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Yes, but if you use any of those on a cop, it's always a felony attempted homicide charge. Funny how the law isn't consistent.-zridling (December 16, 2011, 10:38 PM)
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All without hearing from the other side. Seem excessive? It sure does. Venkat notes how extraordinary these remedies are. Think about it for a second: based solely on the declaration of a Philip Morris employee, the court is ordering the full transfer not just of websites, but of any funds being sent to a website. That's insane and a clear violation of any reasonable due process.
As Congress debates the provisions that could make up the controversial SOPA bill, it looks as if the US courts are already shutting down websites for what could be considered unauthorized use or infringement without a just trial ever being carried out.
In the case against websites advertising allegedly counterfeit Chanel products, a District Court judge in Nevada allowed the legitimate manufacturer to seize around 600 domain names that were related to but not affiliated with the company. Additionally, restraining orders and injunctions were handed to the biggest search engine and Web companies in the world barring sites such as Google and Yahoo! from indexing or linking to the sites in question. In that instance, the federal judge allowed Chanel to seize the domains and transfer them to US-based registrar GoDaddy without any say from the defendants. And, according to the court ruling, those that even “promote” the sale of Chanel goods, legitimate or otherwise, can be added to the injunction and seized in the future.
Running it on a non-standard port will help as well.-skwire (December 19, 2011, 12:17 AM)
The whole web is very retarded, definitely 100% spot-on there Renegade.-nudone (December 17, 2011, 08:21 AM)
Known in the past for taking a soft touch when it comes to forcing users to update their browsers, Microsoft's pulling off the kid gloves and going for a bullet to the head.
Things like this really make me dislike Apple users:Apple has made it pretty easy to start writing iOS apps. Of course, Step One is “Buy a Mac.” Easy! Then just download the free Xcode Installer from the Mac App Store, and start writing code when it’s done.
Android is a bit more involved. You can download the SDK easily, but to actually start writing code, you’ll want to setup Eclipse and install Google’s ADT Plugin.
"Apple makes it so easy! Just spend $2,000 on a new computer and you're good to go after you download some free software! But Android is so hard because you have to download three separate free software packages. Boo hoo! Why does it have to be so hard to program for Android?"-Deozaan (December 16, 2011, 08:06 PM)
Eclipse is a world unto itself. It’s the IDE to end IDEs. Consequently, it has many abstract-sounding concepts you’ll have to learn. There are Workspaces, and Perspectives, and Run Configurations. And Eclipse itself is just an empty shell of sorts; all non-trivial functionality is provided via a complex network of interdependent Plugins, similar to Linux distributions. Come to think of it…
Of course, IDE weirdness isn’t unique to Eclipse; Xcode was pretty damn weird at first too, and it’s getting more meta with each release (Schemes, anyone?).
Such are the frustrations when you're not drinking the kewlaid. 
The real problem with bundling is it's just another form of "monetizing."
And "monetizing" is (to me) a fundamentally sneaky way of trying to make some money by talking around rather than openly trying to sell something.
Dunno. In my (admittedly personal) scheme of things, it just strikes me as intrinsically deceptive approach to doing business. And one which provides far too many opportunities for abuse.
I'm truly starting to long for the days when it used to be: The price for this software is $xxx. If you want to use our software, pay the price we've asked. Otherwise, you can't use our software. We're sorry if some of you can't afford it. But that's the way it is.
That was called "selling."
Contrast that with "monetizing."-40hz (December 16, 2011, 06:40 AM)
I just can't see the jump from "bundle" to "deception" or "malware".I don't see why not. Even someone like me who came to the internet late knows about toolbar, adware and spyware bundling.-Renegade-Paul Keith (December 16, 2011, 01:16 AM)
(P.S. I'm assuming you've read db9oh's posts against bundling before but if you haven't, err... that's kind of his perspective. He's talked about it a lot more in a DC thread elsewhere. The one about -ware something.)-Paul Keith (December 16, 2011, 01:16 AM)
Hehehe~! I think it would be harder for us to be more diametrically opposed on this topic~!-Renegade (December 15, 2011, 10:49 PM)
The difference is I like the idea of providing a simple service for a fair price. This 'alternate method' of revenue generation, bundling, relies on deception. Further, the introduction of so many bundled apps to a PC is not a good thing. It harms society at large, and thus is unethical. The day may come when no user trusts to install any extra PC software, thanks to bundles.-db90h (December 15, 2011, 11:40 PM)
)For paying F/OSS authors, I'm all for that, but we discussed the problems with that above. Free/Open Source projects, by nature, have lots of contributors, and thus division of revenue is more than a little problematic. Bundles are more likely to kill F/OSS than nurture it. Read above for this, and why.-db90h (December 15, 2011, 11:40 PM)
As for the other stuff, you are on a tangent, as we are talking about bundles and software. Not web sites. Not advertising. We are speaking of invasive software seeking to gain entry into PCs, such as the aforementioned Clean Water bundle, gotta love it.-db90h (December 15, 2011, 11:40 PM)
Your spin is quite good though, but it is just that. You can't spin away bundles.
-db90h (December 15, 2011, 11:40 PM)
While most youngsters do everything to keep on Santa's good side, one schoolgirl has torn up tradition and used her festive wish list to issue Father Christmas with an ultimatum: gifts or he gets it.
Demanding Mekeeda Austin, 13, warned Father Christmas that he will be 'killed' if he fails to deliver at least two of her long list of lavish gifts.
As an author -- find an approach that you can sustain for the long haul, and be clear to users about your approach to sustainability. That is, if you are only going to work on something until you get bored -- tell your users this up front. If you are committed to long term development of your software, make sure you can do this without becoming homeless. If you are planning on releasing a free version until you get some users and then will switch into a commercial version, tell your users. If you haven't thought about the issues of how to sustain development of your free software, give it some thought.-mouser (December 15, 2011, 10:10 PM)