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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on August 02, 2013, 12:03 PM »
Revisiting the bungee cord idea from 40hz (from this link):
original.jpg

I like it!  Simple to do.  Just build the brackets on the side with holes with the right spacing (probably can just find it at home depot).  I may give this one a shot.  I wonder what material I should use for the bungee, and where to get it from.
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foobar?
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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on August 01, 2013, 10:34 PM »
yes.  :Thmbsup:
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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on August 01, 2013, 03:17 PM »
(intermission)
pron:
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http://hothardware.c...ady-for-Development/
Things are about to get faster. The USB Promoter Group announced that it has completed the USB 3.1 specification, which will enable SuperSpeed USB performance of 10Gbps. This, of course, rivals Intel and Apple’s blazing fast 10Gbps Thunderbolt interface, and the new USB connection will make use of more efficient data encoding, and it will be compatible with earlier USB specifications (USB 3.0 and 2.0).

OK, I'm annoyed yet again.  I'm always on top of all these fast transfer speed technology.  Do you know how hard of a time I have had in the past decade finding ANY devices that even make use of these technologies?  USB 3.0?  hardly anything.  esata?  barely took off.  thunderbolt/light peak?  nothing.  And now there's USB 3.1?  We don't even have anything with USB 3.0 yet, and it's been a while!  I don't understand any of this.

Just last month, I probably spent hours trying to figure out what pci addon card i need to get to make use of the usb 3.0 ports on my tower and also add some spare ports for an external drive or hub.  The only ones available are the largely unreliable ones made in china.  And they have issues, I don't use any of my large 3.5" drives externally on them because they experience corruption issues because of the driver or something.  I only use the SSD external drive with it for transfers i don't really care that much about.

I even bought a couple of thumbdrives with usb 3.0 just to test them out (they all suck except for the big fatty fat ones).  But most of the manufacturers are still selling USB 2.0 stuff, like a 90-10% ratio.  And I heard (perhaps here?) that the reason is because they are just trying to get rid of their old stock.  It's all very annoying.  First thing that needs to happen is can some companies (american or another reliable sort) make a f*&^ing  PCI card that can add 4+ ports of anything fast?  Where is thunderbolt?  All that talk and two years later there is nothing!  two years!
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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on August 01, 2013, 02:36 PM »
Even members of the DC family?   :P
Well...yes, I'm afraid.  Although since you guys are so knowledgeable in these areas, permission will probably be easily granted.  :up:
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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on August 01, 2013, 02:36 PM »
Question: did you ever consider laptop style drives? They  already have shock protection, don't vibrate much, or take up much space. Decent capacities and lower power requirements too. Speed shouldn't be an issue for most storage - and you can always use bigger and faster  drives where/if needed.
I already have the drives.  Many of them are 4TB.  It will be a while before the smaller drives or SSDs catch up.  I'm a sucker for huge storage!
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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on August 01, 2013, 01:39 PM »
Remember the golden rule: The correct answer should involve the least administrative effort.

Yes true. But this is his home server in it's own room. No real space constraints. And it's just him. Not 200 twits sneaking a look at their FB accounts while pretending to be working. He can do a shutdown and perform maintenance anytime he damn well pleases - no need to even send out that memo nobody ever bothers to read...

Yes, but home has its issues as well. One tends to be more relaxed about their movements and behavior. So delicate exposed stuff is not ideal. Someone sprays air freshener into the room from the doorway and the heavy wet mist settles..? An innocent casual gesture snag a cable or two. Or just the simple act of moving/cleaning the assembly spotlights a fatigue point...leaving a pile of drives on the floor. My kids are gone, so while for the most part my environment is perfectly safe. I do have grandchildren that could visit. We also have friends with children. Should I mention pets???

Point being: Never tempt fate...shit happens just fine on its own.
I live alone.  I have two rules for guests:
1) You can do whatever you want if you're invited.
2) Nobody is allowed to touch anything in the computer room/office without explicit permission.  Not family, not girlfriends, nobody.
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Living Room / Re: Uncommon snapshots of home
« Last post by superboyac on August 01, 2013, 01:29 PM »
ugh...existential OCD creeping up.
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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on August 01, 2013, 01:25 PM »
What's complicated about the bungee cord thing is that if you remove one drive, it affects the other drives on that twist.

What about a simple cage created with two rectangular plates, a couple of long threaded screws or rails to hold the drives, and then just rest the drives vertically in place, similar to the backblaze design, but with more standard home depot parts and more spacing between drives?  I did something like this in college.  what was nice about it is that it's very flexible in design, things are just bolted together so it's easy to take apart (no welding or anything).  A simple clamp of some sort, whether rubber or silicon, would hold the drives in place, should be sturdy.  attach the cables from the top.  basically the same as the dishwasher rack images above except it probably needs to be made from parts in the hardware store due to the custom spacing and clamping on the top, which i'd like to have.

then i get this bad boy to cool them:
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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on August 01, 2013, 11:30 AM »
OK, that's a good start.  I'm a little uncomfortable without some kind of clamping in place or something.  I don't want a situation where the you accidentally bump into it and the drives move around or fall down.  I'm thinking maybe there are some toolless hard drive mounting kits, where I can place each drive in one, and then screw them in a custom wooden or metal frame with rubber stuff wherever is needed to reduce vibration and noise. Maybe something like this:
scyhds2-att1_150x150.jpg
scyhds2-att2_400x400.jpg
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Unicode Image Maker / Re: meme outline feature
« Last post by superboyac on August 01, 2013, 09:19 AM »
Surely there are some better tools for meme creation?
That's what I thought.  No standalone software, though, only web tools.  I even tried gimp, thinking it would have a one-click option for it, but no.  But yes, I also feel someone must already have this somewhere...
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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on August 01, 2013, 09:15 AM »
Yes, for the storage aspect. But a NAS is just a big storage bucket that isn't going to have (a real rip tearing processor or a boat load of RAM) the resources to handle virtualization properly. They tend to be minimalistic and dutifully plod along much like a good mule.

Yep. To be honest, if I were planning some huge data storage system for my home use I'd be thinking of using a low power single board computer (there's a bunch of them) and setting up several file servers using them. A lot would depend on the storage the SBC and OS would be capable of efficiently handling, so that might take some research. But my inclination would be to just rack the drives on open shelving with plenty of airspace and one big quiet fan to keep everything cool.

So let's think outside the box for a second. Foregoing a closed case would dissipate a lot of heat and avoid any build up. And not having a fan restricted by the need to fit  in a case opens up a wealth of hardware options. (How about a couple of nice big Vornado table fans blowing on the drives instead of those miserable noisy little case fans?) The SBCs wouldn't need cooling or much power since they usually run off a wall wart power supply. And they could be mounted wherever it was most convenient to the drives they were attached to.

Hmm...gonna have to think about this ....
OK, now we're talking!  I really like the idea of the open shelf system because I would really prefer it to be quiet.  And I'll have a whole bedroom set aside for this sort of thing anyway.  I just need to figure out an easy way to put together a shelf system with the proper mounts and cable management, etc.  I could play around in sketchup to see if i come up with anything.  If anyone knows of any examples of this on the web, please link.
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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on July 31, 2013, 04:56 PM »
OK, so as a less insane/more practical option for the storage, how about this?

The only case out there I could find that is built for this sort of thing is the Addonics Storage IX case:
stix_internaldigram_lrg.jpg

Then, I need the actual cages to stick in there.  My favorite ones, as I said, are from istardock:
BPN-DE350SS_01.jpg

So in the end, each box like this can hold up to fifteen drives.  I'll probably start out with one, then pretty soon move to two.  That should hold me over for a while  :D.

Remaining items for the high performance server:
motherboard
cpu (xeon?, dual i7?)
the card that will allow all the drives to plug in (sas expander?, raid?, i don't know the right term)
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Living Room / Re: PLease help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on July 31, 2013, 04:35 PM »
wraith:
I can't define a single function for it.  It will primarily be to hold tons of everything.  Videos take up the most space, I'm putting all my movies, all family recordings, etc. into it.  Many of them will be uncompressed, raw stuff.  They take up massive amounts of space.  But I'm also going to do everything else with it I normally do.  Virtual machines, tons and tons of software, content creation, games, arcade emulators, anything I can think of.  I guess I'm just a little tired of needing to build a machine every time i try a project.  I just want one ultimate one now, based around lots of hard drives.

40:
I've not been convinced to use NAS yet, mostly because it sounds to me to be a storage solution with a more restricted OS than full-scale Windows/Linux, and maybe just because I don't understand it or have less control (can't really tell).  I like the Norco units, no real problem there, that's an option.  I also like those ADdonics boxes, and when I was looking into those, the ones with the build quality I preferred were the ones from istardock (see here).  WHy?  They are made of metal vs. plastic.  I need to go through my notes to figure out which sas card expander thing I would need (I still don't really understand how to choose one, but i have a list of recommendations from here and around the web).  The two separate servers might be a good idea, I might even just use my current desktop (which has like a 7.8 windows performance rating  :up:) as the storage server, and the xeon/dual i7 thing as the high-performance vm box, what not.

Shades, I was thinking the same thing about Windows server 2012, I really want to give it a shot.  Especially the latest R2 version (preview version), because they supposedly significantly improved their drive pooling features.

Stoic...that sounds awesome, maybe I'll do something like that also.
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Unicode Image Maker / meme outline feature
« Last post by superboyac on July 31, 2013, 12:32 PM »
Mouser, for the sake of meme creation, can you add a feature that adds an outline around the font being used?  Basically, standard mame font is the impact font plus an outline.
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Living Room / Please help superboyac build a server (2013 edition).
« Last post by superboyac on July 30, 2013, 04:20 PM »
Modified 8-15-2013

Mini-Me Test-Run Storage Server:
ITEMBRANDMODELPRICESTORE
MotherboardSuperMicroX10SAE (ATX form factor)$216===
CPUIntelXeon E3-1245V3 (BX80646E31245V3)$289Newegg
RAMKingston32GB (4x8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Registered DDR3 1600 Server Memory DRx4 Intel (KVR16R11D4K4/32I)$347Newegg
NICIntelNetworking Card Ethernet Server Adapter I340 Quad Port PCI Express Copper 1Gb (E1G44HTBLK)$250Newegg
CaseCooler MasterStorm Stryker$169.99Newegg
Power Supply======$======
OSFreeNASv9.1$0!===
Note: HBA Card or SAS expanders or anything like that is not necessary because the motherboard can already support 8 SATA3 drives, and I don't plan on having more than that in this tower.
**

HARD DRIVEBRANDMODELCAPACITYRPMCACHEINTERFACEQUANTITY
#1-4HGSTDeskstar4TB720064MBSATA 3x4
TOTAL:16TBx4

Storage Server:
ITEMBRANDMODELPRICESTORE
MotherboardSuperMicro===$======
CPU======$======
RAM======$======
Graphics Card======$======
CaseCooler MasterStorm Stryker$169.99Newegg
Power Supply======$======
OSFreeNASv9.1$0!===
HBA cardIBMm1015$110ServerSupply
SAS-to-SATA cable (SFF-8087)(N/A)1m, forward breakout cable$10Monoprice
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**

HARD DRIVEBRANDMODELCAPACITYRPMCACHEINTERFACEQUANTITY
#1-4Western DigitalBlack Caviar2TB720032MBSATA 3x4
#5-6HGSTDeskstar2TB720064MBSATA 3x2
#7-8HGSTDeskstar3TB720064MBSATA 3x2
#9-12HGSTDeskstar4TB720064MBSATA 3x4
#13HGSTDeskstar2TB720032MBSATA 2x1
TOTAL:36TBx13

OK, folks, I know I've done this before and I'm doing it again.  But this time I think I'm REALLY going to do it.  I'm going to build my massive (and I do mean that literally, see below) server.  I've collected about a year or two of notes, and while I have not figured everything out yet, a little more back and forth here and I'll be ready to go.

First, here are the related threads so far:
https://www.donation...ex.php?topic=20801.0
https://www.donation...ex.php?topic=32359.0

And my first request that built my rock-solid desktop:
https://www.donation...ex.php?topic=16186.0

Eventually, I'll add a table of the parts and everything here.  The primary goal is to hold a lot of drives, over 20 of them.  The rest of the decisions will basically be built around that one.  I didn't want to go through the standard server rack route because the noise that results in cramming all those drives into a tight space.  The other thing I want to accomplish is that I want this to be the only computer in the house (other than laptops and tablets), so it will be in one room, and the rest of the house will be wired with ethernet/etc.  I haven't figured all that out yet, but that's the goal.  In the rooms, I just want monitors and keyboards/mice, but the computing is being done on this machine.

OK, here's what I have so far:

I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with the MASSIVE Caselabs TX10-V case ($800).  I like how people there say it will be the "last case they ever buy".  I like that.  I love the room it offers.

I can't decide on a motherboard yet.  I want a physically large motherboard with lots of PCI slots. But I also want as many USB 3.0 slots as possible, and esata if possible.  I know I have to figure out which of those SAS expander or whatever cards to get because of all the drives (I have lots of notes, just have to sort through them).  But I mention the USB 3.0 and esata because I like those and they seem to be rare.  Also, I probably don't have to worry about this, but recently I experienced problems transferring 4TB drives between computers because one of them required a "intel rapid storage technology" (I'm guessing it was before the large drives were common) and because I didn't have it installed, it sort of corrupted the drive, and I had to do a chkdsk and recover all that stuff.  I don't want to deal with that.  I don't want anything to happen to the drive when I plug it in to stuff.  I've experienced similar issues with a third-party USB 3.0 PCI controller I just got.  I don't like it, it worries me.

Please discuss!  Talking through all these things really helps me.
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Man, I just LOVE pencil art with cross hatching.
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Living Room / Re: Well, I got it: Nokia Lumia 920, Windows 8
« Last post by superboyac on July 30, 2013, 10:04 AM »
PS.  Can someone attach the latest bittorrent sync windows installer here?  ;)

D'oh
Thanks!
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Living Room / Re: Well, I got it: Nokia Lumia 920, Windows 8
« Last post by superboyac on July 29, 2013, 04:58 PM »
OK, now I'm getting even more annoyed...
the Windows Phone will not allow you to download an exe file, presumably because you can't just install it (plus security reasons i'm sure).  Really annoying.  What kind of windows OS doesn't let you download ANY file you may desire?  Great.

PS.  Can someone attach the latest bittorrent sync windows installer here?  ;)
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Living Room / Re: Movies or films you've seen lately
« Last post by superboyac on July 29, 2013, 01:01 PM »
(see attachment in previous post)

A partial list of things in movies over the past several years that I've (by now) just about had enough of:

  • Vampire everything - monsters, lovers, lesbians, special forces
  • Werewolf everything - (see Vampire above)
  • Werewolves + Vampire everything - (see Vampire above)
  • Flesh-Eating Zombie Apocalypse riffs - even if they do star Milla Jovovich
  • Unstoppable "might be supernatural or possessed by the Devil" psycho "slice&dice" killers wearing masks - Halloween, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, The Hills Have Eyes, Last House on the Left, etc. etc. - you know the franchises.
  • Teams of kids or teenagers (with no formal training) who take on crack professional military units - and win
  • Remakes of: Porky's, Risky Business, Animal House
  • Additional installments of Die Hard (and while were at it - Bruce Willis in general)
  • Schwartzenegger and Stallone - either solo or in combo. Gentlemen? It's getting sorta old - and so are you. Wake up and smell the steroids! As my GF put it: Seeing young heavily-muscled dudes is one thing. However, seeing musclebound old men is kinda creepy.
  • Harry Potter everything
  • Kevin Smith's "Jay" and "Silent Bob" characters - Hey Kev? It's true they were sorta funny in Dogma. Not so much anywhere else. So let's give it a rest ok?
  • And just to get a jump on it: the inevitable sequels to The Hunger Games along with all the "me too" spin-offs that will likely follow.

There's more items on that list, but these will do for a start. ;) ;D
Thank YOU!  I'll add all superhero movies, knight movies to the list.  And even though the 3D cartoons are technically ok, both in story and special effects (that is, I have no real complaint), well, I'm sick of them too.

I'm not yet sick of Wes Anderson, I'll take more of those please.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Are you going to wait for Windows 9?
« Last post by superboyac on July 29, 2013, 09:16 AM »
And to think, all this fuss and frustration is why I moved to Linux seven years ago. It's fun to read it, but I don't have to live it.

 ;)
I totally remember that.  :(
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so now my parents are replacing their dvd player.  their requirements are similar to mouser, except it should be an off the shelf product.  what is good?  it should be able to play dvd/bluray, play video files of differing formats, have a remote?
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^^wise advice.
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Living Room / Re: Why the NSA Doesn’t Want You to Have a BlackBerry
« Last post by superboyac on July 25, 2013, 02:54 PM »
I'd love it if they could get it together and stop operating from the "How Not To Handle Disruptive Competition" playbook. I certainly have a lot of respect for their engineers. I still probably wouldn't buy a BlackBerry but more serious competition (2 players is not enough) is better for everyone in the long run. The problem is they keep blaming everything but themselves for their market failures. All the engineering in the world can't fix that.

+1

What I'd LOVE to see is a decoupling (or detripling as the case may be) of the hardware manufacturer + software manufacturer + carrier marriage/bigamy.

But the anti-competitiveness goes much, much deeper than just that.
+100000
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