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Developer's Corner / Re: All about FBSL!
« Last post by kfitting on February 08, 2006, 05:57 AM »
Cool.  I went through the first GUI tutorial last night... and kept getting a "This variable is locked error."  I copied and pasted from the help file.  Any ideas?  The GUI window would come up but no richedit box came up.  Any attempt to resize crashed the program until I changed one of the variables in the resize sub (I think it was hRichText to hRich... but not sure).

Kevin
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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software
« Last post by kfitting on February 08, 2006, 05:52 AM »
Sorry, I cant resist this discussion!  A couple of things I've thought about:

- rjbull: I think (heh heh, cant get away from individual preferences in this genre!) that the ideal app would combine the ability to quickly take notes with the ability to go back and assign them a structure.  I'll explain below somewhat.

- mouser: I somewhat agree with rjbull.  There are quite a few of these on the market and several more already in development.  At some point the number of import/export routines becomes too big!  I dont think it's a horrible idea, but if you want to take this genre on, it's going to mean a LOT of work.  As you and rjbull mentioned, look at the discussions involving keynote 2... look at our own discussions here.  This is almost a full-time genre. 

- I imagine these types of programs as vast data storage devices with a nice front end so the user can think of things in terms he/she is used to.  People are familiar with trees and document formatting... that's why Keynote took off.  The hardest part would be to get a sophisticated enough backend with an easy and intuitive frontend.  It should be easy to shove data into the system.  It should also be easy to retrieve it and relate it to other things.  The importance with the relation is that I dont want to have to type  (or copy/paste) the same data two or three times.  Virtual nodes come close to this idea in Keynote, but filterable/ folderable nodes/tabs really are useful here.

- Hyperlinks.  We just had a somewhat interesting discussion over on the the novo libera forum about hyperlinks.  They should have a priority.  They also should minimize the need for user interaction if the user rearranges folders.

- I recommend looking at the Keynote 2 forums (http://www.tranglos.com/forums/phpBB2/), the novo libera forums (http://novolibera.proboards80.com/), the neomem forums/blog (http://neomem.org/blog/), and the TreeDBnotes forums for ideas. 

In particular, novo libera is setting some pretty lofty ambitions.  Read the second post by the author (Tim Penrose) on this thread: http://novolibera.pr...mp;thread=1132771000 

Kevin
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Developer's Corner / Re: All about FBSL!
« Last post by kfitting on February 07, 2006, 06:59 PM »
Well, while the questions are flying thick and fast, how about two more?

- Is there a way to make replacement hotstrings a la AutoHotKey?  I use AHK currently for hotstrings but would like something faster (typing fast leaves with faulty replacements). 

- Is there a limit on the number of GUI objects allowed?  Using AutoIt I became a fan of the ListView control.  But, AutoIt places a 4096 limit on GUI objects... including ListView rows!  This limits the max size to ~4000 lines.  Also, does the ListView allow you to edit cell contents?  Does it have a "cell" event to tell the program which cell has been clicked on or modified?

If these questions are answered in the help or the forum please tell me and I'll search through them instead of bug you guys.  But, thanks for the answers so far!

Kevin
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Developer's Corner / Re: All about FBSL!
« Last post by kfitting on February 07, 2006, 05:35 PM »
Sounds nice.  I downloaded and installed.... I'll have to play around with it at work.  Is there any way to not have to install FBSL to code it?  Is there a zip file I can just unzip and "away I go?"  I really am interested in the API functionality... why reinvent the wheel?  Are there any good Windows API references you know of?  THanks

Kevin
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Developer's Corner / Re: All about FBSL!
« Last post by kfitting on February 07, 2006, 04:58 PM »
I've got a question for you... I looked at FBSL very briefly a year ago or so, but since then I found out about AutoIt.  After using AutoIt for a while I realize that it's powerful... but somewhat slow because of it's overhead.  Is FBSL closer to being an actual language rather than a "translator?"  In other words, from what I understand, AutoIt translates it's syntax into a C style language.  Naturally, programs written in C to begin with can be faster and more efficient.  Is FBSL a layer on top of C?(Sorry my terminology is way off... I'm not a dedicated programmer, just a VBA/AutoIt scripter!) 

Kevin
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Clipboard Help+Spell / Re: CLIPBOARD HELP+SPELL LATEST VERSION INFO THREAD - v2.23.01 - Nov 22, 2013
« Last post by kfitting on February 07, 2006, 04:53 PM »
I agree with mouser!  I can't even convince myself of all the features I think I maybe (possibly?) want in a "notetaking" app! 

Kevin
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Post New Requests Here / Re: Notes Snippet organizer
« Last post by kfitting on February 06, 2006, 05:36 AM »
I was beginning to think that you wanted two diametrically opposite approaches combined in the same program
-rjbull (February 06, 2006, 03:25 AM)

Yes, I do want that!  One program program to rule them all and in the darkness bind them!

Kevin
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General Software Discussion / Re: does anyone of you believe in defragmentation programs?
« Last post by kfitting on February 05, 2006, 03:27 PM »
But, speed aside, what about harddisk thrashing?  It just doesn't seem like it's a good thing to make the harddrive heads slam around all the time.  Speed is a secondary concern to me... I care about the life of my harddrive!  Is this a valid reason to defragment?

Kevin
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Living Room / Re: Is this offesive?
« Last post by kfitting on February 05, 2006, 01:32 PM »
Yes, and in this post-modern world we have to define "is"...

Kevin
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Post New Requests Here / Re: Notes Snippet organizer
« Last post by kfitting on February 03, 2006, 09:18 AM »
Yeah... a relational database with a GUI to set it up!  Basically I want the world and I realize that one program may not do everything I want... but dreaming is nice!!

The problem with every mindmap software I've tried (i've tried a bunch of the under $80 ones) is that they only do mindmaps.  Trees are great for most stuff, I just want more flexible trees.  The other stuff (flowchart, mindmap) stuff is merely where I'd like to get to eventually.  The other problem with these softwares is that their drawing interfaces are very clunky.  I have used other vector graphics programs and the mind mapping softwares go out of there to defy any "standards." 

But, in the end, I would settle for Keynote with:
- true hyperlinks in the editor pane
- true hyperlinks in the tree pane (as nodes)
- picture support (jpg, bmp, gif, png)
- built-in table support
- Filterable nodes
- ** not necessary but nice  ** simple spreadsheet grid nodetype

For all the other stuff, Keynote is absolutely awesome!

Kevin
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Post New Requests Here / Re: Notes Snippet organizer
« Last post by kfitting on February 03, 2006, 06:03 AM »
Regarding SEO Note:  I took a very brief look at it and was not impressed with the current version (v1.1).  It's seems like a stripped down version of Keynote.  Furthermore, it doesn't add native table support or true hyperlinks and without those two things you may as well just stick to Keynote as it does everything else extremely well.  The one thing SEO Note has going for it is that it is in current development (I believe).

Regarding formats:  I hear you here.  That's one reason why I'm waiting to see what kind of I/O both of those programs are going to have.  Seo Note does HTML, RTF, and text.  That doesnt help for conversions! 

Regarding Filters etc:  I agree that not all users will immediately see the benefit of this.  My first taste of this type of thinking was with Opera Mail Client M2, and it makes email management much easier.  I think mouser is going to add similar capabilities into FARR so take a look at the next few versions.  But, let me try to describe a quick scenario where Keynote (and any other non-relational manager) leave me gasping for air:  At work I worked on a motion control project.  In the initial phases I was collecting data and didnt know what I knew.  Grabbing random bits of info I would put them where I thought they made sense.  As my understanding improved I realized I needed to change the structure somewhat.  But, what I also realized is that there are different ways of looking at the same data.  Sometimes I want to look at things from a vendors point of view (who manufactures what piece?).  Sometimes I want to look at it from a system point of view (what piece does what action?).  Sometimes I want to look at it from a piece point of view (who makes what piece and what does it do?).  In Keynote, I have to make a different tree for each type of view... very time-consuming to enter data initially and update with new info. 

But, if I can choose different properties for each piece of information as I put it into the Information Manager and change those properties as I find new relationships, it allows me to back away from the micro-management of the data.  If I have a motor from a certain company, I can relate it to that company, the motor's major specs, and the motor's job in the project I am working on.  When I want to view the data in different ways, all I need to do is apply a new filter and the data matching that filter comes into view.  If I edit a piece of data in one view, it is changed in all other views because it's the same piece of data.  As I find new relationships or need to change old ones, I can "reassign" the data new properties.  Now, imagine I am done with the current project.  Suppose that a year down the road, I need to look at motion control stuff again.  I have a repository of information that I can find quickly and remap quickly (some of the data will apply in the new project).  I dont have to worry about where I put information, I dont have to worry about changing various instances of the information, and, best of all, I can mold and shape the way I view the data as I learn how it relates.

Keynote can imitate this with Virtual Nodes.  While powerful, and still valid for certain situations, they are external to the main file.  I like having everything in one place. 

Obviously, there are times when it is good (and quite necessary!) to impose a certain rigid structure on data.  But, often, I find myself wanting to throw data into the mix and then, once I figure out how it relates to different things (projects, concepts, parts, etc) quickly relate it. 

Wikis are weird.  This is partially me just not wanting to change!!  But, I dont see Wiki's as the answer.  Tree structures are great too, but what I would love to see is a program that can combine different ways of looking at the same data with the click of a button.  Flowcharts, trees, block diagram, mindmaps... all these should be able to be used to show the same data.  I dont want to have to retype or copy/paste data between views. 

So... those are some of my thoughts... hopefully I've bored you to death!

Kevin
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Find And Run Robot / Re: A unified FARR / Launcher Interface Proposal
« Last post by kfitting on February 02, 2006, 04:06 PM »
Ahhh... I kind of see.   I'm not talking about having each option be a node in the tree... that is confusing!  I mean the tree should contain few levels of options: highest level and one or two levels beyond that.  Then, each node (depending on the complexity of it's config page) would be able to have a few tabs. 

As a start you would move the tabs you currently have to the first level of the tree.  Then you can sub group the options on those pages, then have the checkboxes and input boxes there.  This eliminates some jumble of checkboxes with frames effect currently being used.  I have seen this done with layered tabs (AdMuncher) and it gets rather confusing, but a tree would clean this up well.

I'll try to think of some common programs with tree option GUIs.  But yeah, I agree: all options in the tree is bad news!

Kevin

edit: of course!  My favorite program, Keynote, does the tree GUI for options.  It only uses two tree levels but see how clean it is?  It offers many options but they are all readily accessible.
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Find And Run Robot / Re: A unified FARR / Launcher Interface Proposal
« Last post by kfitting on February 02, 2006, 02:06 PM »
Fair enough.  The problem with tabs is that you get full rather quickly.  With the number of options you are putting in the programs moving to a tree structure would allow a cleaner interface.  But, at the end of the day, it's your decision! 

Kevin
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Find And Run Robot / Re: A unified FARR / Launcher Interface Proposal
« Last post by kfitting on February 02, 2006, 12:24 PM »
nontroppo:
Yes, Opera's filters in M2 got me started in my fanatical devotion to filters rather than folders!  Of course, there are times when you need a predetermined set of things, but often a filter is fine.

mouser:
Looks nice.  Will this suck in the current FARR options?  Further, will new versions of the major DC programs incorporate this new config interface?  ScreenshotCaptor is another program that could benefit from a visually simpler config page.

Kevin
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Find And Run Robot / Re: A unified FARR / Launcher Interface Proposal
« Last post by kfitting on February 02, 2006, 10:47 AM »
Hey mouser, sounds good, but another issue that is becoming critical is the user configuration GUI.  Right now it is starting to get cumbersome.  Adding all these options (great ones, mind!) will make it unwieldy.  My suggestion is to go to a left hand tree structure with tabs across the top.  But, regardless of the final outcome, this will need to be dealt with soon.

Kevin
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Post New Requests Here / Re: Notes Snippet organizer
« Last post by kfitting on February 02, 2006, 09:42 AM »
I dont use Neomem for it's current lack of I/O features.  However, the author is working on this for his next release (well, export first, import next) and I know it's high on the priority list for the future in any event.  Not using Neomem, I am not able to comment on how it works currently...

Right now is an interesting time for this type of program.  Many people are realizing their value and adding different features.  Unfortunately finding one with all the features you want is tough. 

Add TreeDBNotes to the list of Keynote replacements.  I took a look at this one and if "Novo Libero" or Neomem do not take off, I am seriously considering it.  The pro version comes with a highly accurate Keynote import.  Basically it's Keynote with table and hyperlink support and a database backend.  Unfortunately, they dont take the database to its logical next step which is the use of nodes as filters and make notes have properties.  This is what I'm waiting for!  (http://www.mytreedb.com/)

Kevin
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Find And Run Robot / Re: A unified FARR / Launcher Interface Proposal
« Last post by kfitting on February 02, 2006, 09:37 AM »
This may have been mentioned already (I may not have understood something somewhere!) but could you make the folder structure of the toolbar autopopulate?  Could each "folder" really be a filter?  For example I could have a folder that has a definition of "C:\MyFolder | pdf".  When I click on this folder, all pdf files from c:\MyFolder are shown as icons.  Of course, this is a simple example... more powerful would be multi-foldersearches with regex.  I'm not suggesting this as a replacement to normal folders, but as another type.  This is the gray area between FARR currently and a launchbar. 

The main reason I suggest this is because the reason I dont like launchbars now is that I have to preload all my "shortcuts."  This takes a lot of time to set up correctly and it would be nice to have shortcuts determined on the fly.  Obviously, there are going to be some groups you want to handpick, this just extends the original idea.

Just a question.  I think this would increase complexity, but while we're discussing this type of thing... let's add to it!

Kevin
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Clipboard Help+Spell / Re: capture to text file?
« Last post by kfitting on February 02, 2006, 05:48 AM »
Hey, this is kind of cool.  What about if you could append text too?  Using emails as an example, if you get an email from someone you could save to a text file called "BobHenry.txt" (rtf would be cool too!), then if you get another email you could append it with a custom spacer so you get one flat file.  Or you could keep a quote file, appending quotes as you get them.  Sounds like a good idea to me!

Kevin
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Find And Run Robot / Re: A unified FARR / Launcher Interface Proposal
« Last post by kfitting on February 01, 2006, 07:46 PM »
Very, very interesting idea.  One quick question: would the user be able to add this launchbar to his taskbar?  This would free up screenspace and allow those who already have a bunch of dockable apps to free up space for them.  I personally don't really like dockable things (except my media player, QMP) but putting FARRLB in the taskbar would be neat.

Kevin
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Site/Forum Features / Re: minor improvement to downloads page
« Last post by kfitting on February 01, 2006, 01:30 PM »
Or the arrow/highlighting... that's what I miss!
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Post New Requests Here / Re: Notes Snippet organizer
« Last post by kfitting on February 01, 2006, 08:21 AM »
Yeah, if you go to the Keynote forums (http://www.tranglos.com/forums/phpBB2/) you can read more.  I've been keeping close tabs on the guy (Jalepeno on the keynote forums) who claims to be making his own version of a notes type program and it is VERY impressive.  I will be the first to admit it's current status is vaporware (with 2 screenshots!), but from just some of the preliminary discussion it sounds like it will be a worthy replacement to Keynote.  Here is the forum for that program http://novolibera.proboards80.com/  Take a look.  Another interesting project that I've been watching is neomem.  Go to neomem.org and then check the blog and the forum for the latest news.  Hope this helps

Kevin
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Find And Run Robot / Re: Another similar app (disclaimer: I haven't tried it)
« Last post by kfitting on February 01, 2006, 05:39 AM »
Yeah, adaptive scoring was discussed.  I still find it amusing that I first started using FARR because it had adaptive scoring... only to find out later it doesnt yet!  Definitely will be good to see a new version!

Kevin
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Find And Run Robot / Re: All these F+R ideas are wonderful
« Last post by kfitting on January 31, 2006, 08:33 PM »
I somewhat agree nontroppo.  Not that a launch bar is bad, it just seems that FARR makes one almost unnecessary.  Granted TrueLaunchBar does do a lot more than just launch things though... can't quite rule it out!  But, I hear what you're saying and it confused me too when I first heard it.

Kevin
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Find And Run Robot / Re: All these F+R ideas are wonderful
« Last post by kfitting on January 27, 2006, 07:20 PM »
Good to hear!  FARR is one of my most-used DC apps!

Kevin
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Clipboard Help+Spell / Re: CLIPBOARD HELP+SPELL LATEST VERSION INFO THREAD - v2.23.01 - Nov 22, 2013
« Last post by kfitting on January 24, 2006, 11:27 AM »
Yes, CHS is portable.  In fact, if you download the exe and change the extension to zip, then extract the zip to a folder you can run right away. 

Kevin
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