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For me it all depends on the application.

Feature bloat can be annoying if the interface makes using it difficult or slow.

Resource bloat is a pain depending on how you use the application. If the application is meant to be used along with nothing else running, then it's not a problem. If you need to use it with other things, then it's a pain.

Again, like most answers in IT, the correct answer is yet again, "It all depends..."
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General Software Discussion / Re: Don't call it "the tray"!
« Last post by Renegade on April 26, 2007, 04:57 PM »
The above example with "slut" was meant for dramatic effect. I thought that was obvious in the context.

Yup - it was obviously meant for dramatic effect, I just read it as having changed over the course of your life, that's all.

Thanks for the clarification - I wasn't aware of that!

Sorry - I misread what you meant. It never occurred to me that you were asking if I was 397 years old! :)
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General Software Discussion / Re: Don't call it "the tray"!
« Last post by Renegade on April 25, 2007, 05:28 PM »
It's not that long. I forget exactly how long it is - around 5~10 minutes I think. The guy is really smart though. Some of the most intelligent comedy out there.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Don't call it "the tray"!
« Last post by Renegade on April 25, 2007, 05:17 PM »
As yet another example, the origin of the word "f**k" comes from a word meaning "to thrust", as in to thrust with a sword. (Old Anglo-Saxon)
-Renegade
You've heard that mp3 too? :)


Actually, I got that from a university class in Old Anglo-Saxon well before the George Carlin comedy routine. :)

 
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General Software Discussion / Re: WINDOWS MEDIA
« Last post by Renegade on April 25, 2007, 05:14 PM »
ALShow is pretty good at identifying codecs and helping you download the correct one for a file.

DISCLAIMER: I work for the company.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Don't call it "the tray"!
« Last post by Renegade on April 25, 2007, 05:11 PM »
When I was a little boy, my sister was a "slut". "Slut" originally meant "little girl" and had no sexual connotations. The word changed.

! How old are you, Renegade? On the west coast of Canada at no point in the last 50 years (that I am aware of) has calling a guy's little sister a slut been anything other than derogatory, inflammatory, and loaded with sexual connotations!

The examples there are more than just a few years old. A couple hundred or so. Never-the-less, the meaning of the word changed. Not in our lifetime, but still, it illustrates the point that the meanings of words (and what things are called) changes over time.

Another example would be "tissue" being called "kleenex" or "cola" being called "coke".

As yet another example, the origin of the word "f**k" comes from a word meaning "to thrust", as in to thrust with a sword. (Old Anglo-Saxon)

The above example with "slut" was meant for dramatic effect. I thought that was obvious in the context.
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General Software Discussion / Re: RANT: High Software Prices!
« Last post by Renegade on April 25, 2007, 05:02 PM »
tinjaw,

(Sorry for the delayed response.)

Sigh... At the end of the day you're pretty much right. Stealing is stealing and piracy is stealing in the end. Understanding where it happens and why though is important to prevent it though.

The one part where I think you really missed what I meant was where I mentioned that our ability to offer software at different prices in different markets is limited. While it is possible to offer it for free, that doesn't pay the bills for commercial developers. So while $50 may be ok in the US, in another place a reasonable price may be $2. Pricing things for markets like this is still rather difficult as IP assignments aren't 100% accurately reported for different countries (e.g. AOL has a US IP block in use in Germany). Then there's the question of proper maintenance of an IP address database. For most developers this kind of maintenance becomes unbearable. At the moment, only the Microsofts, Symantecs, and Trend Micros of the world are doing this.

Back to what I said and your response - Yes. I am completely guilty of mixing issues there. Part of my intent is to point out that pricing needs to be done for the market, and a US pricing schedule just isn't appropriate for some other markets (most in fact). So when a pricing schedule ceases to be rational, how is the market supposed to respond? Rationally? This is a pretty hard leap to make when rationality has already been thrown out.

While theft still may be wrong, in some circumstances it at least becomes more understandable, and perhaps even excusable. I place part of the blame for this on unreasonable pricing schedules. Another portion of blame should rest on inadequate distribution, payment and banking systems that prevent legitimate payments. (In some places actually paying for software is impossible.)

We're never going to eliminate piracy, but if we can make paying for software easy with reasonable prices, then our reasons for excusing it in certain circumstances diminishes. I think this is what we as software authors *should* be striving for.

For example (a radical one to illustrate the point), suppose Bill Gates or Larry Ellison were to program a simple sharewre type utility ($20~50 price range) that took them a week or a month to write. They would have to price it at some insane price like $10,000 per copy to begin to justify their time. The market simply can't accept that though. Their expectations wouldn't be reasonable.

Similarly, only providing a way to pay that nobody has access to is equally unreasonable.

Setting ourselves up for failure then complaining about it doesn't solve the problem. We really need to look at the causes of our problems and address those. Piracy is just a symptom in many circumstances. (Albeit China may be a poor example as everyone I know that does business there complains about nobody ever being honest.)

pinko commie socialist hippie

Hahahaha~! :)

I'm very far from being that! :)

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General Software Discussion / Re: Do you use 7-Zip files?
« Last post by Renegade on April 25, 2007, 04:31 PM »
While 7z files may offer some compression advantages over ZIP or RAR, ZIP is still better supported.

If compression is still more important, then I find RAR is still better than 7z as it's been commercially proven over years and simply has that reliability factor going for it. If compression is of utmost importance, then RK or PAQ8 are better, but still have that question of being proven for reliability and widespread support.
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General Software Discussion / Re: RANT: High Software Prices!
« Last post by Renegade on April 22, 2007, 05:21 PM »
Now... If you live in a developed country, then there's no excuse. You can afford my prices and what I'm asking for my software. If you're stealing, then you're stealing. Period. Agreed there.
Playing devil's advocate...

They could even sell it to customers in the USA/Europe at prices which massively undercut other developers, and still earn a very good standard of living. Is that fair on the other developers? ...


Excellent points throughout. They are complex issues that are not likely to be resolved any time soon.

I think that what's at the bottom of it all is a fundamental flaw in capitalism that cannot be adequately addressed inside the system it operates. (This would run off on too much of a tangent - I'll leave it there.)
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Once you learn regular expressions, you'll wonder how you lived without them before. They give you god-like powers with text.
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I do a LOT of this, and for anyone that is serious about it, you must get RoboSoft. The small pettance of the price is WELL worth it.
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Jan is a really nice guy. He lives in Thailand with his wife and while I can't say "buy it", I believe that you're in good hands with his software. He cares about his customers and is responsive as well (I also have licenses for his software). I'd say that you've got a good investment with his stuff.

He's very smart and knows his stuff really well.

Speaking of which, I'm going to Thailand next month and should see if I can hook up with him for a beer! :D

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Living Room / Re: poll: how old are you?
« Last post by Renegade on April 22, 2007, 11:53 AM »
HA!

I snuck that one into a lower category truthfully because of time zones!  :D

I turned another year older today... On the border of one of those... But then again - I was born in a different time zone where today is yesterday! :D
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General Software Discussion / Re: RANT: High Software Prices!
« Last post by Renegade on April 22, 2007, 11:48 AM »
1. Too many really good posts here to respond to.

2. Limited time - must keep short.

3. I want to address fairness and compassion.

This discussion about photoshop has got me thinking more about some of my feelings on these high end programs.  I sometimes work with academic software, which has similar insane pricing schemes (go price matlabl).

Part of what makes people turn to piracy is when a company prices its products for one rich market, and prices it out of range of normal people, for the sole purpose of keeping the people who can afford it from paying less.

In other words, imagine the case of photoshop.  Ideally, as long as they don't have to provide you with support, they aren't negatively effected if 30,000 high schoolers have pirated copies of photoshop and learn how to use it.  In fact it helps them by establishing a more dominant user base and trained users who may eventually buy the program.  But they can't "officially" give out those copies of photoshop or charge $5 for them, because they need to be able to charge the pros $500 for it.  So we are left in this strange situation where companies are officially fighting to keep the program out of the hands of people who can't afford it, just so they can extract high dollars out of the people who can.  This is the kind of thing that makes me long for the day when we can all pay what we think a program is worth to us (i know it's not going to happen im just saying).

in general i guess i evaluate companies and get a feeling for if i think they are trying to jack up their prices and update charges in order to maximize profits with no real "love" of their customers.  i want to support companies which balance making a profit with having happy users.  show me a company trying to bleed their users dry to squeeze the last drop of potential profits, and i'll show you a company whose users are looking for an excuse to jump ship.

If anyone is interested, go have a read on the licenses that I write. I believe that they are pretty much what mouser is writing about there (in a round about way). Fairness. Upgrades are free as well (as long as it's possible to do so). http://renegademinds.com - my personal site, and http://www.altools.net - the dayjob. Software should be available and easy. As developers (and software marketers) it's our duty to serve our customers and users.

To sell software to an American and then sell it to someone living in China... Well... I need to charge Americans more. I also need to charge the Chinese less.

If you don't agree with me... you. When you make $100 per month, it's not easy to spend $50 on software. When you make $4000 per month, it's a lot easier to spend $50.

Not everyone has a car. Not everyone has all the perks that so many of us in the developed world have. To ask that someone that makes what I spit on for a piece of software is just cruel. It's called having some sense of generosity and compassion.

At the moment our ability to respond to these issues (as software manufacturers) is limited, and only the larger manufacturers really have the means to do so (this is a major problem facing software authors and not easily addressed - that's another discussion entirely). But to begrudge someone that lives in poverty and is fortunate enough to actually HAVE A COMPUTER is just cruel.

Stealing is wrong. Piracy is stealing. Piracy is wrong. If you can't afford it, don't buy it and don't steal it. If you can't afford Photoshop, use the Gimp. If you can't afford Windows, use Linux. Period.

I'm not really buying this line of reasoning across the board.

Pricing is situational. Just around the corner from my house I see Mercedez cars, BMWs, and Bentleys. These people can afford to pay for software. I can also travel a few hours from where I live and see people in complete and total squallor with literally nothing. If they "steal" from me, my cost is virtually nothing.

I have SO MUCH compared to so many people and for me to begrudge them an amount of money that I literally wipe my ass with is just purely greedy and inhuman. For me to be so selfish that I actually care about what I routinely waste?

Give me a break.

We're talking about software here. The cost for me to get my products to these people is virtually nothing.

How can I possibly begin to accuse people of theft there?

It's got to do with a matter of scale and resources. On my resource scale I can spend $50 and not bat an eye. For some people, that's a weeks wages! (Ahem... Like mouser said... WHAT IS IT WORTH TO YOU!)

Now... If you live in a developed country, then there's no excuse. You can afford my prices and what I'm asking for my software. If you're stealing, then you're stealing. Period. Agreed there.

This is a complex issue and there are real problems in solving it.

But it's just not right for us as software authors in the developed world to complain about fractions of a cent. That's being miserly and greedy in a very obscene and (almost) evil way.

I am not condoning Adobe's behaviour. I am not endorsing any particular licensing scheme. I am endorsing being compassionate and fair to PEOPLE.

Ok - Rant over. :)
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General Software Discussion / Re: RANT: High Software Prices!
« Last post by Renegade on April 18, 2007, 01:37 AM »
Very interesting conversation. I wish I had more time... Anyways...

-- WARNING -- BAD WORD FILTER TEST TO FOLLOW --

For the capitalist "let's push it up as much as possible"... Fuck that. That's just being greedy. I sell software and I could push my prices up if I wanted to and people would still buy it. I am not a greedy bastard. There's no reason to screw people out of money. If the price is fair, then it's fair, but the whole "let's fuck people for as much as we can" thing pisses me off. "Market forces?" Bah! "Market pressures?" Bah!

I think that to some degree it is correct, but that doesn't excuse pure greed.

I once gave a guy a partial refund as he was hard up for cash but wanted my software. Is that bad? Hell no! He loves my software and I've treated him very well. He'll tell people. You can't buy "decency".

There are some segments in software that make me want to puke. Honesty and decency are lost in business all too often. It's unfortunate that the business thing has to ruin it for consumers.

Got to get going... Would love to participate more here - as usual...
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General Software Discussion / Re: Must-have apps in the System tray?
« Last post by Renegade on April 16, 2007, 11:45 PM »
Steve Miller's PureText is a very handy clipboard tool but its function can be replicated via Autohotkey, that's why no one mentioned it, i think.. :)

e.g. Skrommel's PlainPaste
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Darn... I really need to find some time to check out more of these things...

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General Software Discussion / Re: Don't call it "the tray"!
« Last post by Renegade on April 16, 2007, 11:37 PM »
Perhaps true, but never-the-less, it is correct now due to the massive usage of "system tray".

Let me give some examples...

A "gentleman" is not a nice person. In fact, they're generally real bastards. Oh... But that's only if you use "gentleman" in the original sense that it means "land owner". The meaning changed.

When I was a little boy, my sister was a "slut". "Slut" originally meant "little girl" and had no sexual connotations. The word changed.

Similarly, the way "system tray" is used makes it acceptable. i.e. "System tray" = "taskbar notification area"

From the article:
"But why do you care? That's what everybody calls it now, may as well go with the flow."

How would you like it if everybody started calling you by the wrong name?

Summary: It is never correct to refer to the notification area as the tray. It has always been called the "notification area".

Well, really, who cares that much? It's too late to change the world. Everyone uses the wrong phrase. But if everyone calls something by a specific name, then that's what the name is *commonly*.

Whether or not it is correct is besides the point. If you call it by the correct name, will anyone understand what you're saying? I'd rather be understood than be "correct". It makes my life easier and makes the lives of the people I communicate with easier as well.

When I say "blah", I mean that thing over there. If everyone understands that, then there's no need for me to call it anything else. If they don't, then I'd better find out what they call it and use that term.

The article's argument seems very "unixy" in the sense that "A" and "a" are not the same for a file name, but on Windows they are the same. OK, well the unix world is correct. But people understand the Windows way better. Case insensitivity makes sense for most people. Why not just give in and communicate with people in a language that they understand? It would be insane for me to start typing my bad Korean here - nobody would understand, but I'd still be "right".


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General Software Discussion / Re: Must-have apps in the System tray?
« Last post by Renegade on April 16, 2007, 12:19 AM »
Hmmm... A very interesting selection there and I will definitely have to investigate a few of those.

For me, I like CLEAN... No extra crap. I like lots of RAM available and lots of CPU available and I use it all! (I regularly have way too many windows open, and managing them is hellish already - Now where was that Explorer window for the screen shots I need???)

While I really like ScreenCaptor and use it daily, I would not recommend it for most people. For those of us that work in software, it's a MUST though.

I'll heavily second Free Ram. That's almost a no brainer. For everyone.

I didn't see anyone recommend PureText:

 http://www.stevemiller.net/puretext/ 

That's a MUST for everyone. It makes life so much easier. It lets you paste TEXT. Almost stupid, but so necessary.


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General Software Discussion / Re: Drupal is f*cked
« Last post by Renegade on April 11, 2007, 04:42 PM »
there is a lot to love about drupal, and i tend to fly off the handle with frustration sometimes, so i apologize for the harsh nature of my post.. but i just get so infuriated sometimes when it's so hard to do even the simplest things.. i bet some people feel the same way about my software. actually i know some do because i get the hate mail  :P

That's what Shitware.net is for!  :)

We all get frustrated with computers - that's just how things are.

I shy away from the LAMP stuff like Drupal because I really don't like PHP or the messy type of things that you need to do to configure LAMP applications (e.g. Having to configure a web server for case insensitivity is just silly - IIS has this right). Microsoft tends to have things that are more usable and easier. If I really need a *nix solution, then I figure that I'd want to go with Solaris instead. But I don't need strategic nuclear powered *nix servers...

If you really want a good CMS that is easy to work with, DotNetNuke is worth looking at, but it's ASP.NET, not LAMP.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Fun Quiz
« Last post by Renegade on April 02, 2007, 05:00 PM »
Well, my scores varied on the different tests. All the way from 2 to 8. Man... I really burned on one there...
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General Software Discussion / Fun Quiz
« Last post by Renegade on April 01, 2007, 10:40 PM »
I think you'll all like this quiz:

Gullibility Test

You post your score, then I'll post mine! :D


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Developer's Corner / Re: Free subscription to Dr. Dobbs Journal
« Last post by Renegade on March 07, 2007, 04:19 PM »
Bah! North American bigots! :(
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I think the key there will be "limited" layers. Each layer would add some kind of overhead and increase the expense. One layer is probably doable realistically (and maybe a couple more). N-layers wouldn't be realistic at the moment.
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i hope it will support layers and a few other advanced features.

I rather doubt that. I don't think the price of CPU cycles is quite low enough for the advanced stuff. I'm guessing it will rotate, flip, resize, and do red-eye with little more. It's just a gateway freebie for people to buy their other stuff.

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Developer's Corner / Re: Seeking your insightful advice...Where to start?
« Last post by Renegade on March 01, 2007, 09:15 PM »
Renegade if we were on usenet i'd think you're tip toeing the flame bait line ;) You're forgiven for mentioning fortran, as I have a background in physics, even though why anyone would suggest someone learn fortran today for a commercial carreer now is a puzzle to me ;). I know there's still cobol and fortran jobs out there but i think you learn those if you are in a field which uses them, not as a general IT practictioner...

Probably right - I've been known to start the occassional war, albeit inadvertently.

You cannot do any kind of math or heavy iteration on a server

I'm sure you didn't really mean to say that, most heavy maths are done on dedicated servers not client workstations - whether it is computational physics or rendering 3D graphics.

But those aren't "web apps". I meant in that context. Scientific applications are entirely a different breed of software - a breed where Fortran excels incidentally. :)

As to web development, don't write it off like that... after all what differenciates web development from other kinds of development is simply the I/O via http and over open networks - apart from that it's not that different from any other client server system.  And just like every kind of development there are "script kiddies" and hugely mature systems out there, and some self taught script kiddies can code better than "software architects" with a degree in using diagramming software and IDEs...

I just posted something about the web app thing over at JoS:

http://discuss.joelo...asp?joel.3.458711.11

We're still very far from having real applications that live up to expectations running over HTTP. I have yet to see something impressive enough that I would actually use. The new Yahoo Pipes application is nifty, but slow. It would be better running on the client with something other than JavaScript. JavaScript is just too darn slow.

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