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General Software Discussion / Re: XP or Vista user — take the poll!
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 04:05 PM »
f0dder — Not too complex compared to XP or Vista, but you still need (at least) {storage,video,network,sound,input-device} drivers, a TCP/IP stack, and enough of a standard code library to facilitate writing at least a GUI and a browser. This is a lot of work, and writing a standards-compliant browser that can handle enough javascript, CSS, XHTML etc to run web applications is probably as complex a task as the rest of the system.

Exactly. That's why I said, "Aside from the browser and the web server, apps would be written for the WebOS and won't be specific to Windows, OS X, or GNU/Linux."
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General Software Discussion / Re: XP or Vista user — take the poll!
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 04:03 PM »
Sadly, since the Bush administration allowed the digital robber barons to do whatever they liked in the past seven years, there's little competition in US broadband. If you’re lucky, you have a choice between the services offered by the local cable monopoly and the local phone monopoly. The price is high and the service is poor, but there’s nowhere else to go, and compared to bandwidth in France, even cable modem speeds are painfully slow here.
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Developer's Corner / Re: Lua programming language
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 03:53 PM »
What app said — I have no idea how to program spit.
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Developer's Corner / Developing a Firefox Extension That People Actually Use
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 03:51 PM »
[via Bob Sutor]:

Developing a Firefox Extension That People Actually Use — 32 Essential Tools and Tutorials
"In this article, we provide you with the vital resources you need to not only create a Firefox extension, but also to help you create one that is actually used by other people."

Worth a read.
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Man, you guys are cruel. I would have never thought of this!
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General Software Discussion / How the OS becomes the WebOS
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 02:17 PM »
LONG POST AHEAD. MY APOLOGIES, but you three got me thinking. If this goes where I think it will, I'll eventually be replacing my Microsoft rants with Google monopoly rants. But consider how boring your PC would be if it were not connected to the web. It suddenly reverts to being a lot less "fun," for lack of a better word.

Lashiec — I don't know where all this fuss and desire to push web apps comes from. How do you run a browser without an OS? Are they going to transform the OS into a full-blown browser?... The future, I say, will be composed of desktop and web apps.... a synergy between the two models will be better for everyone... Bah, I'm sounding like and old jerk instead of a young guy!
steeladept — Web apps immediately lend themselves to a subscription based model.
Carol — Trouble is, by the time this all shakes out Linux will have been fragmented so far and be so tied up with proprietary stuff as companies try to customise it in non-standard ways (within the GPL system) that Linux will probably die before it ever gets into wide circulation - or remain a geek-haven.... I am going to have to start thinking about Linux as an alternative in the medium term.... Who knows maybe Jobs & Co. will see the light and make MacOS available to PC users - then I might be tempted, but I don't want to get locking into Apple hardware (or prices).... The biggest problem witht he coming webapps approach is that huge numbers of people have no access to high speed internet.

No Lashiec, you're sounding just like a thoughtful guy. Money will play the primary role, and that's a big beef with me, too. I want to choose to buy something, but I don't want it automatically extracted from my microscopic checking account every month before I get a chance to buy macaroni and soup (yes, yes, everything I eat comes from a box or a can). But today, there's not too many of programs left that absolutely need to be standalone desktop applications. Both steeladept and Carol see the writing on the wall: the money is not in the apps, it's in access.

Because they run in the browser, the biggest advantage of web apps is that they're cross-platform. Again, this cedes a natural advantage to GNU/Linux, for why pay Microsoft for their restrictive license, the cost of beefed up hardware, endemic DRM, WGA, etc., if I don't have to? I can use a small Linux distro that runs on any old machine and uses as little as 512K memory if needed. The Microsoft Tax is suddenly gone, and Windows is just another option. Just like office file formats, without locking you into both the OS and the application via the proprietary file format, Microsoft becomes just another choice among many, rather than enjoying an inherently dominant advantage. Seeing users walk to GNU/Linux is the last thing Microsoft wants to happen, so they're going full speed ahead with various Windows Live strategies. With none of Microsoft's apps written for GNU/Linux, they're at a grave disadvantage — unless you buy their OS. Microsoft is going to build a WebOS right into their next operating system, perhaps even within the second Service Pack of Vista. You won't be able to tell when you're using desktop applications or when you're at msn.com. This is already largely true for Office 2007 research services. They'll never develop anything for OS X or for Linux (or for browsers other than IE), so Microsoft's influence will be limited to what people will buy from them via their FlexGo (pay-as-you-go) initiative.

A "WebOS" isn't that complex. Essentially, there are three main parts to the system:
  • The browser (along with other browser-ish applications like Konfabulator) becomes the primary application interface through which the user views content, performs services, and manages data on their local machine and on the Web, often without even knowing the difference. Something like Opera, Firefox, Safari, or IE... ideally browser agnostic.
  • Web apps of the sort we're all familiar with: Zoho Office, Gmail/Google Apps, Flickr, and MySpace, as well as other applications that are making the Web an ever richer environment for getting stuff done. (And ideally all Ajaxed-to-the-max to provide an experience closer to that of traditional desktop apps.)
  • A local web server to handle the data delivery and content display from the local machine to the browser. This local server will likely be highly optimized for its task, but would be capable of running locally installed web apps (e.g. a local copy of Gmail and all its associated data).

That's it. Aside from the browser and the web server, apps would be written for the WebOS and won't be specific to Windows, OS X, or GNU/Linux. This is completely achievable for organizations like Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, or the Mozilla Foundation to make happen.

In turn, for application developers, the great advantage is that instead of writing two or more programs for multiple platforms (one for the Web, one for Windows, etc.), they can write one app that will run on any machine (or phone!) with the WebOS using the same code base. We all know the advantages of locally run applications: you can use them when you're not connected; as Carol notes, they're not dependent on connection speed; you can use an icon in the tray to open Gmail in your favorite browser (I use AutoHotkey to trigger that behavior). For applications using larger files like images, video, and audio, those files could be stored and manipulated locally instead of waiting for transfer (as Thinkfree Office does). For users, upgrades and updates will be as easy as hitting the refresh key — say goodbye to 46-digit activation and license codes, and overnight, piracy evaporates. Your desktop system is suddenly cleaner.

There are also disadvantages to WebOS applications, not the least of which (1) is that HTML+JavaScript+XHTML+CSS+Flash does not provide the same functionality and user interaction as true desktop applications written in Cocoa or Visual Basic. You'll sacrifice processing power to bandwidth availability. But web apps may be good enough for most people. As a UI, a web page is lame. (2) Someway, somehow, they're going to cost you, and it's going to keep costing you to use them. Sure email along with a few other apps will remain ad supported, but anything substantial will want your credit card. Finally, as Lashiec suggests, a WebOS is an "all ur data belong to us" situation that is not welcome. Governments already have access to phone and medical records, and with one stroke of the pen, they can gain access to any data I have locally or somewhere on one of Google's data farms.
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Living Room / Re: Copyright law explained with a simple drawing
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 12:49 PM »
Wow, that took a lot of work! Good find.
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Living Room / Re: Internet Crashed!
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 05:24 AM »
How the hell did that guy read that copy without busting out laughing! It was that damn 'Sexy Back' video!!
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General Software Discussion / Re: XP or Vista user — take the poll!
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 05:20 AM »
Good points, and as Berlind noted, your productivity doesn't increase under Vista, nor does your "computing experience" get measurably better. Although I've come to like Vista more than XP, it's my last Microsoft OS whether I use it for three years or ten years.
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Living Room / Re: DonationCoder Mentioned on O'Reilly XML.com
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 04:38 AM »
Wow, I'm impressed, and appreciate their feedback. One thing I need to explain better is OpenOffice's bibliography features using its database component. It seems Bruce D'Arcus is relying solely on Writer alone, which would be inadequate because it's not intended for such purpose. (Base is there, why not use it?) And as for Rick, if FrameMaker is a word processor, then almost anything could be considered one! By that reasoning, text editors should be included in a "word processor" review merely because they can generate a document filled with words. You might also include OneNote, since a single note can hold text the size of an average novel.

For anyone who's ever done a mega-review, you can't compare everything to everything. It's a matter of where you draw the line.  ;)

Jeliffe seems to make a good criticism about "the reviewer apparently believes that application features are disconnected from save formats." However, it is the format. If you're locked-in by any particular proprietary format, then you're data is inextricably linked to that specific word processor. Microsoft Word is by no means the only word processor in that review to have its own proprietary format as its word processor's native format, but there's no getting around the fact that MS-OOXML is a single-vendor format which to date has only been implemented in one proprietary product: Microsoft Office 2007. MS-OOXML is not interoperable, being dependent on the Microsoft platform while not functioning fully with non-Microsoft software. Why should I have to buy your word processor to read your document? On the other hand, if you're a Word 2007 user, you're forced to convert your MS-OOXML document into another format for others to access and read, assuming not all have Office 2007 on their systems.

I've made the comparison before, but imagine if, as a Windows user, you're forced to use Internet Explorer to surf the web, knowing that Internet Explorer only works with one proprietary operating system, and has its own way of rendering web pages. While that may have been fine in 1998, it's not today. Formats such as HTML, PHP, and CSS are independent of Microsoft, and no Microsoft product should dictate how I access — or with what browser I use to read — those formats.

Microsoft Word could easily run away with a features contest every time it if they used ODF, or even allowed ODF to be the native file format in Word 2007. But they went out and wrote that 6,000+ page monster called MS-OOXML, which is now being rejected by National Bodies around the globe (including the US last week) in its first round of comments before ISO. Also, none of the online word processors plan to support MS-OOXML as a file format in their future, which is a clarion call if there ever was one. Microsoft then claims that Word 2007 does so many great things that ODF couldn't possibly save all the incredible features that it provides. Yet it is Microsoft who pays for and sponsors (MCAN) an ODF translator for Office 2007. If MS-OOXML cannot be converted, then the several MS-OOXML-to-ODF translators now being written are all a hoax! And it follows that if MS-OOXML cannot be translated, then how could it become an international standard for office data?

You get the gist. For more, see Groklaw's Proprietizing Standards.
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Living Room / Copyright law explained with a simple drawing
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 04:24 AM »
Erik Heels drew a perfectly simple drawing for a child that explains copyright law (in the US).

copyr1011.jpg

Worth a thousand words, indeed.
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General Software Discussion / Re: XP or Vista user — take the poll!
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 04:15 AM »
And ComputerWorld has a great article on How to make Windows XP last for the next seven years:

Windows Vista may be shiny and brand new, but as plenty of PC users will tell you, sometimes newer isn't better.... We'll give you tips, tweaks and tricks so that you'll be able to keep XP running smoothly, at top performance, for smooth operation and long life.... we'll also show you how to get many of Vista's goodies, such as greatly improved security, transparent windows, Windows Flip 3D and the Network Map, all without having to spend the money to upgrade or get new hardware.

  • How long will Microsoft support XP?
  • Get Vista's security improvements in XP
  • Get Vista's eye candy in XP
  • Get other Vista goodies
  • Tweak XP settings for faster performance
  • Perform weekly maintenance for smooth operation
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General Software Discussion / Re: XP or Vista user — take the poll!
« Last post by zridling on July 24, 2007, 01:29 AM »
David Berlind has an interesting take on whether Windows 7 will even be relevant by 2010.
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Snip:
One reason that my productivity [in Vista] hasn’t improved much is that I find myself spending more and more time in my browser (accessing Web applications). Wordpress (as one example) is our platform of choice for publishing blogs and it’s all done in a browser. I hardly ever do any word processing any more and when I do, I do it with Google Docs because of how (1) I can access that document from anywhere, even without my computer and (2) how easy it is to share those documents with others. Banking? Done in my browser. Attendee tracking for Mashup Camp? Done in my browser. E-Mail? Not inlcuding corporate e-mail (for which a browser-based client — Outlook Web Access — exists), so much of what I do, I do it in a browser.... Unfortunately for Microsoft, it’s getting much tougher to win on the basis of browser differentiation. Especially when your browser only runs on one operating system.

My own take is if you believe Berlind that the OS will be web-centric, then this cedes an enormous advantage to GNU/Linux.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Maxthon 2 Released
« Last post by zridling on July 23, 2007, 03:31 PM »
With the complexity that composes any modern browser, I'm surprised we're not charged for them. I'm no longer a Maxthon user because by the time 2.0 final was released today, I'd long moved on. Eager to see how Maxthon fans like it.
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General Software Discussion / Re: XP or Vista user — take the poll!
« Last post by zridling on July 23, 2007, 03:27 PM »
Thanks app, that's a better explanation of the versions, since for some companies, version names overshadow numbers, particularly with OSes. Apple and Ubuntu go with animal names, for instance, while Windows often uses place names during development.
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General Software Discussion / XP or Vista user — take the poll!
« Last post by zridling on July 23, 2007, 01:36 PM »
If you're willing to hold out till 2010, Windows 7 will be here, but according to Microsoft's Pay-As-You-Go FlexGo plan, future versions will include Symantec-like subscription models, i.e., buy as much of the OS as you use or can afford, and expand the OS as needed.

win7report.jpg

On the other hand, shouldn't Windows 7 be Windows 11? I presume Microsoft is not counting 1, 2, 3, and ME.
               01. Windows 1.0
               02. Windows 2.0/2.1
               03. Windows 3.0/3.1
               04. Windows 95
               05. Windows 98
               06. Windows ME
               07. Windows NT
               08. Windows 2000
               09. Windows XP
               10. Windows Vista
               11. Windows 7
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General Software Discussion / Re: Windows Guy Tries Ubuntu
« Last post by zridling on July 22, 2007, 08:49 PM »
Lashiec, I think the value of sharing switching experiences is that they confirm what we all know — we tend to stay with what's comfortable, what we've mastered, and what we like. And this is true in every part of our lives, not just relative to software or gadgets. How many people who drive sports cars would permanently switch to driving a truck? How often do you change the brand of razor you use? Change your favorite sports team? Or shoes? etc.

When someone does make the switch, I'm naturally curious why, i.e., maybe they know something I don't. If I try it and don't share their experience, then I know it didn't interest me. There's a lot of folks like me looking to jump off the Microsoft wagon and give something else a try. I figure after more than 20 years on Windows and DOS, I've earned my chops and deserve to look at another OS for a while. Ironically, my experiences so far has given me a greater appreciation of Windows in some ways.

I'm not done learning Linux yet. But give me another year and I'll be informed enough to write some reasons not to switch to Linux. So far, I can't come close to ten! ;-)
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General Software Discussion / Re: Do you use 7-Zip files?
« Last post by zridling on July 22, 2007, 08:26 AM »
I still can't believe 7-Zip does not have a keyboard shortcut for "Extract." I've been writing and asking for that since version 2 and am flummoxed as to why [not].
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Okay, this is really cool.
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Developer's Corner / Lua programming language
« Last post by zridling on July 17, 2007, 06:36 PM »
The Lua Programming language "is a powerful, fast, light-weight, embeddable scripting language. Lua combines simple procedural syntax with powerful data description constructs based on associative arrays and extensible semantics. Lua is dynamically typed, runs by interpreting bytecode for a register-based virtual machine, and has automatic memory management with incremental garbage collection, making it ideal for configuration, scripting, and rapid prototyping."

lua.gif
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General Software Discussion / MS-OOXML Fails to Gain Approval in US
« Last post by zridling on July 16, 2007, 10:16 AM »
It's only strike one, but the first attempt to approve MS-OOXML for ISO certification on behalf of the US national body failed late last week. It's not over until it's really over, so be sure to read the comments to temper the headline, especially the parts on how Microsoft has worked overtime to pack the national bodies with its employees and business partners.
________________________________________________
In related news
ITworld.com - Microsoft OOXML spec "dangerously flawed"
"Microsoft’s Office Open XML (OOXML) document format specification is fatally flawed where it comes to spreadsheets, with many functions filled with careless errors, according to a critic."

V1 committee gives thumbs down to Open XML doc spec
"...a number of countries argued that the Open XML proposal conflicts and overlaps with a previously established standard -- ODF -- and is poorly written and technically unsound."

Standards Org Deals a Blow Against Microsoft's OOXML Format
"The group which recommends the way the U.S. votes on international technical standards failed to approve Microsoft's Open Office XML office document format."

Microsoft open XML standard faces setback
"Given that pressure from many companies and governments has pushed them to creating an open standard, they have been working to doing just that – the Microsoft way."

OOXML Denied INCITS V1 Approval
Among the obstacles vis-a-vis ODF, MS-OOXML faces:
    — MS-OOXML is controlled by one company, not a standards body.
    — Microsoft likes proprietary formats and has only gone the open format route because the market/industry forced them to do so.
    — Microsoft was invited several times to join the ODF standards committee and refused all invitations.
    — MS-OOXML is not actually open for anyone to implement: part of the specification references proprietary file formats (older ms-office formats)
             and proprietary, binary code interdependencies off-limits to anyone else.

And here's more, for argument's sake via the Free Software Foundation Europe:
http://www.noooxml.org/arguments
http://www.grokdoc.n...hp/EOOXML_objections
http://www.xmlopen.o...p/DIS_29500_Comments
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Oh, and be sure to visit FSFE's Six questions to national standardisation bodies page that housetier notes. Even if you're not interested in this issue, you should be if you intend to use MS Office. MS-OOXML is fine as a proprietary product specification, but not as an ISO standard, given its many flaws and proprietary interdependencies.

msooxml_small.png

Imagine standardizing HTML and CSS based on what IE6 is capable of. No thanks.
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Good find, housetier! Rob Wier uses an analogy and goes into further detail on this question. Rob takes Microsoft's argument to its logical conclusion:

interop1011.png
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General Software Discussion / Re: Windows Guy Tries Ubuntu
« Last post by zridling on July 16, 2007, 09:36 AM »
Whether you love or hate GNU/Linux; whether you love or hate Windows/or Microsoft, I just enjoy reading critically honest accounts of others' software experiences. Tom Baker's was informative, if for no other reason, he did it in real time.
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Living Room / Re: By the time you read this, Internet Radio will be dead
« Last post by zridling on July 15, 2007, 10:07 AM »
Thanks for the update, Carl. We'll have to follow up on this story to see how it ends.
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