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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: doPDF (pdf creator) - Freeware
« Last post by Dormouse on July 05, 2008, 03:11 AM »
i haven't checked but the download may still work as vunet normally won't remove the offered downloads immediately.
Immediately??? ;D - it's November 2006
Nova still give the registration info (needed as well as the download), but the download no longer works, although the page is there.
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Thanks for the PM. No need for apologies; different points of view being argued is good.

Also good to see that a simple(?) Linux question quickly led to a number of topics. Original question important and pertinent to many of us, so it is worth trying to stay on topic, but maybe worth starting other threads.
-Edvard link=topic=13917.msg119531#msg119531 date=1215099719Dormouse, apologies. (personal message sent)[/quote
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saying it's not grown-up or telling me that a few shiny buttons and menus can and should replace the Linux command line is like telling a seasoned NASCAR gearhead that he could improve his pit time if he installed an automatic transmission... >:(

I've never said that anyone should give up the command line, and I've never said it should be replaced. The command line has some advantages - but also some limitations - and a GUI has some different advantages.

I did say that a grown up OS needs a very good GUI. And it does. Without it, Linux development and software availability will stall. Just as it would if MS switched business models and made Windows entirely free or open source in the next year or two.

You attacked GUI use  AND GUI USERS with the quote from linuxcommand.org -
from LinuxCommand.org
Graphical user interfaces (GUIs) are helpful for many tasks, but they are not good for all tasks. I have long felt that most computers today do not use electricity. They instead seem to be powered by the "pumping" motion of the mouse! Computers were supposed to free us from manual labor, but how many times have you performed some task you felt sure the computer should be able to do? You ended up doing the work by tediously working the mouse. Pointing and clicking, pointing and clicking.

I once heard an author remark that when you are a child you use a computer by looking at the pictures. When you grow up, you learn to read and write. Welcome to Computer Literacy 101. Now let's get to work.
and this is symptomatic of an attitude that used to put a lot of people off Linux (and still does). As if only drivers with cars maintained by NASCAR mechanics using their currently preferred technologies are good enough to be allowed on the main roads. I'll not continue this discussion in this thread to avoid going further OTT. Happy to continue in another thread if necessary.
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The closest thing that comes to it would be.. Find and Run Robot :) (even though it isn't that much similar.. lol :P)
Absolutely :) . And one of the reasons I don't use FARR.  ;)
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i wouldn't say it's a bad thing to use the command line.
I don't think it is a bad thing to use it, and it will always suit some people best. And there's a number of things you can do much more efficiently with a command line - as long as you have memorised the commands.

What I would say though is that the choice is a matter of preference and style, most people have proved they prefer a good GUI by the choices they made/make, a GUI does have some advantages over a command line and that the Linux GUIs still have a bit of a way to go. There won't be an equivalent number of good programs in Linux until the user base is there, and that won't happen until everything can be done well through a GUI.
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Please, if you do one thing to flatten your learning curve in Linux, learn to use the command-line tools. The gui tools that exist are easier for new users, but you're missing out on so much power...
from LinuxCommand.org
Graphical user interfaces (GUIs) are helpful for many tasks, but they are not good for all tasks. I have long felt that most computers today do not use electricity. They instead seem to be powered by the "pumping" motion of the mouse! Computers were supposed to free us from manual labor, but how many times have you performed some task you felt sure the computer should be able to do? You ended up doing the work by tediously working the mouse. Pointing and clicking, pointing and clicking.

I once heard an author remark that when you are a child you use a computer by looking at the pictures. When you grow up, you learn to read and write. Welcome to Computer Literacy 101. Now let's get to work.

I know this is one of the last refuges of commandliners in Windows, but this is complete nonsense in a grown-up OS.

The command line is fastest if you always have your hands on the keyboard and if you have learned all the commands and if you are a very accurate typist. If the command line were better for most people and uses, neither the Mac nor Windows would exist.

I am a fast and accurate typist and I know (knew?) a lot of commands going back to mainframes, CP/M, DOS etc but there is no way I would switch back. I always had to read and look things up in manuals. If I misremembered a command I had to look to see if there was a typo, whether I had slightly misremembered the spelling of a command etc. etc. Now on Windows, and to some extent on Linux, I can load a new program and be using it reasonably well in a few minutes; just using the help to answer questions about what it can and cannot do. Speed on a keyboard is no match for a mouse, dictation software and a spare hand for sorting through papers etc.

OTOH, I wouldn't argue that some use of the command line is necessary with Linux as is - but that is NOT a good thing.
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I use Linux and Windows. I use the software that suits me best. I have no masochistic tendencies, so I'm surely not going to use stuff that doesn't work so well because it will be 'good' for me (or someone else). I dual boot, use VMs, use Wine etc. I expect to switch to Linux more or completely in a few years - but only if the software is there. I won't be switching to Vista (bar the one laptop I have it on). But I may switch to its successor if it is really better than XP. Especially if it brings a really good touch interface and touchscreen prices tumble; don't expect that till at least a version later though.

What I am doing is building up experience of progs that work well under XP & Linux and looking for alternatives to my favourite Windows programs. I think there is still a very long way to go for most power users (in any field) and games players.
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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: MyLife Organized (updated review for v2)
« Last post by Dormouse on July 01, 2008, 06:41 PM »
Did you check the latest filtering, that was added with version 2? I can't think of what more could be added (except perhaps as above with the extra info, maybe it might take more steps than TDL, not sure).


Yes, I did. Still nowhere near TLD. And the latest alphas push that even further.
So I always think "attractive but not efficient, don't buy".

I also tested TDL few times, it's very good, but I couldn't stand it GUI-wise.
I do understand that, and felt similarly. But it is so configurable. And, in use, being able to have everything on a single screen is just so much more efficient than alternative approaches. Though that only makes a difference if you are using a lot of the features for each task.
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I do use the handwriting recognition; especially text with photos. Kids use it when they copy other people's notes. Would be sensible for them to scan their own notes and use it to search them too.

I think the EN 2.2 vs EN 3 issue is overdone. It is particularly disappointing that they shifted the product to something less powerful and useful for many of us - but that doesn't mean that EN has no use at all; I suspect that a lot of the grief is the discovery that we have been cut off from the path into the future that we felt we had been led to expect. The change has caused me to reduce my usage of both, but that might just be while I consider what sort of workflow I will move to. I use OneNote, but don't see it as competing with either EN; and I suspect I will use EN3 differently to EN2.2 (and I won't use 2.2 for anything important long term because it is basically dead). I also bought a license to UR in the most recent BitsDuJour reduction. I will see how it goes, but it is not beyond possibility that I'll use all 4.
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WordPress doesn't have a clipper.

And, of course, if you do have a website, there's any number of ways of storing stuff on the web. But clippers are convenient.
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Living Room / Re: Opera 9.5
« Last post by Dormouse on June 29, 2008, 06:39 PM »
I always upgrade to final versions and install betas in separate directories, and I've never had any of the reported problems.

Suggests a complex interaction between particular systems and particular webpages and Opera (and other browsers too?).
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Have you considered basket? I've not tried it myself, but its on my list of options to look at for when I am spending more time in Linux?

Though, looking at the website, it doesn't look as if it clips webpages directly.
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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: MyLife Organized (updated review for v2)
« Last post by Dormouse on June 27, 2008, 04:16 AM »
I have tried MLO on a fair number of occasions, and agree that v2 looks like a reasonable upgrade. It does seem pretty solid and the PDA sync seems to work well. I've been tempted to buy it every time I see it here at a substantial discount.

But then I ask myself whether I will actually use it. And I think of ToDoList. Entering all the parameters of a task on MLP is quite a long winded process. On TDL it is all on one screen. And the search and filter abilities are much better. No proper PDA prog or sync, though. So I always think "attractive but not efficient, don't buy". And I couldn't even start to be tempted at the normal price; might be different if I needed the PDA sync much more.
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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: GemX Crazy Summer Specials
« Last post by Dormouse on June 23, 2008, 04:30 AM »
I fully understand everyone's response to poor communication and the removal of the forums. If there are bugs/problems forums are an invaluable method for users to exchange info about how to circumvent/solve them even if there is no development or bug fixing going on. And useful for other uses and ways of working. And if the program is a key one, you cannot do with poor quality support.

That said, it seemed worth it to me, so I went ahead and bought a license ( :o :-[ :-\ ). License code arrived almost immediately. Still haven't had a response to my email about the 6 day trial. Still haven't managed to exchange info with my PDA (though DO can tell me the OS & battery state :huh:).
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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: GemX Crazy Summer Specials
« Last post by Dormouse on June 22, 2008, 04:38 AM »
Thanks Beth, that's very helpful. :Thmbsup:

I wouldn't use it for anything I needed to rely on and generally prefer to use programs that do one thing, but I have really been struggling to find a time efficient way of managing a lot of 'minor' day-to-day stuff. Feeling pushed towards Outlook just as an easy (?! :huh:) way of moving stuff between programs I do like and desktop & PDA.

Do-Organizer seems to work fast on my machine and all the components can be linked (though I can't say I'm thrilled by the methodology here), so I feel as if I can use it for the minor stuff (reams of it) and just use the other programs for the more important, must have all the details present and correct, stuff.
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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: GemX Crazy Summer Specials
« Last post by Dormouse on June 22, 2008, 04:04 AM »
I read the other thread and it intrigued me enough to download do-Organizer.

I wouldn't use it to replace programs I rely on, but as a quick way of doing a lot of things I want to link it seems very promising. Clearly some casual programming still going on - my 60 day trial only gives me 6 days  ;D - but if the program works well enough (and I can get more out of it than I can by using other programs), I don't mind if development has stalled and support is poor.

What does trouble me though are the frequent references to bugs. If the bugs are things that don't work as they should, then I can cope with that. However, if they produce instability in the program that is another matter.

All the info in the old forum seems to have disappeared, so I was wondering if anyone can say whether the program is made unstable by the bugs or whether there is anywhere better to look for info.
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General Software Discussion / Re: GemX - missing in action
« Last post by Dormouse on June 21, 2008, 03:27 AM »
Fascinating thread. I came here from the new GemX discount thread and was intrigued enough to download and install DO.

From the thread and website, I would have to say that it is looking a bit like endoflife ware trying to wring the last bit of cash out of the embers of their remaining energy. I saw no sign on the website that the current (apparently reduced) prices were a sale or available for a limited period. I did notice that the 60 day trial only licensed it for 6 days; I've sent them an email, and it will be interesting to see if I get a response.

I do have a lot of experience of developers going missing in action (as we all do). Frequently terminally, sometimes in spasms. Seems to happen to payware, shareware and freeware alike. I do have a certain amount of sympathy; overall income is frequently not that great and never guaranteed, real work is needed to keep things going, and when real life (in any form) intrudes it is the program, its support or community that has to give. I assume that it is the desire and hope that things can be got back on track tomorrow/next week and reluctance to accept or make public the truth that causes the lack of communication. I'm not sure that big companies are really any better, and still remember my irritation when Informix abandoned Wingz.

vizacc's comments on libraries etc really reflects my own (indirect) experience. It seems to me that a lot of programmers start to run into a deadend when their programming environment stops developing as needed and they have to spend more and more of their time trying to code around the deficiencies of their environment/libraries. They really need to start again from scratch, but quite a few years have been sunk into what they have, the program has got very complex in its current incarnation, they have lost the initial buzz and energy, real life has reduced the time available and the community is probably bugging them for improvements. I think Tranglos' description of why he stopped with Keynote is a good description of a situation that many developers end up in.

Of the programs mentioned here, quite a long time ago now, it is interesting to see that Nighthawk is still not out, that Helpmaker 8 is still not out (still development in 7.3 though), and that Yagoon Time/Calimanjaro seems to have been endoflife ware for a long time. SQLnotes, of course, proceeds apace.

In this thread, I notice a lot of enthusiasm for DO as a vision and a lot of references to its being buggy and the bugs not being tackled. Most people seemed to be saying that they were moving away from it because of the lack of support or future rather than the bugs though. A few people said they'd keep on using it because it worked well enough and there was nothing else like it. Having a quick look, I can see the attraction. I certainly would not risk long-term data in it, but I can see that it does a lot of things and might help me not have to use Outlook. It would not replace TreeDBnotes or TheBat! or ToDoList, though it might do instead of Calimanjaro. The lack of development does not really bother me if the program works well enough now; I'm quite used to working around bugs (though the loss of the bug reports that must have been available in the Forum is a sacrilege in my view) and despite all the programs I have, I probably don't have a question for support from anyone more than once a year or so.

Of course, I would need more than 6 days to try it out  ;D
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Best E-mail Client / Re: Seriously, what is MicroEd good for?
« Last post by Dormouse on June 19, 2008, 02:46 PM »
Realised I could, but never wanted to. Never thought about it. That's the way some programs work. Not an issue. Never took in the name. I don't tend to pay attention to details like that unless I find it hard to make a program do what I want.
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Best E-mail Client / Re: Seriously, what is MicroEd good for?
« Last post by Dormouse on June 19, 2008, 12:18 PM »
I knew nothing about MicroED. Reading the thread led me to believe it came with The Bat!. When I check The Bat!, I find that I have enabled MicroED and have been using it all the time. Don't think I have ever used any of these specialised functions though. And never had any caret or mouse problems.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Do we need a Linux and/or Mac child board?
« Last post by Dormouse on June 15, 2008, 06:33 AM »
When I switched to Linux last fall, I cut down my visits here quite a bit because there didn't seem to be much interest in Linux around these parts. I still use XP (running in VirtualBox) for a lot of programs, but most of the little utilities I use are now Linux, not Windows and I did not think there would be much interest here in those.
I use Windows and Linux extensively, and it has always seemed to me that there is a general interest in all options on all the OSs. And, from that point of view, I do prefer not splitting into OS specific areas. And an increasing number of utilities are cross platform.

The one possible exception would be software. I think all current software is Windows based - and if there were any for other OSs it would be best in its own area. And the facility for that already seems to exist.
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Living Room / Re: ASUS eee PC - Any owner?
« Last post by Dormouse on June 14, 2008, 05:19 AM »
Yes -- I've been waiting for "version 2" ever since the first eee was released. 

 the market should be overflowing with me-too products any day now, so there's always the outside chance that someone else will come up with something better.

Eee 901 about to be on sale. And lots of me-too products announced.

I'm really tempted by the idea (in my mind), but I'm not so sure about the actual products. If I am out and about, I'm not likely to want to use it for a long time on any one occasion, but will want to check things and write things quickly. This means that I want:-
  • Instant startup (rather like the old Amiga/Atari ST)
  • Reasonable size screen (ie quite a bit bigger than a PDA) - all these seem to have a big enough screen
  • Ability to read common document and image formats
  • A text editor/WP
  • A keyboard where proper typing is possible
  • Reasonable communications (ability to network + usb port quite sufficient)
  • Cheap (announced price ranges OK)

Lots of other stuff would be nice but not essential. Touch screen would be good. I don't care about the OS. It seems to me that the things mostly sell on the form factor and the price and otherwise are just the same as other computers. Its the bootup and load times that are critical for me. I suppose I could cope with 15 seconds; I suppose I could find a small fast loading Linux distro and tweak it for the Eee (though maybe not), but it seems to me that this should really be a simple consumer product that just works - like a mobile phone.
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Living Room / Re: Opera 9.5
« Last post by Dormouse on June 13, 2008, 05:06 AM »
I love this quote from theregister's review - Opera has been racing to release the latest version of its desktop browser. No guesses why. For the first time since 2003, Mozilla's FireFox looks like a modern browser, and not a skinnable memory heap testing tool.
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Word Processor Roundup / Re: Textmaker (Softmaker/Ashampoo Office) 2008
« Last post by Dormouse on June 05, 2008, 01:56 PM »
I have a licence for the suitie already,
Of course  ;)
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General Software Discussion / Re: SQLNotes...what is it exactly?
« Last post by Dormouse on June 04, 2008, 01:17 PM »
Rather long and tedious for others here, I thought.

Are you sure you have read this thread?
Nothing to do with SQLnotes can be too long or tedious for us.  :)
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My name is Mike and I am a software addict...

I'm running all three on a notebook with a 120GB harddrive..

Well, I'm surprised that you can fit all your software into 120GB. ;)
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