PS.
No, I'm not working for Microsoft.-wasker
Bummer! The only reason I asked is because a lot of what you are saying (along with the overall tone) strongly resembles things I see on the Microsoft Partner website and in TechNet white papers.
It's hard to find Microsoft employees that are willing to get into an open forum discussion. (I suspect they have a corporate policy about them not doing that.) Still, I was hoping you were with Microsoft since it would be refreshing to get into a conversation with someone who's with
The Mothership.
Hope you weren't offended by my asking.
Finally you got it! -wasker
Yup. And I disagree.
(Actually, I "got it" quite a while back. Trust me, I'm nowhere near as dumb as I look.
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Now you have a number (85%) and NO additional information and you're so happy to read about 85% completely neglecting the fact that you don't know a thing about what this number consists of.
-wasker
Hmm...I didn't realize I was "so happy" to read about anything. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. And all this time I just thought I was sharing my thoughts and opinions on the topic.
And I do know something about that 85% that seems to bothering you. I know that Gartner:
a) knows what constitutes open source software
b) surveyed 274 companies
c) found that 233 of those 274 companies (i.e. 85%) were using open source software
d) were told by the remaining 41 companies that they planned to use open source products in the upcoming year
and
e0 (as was mentioned earlier), that their report also included the following:
The three principle reasons for open source that Gartner found are lower software costs, lower development costs and easier start-up of new IT projects. Other reasons frequently mentioned are independence from a single software manufacturer and faster development processes. Customer service applications are the leading non-infrastructure workload for which open source software is used, followed by enterprise integration, finance and administration, and business analytics applications. The biggest problem with open source, according to Gartner, is the fact that nearly 70 percent of those surveyed have no explicit guidelines for the deployment of open source.
To my way of looking at it, this is all rather clear: A product is either open source or it's not. Either 233 out of the 274 surveyed companies are using open source, or they're not. Gartner is either truthfully reporting their findings, or they're not. And the reasons Gartner has reported they were given by the companies surveyed are either true, or they're not.
I really don't see what is so mysterious or hard to comprehend. The definitions and numbers are very specific. Now, I know it has become fashionable, in some quarters, to automatically dispute any statistical claim. But considering when you look at the specifics, this is hardly a figure or report that lends itself to that sort of debate.
I think I have a considerably more to go on than you have with your assertion (which you continue to repeat without offering any specifics) that this 85% number is meaningless.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but 99% of Mom and Pop's businesses will either stay as Mom and Pop's businesses or go out of business altogether.
-wasker
Interesting...I wasn't aware I even had "a parade" to rain on. But to your comment about small businesses:
So what? If they do go out of business, or stay small, I doubt (except in very special cases) that it would have much to do with what software they were running.
(Actually, I've heard different than 99% - but I suppose that too would depend on whose reported numbers you choose to believe and whose parade you wanted to rain on.
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OK. Seems to me like you and me are starting to go around in circles, so I'm going to bow out of the conversation and let somebody else take the floor.
Anybody else out there that "Gets it?"
