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I'll have to be more vigilant. It could be one of my own scripts in InfoQube. What can mess the clipboard chain?

Yes, but it seems that the period is too long or something..?

Thanks mouser!

Hi mouser,
this is something I so frequently have to do (re-establish clipboard chain) that a shortcut key would be extremely useful.
Thanks for considering adding this to the UI!
Take care

Biggest problem I have with it is the unwieldy - at least for me - tagging system.  When I store something, it'll have multiple tags.  However, I'm unable to search on combined tags.  That means that my tag input is increased significantly.  Example would be
  • Donation
  • Coder
  • Donation Coder
That 3rd tag should not be necessary, but it is, as far as I can tell.  Should be able to search/limit, for instance, Donation + Coder without having created the Donation Coder tag.

Slightly off-topic, but maybe worth sharing:

That's why I find that the best way to manage tags in any DB (or anywhere, in fact) is to use
1- standard text fields
2- an OSwide (so to speak) system that's managed through a separate application -- a text expander/script application, like AHK.

I've been using AHK to manage my tags for years now, and I use these tags everywhere : from PDFs comments to filenames, to InfoQube's fields (as many here know, IQ is what I've chosen to manage most of my data for years -- won't develop on that.). After 8 years using this system, I know it works well...

when using standard text fields, search operations like "Donation + Coder" are easy. If the tag system is well thought out, it's also easy to make mass modification to specific tags (using search and replace tools)

The creator of xplorer2 just released DeskRule, a new desktop search tool. The bottom of the product page has a comparison to Windows Search, Everything, Filelocator Pro, X1 Search, and Copernic. After the free trial, it costs $40.

Yes, seems like an intelligent approach to the problem: use what's there (Windows Search) and make it better (Advanced boolean searches, Regular expression support, backup search mode, search customization... ). When I'll have time, I'll have a look at it -- promising!

Agreed - I have really fond memories of X1 from 2001 through about 2008/9, at which point I began searching for alternatives. Every so often, I give the latest version a whirl, most recently this past fall (October? November?). I still find it quite slow and that it has a noticeable impact on my computer (i7 notebook with 4GB dedicated video memory and 32GB RAM running two SSD drives). Thus, it never lasts long... I use the built in Windows Search for just about everything and have dtSearch installed and updated for more complex searches. Like Armando, I have a license for Archivarius but find that I don't need it with dtSearch installed. I settled on dtSearch for my own use because as much as I love Archivarius I find that it's index get larger and larger over time. Haven't had it installed in a couple of years, though, might be time to revisit it. dtSearch has better previewers as well (or did; don't know about today).

Hi Darwin!  :) [Sorry, I'm being off topic, but Darwin is certainly my best desktop search friend.]

I have probably tried all of the local desktop search tools and nothing compares to X1.
Speed, beautiful previews using Oracle Outside In (acquired from Stellent), stability.

I you read some of the earlier posts, you'll see that X1 isn't that great in terms of precision and "exhaustivity". It has many qualities, but it still misses some important ones.

I use this everyday, both at work and at home.

X1's Lightning-Fast Search Software is the Premium Alternative to Windows Desktop and Outlook Search.

X1's award winning, easy-to-use interface simplifies the way business professionals search and act upon desktop files, emails, attachments, SharePoint data, and more.

X1 has shortcomings though. See https://www.donation....msg373198#msg373198  and https://www.donation....msg373217#msg373217

Agent Ransack does not build or maintain an index, it searches on the fly. So it can be accurate (at least when I've used it) but don't expect results fast if you're looking through a lot of stuff. It's most useful if you can narrow down the best place to look.

Thanks. That's what I thought as I previewed FileLocator many years ago... Was wondering because of the unconditional love it's getting.
I'll stick to indexed content. Updating an index, if done relatively regularly, is fast enough.

AgentRansack beats them all
and its free...

In terms of speed and accuracy for file content search, how does AgentRansack (AKA filelocator) compare to DtSearch, Archivarius and the like ?

I rarely use it for search, but it's been a constant drain on resources, so I might just have to disable it permanently. So for me the FileSearchy approach probably makes more sense.

Many desktop search tool can update their index only at specific time or manually ; Archivarius, DtSearch are  2 of them.

Does FileSearchy need to index file content (how does the content search work) ?

It looks like it. When I launch it, for a minute or so there is a little indicator in the bottom left corner that says "indexing". Then it says "Index: ready."


FileSearchy is another one to keep in mind. It can search both file names and their contents and order them by the number of matches ("relevance") and show the density of matches within each document (besides other filtering options). It was a while ago I compared them but I think I preferred FileSearchy to DocFetcher (I think the search was more complete or something along those lines).

Does FileSearchy need to index file content (how does the content search work) ?

my tests results so far comparing : Copernic Desktop Search vs. X1 Search vs. Dtsearch vs. Archivarius 3000 (limited to 10,000 files due to trial limit).
I tested them on only : one of my archive folder (year 2008) + one folder containing some emails (.eml) + one folder containing some big pdf files and one .epub file).

Cool. This mirrors my own findings.

Archivarius would probably come close to DtSearch in terms of speed and accuracy. Actually, Archivarius sometimes does a better jobs with more complex expressions. Since you used only one term, not a group of words, Archivarius space and hyphen treatment doesn't show here. That's why I combine both -- DtSearch and Archivarius. (Archivarius was pretty cheap when I bought it... many years ago. Never had to pay any upgrade since then.)

That said,  when it comes to sheer power, DtSearch works best.
Hopefully, one day the DtSearch team will implement some of X1's neat features (DtSearch doesn't allow as many actions on found items as X1 does).

(Note that I still use Windows Desktop search to index Outlook stuff. That's because I can integrate it with Find and Run Robot, which makes searching emails, calendar, etc. a breeze.)


I have tried X1 with the big pdf file inside your link : https://www.donation....msg220457#msg220457
Indeed, to my surprise, the pdf is not indexed in full by X1 ! I have tested it into another big pdf file of mine and I have the same result ! ;(
I don't know why but X1 stops indexing pdf files after some number of characters. Maybe 1Million or something else like Google Drive? I don't know !

Also I noticed that X1 did not index some of my yearly subfolders (see above).

I going to test dtsearch ! ;)

See ya ;)

Ah. So those problems are still there...  Too bad X1 developers didn't fix them, otherwise I'd probably still be using it (I like the column filtering UI).
Although... being able to use RegEx to search file content makes DtSearch more precise and powerful (purely as a search tool). I absolutely wouldn't trade RegEx capabilities for a few gadgets and eye candy.

Tried it many years ago (2008). It was ok, but too basic for my needs. E.g. not enough options for filtering, couldn't see indexed comments in pdf and doc, etc.
In general it looked like a promising project. It might be much better now (6-7 years later...).

In fact after watching some videos about it, I won't try it because I don't use regex for searching keywords, and because the interface seems not very enough user friendly (I don't want to click many times just to do a keyword search !).

Normally searching is straight forward : if DtSearch is opened (I do it quickly with a keyb shortcut) 1- press ctrl+s, 2- type your term and press enter.
Of course, it can be longer if you need to switch DB, select other options than the one you usually need etc.

For simple keyword searching, without any other options, Archivarius would do the trick perfectly. I also use Archivarius to index only metadata on files stored on the network - Archivarius does that better than DTSearch as you can tell Archivarius to index only metadata for certain indexes; AFAIK you can't do that with DtSearch.

About X1 : If X1 can now index word and pdf comments (it did years ago, but wouldn't show the actual comments... not very useful) and  fully index some of the bigger ones (see that post and that one), then it might be worth it...

it all depends on one's needs. If precision and completeness is key, then it's good to make a bunch of tests and see how it works.

Windows desktop search is okay for casual usage.

For serious research (and after extensive tests : text length, comments in pdf and word documents, meta data, etc.) I use a mix of DtSearch (specially because you can use Reg Ex), Archivarius and Everything.

Why do I mix Archivarius and DtSearch ? Simply because their algorithms for dealing with space and dashes are different and lead to different results.  But if I had to choose one (but I woudn't...), I'd probably go with DtSearch : indexing is fairly quick and there are more search options to get what you want. Archivarius is fast too, but its search syntax isn't as sophisticated. Both could have better interface.

I use everything for filename/foldername search as it's so quick and its search syntax is very flexible and powerful (e.g. Regex can be used).

That said, I always find it weird when Everything is listed side by side with other software like X1, DTSearch or Archivarius. It's not the  same thing at all! Yes, most so called "Desktop search" software will be able to search file names (although not foldernames), but software like Everything won't be able to search file content.

[Edit: about X1 : used to be my favorite, many years ago, but had to drop it because of performance reason and inaccuracy : it wouldn't index bigger documents well enough. See my comments earlier in the thread. To me, accuracy and precision are of absolute importance. If I'm looking for something and can't get to it when I know it's there... and then I'm forced to search "by hand"... There's a BIG problem.]

Living Room / Re: Google Is Not What It Seems
« on: October 29, 2014, 09:11 PM »
It was interesting to see him outline how Schmidt has always been politically connected.

About the only thing he didn't say was that Schmidt (and the like) are part of the shadow government.

Found it very interesting too. Schmidt seems like a fascinating character... Without being paranoid, there's something a bit chilling about the Google empire, its links with the political, etc. The impact on present and future world politics, people rights interpretations, the manipulation of world culture, the modification of individuals ways of perceiving right and wrong, ugly and beautiful, etc. ad infinitum. We're in for a great ride,for the better or worse.

Living Room / Google Is Not What It Seems
« on: October 29, 2014, 06:26 PM »
Haven't seen this here, yet. Interesting article, even for the non-paranoid critical eye and potential Assange disliker.

Assange: Google Is Not What It Seems

Unfortunately no luck reaching the three under "Lots of screencasts/videos… Here are some interesting URLs with a few fun tricks"...

You're right, seems like the screencasts have been removed.

I haven't been coding for a little while  :( ...   so... have no experience with Stacked Git. Sounds interresting...

Here's a list I put together 2-3 years ago in an earlier post : https://www.donation....msg251306#msg251306

OK, thanks mouser.  Maybe DCUpdater should then only check those apps that really depend on it (if any) to get updated -- like older versions of your tools.
For all others, when they check if there's an update or not : if they're portable, the users are taken to the website, if they're not, DCUpdater is started, etc. Or something like that... Whatever. Thanks again!

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