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Mm, so far existing efforts to "petition" MS to actually make the thing don't seem too popular: http://www.petitiono...ourier/petition.html
http://www.petitions...ns/microsoftcourier/

Would a dedicated website make the difference? Who knows. :D

- Oshyan
It certainly can't hurt ... and I signed both of the above - Now that I know about them... ;)

Perhaps the site could be a web ring hub of all the places to sign the various seperate petitions in an attempt to combine them all into one (louder) voice.
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I've got crap for time these days, but (for an MS Courier resurrection) I can be available to assist with some stuff if needed.
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Outside of softening the angle on the engineer's role (company policy put the phone in his hand on the street - the outcome was inevitable), that pretty much sums up my take on the whole affair.

If Apple would have left their very own internal gaystapo perched on the guys door step (not just visit once as a token gesture), to sweat the phone out of him - I'd of thought that to be funny as hell - It would even have earned them a few points in my book. But instead the bully went crying to mommy because little johnny stood up to them...and that just ain't right.
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But for what I do, I've come to increasingly see that the iPad is a good fit.  And if that's the case, then how does it fall short?  They're all tools- use what works for you, not what anyone tells you is right for you, whether it's the company that makes the tools, or the people around you that use them, IMO.  And a lesson that I took away from it also- don't depend on the marketing or anti-marketing efforts, try the device and see if it will fit your workflow.

He's right - Even if I do hate Apple & refuse to buy an iAnything. - Making your own decision is the wisest course.
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I can see the headlines now:
    Will the HPalm explode... Film at 11:00
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Site/Forum Features / Re: Discussion: How can we Improve DonationCoder?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on May 06, 2010, 07:40 AM »
She's got a point there - I also use the visited link color method to identify where I've been.
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But Apple continues its "Emperor's New Clothes" marketing. It's almost like marketing a Honda motorcycle as the best bicycle around, while some of us are scratching our heads wondering why you wouldn't just go with a Harley-Davidson. That may be a bad analogy, since I'm not into motorcycles and don't know what would be considered low, mid, or top-class in the motorcycle realm, but I hope the idea comes across well.

As a biker that's been riding Harleys for over 25 years - I'd say you did just fine! :)
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@wraith808 - It's all good man, I've had days where I phrased things a bit shorter then I meant to too. ;)

@StoicJoker-

Like it! ;D :Thmbsup:
That's a relief, I had a feeling if nobody got the humor I'd get hammered for it  :-\ ...but I hit post anyway.

But there's a few problems with the analogy.
Damn, Okay I'll give it a shot.

  • Bookie Jim is engaged in an illegal activity. Apple isn't. (At least on paper.)
Well... Unless you're planning to use the two wrongs make a right defense, you can't really leverage that distinction.

  • Sleazy Pete is working for the police as a paid informant. Gizmodo isn't.
Actually no, SP is just some random schmuck off the street. Perhaps it's just a Florida thing, but we have 1-800-crimeline billboards all over the place. Any Joe average can dial-in a dime on someone/thing and pickup a check (assuming the tip is (convict-able) valid). Being a bar owner (Where PR is an issue for both sides...), I've had occasion to spend quality time with the local Fuzz discussing who is on the top of their Would-Like-to-Find list - So I know first hand that really interesting tips get better rewards.

The connection I was making is that either way a "stolen item" was being "purchased" by way of a "finders fee".

  • A paper notebook isn't an engineering prototype. It may contain secrets, but there isn't anything in its form or function that is inherently proprietary. The iPhone contains both proprietary data and embodies proprietary intellectual property in its hardware and design.
The notebook contained the client list, inventory, and a booking operation business model.

Objectively:
 1. Notebook was $3 at staples
 2. iPhone was $10 in parts at RadioShack.

...However, both carry a high intrinsic value to either side in both cases.

  • The DA has made it clear he's after Jim. Regardless of how any of us may feel, nobody in authority is actively going after Apple. (At least not yet.)

The roles get fuzzy here true. But the connection is an expressed interest in acquiring something that quite likely will be stolen. Distinction being, it's apparently (by way of observation) perfectly fine and good to sell stolen items to the police (as long as it's not being done during a sting operation).

We have to be careful with analogies. That's why the article by Prof. Green was so valuable. He basically forces us to confront the facts in the actual incident - and the relevant laws - rather than the philosophical and moral issues surrounding them.

Agreed. ...however, the laws that are relevant, are based on the philosophical and moral environment of the time period in which they were penned. This is usually referred to colloquialistic-ally as the Spirit-of-the-Law in question.

As former Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. once remarked:

"This is a court of law, young man, not a court of justice."

And that's an important and very real distinction.

Absolutely - Problem being that part of the destinction between the two is not everybody can afford the same quality of attorney... Not to mention that politics frequently plays heavily in whether or not somebody gets a pass or a crucifixion (seen most frequently during election years...).
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Living Room / Re: One of my cats, Titch, passed away yesterday
« Last post by Stoic Joker on May 05, 2010, 01:06 PM »
Sorry for your loss - We do get attached to our furry friends.
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Let say there's this cat called Bookie Jim who runs an illegal gambling operation. Now Jim's a slick one, and doesn't trust technology - He keeps all on his betting info in a small notebook (and every knows Jims notebook - 'cause he's always got it with him).

Now the fuzz got a tip line 1-800-Report-D-Crimnal - and they'll pay anybody $400 for information that will land them a solid collar (prosecutable arrest). And being that they're so tired of old Jim, they up the anti to $4,000 if sombody can give them a way (any way) of putting O'l Jim behind bars!

Jim gets hammered one fine evening (what is a special occasion) and passes out at the bar - leaving the notebook on the seat beside him...

Sleasy Pete is a snitch - Who has (he feels) a hankering need for that $4,000... So be bumps into Jims table (a few times), fetches the notebook from the floor (when it falls), and then beats feet down to the local PD to turn in the notebook (of Jims) what he'd "found"...

The Fuzz happily pay Sleasy Pete the $4,000 for the notebook, because it has everything they need to bring down Jim's opperation and be rid of him for good.

Now do you really think that anybody in the DA's office is gonna give a rats ass about Jims complaint that his notebook was stolen?!?

Do you really think Sleasy Pete is going to get arrested for stealing Jims Notebook?!?

Hell No - He'll be way to busy posing for photos with his shiny new Key-to-the-City...
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Living Room / Re: The conflict of interest that is Google
« Last post by Stoic Joker on May 05, 2010, 05:47 AM »
That's the problem with SEO strategies. Most of them are based on some combination of common sense, deductive reasoning, and observation. Many also include a healthy dose of wishful thinking.
That reminds me of my favorite response when the brass start asking (or pondering aloud) about what if any SEO we should start shoveling money at. I usually reply: How do you recon they get all 400 folks that paid for their services to fit in the Top Ten of the same category?

This leads to a fundamental problem:

For Google, SEO is an exact science. For everybody else - it's an educated guess.

Small wonder Google can precisely place a 'hit' anyplace they want in their rankings.
Now there's one I never thought of, and it does indeed make perfect sense.
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Site/Forum Features / Re: Discussion: How can we Improve DonationCoder?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on May 04, 2010, 10:14 PM »
so from my standpoint i think maybe the best bang for the buck in terms of improving site organization is to leave the forum as it is -- and just focus on making the rest of the non-forum website pages on DonationCoder.com better in terms of exposing the rest of the content on the site, and making it easier to maintain those pages.
 
 :up: :up: :up:

- Oshyan

+1

Werks for me too.
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I can't help but think that if something valuable to me were found/stolen and I told the police who I thought had the item that I'd get not much more than a cop knocking on that person's door as an investigation.  I guess that I'm just jealous that Apple gets a full blown bash-the-door-in raid.
Two things come to mind:
 1. Been there, done that, and can attest to the fact that they won't do squat.

 2. That's just one of the advantages of being in the PD's (over) REACT(ion) comitty...
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The only person that I see that is getting the short end of the stick truly is the engineer if what I've read is true- that Apple does have their engineers go out into the field and use the phone as their primary phone. Because if that's the case, then this was eventually going to happen, and he just seemed to draw the short stick in this deal.

Now on that note I will totally agree with you (which should probably be marked on a calendar somewhere... ;) )
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Living Room / Re: How to work with stupid people
« Last post by Stoic Joker on May 04, 2010, 05:36 AM »
I'll go with Asimov's answer also.
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Post New Requests Here / Re: IDEA: DNS director
« Last post by Stoic Joker on May 03, 2010, 03:52 PM »
Oh. ...We're not really here to assist you in hacking your companies network (Admins tend to block things for reasons).

:)
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Post New Requests Here / Re: IDEA: DNS director
« Last post by Stoic Joker on May 03, 2010, 12:25 PM »
By short names, do you mean the NetBIOS names? If you want to prevent that from doing broadcast resolution you would need to set the node type in DHCP and/or setup a WINS server.

The MS DNS server will happily handle multiple domains (just setup a zone for the ones you want it to handle) and forwarding of other (external) domains to external DNS. But (to get the zone type correct) it would be best to know more about why you have multiple domains and what if anything they are seperated by.

Are they all parent domains, or are some child domains?

Are they all in the same forest?

Is this a LAN, WAN, MAN, or VPN based network?

Am I correct in assuming this is a Windows network...?
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Site/Forum Features / Re: Discussion: How can we Improve DonationCoder?
« Last post by Stoic Joker on May 02, 2010, 09:59 AM »
What about having a code snippets library with sample code bits on how to do various things that tend to trip people up when coding. Like my first attempt at using a ListView control took way longer than it needed to because of the complexity involved - Until I ran into the right code sample that made things (finally) click.

Kind of like what CodeProject does but a much simpler version that consentrates on basic How-to-Use-Control-X examples, instead of just providing the source with/for large, complex, & complete(er) projects.
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Living Room / Re: The conflict of interest that is Google
« Last post by Stoic Joker on May 02, 2010, 09:41 AM »
...And here I thought it was just me being to picky. I almost always use quotes & plusses when doing a search to quickly target error messages or APIs that I'm researching. Because less is more (results wise) for that type of search.

But yes, lately the usless crap links even when doing some thing extremely specific is quite annoying - I've even resorted (with great success) to using Bing a few times when Google just gave solid crap for results (e.g. two banner farms & a drive by).
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 :greenclp: :greenclp: :greenclp:

That exact point has been gnawing at me for some time. The evil faceless corporation bent on domination (/repression of) the population was a popular theme of SiFi in the 60's & 70's. Unfortunately its message seems to have backfired as the only thing that seems to have been learned is that as long as you're at the top it's all good. Donald Trumps show The Apprentice (which I detest) comes to mind for the complete lack of integrity shown (and applauded) in the quest for the biggest pile of ca$h. Happy customers? Quality Product? Irrelivant... Just as long as a huge pile of dough is raked in. I find the attitude quite disgusting.
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Living Room / Re: Apple instigates Police Raid over lost/stolen iPhone 4G
« Last post by Stoic Joker on April 30, 2010, 10:08 PM »
...Depending on who got ahold of it. You say you could do a great deal with it - Okay... - At what age? The one you are now, or the one you were in 1975? (It's a gamble on my part, you could be in your 60s now... ;)
Not in my 60s, but in 79 I made a science project in which I made a robot arm that could move up and down... and I had to wire a circuit board and bridge it to my Apple II computer and made a program to allow the user to control it from the keyboard.  A few years later... but not much.

Cool. In 79 I did my first solo engine rebuild, actually I rebuilt the whole bike (CB450 Honda twin) from the ground up.

Keep in mind the intention was to share a glimmer of thing to come with the throng of frothing accolades - Not to copy Uber Secret Chip X and rush it into production at competitor Y. Apple created "the Monster" that got off the chain - Gizmodo just gave it a carrot. A is business as usual. Were B the case I'd (still laugh, but) agree with you.
No matter what their intent was, they were still doing it by illegal means that they just thought they could get away with.  It's not the size of the incident, but the principle behind it.  You traffic in stolen goods, you get slammed if caught.

Fortunately the world isn't quite that black & white, reality is really more a myriad shades of gray. I've seen a multitude of these discussions go into the wall because somebody just had to play the nursery school marm stealing bad/momma spank cut and dried nonsense. As I've mentioned before, any time there is enough money involved, the rules change - That's just life in the big mean corporate world.

And even for the average Joe types, it's not always quite so crystal clear. for example, by the definition you're eluding to I submit this summery:

Any time one sets forth by stealth of design to willfully and intentionally with or without deception acquire property that they have no legal right of ownership to from the legal owner of said property they are without exception guilty of theft, and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

...Correct?

Now in some countries, the penalty for theft is to cut off the thief's hand - So we'll set the bar there (come on you just new I was headed for some manner of crazy ass-ed extreme).

Now, lets say your buddy, is drunk. I don't mean the slightly tipsy "legally drunk", I'm talking flat out smashed, blind, staggering, can't hold onto the floor drunk. In an attempt to prevent him from driving (obviously a bad idea) ... you orchestrate the separation of him and his car keys (e.g. you steal them). Hence by definition above a crime despite the best of intentions... Guilty - and off goes the hand. Cut, dried, completely in accordance with the law, done.

But wait... There's more! Lets say  - you draw the short straw - and get a still sopping wet fresh from graduation public defender, and the prosecuting attorney is in a bad mood (it's an election year, he's down on points, & looking for a good quick kill). So now due to the fact that your actions directly impaired said party's ability to leave...they tack on unlawful detention. Yeah now it's a party - I wonder what they cut off for that one?

Point being stealing is not always wrong.

-Legal fees = a vacuum.
Not if it goes like you think it should and nothing happens to them legally.  See how that works?
Sure do, It's called a gamble, and is a standard part of any business. Large corporation dump toxic waste where they like, because the fines are cheaper than the cost of proper disposal. They're gambling on the price of the fine not changing. When it comes to politics vs. tax money - They're probably right too.

Accountable for what? Depriving Lord Jobs of a teensy weensy little spark from his next over-the-top release worship revival light show? If they actually had a product... other than their immense marketing hype inducer machine, this would be a total non-issue.

No... accountability for breaking the law.  And I'm no apple apologist, but its just the rule of law at work.  And you start breaking it down at these levels, and you pave the way for future grander violations.


That actually happened years ago. Hay if Diplomatic Immunity hasn't gotten us all killed by now - I'm not seeing this as a real issue.

Which is one of the reasons it's lame of them to bring the journalistic shield into play since you're using something that's meant to protect real journalists in a way that in the future could limit it when it really needs to be used.
If they tossed in a dead nun and a few pound of heroin (making an obvious stretch for Tech Journalism...) I'd agree with ya. But IMO, this is just what that shield be for.
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Living Room / Re: Steve Jobs tells us how he really feels about Flash...
« Last post by Stoic Joker on April 30, 2010, 06:28 PM »
We don’t want to reduce the reliability and security of our iPhones, iPods and iPads by adding Flash.

(Completely Flash-less iPhones were banned at how many hacking conferences due to security (being swiss cheese) problems...?)

Did anybody else pee themselves laughing when they read this line?
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N.A.N.Y. 2010 / Re: NANY 2010 Release: Page Countster
« Last post by Stoic Joker on April 30, 2010, 05:27 PM »
Glad you're enjoying it - and once again Thank You for letting me know the site had gone poof!
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Living Room / Re: Apple instigates Police Raid over lost/stolen iPhone 4G
« Last post by Stoic Joker on April 30, 2010, 05:20 PM »
So if you take a computer today and take it back to 1975 it would be worth nothing?  Yeah... I'd like to see that.  Even without the OS, it would still be worth quite a bit,
Once again to whom? Back in 75 there was what maybe a dozen or so engineers that would have had a clue what they were looking at - To anyone else on the planet it's a doorstop.
If you had given a *working* computer to me in 1975, I could have figured out quite a few things without an OS.  Give it to someone with a lab and degree... yeah.  You don't need an OS to learn quite a bit from the computer.  I guarantee if you'd give something like this to IBM the landscape when you got back to 2010 would be a *lot* different.  I'm not saying it would be instantaneous, but...
...Depending on who got ahold of it. You say you could do a great deal with it - Okay... - At what age? The one you are now, or the one you were in 1975? (It's a gamble on my part, you could be in your 60s now... ;)

Keep in mind the intention was to share a glimmer of thing to come with the throng of frothing accolades - Not to copy Uber Secret Chip X and rush it into production at competitor Y. Apple created "the Monster" that got off the chain - Gizmodo just gave it a carrot. A is business as usual. Were B the case I'd (still laugh, but) agree with you.

Gizmodo made more than the $5k on the phone, and the person that sold it made more than the $100 that is speculated.  If it wasn't worth more than $100 how do you explain that?  But I suppose that makes no difference in calculating worth?

 :huh: Gizmodo Made money on the phone? I thought they paid $5k for the phone - or did Apple reimburse them the finders fee + gratuity?
Gizmodo makes money from traffic.  You don't think that this story boosted their traffic?  Therefore boost in traffic = money = profit on $5k.
-Legal fees = a vacuum.

All we really have here is a bully (Apple) that's gone crying to the (Fuzz) teacher because they got their bluff called. They got their silly damn phone back - everybody's even - let it go. There's just no profit in destroying Chan's poor ass.

There's a certain thing called a deterrent.  Gawker was warned about this when they *put* out the bounty, and they were able to get hardware from the bounty after being warned...   I wouldn't mind at all seeing them fry.  I don't agree with the tactics of the police, but I do think they need to be held accountable.
Accountable for what? Depriving Lord Jobs of a teensy weensy little spark from his next over-the-top release worship revival light show? If they actually had a product... other than their immense marketing hype inducer machine, this would be a total non-issue.
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Living Room / Re: Apple instigates Police Raid over lost/stolen iPhone 4G
« Last post by Stoic Joker on April 30, 2010, 03:30 PM »
So if you take a computer today and take it back to 1975 it would be worth nothing?  Yeah... I'd like to see that.  Even without the OS, it would still be worth quite a bit,
Once again to whom? Back in 75 there was what maybe a dozen or so engineers that would have had a clue what they were looking at - To anyone else on the planet it's a doorstop.

and thinking that it wouldn't be makes me see that perhaps I should bow out of this conversation.
That'd make for a dull afternoon... :( ;)

It's quite obvious that *even without the OS* a next generation iPhone is worth more than $100 intrinsically.

Not to me... :)

Gizmodo made more than the $5k on the phone, and the person that sold it made more than the $100 that is speculated.  If it wasn't worth more than $100 how do you explain that?  But I suppose that makes no difference in calculating worth?

 :huh: Gizmodo Made money on the phone? I thought they paid $5k for the phone - or did Apple reimburse them the finders fee + gratuity?

And as a BTW, I know for a *fact* that my Volvo will crank without the Central Electric Module installed and working- because I've had to do it before.  Just as the iPhone without the OS still starts.  The hardware does indeed work... you just have to replace the software.

I can assure you that is not the norm for the modern day automobile. Some older vehicles weren't entirely dependent on the solid state engine control units...but now days with coil packs and the distributer no-longer being used, the only route from the crank position sensor to the plugs is through the (software) brain.

Frankly, to me the "value" of said phone is irrelevant, as I really don't consider it's little roadtrip a theft in any way, kind, sort, or form. Granted it ws perhaps a tad unethical of the participants... But no more so than any of the other crap that goes on behind closed doors of the corporate machine that we all know and "love".

Kind of like the scareware scams that are so prevalent today - Extortion is a crime - and if you or I tried that shit, we be in jail faster that we could blink. But... Corporation (with shiny 5 star legal team) does it, and all of a sudden its (to hard to prosecute) not illegal. The rules are different when (big) money is involved - and many things have a way of getting handled "internally".

All we really have here is a bully (Apple) that's gone crying to the (Fuzz) teacher because they got their bluff called. They got their silly damn phone back - everybody's even - let it go. There's just no profit in destroying Chan's poor ass.
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