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General Software Discussion / Re: GemX - missing in action
« Last post by Dormouse on October 31, 2010, 09:03 AM »
in the eyes of the consumer if nothing changes visually or functionally, then it does not.

But surely that is OK? Consumer does not think it is worth upgrading (quite understandably atm) and so does not upgrade.

But GemX are saying that they anticipate frequent updates to v4. This means it will be very hard to find a point at which the extra features justify the upgrade unless they artificially delay releasing new versions. This is the first real upgrade for quite a few years. I decided to upgrade this time, partly to show some support and trust and partly to support the reasonable upgrade pricing. We'll see if it was worth it some time, but there's nothing that makes it compelling now - but I still understand why it's an appropriate point to say it is a major version change.
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General Software Discussion / Re: GemX - missing in action
« Last post by Dormouse on October 31, 2010, 06:17 AM »
My impression, without having used it, is did this require a version bump to 4?

Well, if a complete rewrite of the majority of the code does not justify a major version upgrade, then what does?

Certainly v4 is functionally virtually identical to v3 (& v3 works find on W7 x64 for me). Equally certainly, no-one has to upgrade. At some stage of v4, there may be some new features that you do want to upgrade for - and you can do it then. But I'm not sure how they would choose exactly which new features would justify a version upgrade; it seems easier to me to do what they have done and make it a major version change now, and leave users to decide if and when to upgrade. I don't think they could defer a new version any longer without losing even more users, so it is good that it is out there. And the upgrade price is very reasonable.
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Living Room / Re: build/upgrade or buy/build a new one?
« Last post by Dormouse on October 18, 2010, 02:29 AM »
First, I'm not sure what you mean by your PC is showing its age & needs to improve. 18 months isn't that old, especially for non-gaming activity.

Second, all your components seem, from a superficial look, to be similar in standard - and therefore probably hard to improve by tackling one or two areas. Would be more cost-effective, when the time comes, to do a full upgrade.

That said, I agree completely with Renegade. A SSD works very much faster and is worth the money (certainly to me, & unlike him I did go for one when I built my last computer & have my OS & programs on it (& nothing else).

You could consider moving to W7 at the same time. And more RAM might help a bit, depending on what you do.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Thunderbird as a PIM Hub - questions
« Last post by Dormouse on October 16, 2010, 07:25 AM »
The problem is you need a separate app for each of them and not all services provide one.  On the iPhone, the generic email app allows me to consolidate my Yahoo, Hotmail, GMail, Exchange, and any other IMAP or POP3 email account (up to 4 accounts) into the one app.  I can likewise download separate apps if that works better.  With the Android platform I *MUST* create a GMail account and I *MUST* register and use it for many different uses, even if I already have several email accounts and don't want to use GMail (which I don't).  With the Apple platform (Gah, I am already starting to sound like a fanboy, yuk! - <washes mouth out with soap....comes back to finish typing>) I do need to create an Apple account for the iPhone/iPod Touch, but then I don't need to ever use it again (except for any iTunes/app store "purchases").  All email communication comes in on any email service I prefer, and in fact I have no Apple email service at all.
The app on mine will manage all my email accounts if I want.
Android does require a gmail account (& Google Checkout) for the Market. No different to Apple in that. No need to use it. All email can be through any service you want. And I suspect you can get manage it differently, and outside Google, if you want.
Maybe the Android phone you had wasn't the same as mine.

As for the apps that claim to sync, I don't recall Fliq, but I know CompanionLink is VERY expensive ($40+ USD)  and really doesn't fully sync.  I think it syncs emails, but my main concern was with contact lists and calendars and it didn't do calendar syncing at all IIRC. Must have been thinking of a different app I tried.  However, to make it even more expensive, not only is this app $40, but then you needed to get DejaOffice on top of that.  Don't know how much more that would cost.

Just looking at Fliq real quick already shot it down.  Need a Fliq account and must sync with the account, not just between Outlook and the Device.  I can already do that if I am willing to go through GMail and use that as the common hub instead. Guess I really do need to read closer.  But this app too is quite expensive.  If I had seen it when I had my android device, though, I might have given it a whirl and seen if that would have satisfied my needs.

DejaOffice is free (approx $10 to for no adds). But it isn't actually required if you are happy to sync with the Android apps & Google. $40 is quite a lot - but they charge the same for the iOS version.

These apps are quite expensive in app terms - but no different to the standard pricing for WM programs really. And only a small part of the price differential between Apple and Android.

I'm quite happy having a lot of things going through my gmail account and that works out free. I have some email accounts I keep completely separate, so I do that too. If I used Outlook, I could set up a system to sync with that too if I wanted. The only point I'm making is that there is no reason to be locked into Google just because you have an Android phone. And, because it is OpenSource, I'm sure that all needs will be met by someone as the Android App market develops.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Thunderbird as a PIM Hub - questions
« Last post by Dormouse on October 14, 2010, 04:17 PM »
The problem with Android is that the Android platform locks you in every bit as the Apple platform, and worse, doesn't have anything to allow you to sync with Outlook at all (again, there is an exception IF you use an Exchange Server)!  If you wanted to program your own, sure, but then you could do that with any system and wouldn't really be looking here (at least I would think you wouldn't).  With the Android platform, the only difference is instead of being held to the Apple Hardware (but able to use just about any software you want), you are able to use any hardware that will support the Android platform, but you are locked into Google.  All mail pretty much MUST go through GMail (there are some email apps out there for other platforms such as Yahoo and Hotmail, but they are little more than shortcuts to the web version).

I don't really understand any of this. I have an Android phone and I'm not locked in. Email apps are available and easy to sync with any email provider that you are using.

I haven't looked at syncing with Outlook, since that is the last thing I want to do. But I've seen references to CompanionLink and Fliq which claim to sync.
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Living Room / Re: I have a very hard announcement to make
« Last post by Dormouse on October 14, 2010, 02:42 AM »
Saddened to read this. If coding makes you feel like that, then stopping must be the right decision (for now at least); especially if it isn't getting you where you want to go. Truly hope everything goes well for you and that you do stay around here where you contribute so much.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Thunderbird as a PIM Hub - questions
« Last post by Dormouse on October 11, 2010, 10:38 AM »
LeaderTask (free on GOTD today) seems to have what you are looking for. Tasks, notes, calendar & contacts. Syncs with Outlook and Gmail.

And free; today at least.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Thunderbird as a PIM Hub - questions
« Last post by Dormouse on October 05, 2010, 12:57 PM »
EDITED: On second thought, if it has calendar by way of the Lightning add-on, it should have tasks, too.

Indeed.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Thunderbird as a PIM Hub - questions
« Last post by Dormouse on October 05, 2010, 11:05 AM »
Spicebird attempts to do this. Development has been rather spasmodic but appears to be continuing.

I suspect the easiest sync approach is through gmail, but that does mean having everything in the cloud and again probably won't cover everything (I've not tried).
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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: Vectorian Giotto-50% Discount
« Last post by Dormouse on October 05, 2010, 09:55 AM »
I can't see it now either. But I'm sure I also saw it there earlier today with a few comments.
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only one who finds the new Apps-based world boring?
« Last post by Dormouse on October 05, 2010, 12:21 AM »
And everything you do is, of course, collected on their central database.

Source?

Any app can be downloaded to as many devices as you want (well - not sure about that.  Currently my apps are on my iPhone, my wife's iPhone, my old iPod touch which my son has, and my iPad... so at least 4), and if there is a + beside the price, you get the HD and the regular version for the same cost.

Songs on the other hand... you can only get those to another device if you d/l then u/l them, i.e. I d/l a song on my iPhone, then did the same on my wife's, and it charged me twice.  I can, however, d/l it, then sync, then copy it to my wife's computer, then she syncs and it be on both devices... if that isn't strange, I don't know what is...

You can't do this without a database linking your data (songs etc), hardware and customer info.

I'm not implying that they collect other data (I've no idea whether they do or not). Clearly their systems aren't good enough to detect the copying from one computer to another.
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only one who finds the new Apps-based world boring?
« Last post by Dormouse on October 05, 2010, 12:10 AM »
To do anything truly productive I want desktop apps - for me the way to go, out and about, is a netbook with a proper OS and applications and VPN to my desktop (just got a Samsung NS210 and it is really nice to use - esp. as i added extra memory, Win 7 Professional and Office 2010 Pro Plus).

IMHO smartphone apps are only really suitable for picking up mail and making a quick response if you have to - and other apps are useful for opening the odd document but who would really want to use a Blackberry or iPhone as a wordprocessor?

Indeed.
But this is very much from a work related POV, and I don't think that is the point of apps, iPhone or Android. Not that they're necessarily worse at it than WM, Blackberry et al.
And I've never found any computer (laptop or netbook) that useful for being out of the office - startup/close times are just too slow; not a problem for those who want to use them for less frequent and longer periods. And smartphones are perfectly OK for email.
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Living Room / Re: Best Free and Pay FTP Client
« Last post by Dormouse on October 04, 2010, 12:19 PM »
winscp can do it too
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only one who finds the new Apps-based world boring?
« Last post by Dormouse on October 04, 2010, 03:31 AM »
I only changed once I got into the iOS- first through the iPod, then I was able to use what I had already bought on my iPhone... and all of that works on the iPad, with no more buy in.  That's a major incentive, and it's all around all of them using the same OS... not the apps themselves.

I don't see it being about the OS - it's really about Apple. Everything they do is aimed at deepening their monopoly with current customers and then extending it to others. And everything you do is, of course, collected on their central database.
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only one who finds the new Apps-based world boring?
« Last post by Dormouse on October 03, 2010, 10:02 AM »

I disagree.  Once you've bought apps, if they won't work on an OS, then you'll pretty much stick to it unless something catastrophic happens.  So the OS locks you in.  That's one of the reasons it took me forever to get an iPhone- I had too many apps on windows mobile (or whatever it was then).

But it didn't stop you, did it? And just look at how much the market shares have changed in just a few years. How many WM users are sticking with WM? And WM7 won't be compatible with WM6 anyway.

I miss Agenda Fusion /Pocket Informant and ListPro. But there should be an android version of Pocket Informant very soon. I will otherwise just use apps that do what I want.

Next time, I will look at everything available (except iPhone - I won't buy any Apple product because they are so monopolistic) and make my decision at the time. I expect my next phone to work differently anyway, so a new OS won't be an issue. The change this time has been a delight.

Maybe switching from an iPhone would be harder. Apple control a lot of the data and datalinks as well as the OS and hardware so it might be harder to break free. I don't know; I can't see any such problem with Android.
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only one who finds the new Apps-based world boring?
« Last post by Dormouse on October 03, 2010, 04:15 AM »
Keep your eye on Samsung's new bada devices.

I considered the Galaxy S, and the included Swype was tempting (a little), but the overall UI was so much behind HTC Sense that I just went with the Desire. So I'll be watching it with interest, but without confidence that it will be the next big smartphone OS. MS, Blackberry & Nokia are busy trying to develop their new OSs too. I can't see them all succeeding.

Of course, the thing about smartphones in that the OS is not where the action is: users will switch from one to another without a second thought. It's all about the hardware and the apps.
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only one who finds the new Apps-based world boring?
« Last post by Dormouse on October 02, 2010, 11:48 PM »
Desktop applications and the people who actually prefer them are fast becoming the minority.  we're seeing more and more people turn to their phones to do their computing needs.

I find my Blackberry Curve almost useless for anything but reading a few blogs formatted especially for mobile phones, and for basic communication.  I much prefer a desktop.

That might be because it's a Blackberry Curve.
AFAICS, it is only the iPhone and Android that are really easy & useful for doing lots of things. Blackberry is still too email & business orientated for that and the Curve's screen is too small.
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only one who finds the new Apps-based world boring?
« Last post by Dormouse on October 02, 2010, 11:44 PM »
My phone has replaced my:
- Personal library, as books in death tree format takes space and weight a ton.
- etc etc etc

This is becoming true for me too. I'm surprised by how well it works as an ebook reader, mp3 player etc etc etc.

I've had smartphones/PDAs for a long time. Palm, then WM. Useful and gradually getting more functionality. But never doing anything like so much, nor so easily, as my new Android. And the ease of getting apps that work is part of what makes it easy. (Not that I have many of them added to those it came with.) IThe cellphone aspect was never enough for me to keep them with me all the time before, but now I do and I make sure it won't run out of charge.
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For 2 different modes, you could also consider Auto Vs Manual (photogs, at least, have a clear idea of this difference).

I would also suggest that, if you want to aim at two different demographics, you do have two somewhat different programs. Extra features will be needed in the complex one (eg emphasis on raw), but possibly also the UI, given the different levels of expertise and interest and features wanted. This is one area that I think Adobe do quite well with PS & PSE (and even + LR as a different prog that uses some of the same technology). It means that each target gets the product they need focused on their needs without one of them being an afterthought.
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Working out the correct pricing strategy for a product is extremely complex with many factors involved. My example above was just to illustrate that, at this stage in Sagelight development, the optimal strategy will be the one which maximises the sales and reputation. Being seen as cheap does not work because people will just think the product has little value; a higher price means that some people may evaluate and choose it. One off sales may or may not work, depending (for your long-term purpose) on whether those sales are to your target demographic.

My perception of your real target demographic (from Sagelight's features, the forum and most of the blog) is that it is to technically competent people with a real interest in photography and who spend a reasonable amount of time and money on it (there aren't too many other people that interested in RAW yet). This group is quite demanding and will tend to ignore products that seem too cheap or too simplistic. It seems to me that you have a wish to aim at a group with less interest and expertise (and possibly less money) who currently don't use this sort of product. It will not be easy to target both groups at the same time; my suggestion would be to plan 2 versions - one for DSLR & the other for P&S. They would have different pricing and marketing strategies. The top edition would be the one that needs the status as a top product. In some ways it is the way that the camera companies build their brands.

So what should the price be? Well, one way to start is to think what it would sell for if it were fully developed in features and marketing reputation. I assume many fewer features than PS (currently there's very little of the creative/drawing/compositional features: SE is very much a photographers' tool) - which reduces price - but is a very specialist tool - which conversely increases price (basically because the potential number of sales will be much smaller). Ultimately, probably higher than PSE and a lot lower than PS and probably quite a bit lower than LR. Of course, SE is not fully developed in either area atm, so appropriate pricing now may be, say, half of PSE, remembering that PSE requires an expensive pay for upgrade annually. Then you need to look at other competitors to SE and decide whether that puts SE out of line with them. Given this price, you should be able to work out a range which keeps it in this value bracket but gives you a top end price and a low end price.

Given that you want to drive numbers, I would suggest that SE's price spends much (not necessarily most) of the time at the low end of that range. One-off sales and offers can be at dramatically reduced prices - but these would need to be very rare or the whole pricing structure and reputation would be undermined; they should also be very focused on your target demographic (quite a few ways of doing this that don't look like sales such as offering signed-up beta testers a very substantial discount). The absolute target for now should be increasing reputation and sales to people who will contribute to the buzz around the product rather than the short-term absolute amount of $. Unfortunately, that will require an active forum & blog & relevant contributions on photog sites (at least until there are enough users doing that).
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But as a software user, I know from experience that when the stream of NEW customers gets smaller/small, the author will lose the incitement to develop, without being paid

Of course, there are some very well maintained programs that have been developed continually over many years as freeware.

But where an income is needed I agree. Lifetime licenses can be good, when it is helping to build the user base and the overall numbers are increasing - but not viable if sales peak and then decline. Of course, some progs have a steady supply of new users and lifetime can work fine forever. Lifetime as an extra cost option can also work; it's what I would suggest at the point there is a move from a lifetime to a major version upgrade system.
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On www.sagelighteditor.com (on the main page and the purchase page), it should say that there is a current promotion for a lifetime version.  I want to do it permanently, but I am not sure if I'll be able to do that.  I am at least doing it until version 4.0 is out.  I'm just really looking for ways to keep the software cheaper but not devalue it at the same time.  I'm not really a good salesman because I'd rather be developing.  Everyone tells me I should charge more, but I'd give it away for free if I could.

I'm pretty certain that charging more (now) is not the best way to maximise your income from the program. Lifetime for now may be good. Offers are probably also good. You need high numbers of evangelistic users generating publicity for you all over the net. Your blog is very good. Wasn't so good that your recent public downtime immediately followed what appears to have been a very successful (in terms of publicity & numbers) offer. I agree with all CWuestefeld's comments. Longer-term users are likely to be quite happy with paying for upgrades so long as the upgrade discount is significant and there is a substantial advance in features/usability. A number of developers have moved from lifetime to paying for major version upgrades and this has usually been with no problems if the original lifetime terms are preserved for those who bought them. I think it might be worth your while looking at the idimager model of gradually increasing prices as the program's traction in the community and numbers of features has grown; and all on the back of very supportive forums and support.

For most end-user software, it really is a numbers game. Ten users at $10 are worth more than one user at $100, especially if they think that the proper price of the software is $50: more sales of upgrades, more recommendations to other people, more life in the forum, more overall publicity. Of course, this only works if they are happy users; if your users are going to be unhappy then you are much better off getting the biggest price up front and the least feedback on the net - but all your users seem very happy  :).
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is there any sort of upgrade discount available if I'm upgrading from the gizmo edition?

I've been a little conflicted about that.  I mean, I'm not trying to just get more money wherever I can.  But, some people paid $1 and others paid $25+ for it during the sale (though, I do have to say I thought, on average, people were very nice).  So, it doesn't seem right to just upgrade everyone automatically.    What I'm thinking is that since the Pay What You Want was a promotional thing, that if anyone who has that version just wants to pay the difference between the current price and their purchase price, then I would go ahead and upgrade it ito a lifetime license.   Does that seem fair?

I think that is entirely fair.
I paid a relatively small sum (can't remember what it was) as a way of having an extended trial. I have 'played around' with using it on a number of photos to see what it can do, but don't make extensive use of it (atm) - I do have lots of other editors I am used to using. (I'm afraid that with me, it often takes a year or two before I am able to decide whether I will use a program extensively (usually with very intermittent use over that year) and so any opportunity I get to have a cheap extended trial is taken if I am at all interested in the program type). I did intend to purchase v4 when it came out (though I do remember seeing somewhere that upgrade to v4 was included with the Gizmo sale), partly because I wanted to support you/your blog/sagelight development and partly because I thought I might make extensive use of it; given the indications of v4 being quite different to v3, I didn't want to get too hooked on the v3 system when v4 was imminent.

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Living Room / Re: Should I buy a tablet pc, ipad, netbook, or other?
« Last post by Dormouse on September 05, 2010, 06:23 PM »
we passed by the Apple department in Best Buy and my wife told me I should go ahead and get it.  Then proceeded to take the nook to put it back on the shelf.

... so that's the secret of Apple
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Thanks for that. Just missed it at GOTD. Have 9 on other computer & use it regularly (feel no need to upgrade that); nothing much on this one, so this is good.
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