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Living Room / Re: Hilarious DailyWTF
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 01:41 PM »
Oh... my... doyc.

Re #1, am I the only one thinking the gene pool needs a truckload of chlorine?
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Living Room / Re: CPU Question: More Mhz per core or more cores?
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 01:34 PM »
For disk imaging, I use Paragon's Virtualization Manager 2010 - it was cheap, and even handles converting between virtual machine disk images and The Real Deal, it can be v2p OS fixups, it can defragment disk images, partition resizing et cetera. Really nice piece of software :)
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Living Room / Re: 3Tb Drives are Here! That's 500,000 songs. Enough yet?
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 01:32 PM »
If you sit down and watch each and every still frame of your movie, spending several seconds analyzing each one, you'll sure see a lot of difference - the compression algorithm isn't magically ~7x better (oh, and the size is going to be larger for 1080p, I'm used to 720p :-[).

Thing is, when you watch a movie, you aren't spending several seconds per frame - iirc BluRay runs at ~24fps. So yes, while you do lose some information, you're unlikely to notice it while the movie is running. I'm the kind of guy that rips my music collection to FLAC instead of lossy formats, but for the most part I'm perfectly happy watching movies in 720p x264 rips. For my viewing distance and TV (a 1080p 32" Sony), the result is very nice :)
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Living Room / Re: Never Defragment an SSD ?
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 01:24 PM »
That's true. But I think that the scales are different. Disc blocks are relatively big. We're not talking about defragging at the byte scale.
Defragging is never done at the byte scale, and not even at the sector scale - so yes, relatively large chunks (for my NTFS filesystems, generally 4kb clusters).

Even if a file has hundreds of fragments, it's not going to make any noticeable (or probably even measurable) difference in the overall access times.
Do you know this to be true? Have you measured it? For every possible combination of SSD firmware, file fragmentation level, and application + access pattern? :)

Not all applications are good at doing proper I/O. On my system partition, excluding .log files which are truly hopeless, I see stuff like a ~14meg file in 739 fragments, the 11.2meg installer for paint.net in 316 fragments, the 1.2meg Internet Explorer cache index in 71 fragments, et cetera.

And keep in mind that those would be cluster-size fragments, which are might be located very differently on the SSD because it deals with erase-block-size blocks :)
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Living Room / Re: Never Defragment an SSD ?
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 01:17 PM »
So apposed to what is normally (IDE/SCSI/SATA) perceived as a defrag. - accounting for the hardware lieing - Wouldn't that really just be somewhere between damage control and a placebo effect?
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Yup, all the decent SSDs do remapping in order to improve lifetime. But that's not the only stuff they do - there's a lot going on in SSD firmwares (I believe some of them are using fully-fledged ARM7 cores). OCZ, for instace, does compression of blocks to achieve some speedup. Writes are cached and combined so blocks don't have to be needlessly erased multiple times, and there might be predictive read-ahead going on...

So, we can all sit down and guess what the firmware does and make nice half-assed guesses to what it does for performance, but benchmarks show that there's quite a difference in speed between doing sequential reads/write as opposed to scattered smaller I/O.

This will translate to a performance difference for fragmented filesystems - how much it matters is debatable, and I haven't seen anybody doing a benchmark of it (it's a pretty darn hard thing to set up for a realistic real-world scenario), but my personal guess is that it's a small enough problem that I'm definitely not defragmenting my SSDs... and if I notice performance dropping, I'll be doing the above-mentioned disk imaging based "defragment".
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Living Room / Re: CPU Question: More Mhz per core or more cores?
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 01:06 PM »
Okay, so disable/move the pagefile, double check to make sure defrag is disabled on the SSD. Any other Windows 7 tweaks I can/should do?
None I can remember off top of my head - Win7 disables the "last access time" timestamp by default, otherwise that would've been important to turn off.


Yes, I read the review. The Vertex2 did worse than the A-DATA on many of the tests. The A-DATA did very well on many tests but also did very poorly on some of the others.
It might've done a bit better in some of the sequential tests, but those aren't all that relevant for SSDs; OTOH, it drops to ~10mb/s in the tests that matter... while this is still a lot faster than the ~100kb/s you'll get from a HDD in the same tests, it's a lot worse than all the decent SSDs on the market. Also, this could mean the drive isn't very good at combining it's writes, resulting in eating up it's limited amount of erase-cycles faster than other drives.

Also, to swap it out would mean dealing with RMA, paying return shipping, and waiting longer for the other drive to arrive.
I sometimes forget just how nice legislation we have here in .dk (or perhaps it's .eu?) - when ordering online, we have full 14-day money-back no-questions-asked because we when shopping online, one "isn't able to inspect the product before buying" :)

I still haven't figured out a way to safely move the User directory to another drive, and that's the directory that a lot of stuff is stored in these days.
You'll want to keep the main Users folder on the SSD, since that's where stuff like the registry hive files are located - they benefit from the fast random I/O.
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Living Room / Re: 3Tb Drives are Here! That's 500,000 songs. Enough yet?
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 12:50 PM »
I put a Blu-ray burner in my desktop for optical backups.
What, there's still people using optical media for backups? O_o

I see a lot of SOHO/SMBs doing optical backups ... I've yet to see any of them do a successful restore...
Exactly.

But if you think about it, backing up a bluray disc will be about 50GB.  So a 3TB drive will <only> hold 60 bluray movies.
Convert to mkv/x264 and you're down to ~8gig apop with very little visible quality loss - if your main reason is backups and ease of use, that's good enough, and you can store the original discs in a safe and humidity-controlled environment :)
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Living Room / Re: 3Tb Drives are Here! That's 500,000 songs. Enough yet?
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 07:31 AM »
I put a Blu-ray burner in my desktop for optical backups.
What, there's still people using optical media for backups? O_o
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Why do you need 2.0.0.2202 specifically?

The project is hosted here, and 2.0.0.2705 available.
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DC Gamer Club / Re: Minecraft - An Incredible Indie Game
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 04:23 AM »
Ah, I love Yathzee.

Hadn't seen the minecraft review until now, and yeah - it's obvious he likes the game. The review was hilarious and true, and it made me laugh out more than a loud a couple of times. Yes, MC is the kind of game where you look at the wallclock after playing for a few minutes, and realize 9 hours have went past :)
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Living Room / Re: Never Defragment an SSD ?
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 04:12 AM »
I'm not sure he's entirely correct in saying the following:
Reading adjacent blocks of data is no faster than reading blocks that are spread out over the drive. Fragmentation does not affect SSD drive speed.
If you look at benchmarks, all the SSDs have different speed characteristics when dealing with linear reads/writes compared to scattered smaller I/O. It can matter a lot for writes, but also matters for reads.

I agree fully that defragmenting SSDs is a bad idea, because of the limited amount of erase-cycles of the flash cells. It might make sense to defragment individual files if they're heavily fragmented; you'd do that by moving the file to another drive (on a mechanical disk, prefarably), then moving it back to the SSD (using a tool that tries to allocate the entire chunk contiguously).

Also, I see a guy in the comments recommending a single defrag after you installed all your apps. Don't do that - if you want the SSD defragged, start by installing to a mechanical disk, defrag that, and move the install to the SSD using, for instance, Paragon Virtualization Manager.

Similarly, if your SSD ends up heavily fragmented, create a disk image of it to a mechanical drive, defrag that image, do a single-pass wipe of the SSD (to let the drive know all sectors blocks are blank, useful for the reallocation algorithms), then transfer the defragged image back.
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Living Room / Re: CPU Question: More Mhz per core or more cores?
« Last post by f0dder on February 17, 2011, 04:03 AM »
Okay, all the parts arrived today, so if I made some poor choices with the PSU and the SSD, then too bad, so sad, my bad.
Meh, does that include the A-DATA SSD? Did you read the review I posted a link to? You'd do yourself a favor to get that SSD swapped for a Vertex2.

but if there's a good reason for having 4 partitions (the max for a mechanical drive AFAIK)
There can only be 4 MBR partition slots per drive, but that's why "logical" partitions were invented - long story short, you can have a lot more than 4. Not much reason to go crazy, though. You might want to do a partition on the SSD for OS+Apps and the rest for "my documents", but that's only to make windows reinstalls a bit easier - if you want to make your sister's life easier, go with a single partition :)

I agree with disabling the pagefile, although if you want to be really safe, just move it to the 2TB HDD instead. And you'll want to make sure automatic defrag is disabled for the SSD - Win7 should do that automatically, but check to be sure. Don't turn off SuperFetch or the indexing service.
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General Software Discussion / Re: IE9 Release Candidate...Released
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 06:10 PM »
How many of those HTML 5 "standard features" are finalized standards?
Is anything from HTML5 "finalized standards"?

It's about getting on the bandwagon and implementing as much of the current standard as possible. It's nice that MS are doing important things wrt. security and speed, and claiming they're aiming for standard compatibility... but...
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Living Room / Re: PORTAL 2 AVAILABLE NOW FOR PRE-ORDER
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 05:27 PM »
We have a PS3? I knew I was a bit distant at times. But this is getting ridiculous!
I've got another set of brothers as well, remember? :)
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Living Room / Re: Minecraft: As explained by XKCD
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 11:41 AM »
* f0dder runs around in circles chanting "Josh is one-big fail-ure! Josh is one-big fail-ure!"
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Living Room / Re: Mac Games
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 11:08 AM »
That was... pretty strange.

And loads of fun ^_^
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Living Room / Re: Minecraft: As explained by XKCD
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 11:07 AM »
JOSH FAILS! EPIC!
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Living Room / Re: Can anybody recommend a free XML to PDF or RTF converter?
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 04:44 AM »
XSLT and FOP is useful for presenting (structured) data, generated elsewhere, not being produced/modified from a wordprocessor or something like it. So you're correct in selecting (LaTeX/Any document management system) for maintaining your docs.
I just don't really like the LaTeX syntax or the toolset (it doesn't feel "natural" on Windows), and DocBook sounds decent - but when I see it mentioned, it's almost always also involving xslt and fop :/
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Living Room / Re: CPU Question: More Mhz per core or more cores?
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 04:19 AM »
I managed to find a review of the a-data drive, and given that I'd definitely stay away from it - it's random-write performance sucks.

Also, a thing to keep in mind with SSDs is that larger capacity (given the same model) tends to mean faster speed, especially with regards to linear reads/writes. This is because flash chips are relatively slow, and to get decent speeds multiple flash chips are striped together. Larger capacity = more chips :)
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Living Room / Re: CPU Question: More Mhz per core or more cores?
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 03:49 AM »
Also, for the PSU: I've never heard of Rosewill. But one thing about PSUs: stable voltages are craploads more important than wattage. Even my quadcore/8gig/GF460/2x10k-rpm-raptor drives doesn't go above ~275W under full CPU+GPU load.
How can you tell what PSUs will have stable voltages and which ones don't?
Read zillions of reviews - alternatively, go for a reputable brand name and cross your fingers :)

If you have the choice between <some_good_brand> 500W and <something_unknown> 700W, the safest bet would be the 500W IMHO. As far as I can tell, the GPU you've chosen is relatively low-end... The GTX460 in my system is mid-end, but even that doesn't have über high power requirements. I don't see how you'll need a 700W PSU if you're not running multiple GPUs in SLI and a zillion harddrives :)
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Living Room / Re: CPU Question: More Mhz per core or more cores?
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 03:23 AM »
DON'T worry about those über-high speeds, they're relatively irrelevant - since you only reach those levels when doing sequential reads and writes. Not super relevant for devices with small amounts of storage... and where SSDs (are supposed to) shine are for random scattered I/O. Problem with some of the cheaper SSDs is that they SUCK at scattered writes. I'd happily trade 50+ MB/s of sequential performance for better scattered I/O performance.

A big plus for OCZ is that, after anandtech bitched enough, they sacrificed sequential performance for better random I/O, even though it gave worse marketing numbers. I've got a 120gig Vertex2 in my laptop, and it's quite lovely :)

Also, for the PSU: I've never heard of Rosewill. But one thing about PSUs: stable voltages are craploads more important than wattage. Even my quadcore/8gig/GF460/2x10k-rpm-raptor drives doesn't go above ~275W under full CPU+GPU load.
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Living Room / Re: CPU Question: More Mhz per core or more cores?
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 03:04 AM »
Hm, never heard of A-DATA SSDs before - but iirc the controller used (JMF616) isn't überhot. What's the price diff between the A-DATA and an OCZ Vertex2? If you go SSD, you gotta pick a proper one, or you might as well stick with a mechanical drive.
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Living Room / Re: Can anybody recommend a free XML to PDF or RTF converter?
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 02:49 AM »
Slightly OT, but still related: I've been wanting to look into DocBook for the next school project, because frankly .doc sucks when you're collaborating and doing more than ~50 pages. But all the XSLT and FOP stuff is disheartening, looks like it's easier to go for LaTeX :/
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Living Room / Re: Show us the View Outside Your Window
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 02:41 AM »
Christ, 4wd, how'd that happen? :)
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Living Room / Re: PORTAL 2 AVAILABLE NOW FOR PRE-ORDER
« Last post by f0dder on February 16, 2011, 02:40 AM »
I'm going to have to confiscate my brothers' PS3, methinks.
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