become avatars of new corporations and bureaucracy on our own. Context (IMO) is more important than classification nowadays at determining who is the real victim and who is a pseudo-victim. The internet has allowed the stage for hysteria to assume a grander stage that it is possible to just as rally better against evil as it is to pity better against someone who does not need to be pitied in such exaggerations that we morally attempt to make their situations into something that isn't really that way.
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Actually I think it is more rude to accuse someone of being rude when they say it's none of your business when it comes to the private sector but I think you have to be exposed more to both sides' extreme to understand this. In fact it's a micro-analogy to the veto position, internet forum attitude style. (Popular MMA forums are notorious for this. People who blindly support the alternative bad companies end up producing people who become rude to anyone who supports the alternative companies besides the mainstream UFC)

Someone brings up the fairness issue without context. (For example the NBA attempted a fairness rule which is what caused the unfairness in their current ruling because their fairness rule wasn't really that good. It was moral intervention with no context except to limit all teams from creating super teams via tax and a bunch of cap issues that even today the fans can't really decide whether it's good or bad or simply flawed and needs to be tweaked.) Anytime you try to bring up past issues, you're going to sound like you're defending a big business. Then when you combine it with the attempt to zoom out incorrectly then you end basically with what happens. Someone eventually gets the right to say "In my opinion, it's not your business." -except even in polite forums, in my opinion creates what you guys are doing now. Zero discussion of the devil in the details and discussion of etiquette.

If you have a goal to discuss, would you rather defend each other's internet etiquette and play semantics on who is demanding which corporation or would you rather discuss the actual example?

wraith808 IMO actually got it partly right that if you have a free market perspective, then the most cruel of market intervention is much harsher than what businesses do in their own circles because the employees can always leave. That's the part that keeps being ignored for some reason. You guys keep treating Paul in a vacuum and then you guys don't even bat an eye or mention the Alistair Overeem issue?! A rare MAJOR issue that actually reveals how large rich entities protect themselves from the rule of law. I think that's not curiosity, I think that's simply internet forum whine but I again, I say this with all the intent not to be disrespectful but to be critical of what's happening here.  

In the NBA, there's also an inner intervention working which is part of what causes this current events. I don't know why I keep failing to relate this to Renegade. Maybe he's just ignoring me. I don't know.

If I create an organization, and create an agreement, then I'm no longer bound by the law and can do whatever I want!?!?!

*sigh* First off, that's why there's a lock-out. To say the NBA is not bound to fix anything, it creates hysteria. It creates confusion and it doesn't really feed your curiosity with reality. Maybe my lack of expertise is what's causing it so I'm just going to leave this thread but for christ sakes I....I'll just leave you all with this quote:

There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root.
-Henry David Thoreau

It's unfortunate that the quote is written in such a way to imply others as hacking at the root vs. hacking at the branches when even if we discuss the root we're not really hacking at the root but sometimes that's the ultimate apathy. Every human IMO has a point of morality where they replace it with apathy because the media and hysteria can dilate our perspective on what's really something fitting of the overall evils we are rallying against.

It's also truly sad that despite the fact that this link has recently been posted and discussed thoroughly in a recent DC topic, we still have people here posting this: "Who else gets to ignore the law?" although to be fair to Renegade, I don't really know if you read it. I just feel like you say you're curious but then...you're not. Despite potentially new information to you, you never adjust your views. You ask it like a lawyer who have sniffed a potential rich client. (I'm not saying you are but it just seems that way.)
 
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Speaking of insane coincidences, this is the real sports event you should all be comparing with as far as guaranteed profits go: http://www.bloodyelb...face-brock-lesnar-at

Notice the key word "conditional" license?

This just occured in a UStream a while ago.

Fighter dodged a surprise steroid test by leaving the States to take care of his sick mother two days later.

NSAC stream happens where they talked to Fighter and the fighter basically only have two reasons:

1) He had incompetent managers/assistants who had never dealt with steroid testing procedures before hence the result of a wrong sample days later.

2) He had not received the news of the surprise test before he acquired a ticket.

In that stream, the NSAC people basically admitted that they have no idea when the fighter changed from LHW to HW. They questioned whether his scar came from steroid use. They talked about putting e-mail in all their forms.

Basically everything fishy that could happen, occurred. Why the conditional license? Because this was a big fight. They didn't even verify the date of the ticket acquisition. Literally taking Fighter's statement as truth on the sole pedestal that he said he acquired a plane ticket two days ago on the phone.

This is the difference between professional sports and professional wrestling. Employee safety. Rule enforcement.

Neither are truly entertainments on their own. It's not just a game for the fans, it's not just a game for those involved in the transactions.

It's alot like the record labels. Music is entertainment but when big money is involved, a team like LA can NEVER sit well with being any type of team other than a championship team that is at the same time exciting. Last Finals was the biggest disgrace in all Lakers history.

There's also the opposite blowback, the NBA is on the threat of a constant lockout. Basically this lockout was an extension of the lockout in the past. Translation: The NBA is in their own equivalent of a micro-Great Depression.

Such an event not only gives leverage to the owners which in turn encourages more cheating BUT it results in the rulers trying to put a foot down in any form. This is because it's professional sports. Regulations, restrictions, culture-wise it's anti-reactionary often hiding behind legislations upon legislations. Given enough size, the only reason Paul being traded is even categorized as a separate business is because it's the NBA. Go towards any smaller market professional basketball league and you'll see that teams can even barely trade because of the lack of talent.

In contrast, professional wrestling and any type of modern sports like MMA not only don't get an official commission that is tailored towards their sport but often times many people within the culture are content with not making the sport legit as is the case with the NSAC decision because it often means hurting the pockets of too many involved. (boxing being the only example I know of something that eventually went mainstream but is also alot like professional wrestling because of their structure) It is only because the UFC desires to be more of a legitimate mainstream sport that they even strive towards such things as steroid testing but that in itself does not compare to the Chris Benoit tragedy where because of constant bumps to the back of the head, the professional wrestler Benoit ends up killing his wife. On top of this, professional wrestling at the highest level is worse than professional wrestling at the indy level because the workload increases beyond human capability which leads to such things as wrestlers being addicted to painkillers, contracts being screwed like with what happened with Bret Hart and wrestler safety being compromised like with what happened with Owen Hart where it was a legitimate contract dispute that allowed the WWE to keep Owen Hart to the company despite his brother Bret wanting Owen to leave that compounded with other problems in the industry eventually led to Owen Hart dying because he was tasked to do something he was untrained to do which led to the disgusting accident that didn't even make the rulers stop the event and instead the event went on which fooled many professional wrestling fans into thinking a man who recently died in front of them was simply an act. Yet this is the highest level of professional wrestling. The odds of this happening in the NBA are slim to none. The odds of this happening in professional wrestling are at least 30% in the most conservative metric.

Leagues like the NBA are closer to exclusive sports rather than the highest level. They are only considered the highest level because they have a near monopoly of the talents. Super teams never destroyed the game. The people who in the name of competition wanted a way to dethrone better teams demanded super teams to be limited in the hopes that they can compete so they set up not so good rules which caused teams to be in the current predicament among other factors.

There's no anti-trust issue or monopoly in sports because that's the point of GMs competing with each other to begin with. The problem is smart tampering that leaves no paperwork which is what is used to create a super team within the current set of rules which combined by the lack of appeal of those teams meant it was easy to convince players to move towards certain cities.

I'm really not even a novice on this topic. Like many of you, I follow sports events I like. I read up on the forums. The thing is, and I do not say this as an insult towards you Renegade, you have to at least have an inkling of the sports and the terms you're referring to.

By equating professional wrestling with professional basketball (particularly this situation) for example, it's like you're saying you have a hard time respecting marijuana because it and cocaine are both illegal drugs. People fucking get addicted, died and just flat out have their hard work destroyed in professional wrestling in THE "most" unprofessional manner. Professional wrestling is literally a death trap in the sense that the better you are, the worse off you get as the best organization is LITERALLY the worst organization among all the organizations you can move to. The sole reason people go there is the same reason great foreign directors move to Hollywood only to be ignored/make crappy movies...only...again...people intentionally die!. Professional wrestling will never ever be the same as professional sports especially basketball at this point in time.
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Living Room / Longform Links Best of 2011
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 13, 2011, 02:12 AM »
via MetaFlter

Direct link:

http://bestof2011.longform.org/

http://bestof2011.longform.org/20.php

My preference:

This was in April 2006, and Mark Zuckerberg gave Hammerbacher—one of Facebook's first 100 employees—the lofty title of research scientist and put him to work analyzing how people used the social networking service. Specifically, he was given the assignment of uncovering why Facebook took off at some universities and flopped at others. The company also wanted to track differences in behavior between high-school-age kids and older, drunker college students. "I was there to answer these high-level questions, and they really didn't have any tools to do that yet," he says.

#8 This tech bubble is different

tags:
 
Zynga
Facebook
Microsoft WebTV
Apple Iphone
shopping culture
Silicon Valley
Hollywood
mathematicians
turn ons
digital crack
gamification
Google
ad tech
consumerism
freeware
Color (startup)
Cirrus Logic
sardine population
sand dune formation
Department of Defense
biological weapons in Central Asia
Cloudera operating system
Pacific Biosciences
biology
paradigm shift
quotable

Born from an impetuous whim only a billionaire would call a business plan, the paper quickly began its operations, grabbing all of the talent money could buy. Frank Deford, a writer who had achieved legendary status by the age of 50, was made editor-in-chief; columnists and a feature staff were gathered, poached, and lured from everywhere; every beat in the athletic spectrum was covered, charted, and ranked, from golf to professional wrestling. There were jokes, crossword puzzles, flashy info graphics, gossip, and an attempt to cover world news in brief. Somehow Casey Stengel wrote for The National even though Casey Stengel was dead. The long-form pieces were often exquisite and resonant. The box scores were innovative — a statistical Rosetta Stone. Egos ran wild. Ambitions, unchecked. Everyone's own ideas, of course, were the best ideas. And it was all just too much: The vision for the paper exceeded the technology available to produce it; the content straddled highbrow and lowbrow in a way that confused potential advertisers and buyers; distribution was a catastrophe; the money could not last. But what transpired in that year and a half launched careers and developed the voices and thoughts that would go on to frame the next generation of sports media. On the outside, The National seems long forgotten. But on the inside, there's no doubt at all that The National Sports Daily completely changed the game.

#9 The greatest paper that ever died

tags:

Titanic
end product distribution
Frank Deford
Emilio Azcarraga
El Tigre
conversation
national sports paper
Sports Illustrated firings
new venture
mafia
murderer's row
writing talent
eating barbecue ribs like a god
real (not fake) Mysterious Mexican guy with money to finance
too old to fail
making a life changing decision while on a yacht
rooftop satellite transmission facilities
four fax machines
sixth fax machine never received a fax
Israeli computer programming
first paper in the United States to go without a composing room
going at five
no test papers
no newpaper during rainy Detroit
up to the roof of 666 to knock snow
a ladder and a broom
Toshiba laptops with really cheap modems
tech side doesn't know what they're doing publishing
dead design nazis and agate fascists
Van Mckenzie
self made gambling Grizzly Adams
Senior Editor, NFL and Boxing
Tyson-Buster Douglas
Some other time, my friend
Hank Gathers
death threats
Bill Murray The Sports Fan
that asshole Patterson
Charlie 800 words
Lupica in the flesh
4,500 copies a day
saving 5 dollars
If we could only deliver the paper without printing it, that would be more like the business I know.
The gospel of being sold to the Medellin drug cartel
Feinstein's cat bs
The French Open ends
June 12 iceberg
writer's lockers besides Wrigley's bathroom
playing the Mariners in the Kingdome
Lowery's birthday
Mike Penner's funeral house
Why'd I feel like I'd be any different
Give us Barabbas
free drinks
lucky Spencer
50 to 150 million

“You have only 15 minutes.” Then he lifted his shirt to reveal a heavy, boxlike device dangling from his neck. According to the note, it was a bomb. The teller, who told Wells there was no way to get into the vault at that time, filled a bag with cash—$8,702—and handed it over. Wells walked out, sucking on a Dum Dum lollipop he grabbed from the counter, hopped into his car, and drove off. He didn’t get far. Some 15 minutes later, state troopers spotted Wells standing outside his Geo Metro in a nearby parking lot, surrounded him, and tossed him to the pavement, cuffing his hands behind his back.

Wells told the troopers that while out on a delivery he had been accosted by a group of black men who chained the bomb around his neck at gunpoint and forced him to rob the bank. “It’s gonna go off!” he told them in desperation. “I’m not lying.” The officers called the bomb squad and took positions behind their cars, guns drawn. TV camera crews arrived and began filming. For 25 minutes Wells remained seated on the pavement, his legs curled beneath him.

#17 The Incredible Story of the Collar Bomb Heist

tags:

Pizza
boss
three minutes too late
3:18 pm bomb blast
DIY gun
Puzzle solving or death
Keys
go to the Mcdonald's restaurant
out of the car
drive thru 24 hrs in the flower bed
orange tape in Peach Street
jar in the woods
empty
called off because of the cops
Well's clothing
two t-shirts
Can you guess who is behind this
Mama Mia's Pizza-Ria
Erie Times-News reporter
Bill Rothstein
Sept. 20 body
suicide note
Jim Roden
Marjorie Diehl-Armstrong
body grinding
lymphoma
death
string of dead lovers
Kenneth Barnes
crack dealer
former ex-television repairman
assassination
inheritance
stop talking
said too much
July 2007
US Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan
Liar
fake to real
fast talking silver haired assistant US Attorney
7 years after
Jim Fisher
Behavioural Analysis Unit
frugality


It makes sense that I felt divorced from mainstream rock in 1998; it was the year that the children of 1985 turned 13. The radio belonged to them now, and they quickly re-made it in their own, utterly foreign image. Not that they didn’t have help; the bands that came along when I was 13 and changed the radio in my image had exited the center stage of pop culture. Nirvana and Soundgarden were finished, Smashing Pumpkins and Alice In Chains were well on their way to being finished, and Pearl Jam no longer seemed interested in sounding young anymore.

Grunge wasn’t just dead; its body was being chopped up so close friends and relatives couldn’t identify it. For the next several years, a new wave of bands systematically wiped away the gains alternative rock had made in the early ’90s. Grunge was consumed by a new beast, and vomited back up with the most rank, least edible chunks of metal and hip-hop. Whether it was called nü-metal or rap-rock (or far worse epithets by those that couldn’t fathom the ugly blitzkrieg of belching fury suddenly coming at them from the fleet of bright yellow muscle cars rapidly taking over Main Street in every American town), this was music that took the sludge and the self-pity of early-’90s rock and turned it into something leaner, meaner, and nefariously empowering.

#18 You're either with Korn or Limp Bizkit or you're against them

tags:

women treatment in lyrics
bitches and faggots as acceptable rebellion
weak and emotional grunge
we're not all victims inside
Korn
big government rock stardom
fag except for the dick
homophobic by not being homophobic
Limp Bizkit
payola
Bob Dylan
finding stuff was easier but lonelier
Brown Country Arena revenge
offering an earful of pain
success by severity of headache
something other than mob mentality
gals obliging to show their breasts
one in every 10 minutes of inbox hate
Dear Faggot the book
comments
his story of Disco
goth Beastie Boys
Spice girls of hardcore
Marilyn Manson
Mechanical Animals





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Living Room / Re: Beyond Gamification. Designing up Maslow’s Pyramid.
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 11, 2011, 11:45 PM »
Just to lighten up the mood (plus it's a topic that I would have created a thread for anyway)

http://gigaom.com/cl...8GigaOM%3A+Mobile%29

There are far more cell phones in India than there is access to sanitary toilets — about 600 million out of 1.2 billion Indians have ready access to a clean bathroom, while 800 million Indians have cell phones. That rather shocking stat, was an a-ha moment for Swapnil Chaturvedi, an entrepreneur who has been working on sanitation projects in India’s slums and who was looking for an idea to help him reach many more millions of Indians with clean toilets.

Chaturvedi’s idea is the awesomely-named Poop Rewards, a startup that creates an incentive program using cell phone talk minutes and other prizes to convince Indians that don’t have easy access to toilets to use designated public toilets in their area. These cell phone users are extremely price sensitive, explained Chaturvedi to me in an interview after winning first prize at the business competition Startup Weekend Delhi, and he thinks this demographic will be willing to change their behavior (or use a public toilet) to save a little bit of money or earn free cell phone talk time.
How it works

With a phone company as a partner, more public toilets could be built in the necessary areas — the U.N. estimates it only costs $300 for a low-cost toilet — and cell phone companies can use the rewards program to retain low-price conscious customers and provide a public service, which can also help with loyalty.

The Indian cell phone market is becoming increasingly commoditized and Indian cell phone companies are struggling to find ways to end churn (customers hopping to the next cheaper cell phone carrier offering a deal). Chaturvedi says carriers like Airtel spend a significant amount of money just trying to keep its customers from leaving for a competitor. In the same way that the airline industry was saved by rewards programs that gave free miles to loyal users, cell phone companies can create rewards programs around sanitation that can also give back to the community, says Chaturvedi.

Down the road, Chaturvedi envisions the program could be an open source tool that local entrepreneurs in developing areas can use to create their own Poop Rewards programs with carriers. But Chaturvedi is still just figuring out his business model, he tells me.

Development of an idea

Like all good entrepreneurs, Chaturvedi has pivoted a bit on his original ideas. He had been working on a type of toilet that could convert human waste into electricity, and he’d received a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to work on that. But after going over the math, he kept realizing he was only going to be able to reach a very small population relative to the problem because the project required funding and lacked incentives. His new idea, Poop Rewards, could potentially work with the waste-to-fuel toilet, but it is more focused overall on just boosting a sanitation network.

Chaturvedi hopes to start a pilot project with a test toilet and user group in the coming months (Airtel is really interested, he says). Make way for the Poop franchise. Though, yes, there are a bunch of hurdles ahead, like convincing a carrier for a deal, and launching a program that does actually produce a behavior change.

Along the way no doubt he’ll need some funding, and most of the startups at Startup Weekend Delhi were looking for funds. At the end of Chaturvedi’s pitch, angel investor Dave McClure (see disclosure below) told Chaturvedi that his pitch was the best of the day and that he is interested in potentially funding the project.

That said a rewards program isn't really new but the premise about it being more about gaming human behaviour fits enough with the theme of this thread I guess.
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Living Room / Re: Beyond Gamification. Designing up Maslow’s Pyramid.
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 11, 2011, 03:42 PM »
umm... just out of curiosity, why the buttons?

but it seems that you have not yet been able to provide sufficiently coherent definition or fact to be able to establish whether the term "curation" and its derivatives are anything more than undefined hyped-up BS buzzwords that an implied 97% of scientists bloggers believe to be true.(A logical fallacy - an appeal to the consensus.)

At some point, proof I think is left towards progress.

I think I've exhausted so many words and details, details that were ignored in favor of a simple sentence or a cursory overlapping glance, that it's kind of like trying to tell a person that the internet CAN exist even if it hasn't existed.

For me the proof is in the pudding though that, at least for this topic, you're not asking to be convinced while at the same time assuming I was trying to convince you rather than have a dialogue and hence adopting a stance where you act as if I was trying to simply convince you. It's really disappointing but I just can't ignore it when you start throwing things like The Emperor still has no clothes as if I was a messenger of the Emperor. As if I somehow want to convince everyone that everyone should just accept and buy into the hype of buzz words even though your reply says:

Curation: ...rather than buzzwords

The earlier dialogue was certainly enlightening and I have no regrets conversing with you but these last few posts just come off as if you're talking down to me. Old manner of replying that went into details become less and less so. Cursory judgements become more and more justified as valid replies. Points become less and less discussed in favor of points such as "you still have not convinced me" shaded in paragraphs. It would seem that your interest (not your patience) have ran it's due of course and you are simply replying for the sake of replying.

I have already had one person in the DCF comment that I am "...the man who writes the longest and most convoluted posts in the entire forum". I think this was from the same person as used a logical fallacy without realising it and, when I mentioned it, seemed to think it was a matter of opinion as to whether it was a fallacy.(!)

No, no. This title clearly belongs to me. You have one, I have several both in real life and in the internet. You often provide links. I often provide mere opinions and observations. Only providing links when I encounter them to supplement my opinion.

I apologize though if I don't see the relevance of this and your statement about Scoop.it. You already admitted that you gave a cursory review.

I only have one other thing to add: By gods man be more vicious! My posts rail on you for being a bit harsh not because you are a bit harsh but because it doesn't  seem like that of someone who is harsh at all on curation. Your last few posts reads that of someone who is a bit harsh on thin air, not on curation. That's the point. Be more harsh man! More links. Getting impatient? Throw all yer links and opinions at me. Don't hold back. I don't care what you or someone else thinks. I will read and respond to your posts to the best of my capabilities and if I can't, I will still read it. I don't guarantee it but so far I have read all your posts in this thread and I don't see why any evidence of why I won't stop doing so if it is worthwhile. Not this junk that adds an extra overhead of needing a click of a mouse to reveal and reveal only fluffy apologies. If you want to apologize, apologize for not being harsh at all, not for the opposite. I am not the other person you were talking to.

- which is an implicit appeal to the consensus.

If it were consensus, it wouldn't be lacking in evidence. In the context of what I wrote and in the context of the person I was writing to (whom keeps insisting that it doesn't exist), it's more appeal to potential utility. A description far away leading to a road opposite of consensus.

Maybe the earth is still flat, and maybe Hitler was grossly misunderstood, and maybe eugenics/Communism/Fascism/[insert religio-political ideology or pseudoscience here] is the way ahead, and maybe there is anthropogenic global warming, and maybe there are fairies at the bottom of the garden, but I remain incredulous regarding these things until they are able to be substantiated as unequivocally true.

Which is why I wrote:

Anyway, as far as usefulness in practice, that's up to debate but it seems enough people find use in the idea and I leave those people to silence or prove right the critics.

It's not so hard to understand a sentence if you don't try to snip it mid-way.

The article provides no definition for:
Financial Literacy
behavioral education
Behavioral Finance
Personal finance
- and yet these terms are used and bandied around in the article as though they actually mean something.

It's a consequence of any new/more modern branch. Psychology is more guilty of this than anything else.

Your comment comes off as a red herring though as I believe this entire topic was meant for interesting reading and the link written in the context of my words was to show that some people seem to find potential innovative use in the concept you insist as purely being a buzz word with no apparent validity for existing. Your comment is certainly valid, it just replies to a different issue. Proof is there when you cling towards belief, ignoring that the author was sharing an anecdote of an answer he presumably gave in an interview.

As you so said:

There's nothing wrong with the article that couldn't be fixed by a complete rewrite.

...but then why make it an issue of whether the author should rewrite it or not?

Your bolded text says:

Gamification: ...and not "Why the Author should rewrite the article"

Of course, there is no "new wave of folks who are exploring the gamification of personal finance". I have been involved in creating such games for students to play (on a mainframe computer) as learning games since the early '70s. Things have moved on a bit since then - e.g., I can practice placing buys and sells on the stock market through an online game system run by my New Zealand bank, which is similar to a game sponsored by the Wider Share Ownership Council in the UK in the mid-'70s.

Which is part of the problem with your definition. Though it is not grammatically wrong.

Your supplied definition applies to game development. Gamification is not about creating games for the sake of creating games. (Even educational ones at that.)

Despite all this, it tends to be the case that the operation of accounting systems - and especially banking/insurance systems and processes - are a closed book to the majority of the population (who have not studied the theory of accounting and national payments transaction processing). I have a very cynical view that this state of affairs is maintained by the banks and insurance companies because they can only really maximise their profits by maintaining an impenetrable transparency of their operations. The last thing they want is a theoretically perfect Keynesian market where all consumers know what products and services are on offer at what prices, and from which financial institutions. That means that it is very difficult for the typical consumer to know/understand what the heck is going on with their money in the financial market.

The above is the only notable element of your post. Yet it is a subject of banking, not gamification. You also did not elaborate upon it.

With the way you recently replied, I hold little hope that you can restore your old quality of replying (at least within the boundaries of this thread)

Thus I leave those topics you deem not worthy of addressing and I instead move on to topics you feel are worth your time.

Please criticize these links as if they were talking about gamification. They are old topics and you probably have addressed/viewed them elsewhere before and they barely hint to any gamification but at least there's more chance that you would pay them closer and better attention (which in turn would restore the quality of your replies) and we'd all go back to having something worthwhile to read (and reply to).

http://en.wikipedia....Behavioral_economics

http://fora.tv/2010/...ide_of_Irrationality

http://www.youtube.c...&feature=related

http://www.youtube.c...&feature=related
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Ok, here's the thing that I still have trouble with... to clarify...

Suppose McDonald's decides to create a McDonald's organization and people can join. Now, those are the only people that can enjoy the wonderful privilege of flipping burgers. And they can be compensated for their time at the wonderful rate of $1.00 per day. (Or whatever --- I chose an insane number because it's essentially irrelevant.)

Now, since it's an organization like the NBA or a church or whatever, don't they get the same leeway?

Seems like too much of a scam and way far outside the spirit of labour laws.

But at the core, they are the same thing...

I just can't get past the rule of law.



No, the core is vastly different because of the size. The rule of law accounts for the CIA doesn't it? It's the same here only for consumers.

Size has a lot to do with the complexity. Context also.

Far as size goes, people within an organization may have smaller less powerful entities tied to a salary where all the leverage goes to whoever is on top.

The NBA is so huge and it is a sports league so it's not just a corporation but a mixture of businesses within businesses.  Most of those people not really victims except in the eyes of whatever hardcore fanbase can get away with painting as a meme.

In the context of offiicating: this is the LA Lakers. It's like a bunch of people within Enron only what Enron actually did was illegal and unfair to everyone concerned within and external to the company with no clear sight of benefitting anyone except the entity that is Enron.

In the case with the NBA, if Paul goes to the Lakers, the NBA not only profits but they resurrect interest in one of their big market teams. Interest that was already there (and arguably at it's peak compared to ALL other teams) unlike the New York Knicks who had to acquire Amare Stoudemire and was on a slump for years. In fact the only time it waned was because of the players themselves in the last NBA Finals.

If Paul stays at NO, chances are he still gets traded elsewhere because NO simply can't compete. Even if he stays, NO still is nowhere near a title. It is by far less worse than fairer and more "according to the rules" trade such as what happened with Miami and LA. Trades that only seem fair because there was no paper trail left behind of any tampering as these two major teams have wisened up after the Joe Smith fiasco.

It's why I'm against such analogies. It's so important to know which NBA team is vetoing in this case because if you're not, you will severely underestimate the delusion hardcore fanbase would go to attach whatever extremities they can to make a situation look worse than it is in the name of making their already superior (and borderline unfairly built) team become even more superior. This is not to say the trade is unfairly leaning towards LA but believe me with the "superstar" player actually being moved to LA, you can hook enough fans into thinking that they are getting a superior deal yet again and fuel more arguments.

...and just so that it can't be said that I'm attempting to dodge the core:

The core is years in the making. This is again the problem with laws. Too many appealing to the rule, not many appealing to the right.

The core was that teams complained of "super" teams. The making of Bird's Celtics and Magic's LA was considered unfair.

Whether they were so unfair that they warranted a rule or not, the point was this was the most exciting point of the NBA and resurrected interest in it.

Then years down the line, post-Jordan, there was both a need (actually a want by fans and greedy league officials) for the next Jordan and a need (actually a want by teams who want to win without care for competition) for a super team that retained the interest of Jordan's peak years.

Here's where the conflict of interest started to unravel. Teams wanted to bypass the rules that keep them from being as super a team as possible. Yet they have players that aren't as good as Jordan though evolved much better in skills/athleticism and talent but without the heart and domination that defined Jordan.

Then you have players wanting more and more lucrative contracts. A product of the false marketing in which the core was that the league severely desired to fulfill a "guaranteed Jordan peak years way of profits".

That right there is the core but the size and the elements of powerful people involve means the rule of law is insufficient if not deficient at maintaining any semblance of the "better" old days. (I don't say good because it's not like it was peaches and pie during those years.)

The product got worse. The rulers got worse. Teams got greedier.

This created a culture where superstar trade decisions after superstar trade decisions occured so frequently and somewhat unfairly that even though the fanbase of those teams cheered for it, deep down the overall fanbase lost a lot of their interest in the actual teams as legitimacy of competition lost it's luster.

Meanwhile teams kept on stretching the ways they can build super teams "within the restricted rules". LA being a major market meant they hold a lot of leverage. It didn't hurt that they had arguably the only next Jordan player to have won several championships thanks to a combination of good management and again that leverage of being a big market. The combination which resulted not only in Shaq but to the point of trading Gasol-Kwame. A trade that jump start all these other teams desiring to tamper and create super teams to counter this new generation of bypassing fairness within the rule of law.

Such a culture creates chaos and as the NBA rulers/officiators try to maintain controls, try to keep lock-outs from happening, try to satisfy fans who delude themselves that every time LA wins it's not because of a team combining the elements of creating a super team and going against watered down teams ...the result is you have crazy decisions like this veto that sometimes backfire, sometimes get ignored or sometimes have fans reeling about on what is really fair or what's not. All while the rich get richer. Even being arguably richer than when the best players were winning championships and actually dominating the league without demanding for severe (even by the standards of the past) lopsided trades except for Jordan of course who is a special case that both dominated but also marketed himself while showing everyone that the hype was fully warranted. That latter was a special case but as special as it was, it was also the pre-emptive setup that created this culture. And no, I'm not trying to make the issue sound complicated. This is the core. You want to make slightly more legit analogies, make an analogy that considers this situation not some current events social whining that sound only legitimate if you haven't been following sports news. This isn't an issue of Joe Schmoe blue collar/white collar worker not being able to go to work on a place he wants. This isn't about animals chained to posts. Worst case scenario, the trade gets blocked, and a championship contending team gets to prove that they are a legit championship contending team by settling on their current roster. In fact if this so called team wins the championship again and the Paul trade doesn't really do anything, then all it is was a good off-season of news while (most) fans do a double take and thank the NBA for doing the veto.

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Here's the thing... Professional sports operate outside of the law in many ways.

Suppose Stephen and I both work for IBM. We then decide to bet on whether IBM or HP will have a better fiscal 2011 EBIT. This is not illegal. If we were in the NBA or NFL, it would be. How the hell is that "rule of law"?

Now, suppose Stephen decides to go work for Oracle and I decide to go work for HP. And some other organization blocks me from working for HP when HP clearly wants to hire me. WTF? Seriously?

Stephen has a point there.

This appeal towards the law is IMO the very same catalyst for why the law is also broken/has been broken by more troublesome and confusing laws.

To uphold just laws, it's not about which entity operates outside of it but on what those actions entail.

The problem with this scenario is it's just not that applicable of an analogy. It's seen by your counter analogies and it's seen by the over-reaction of stretching it towards professional sports as if this wasn't a trade but the NBA literally telling Chris Paul his contract is being changed without his permission. That's not the case.

LA can still renegotiate for Paul. This "version" of the trade is vetoed. Not the entire trade concept.

If the government or lawyers block you from working for HP because of some technicality like immigration problems, they can.

Whether they are in the right or wrong, the point is they can impose that because you chose to live in the vacuum where people have given up their power to the almighty government of "country X". It's the same way with the NBA (where teams all play for one popular "league") only LA has so many hail mary trades thrown at them, this is nowhere near an abuse. Not to the level of suddenly equating this with all of professional sports or equating this with how the rich takes advantage of the poor and powerless.

Similarly, whatever NO gets by keeping Paul - it has never really made them over the top unless they have another trade happening barring the over-achievement Pauls Hornets have shown throughout their careers. Over-achievements which haven't even resulted in a championship yet anyway.

Plus, a Paul trade can still happen and Paul if he really wants to leave can leave. Only he has to leave the NBA. No more different than your boss can veto a branch move "within" a company. You can leave for HP but within the company the boss has a right to block your attempt to move to the board of directors. The only reason the NBA doesn't come off this way is because it's mainstream and with that comes size of angry over-reactive fanbase and size of departments that literally branch out to full blown team ownership, over-paid player contracts and every other aspect size of that magnitude entails. Size that creates the illusion that teams are more independent than they are unless an event like this actually happens.

Another thing with this operating outside the law issue: The NBA is not an illegal business nor is it a 3rd Party. Sure, because of it's size, you have owners who want to break the law by tampering or refs who want to earn an extra chunk of cash by ruining the integrity of the sport or spoiled players who worsen these lockouts because they and their agents seek the big payload when they are already living in the age of huge contracts but they do not operate outside of the law. It's what fuels the overreaction to the veto. The veto was done "within" the right of the NBA to do so as allowed for the law. If it was really outside of the law, the whole league would have been arrested, detained, destroyed. Zero NBA. A more apt analogy would be a parent's right to drag their underage offspring away from any type of party they deem dangerous. Is it always just? Is it always fair? No. But it's sure as hell not slavery or parents 100% wanting guaranteed profits from having a child that didn't risk going to jail and ending up have a poorer future with less cash to subsidize them when they are retired.

Finally, a trade to LA does not make all animals equal. The rest of the teams have suffered from LA constantly winning championships because of blockbuster trades. It was never equal to begin with and it never will and it has only gotten worse. The rule of law "fakes" these attempts which is why you have watered down teams. To then claim that a counter-reaction to the failure of the rules is suddenly proof that the law has failed? That's ass backwards. That reeks of over-reaction. This is a sport folks. Not government wars. Not secret wall street meetings. Not even a company blocking you (the working Stephen who finally attracted a better job at another place) from reaching your dreams. This is purely a battle between rich people and those who worship and pay to make rich people argue on these things for the sake of a bigger paycheck in the guise of competition. It doesn't mean this issue may not be worth fighting for but don't dirty the issue and make it to be something it isn't. Even as a basketball fan, I already have to stomach the faux attempt of a new Boston-Laker rivalry that never really was there because both Boston and LA could attract superstar trades because of their team's prestige. I already have to stomach the idea of Lebron winning not 1, not 2, not 3 championships in the future because of the Decision. The last thing any basketball fan needs is to have more legacies by legends be further tarnished and hijacked by an event that's really only notable in basketball and not in general.

Edit: Also, I think it's worth emphasizing that pulling out of a trade which LA has done (only read about it now) is different from being blocked/banned from pursuing an action. A boss can demotivate me to leave the company by offering a higher paycheck to nowhere's ville. One that completely gives zero benefit for my long term future worse than whatever the Lakers have to deal right now and if I give in to the offer, he's not doing anything against the law.
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I don't really get the analogy.

I get the nobility of the analogy but replay the controversies and conspiracies of the last years and you will hear many criticize Stern and LA for doing the Pau-Kwame trade (resulting in several championships) which in turn justified the Lebron trade whose critics end up justifying the Boston trade.

Plus Paul is not really anymore different than people earlier in the lock-out worrying about Dwight being another Shaq for LA. (It's what set up all the silly rules in the first place. This worry about super teams and then this type of deals happening where teams end up having super teams anyway.)

On top of this, Stern is in a midst of losing control of the rules. No thanks to delivering a washed down basketball product and trying to manufacture Lebron which led to things like the Decision. There's also been a tampering charge against two teams contacting Dwight. A veto is not really that much out of order. This wasn't some major game trading change except that the league finally tried to be more vocal against big market teams holding more leverage. Worst case scenario, it's a slippery slope.

The bottomline is really a stretch. In the end, this is a league. You don't like the rules, don't be part of the league. You want to sidestep competition and acquire a major player to immediately resurrect the notability of your team, cheat the system but don't be surprised if things like this occur. It doesn't have anything to do with low class citizens seeing as both players and owners are bonafide rich. It doesn't have anything to do with slavery seeing as the player restriction is restricted only to teams within the league. Neither the Hornets or LA suffer heavily from this either. Lakers have been what? Champions and still are able to renegotiate for Paul. Hornets don't suddenly become the Red Auerbach Boston Celtics if they keep Paul.

It's really not good to hold an argument on the basis of guaranteed profits when a league has just nearly been/is still part of a lock-out. Especially issues such as this that only become rant-worthy because it's the NBA and it's not some lesser known sports league/sports controversy.
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Living Room / Re: Beyond Gamification. Designing up Maslow’s Pyramid.
« Last post by Paul Keith on December 10, 2011, 12:22 PM »
I think judging Scoop.it on it's own as a singular representative of social curation services would be just as unfair as say judging 4chan as a blog or judging Tumblr's main culture as what the blogosphere is all about.

On top of this, it ignores the fact that Scoop.it is not the most unique among the social curation services. A simple google search could show that in fact it's the opposite: it is the most generic. (though generic here is not necessarily bad)

From the very beginning Scoop.it never hid itself as Tumblr but focusing on topics. (Though the direction they took doesn't really show that as there's no way to be anonymous and focus completely on a topic but nonetheless everything about it is still more topic based than Tumblr.)

To top it off, it would be one thing to say, "Hey I registered to Scoop.it and it seems to be...[...]" but forgive me if I accuse you of not even doing this to prejudge a service. I'm not saying so with the intent of being defensive towards the service it's just that if I was being critical of curation or a service like Scoop.it, I would at least expect someone to point out the less efficient in-built Google Alert/RSS type slow as molasses recommendation engine or even the small text space but to go as far as curation seems to be publishing eye catching pictures I think it begs one to be skeptical about whether one truly even attempted to know about a service or simply copy pasted several texts.

Even without registering, it would baffle me that such a comment could be considered serious at face value when several Scoop.its essentially mimic the lay-outs of many blogs. At the very least I would hope that a critic even at face value would at least prejudge it like a blog...but publishing eye-catching pictures and then referring to limited reading ability and or low reading age??? It's a comment unbecoming of you.

Anyway, as far as usefulness in practice, that's up to debate but it seems enough people find use in the idea and I leave those people to silence or prove right the critics. Example (it was reading this that in fact reminded me of this topic):

Why Financial Literacy Fails

 “Actually,” I told the interviewer, “I don’t think this country needs more financial literacy education. Time and again, financial literacy efforts have failed. They don’t make any noticeable difference in the way we spend and save.”

I gave an example from my own life. “When I was in high school, all seniors were required to take a financial literacy class. It covered topics like compound interest, the Federal Reserve, how to write a check, and the dangers of credit cards. I took that class. I aced every test. And five years later, I had the beginnings of a debt habit.”

I wasn’t the only one. From what I can tell, the kids from my high school grew up to be no different than the rest of Americans. We learned the basics of financial literacy, but it had no perceivable impact on the way we saved and spent and earned. We still made stupid mistakes. We still spent more than we earned? Why? Because financial literacy isn’t the answer!

If you’ve been following Get Rich Slowly for any length of time, you can probably guess what I believe is a better solution. It’s not to feed people more facts and figures. It’s not to teach them how bonds work or to explain the sheer awesomeness of a Roth IRA. I believe what we really need in this country is some sort of behavioral education.

I’m just not sure how to do it.

Behavioral Finance

 Personal finance is simple. Fundamentally, you only need to one thing: To build wealth, you must spend less than you earn. The end. That’s it. We can all go home now. Everything else simply builds on this. Why, then, is it so hard for everyone to get ahead?

For some people, it’s systemic. There’s no doubt that some people are trapped in a cycle of poverty, and they truly need outside help to overcome the obstacles they face. But for most of us, the issue is internal: The problem is us. In other words, I am the reason that I can’t get ahead. And you are the reason that you can’t get ahead. It’s not a lack of financial literacy that holds us back, but a chain of bad behavior.

One of the key tenets of this site is that money is more about mind than it is about math. That is, our financial success isn’t determined by how smart we are with numbers, but how well we’re able to control our emotions — our wants and desires.

There’s actually a branch of economics called behavioral finance devoted exclusively to this phenomenon, exploring the interplay between economic theory and psychological reality. And in August, I wrote about a new wave of folks who are exploring the gamification of personal finance; they’re trying to turn money management into a game. More and more, experts are seeing that our economic decisions aren’t based on logic, but on emotion and desire.

“For years, I struggled with money,” I told my interviewer today. “I knew the math, but I still couldn’t seem to defeat debt. It wasn’t until I started applying psychology to the situation that I was able to make changes. For instance, I used the debt snowball to pay down my debt in an illogical yet psychologically satisfying way. It worked. And I’ve learned that by having financial goals — such as travel — I’m much more inclined to save than if I have no goals at all.”

Source: http://www.getrichsl...what-to-do-about-it/
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Living Room / Re: Bill Gates, not Steve Jobs, is the real hero
« Last post by Paul Keith on November 06, 2011, 08:10 AM »
Well I went off because I felt my comment was obvious for what it was and to quote tomos: "the hero idea is BS" and that's why I brought up Mother Theresa as regardless of what you think of the human, her brand says different. Period. 

He does get attention but the thing is, nobody really considers either of those two as heroes. (Not in the sense of Mother Theresa at least.)

?!?!?

There's nothing there to point you to anything other than what the words say.  Which is something that a lot of people believe.

?!?!?

Copy paste:

No way I would have extended my comment to that which is why I never implied Mother Theresa's flaws at all. It's just not worth it. It hijacks a thread. It slips people into angry if not defensive delusions or both. It leaves nothing but a husk of a thread. Bringing up the brand should never be seen as bringing up the human. There's a time and place for that and though I would hope there are more necessary time and places to bring up such truths for those who haven't encountered it, fact of the matter is that there isn't. It wasn't a flaw in my comment to omit what any article says Mother Theresa really wasn't, it was by design. A design necessary in the world left by those who  create heroes.
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Living Room / Re: Beyond Gamification. Designing up Maslow’s Pyramid.
« Last post by Paul Keith on November 06, 2011, 07:56 AM »
Oh I apologize if the way I came off was being defensive. I was simply providing tangible examples. I think it's safe to say that there are people whom I respect enough to not feel emotionally bothered with when replying.

However it is weird to equate critical thinking into the conversation of fad words though. Especially digital fad words.

If anything, it would be pseudo-skeptic to deny the existence of a term on face...nay Dilbert value.

The critical thinking way would be to do as what you have done with Maslow's idea and slice through the fluff from the truth. I can only surmise that it is not your fault but mine for being a poor communicator that you feel I have failed to bring this things to surface when I felt that was what I was already doing. In my previous post alone I (attempted to) answer this question: what exactly do you intend it to mean when you use it?

At the same time, the bullshit factor of buzz words here is that Workflowy doesn't state it is a social curation tool. The designers might not even be thinking of social curation when they design the app. Yet here's the flip side though. Is Workflowy better off because of it? I say no. A big part of social curation is the social. Actually social here doesn't mean sharing except that it can be shown to the public/friends that get permission. What in reality it is hinting at is that export and import can be cool.

...but in order to be cool, it has to be personalized to more casual needs and layed out in better ways. Bullshit buzz words or not - there's nothing confusing about that especially for technical people. Export/import and presentations was always an important and controversial issue in all walks of life but software developers have often tacked it on if not been slow to adopt to this. Web developers focus too much on mobile. Desktop developers focus too much on caged databases. Had Workflowy been more of a social curation tool maybe it would have focus on a desktop compliment already. Maybe.

If this is still confusing, here's the bottomline. Curator as a word especially in a digital world? Yeah, there's a lot of bullshit in that. The average blogger can be a curator simply by blogging. You won't know whether he's a good or bad curator at that. You might not even sniff it because blogging is based on popularity and niche circles much like social networks. Social curation though - you can see a bit of the person's identity through that as it's their personal collection. Not in an entirely privacy invading way but like a well researched blogger making a blog post. The difference between the potential of social curation design and blogging is that blogging asks for the reader to have an interest in skimming through archives with little way of organizing a story except maybe via chronological and tag based random clickings. Social curation could potentially adopt the concept of stumbling upon data that Stumbleupon originally popularized before that service was hijacked into a social media category and combine it with the innovations of annotations (PDFs/Diigo), personal website scraping (Scrapbook+/Surfulator) and combine it with the bundles of an e-book.

For word origins I often refer to this site: http://www.etymonlin...ndex.php?term=curate

late 14c., "spiritual guide," from M.L. curatus "one responsible for the care (of souls)," from L. curatus, pp. of curare "to take care of" (see cure). Church of England sense of "paid deputy priest of a parish" first recorded 1550s.

...and for dictionaries:

http://www.onelook.c...m/?w=curate&ls=a

noun

an Anglican priest who helps a more senior priest more...
verb

to be the curator of an exhibit in a museum more...

On top of this, if you search social media in the dictionary:

http://www.onelook.c...ocial+media&ls=a

You'll have to go to such anyone can edit sites such as Urban Dictionary or Wikipedia just to get a "dictionary" entry.

Such is the commonality of many digital words. I don't see what's weird in that. Yet I'm sure despite the lack of this, you would know that what the dictionary defines as Twitter is not the same as the social media service known as Twitter.

On top of this, you could simply google for a definition and links such as this would turn up in the 1st few pages:

http://www.quora.com...laborative-filtering

The main difference to me is that curation is more than filtering (whichever form you give it): curation is about giving context.

A filter will select content. A collaborative filter, content based on what others and you did.

A curator will not only do that but add context: comment, analysis, format, pictures, ... Why they felt it was relevant, why they agree or disagree with that content.

Look at how the same piece of news is titled differently by say CNN and Fox and Al Jazeera: it's the same news but the context can be way different because each time, a human being - not an algorithm - gave his own twist to it.
-Guillaume Decugis, I run Scoop.it

To cut through the fluff, social curation is beyond context. It is perspective. Context can be everywhere. People can have context from upvoting and downvoting and liking an entry. Yet that's social media.

Social curation as it is commonly understood and implemented by many services is a fad word to unify the way people collect and personify such collections to bypass the filter problem from collecting such items.

The theoretical aspect of it is to take the mindset away from the collector so that they could simply collect and put more fluid and natural wording metadata to their collections instead of the dead as molasses aspect of tagging. It is a mindset to take into account the manner that people not only collect in different ways but they consume their collection in different ways as well as take into account the what if of what happens if they present this data to another human being. In short, it is an experiment towards something that can change the way we bookmark, annotate, share, relate, blog etc.

Of course origin-wise, the problem remains that it is a buzz word. However as most buzz words go, there was a prelude to this and the prelude is that as new services come and go, such services are often wrongly categorized and while those categorization helps, they also fail to be buzz words but one needs buzz words to influence those web developers to create and design a service that applies to the buzz word.

An example is Twitter's follow button. While it is a crucial feature on par with the "mark as read" buttons of rss readers and the footnote feature in word processors, no one was copying it. No one even understood how or why it needs to be copied for usability. At least that's how it was if you read the digital media and ask most of the early bird users. There was a demand for it but no one simply find it cool/necessary or needed.

As it stands with most concepts, someone had to hype it. So someone did. My first introduction to a social curated compared service was Storify and while I do not know the origin of the buzz word, it cemented to me why social curation was both necessary and important. At least for me.

One reason being is that even before I encountered social curation, I was social curating and the concept so enamored a poor communicator like me that when I first encountered a service that somewhat hinted to social curation (though it didn't advertise it as one) I wrote in my profile:

"I use Diigo because it's a great service, certainly the one I most depend on. I wouldn't know how to read as much websites without it's features. The Diigolet button looks like the developers were considering Opera users. It was one of the few web services where support was present to the point that it will be hard not to be introduced to Maggie even though I didn't really look for the staff. It is still in my opinion one of the key features in building up a competent web service.

So all in all, you have community, developer support, innovation and the underdog quality feel of a well made "before it's time" web application. Man, the only thing that would convince me not to use it is if the developers looked like they forgot all the stuff that got them the users, the features and the general stability of the service.

I mean, I've heard some like Mashable think Diigo has failed so there's always that doomsday looming in my head that one day they'll just drop the service but man oh man, hopefully they don't.

I don't have the cash to donate to them but this is like THE new hope for a more productive web if not the few soldiers on the quest of going against the grain of web 2.0 being more about infotainment than "fun research" community that really really just works and isn't just for the experts and the rich or the mainstream users so finally I use it because even though I don't have the cash, I want to use it as a way of showcasing my support for such an app that deserves to be right there at the top and hopefully it can only improve from here on out."


*Note that this was way way before such controversies as this article.

Now has most social curation services reach Diigo's level? No, I don't think so. Which is why it's so difficult to simply define social curation like one would define social media when Digg first became popular.

Diigo was what I considered the first Web 3.0 service when it was first released. For me, the only other innovative service on par with the tag of Web 3.0 was Dropbox because both of those services have qualities that you just couldn't point to anywhere as a total package.

When Diigo first came out, it had the most external social bookmarking service importing feature (which it dwindled down by ver. 3) and it's premium features, were not premium features and it also captured embedded youtube videos. It was a perspective that at that time I've never seen offered in any other free service nor I've ever thought a bookmarking service couild do. After all (even though it didn't) it gave you the capability to eat up nearly the entire portion of the social bookmarking side of the internet...and then some.

That is what modern social curation tools are aiming for.

As a definition, it is as large as the semantic web which is why it's so hard to define in a short manner without sounding like buzz words and it being a buzz word, also doesn't help it's case.

But as an tangible design, it's a lot more specific and that's what gives it life.

Storify first inserted the idea of a search engine where you can collect data via drag and drop and present it as a personalized edited collection.

PearlTrees does to social bookmarking what Goalscape does to outliners which is give you results that you wanted but you weren't searching for. Most of it is just due to it's mindmapping-like interface but to call it simply mindmapping would be false.

Scoop.it aims to push the focus more on content than authors. It is blogging without the pressure or the destiny of a blog to be judged on it's author rather than it's content.

Subjot edits the follow button so that instead of following the users, you follow subjects which lessens the noise.

Uncram takes the Zemanta model of creating diaries by recommending explanations for entries you posted. It also experiments with a like button that also serves different emotions such as thanks or agreement.

Ifttt.com takes the problem with exporting data from different services and uniting them.

Workflowy creates a fluid filter search engine that redefined how outlines are filtered and managed.

Each of these designs redefine what used to be simple subscription models utilized by RSS readers.

Each of these are able to do this because instead of trying to value your personal data and identity (at least less so than say something like Facebook), social curation defines itself as services having the perspective that (me) is less important than my data and that as good as many "Web 2.0" services has been, at the end of the day... not everyone desires to see how many upvotes an entry has, not everyone wants items recommended to them, not everyone wants to read the latest linkbait blog article. There are people who simply want to be informed. Read up on things they want or need to read up on. Have simple ways to collect and reread what they collected. Have simple ways to extract what they read and show it to another person without going through hoops and have ways they can interact with such presentations/stored notes to make it easier or more enlightening to review them.

Unfortunately this potential also means that where social curation's definition starts to stray towards incredibly tangible, incredibly present, incredibly existent definitions...the potential of the service strays off towards theoretical concepts again. No different than what semantic web features entail once people talk about social media vs. MSM or social bookmarking vs. browser bookmarks that sync. Social curation's potential (and in turn it's definition) lies in that place where one day people who can't hack it/who can't use bookmarks have a service designed like a bookmark for others but one for them. That one day people who can't collect without getting disorganized, have a way to get themselves organized without needing or wanting to get organized. That people who can't cut through the mass exposure of rss or feed-like features such as push entries like Facebook or Twitter, have a way to still consume such services with less noise. It is as it says on the tin: a way for a personal user to have a personal library but unlike a library like say MediaMonkey or Calibre, a library that's more like a museum. A museum where one does not need to be a master metadata librarian in order to mass collect and mass consume their collections without becoming confused or even worse buried under our own inferiority to better human beings.
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Living Room / Re: Bill Gates, not Steve Jobs, is the real hero
« Last post by Paul Keith on November 06, 2011, 07:12 AM »
Well I went off because I felt my comment was obvious for what it was and to quote tomos: "the hero idea is BS" and that's why I brought up Mother Theresa as regardless of what you think of the human, her brand says different. Period.  (Though I don't have a strong belief as tomos' statement has which is why I never stated it this way)

As far as Mother Theresa the human though, I consider her a non-factor. A name you insert as a hook for those who have not find the desire to do research on her. Her reputation is so obvious to anyone who does some minor reading that even an un-scientific show like Penn and Teller's Bullshit can show her as a propaganda piece for the Vatican because her BS stinks worse than your average Christian. It's not just her religious background, the way she approached charities reek of con-men and the way she left her legacy reek of con-men. Whether it's Wikipedia or somewhere else, read a little bit about her - find a lot wrong about her besides her religious background.

...still heroes are images. They are on par with legends. When one compares heroes with non-heroes, one speaks of the hero as a positive image of what most people view them. Not for who they really are. Especially not for who they are as there's a risk of such things as flame wars or circular arguments trying to over-humanify the flaws of the hero as if that makes it ok that they leave a legacy of lie. On top of this, we always get into such topics like charities or relgiion. Mother Theresa was a horrible person beyond her religion, beyond her charity, beyond the common crook. I'm not just saying this because of her works as a human but again because of her legacy as a product for those who want to push an agenda. But that's just it, Mother Theresa is a hero. She's a saint. She causes people to be angry defenders of her whenever she's criticized even of people who barely knew her and the few who don't, again they justify the flaws of the world as if that somehow should apply to a saint and it's now ok to pardon the hero. No way I would have extended my comment to that which is why I never implied Mother Theresa's flaws at all. It's just not worth it. It hijacks a thread. It slips people into angry if not defensive delusions or both. It leaves nothing but a husk of a thread. Bringing up the brand should never be seen as bringing up the human. There's a time and place for that and though I would hope there are more necessary time and places to bring up such truths for those who haven't encountered it, fact of the matter is that there isn't. It wasn't a flaw in my comment to omit what any article says Mother Theresa really wasn't, it was by design. A design necessary in the world left by those who  create heroes.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Love WorkFlowy, hate web apps.. What to do?
« Last post by Paul Keith on November 06, 2011, 06:02 AM »
Couldn't drop this :(; had to contribute before going to sleep (3 AM in Stockholm, Sweden):

Checkvist
(some screenshots at top of page at alternativeto.net)

Looks interesting, but I have not tried it yet.


Checkvist does look interesting (I have an account from way back) and on the surface you could see many parallels with Workflowy but where Workflowy is more seamless to drag and drop, Checkvist is more clunky and less real time.

Still it's a service way before it's time as far as online service goes and it's major downfall was that it didn't do one thing extremely great. As a to-do list service, you were distracted by the drop down outliner. As an outliner, pressing shift to edit should have been great but because it's less animated, it's often hard to distinguish between how safe (i.e. clear) moving around an entry is.

Another weakness of Checkvist is that it's very main branch-centric. Even if you click upon an entry of branches, it's not so easy to move back to the some semblance of an "in-between" entry and have those entry be treated as if they were the main entry.

For those who don't want to bother to sign-up, the things Checkvist has over Workflowy is:

-Mass export to Atlassian Confluence format (wiki), txt, HTML and OPML
-Permalink (though maybe this is also how Workflowy's share works, didn't check)
-Undo
-Drop down for main branches (List drop down arrow at top right)
-Archive
-Everything's more static like a straight webpage

Finally somewhat superior shortcuts except for weaving back and forth between branches.

ll gives you a shortcut to the top right drop down list

ee/F2 for editing (double click also works)

del for delete

There's both shift tab/tab and enter and shift enter for when entering text

No notes but Workflowy's notes feature is kind of bad in that you can't collapse it.

For mass editing, there's shift but again it's brought down by the lack of fluidity when editing branches.

Space equals completed item and shift+space equals invalidated item.

You can also cut/copy and duplicate.

All these while you also have the convenience of tags including an actions button for those who want a more mouse-centric less keyboard shortcut way of doing the advanced stuff.

It's also recently updated. It's really a great piece of web service except because it lacks the fluidity of Workflowy, it's simply not an alternative to Workflowy except for those simply wanting Workflowy because it's an online cloud-based outliner.

All in all, if there's one way to summarize Checkvist is that it's to Workflowy as Toodledo and Todoist are to RTM. Both service's free offer beat RTM's free offering but RTM is simply more smooth, it's a lot less clunky for more task items and all in all it's more minimalistic.
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Living Room / Re: Bill Gates, not Steve Jobs, is the real hero
« Last post by Paul Keith on November 05, 2011, 10:29 AM »
He does get attention but the thing is, nobody really considers either of those two as heroes. (Not in the sense of Mother Theresa at least.)
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