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General Software Discussion / Google joins the fight!
« Last post by Josh on March 11, 2009, 12:07 PM »
In its first statement in response to Microsoft's decision announced over the weekend to enable Windows 7 users to deactivate and/or uninstall Internet Explorer 8 after the operating system's setup installs it, a spokesperson for Google, which makes the Chrome browser, told Betanews overnight that not only should Windows users be given the option to choose their browsers during setup, but to do so every time they turn their machines on.

"We have not yet been able to see the planned new features of Internet Explorer but are looking forward to examining them when they are released. The Internet was founded on choice and openness and this requires a level playing field with multiple options for accessing it. From the moment a computer is turned on, people should be able to access a range of browsers easily and quickly," the spokesperson stated.

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Quite frankly, If I have to choose each and every time I boot my PC what browser I want to use, as google suggests, then I clearly think google needs to re-evaluate the software market and look at just how a computer operating system works. This is getting ludicrous. It's like the others are whining because they don't have an OS to include their own browser in by default. Microsoft makes Windows, Microsoft makes IE, they should be able to bundle both together as they deem fit.
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AR 9.1 released. And it still launches almost instantly after a fresh reboot. Guess I am just not affected by all of the "bloat"
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Agreed. The ACID test would be a great tool and yes the reason it isn't important for MODERN sites is due to MS. I just don't think you can use a single test as a way to say "I am compliant". Why not just use the validator provided by the w3c? It can check your code and make sure it is up to par.

Another issue arises with third party scripting languages like JS, PHP and the like. some of those can be tricked into passing wrong data to the server thus returning exploitable web addresses or code to the user.
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f0dder: I agree, there are a large number of exploits targetting IE, as you point out due to market share as said in another post. The problem is, a lot of these are played out to be far more serious. Yes, they should be marked as serious, but from my experiences, very few people are actually affected by the exploits that sites like secunia or securityadvisor claim as "critical". The last time I was hit by a windows exploit was the blaster worm, and that was patched in 2 minutes time.

And then the standards question, if we are talking actual STANDARDS then yes I agree. If we are talking passing the ACID# test, then I disagree. The acid test, while good in a test environment, is not valid for every day in the wild browsing.

And yes, I fully agree that all browsers should have a "dropped privilege" mode.
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I haven't had a single malware issue that wasn't due to a user just clicking "install". That is not IE's fault. IE provides a mechanism which provides great functionality. What we really need, rather than removing IE from Windows, is to educate the userbase so they know better. That is what I do and 9 times out of 10, I never have the same user back for the same problem.
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Ray, what is getting IE off going to do? Do you know how many people that would confuse and annoy than it would help anything? Sure us techies would be good to go, but then the average consumer would be raped by companies like best buy and other services which would then charge users for a service call when they cannot "open the internet". Microsoft should be free to include IE in IT's product. They made it a part of the OS and it has proven that a good majority actually enjoy the functionality that this allows.

And as for deo, yes, I agree. Firefox isn't worried about making public statements and showing how superior their products are, rather improving the core and letting it go from there. Firefox had one massive publicity push while opera has tried numerous stunts like the infamous "I will swim the channel if we get so many downloads" stunt.
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Geek.menu! Great find!
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General Software Discussion / Re: Foxit Reader Multiple Vulnerabilities
« Last post by Josh on March 10, 2009, 04:04 PM »
Good thing I didn't make a quick switch due to vulnerabilities that were originally thought to be adobe only!
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Over the weekend, Microsoft revealed that in its latest private beta build of Windows 7, it will allow users to uninstall the Internet Explorer 8 Web browser front end -- a choice it has never offered to consumers since version 3.0. The fact that since 1996, the presence of IE in Windows was elevated to such an extent that users could not completely uninstall it, nor could they ever entirely avoid it, has been credited by many as the real reason for Microsoft being perceived as having won the browser war against Netscape.

While Microsoft credits "user feedback" as having driven the need for this feature -- or actually, something like this feature but maybe more up-front -- the truth is, users have been supplying that feedback now for more than a decade. Most likely, it was the European Commission's latest objection which finally drove Microsoft to institute what some are seeing as the first crack in the dam. But is it enough to let any light break through for the other browser manufacturers desperate to gain more than a toehold on the Windows desktop?

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Am I the only one who is growing tired of opera's whining? Opera is a fantastic piece of software, but come on.
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You know, I love threads like this. Please hear me out.

Everytime a company starts out, they have an idea people like. When the idea catches on, they add the features that are requested by the major users of the product. After doing such, many of the smaller people jump ship and complain about bloat. This has happened to windows, this happened to symantec, this happened to adobe, and this happened to pretty much any company that made it big.

I understand the logic in that people want a product to stay small, but for a product to grow and catch new users, the developers have to add the features that are called for. Adobe reader is a fantastic product. I own, and just renewed actually, a license to several foxit products including the reader pro pack and pdf editor. While foxit's products are nice for portability, they do not hold a candle in usability when compared to adobe's products. Yes, adobe has been hit with an onslaught of vulnerabilities lately, but the issue lies deeper than adobe "not trying to find them" or "not filtering the code so they never existed in the first place".

There are only a finite amount of resources available for most companies R&D and testing departments. Beta testing helps alleviate this but it does not find everything. Adobe seems to have received lots of ridicule on this very site for the bugs that have been found. Would it have been nice if they were caught prior to this? Of course. The problem lies in that every piece of software is developed by man. Man is by nature fallible. As such, the software created by a fallible being is in and of itself fallible. How any person can sit and say "With a staff this large they should have caught these bugs" is laughable. There are millions upon millions of configurations that adobe and the beta test team simply cannot account for.

There is a reason Apple has made their software installable on only a limited amount of hardware. If apple had the same amount of hardware to support, they would have the same issues. The issue is not microsoft product centric, it just falls that way because A. Apple controls very tightly what hardware their products will install on without hacking, B. Linux is not supported by many major manufacturers minus the server side because it, in all reality, is not a feasible product for enterprise-wide deployment on a desktop scale, and C. Microsoft, like it or not, is the largest software company in the world and it's products are capable of supporting an infinite number of platform configurations. Microsoft has catered to what it's users want which is an OS which can install on any platform and perform a variety of tasks out of the box. Many of the problems we are seeing in many of these products relate to features which are either new, or very often not utilized as often as people proclaim.

So please, I ask for people to stop saying "Switch to XXX" whenever a vulnerability appears. Switching will not solve anything because as soon as that product makes it big, it will turn into every other product out there. Time has shown this to be definite and inevitable for any software manufacturer which makes it big. Let's focus on helping these companies detect and fix these issues in a timely manner rather than abandoning them because of a few flaws which, in well over half of the cases, never affect anything more than half a percent of the population.
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Living Room / Re: NIN Coming to Kansas City
« Last post by Josh on March 09, 2009, 11:48 AM »
NIN Doesn't hold a candle to metallica, korn, or disturbed when it comes to stage shows.
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Visual Basic 6? Scancode, should I laugh at you now?
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General Software Discussion / Re: VMWare Workstation 6 released today!!
« Last post by Josh on March 03, 2009, 01:38 PM »
No, just you mousey ;-)
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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me back up a virus infected CD (!)
« Last post by Josh on March 03, 2009, 08:36 AM »
It can also shut off your cable modem's fan and cause it to overheat while stealing your cat and making your teeth and air conditioner act up!
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Living Room / Re: Sony 35% software/products discount.
« Last post by Josh on March 03, 2009, 07:50 AM »
But wait, don't DRM advocates claim sony is the devil (Despite the fact that I have never once been harmed or seen anyone I know harmed by any of it)?
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Mousey, for my 1700th post, I wanted to do it in such a manner that I could get you for those names. This presents me the perfect opportunity. Admitting you have a problem is half the battle or as said by G.I. Joe "Knowing is half the battle". Good for you for coming out of the closet on your naming conventions :) I still wait for Find and Run Help+Spell Robot Tamer v2.0.167 beta 2 alpha 1. When is that due out?
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General Software Discussion / Re: What's your mouse of choice?
« Last post by Josh on February 25, 2009, 07:37 PM »
This is my mouser of choice. It's one of a kind and there are none better. :Thmbsup:

I beg to differ.
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Living Room / Re: Should I switch from Dreamhost?
« Last post by Josh on February 22, 2009, 06:16 PM »
Dreamhost also offers that one-click install. They even have the option now where they manage the upgrades, although you cannot touch the config files, but other than that the maintenance is very minimal on those installs.
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Living Room / Re: Should I switch from Dreamhost?
« Last post by Josh on February 22, 2009, 04:39 PM »
I am in love with dreamhost. Their support team is very responsive and their services have never caused me any issues.

BTW Tinjaw, WHY ARE YOU NEVER ON IRC!!!
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Coding Snacks / Re: CHKDSK Assist - Schedule CHKDSK Operations
« Last post by Josh on February 22, 2009, 07:23 AM »
I should send you more credits for not choosing a mouser-esque name such as "Check disk+spell and find robot"
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Coding Snacks / Re: CHKDSK Assist - Schedule CHKDSK Operations
« Last post by Josh on February 21, 2009, 03:41 PM »
Most useful program I have on my PC next to Process Explorer. Thank you very much!
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General Software Discussion / Re: Dangerous Adobe Reader Vulnerability In the Wild
« Last post by Josh on February 20, 2009, 06:20 PM »
Acrobat is all about security of your documents. That is it's primary purpose. It's not designed for editing, you do that in the original program used to create the document. That is why the number one thing people request is a way to edit a PDF file and it's contents. I get this all the time in my work and I always have to explain to people you don't edit PDF files, you edit the source. A PDF is created when you either want to send out a final product or a form. The only editable PDF file's I've ever seen are forms and those are designed to allow edits. PDF was meant to be READ on any platform, not EDITED.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Dangerous Adobe Reader Vulnerability In the Wild
« Last post by Josh on February 20, 2009, 01:12 PM »
Why are you going to rebel mouser? ALL software will eventually have a security hole. The fact of the matter is that people look down on the larger companies because their product is far more popular and more widely utilized. FoxIT is what I use as well, but again if it shared the popularity that adobe reader enjoys then I am sure it's security holes would be found out. As long as a company patches it's holes, I am fine and will not lose one iota of sleep over a security hole. Thus especially given that most of them really have little to no effect on much of the population, ala many of the windows security vulnerabilities. I am not saying be lax on testing and security, but get off the high horse of "Let's boycott this company because they have security issues".
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General Software Discussion / Web based photo manipulation and management suite
« Last post by Josh on February 19, 2009, 03:07 PM »
OK Folks, here is a challenge. I am looking for either a plugin, to systems like gallery or coppermine, or a completely standalone suite which incorporates functions like gallery/cpm. Does anyone know of such a system?
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