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N.A.N.Y. 2009 / Re: NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)
« Last post by skwire on December 12, 2009, 10:14 AM »
v1.0.3 build 261 - 2009-12-12
    + Added option under the View menu to show/hide gridlines of the main playlist.  (Thanks, Greybrow)
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N.A.N.Y. 2009 / Re: NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)
« Last post by skwire on December 12, 2009, 09:03 AM »
Collection is about 8000.
About dropping files. Trout could first save the list, and then read it. Or read it on demand (after scrolling).
-Greybrow (December 12, 2009, 07:36 AM)

No, I'm not going to change this behaviour.

Is there a way to change playlist grid color? Or change line to dotted line? Or turn it off?
I like lime on black theme, and almost white grid spoils it a bit. :)
-Greybrow (December 12, 2009, 07:36 AM)

I can add an option to toggle the grid.  The grid colour itself, as far as I know, can only be changed via Windows colour schemes.

I have just tried aimp2. It takes 5MB of ram opened, 9MB with collection loaded as playlist, and 16MB with library opened.
And it does gapless. And last.fm. And has library and tag editor. And plays wide variety of music formats. But looks more like winamp
-Greybrow (December 12, 2009, 07:36 AM)

I am familiar with AIMP and I think it's an extremely well done music player.  However, I'm not a fan of skinned interfaces.  Trout is not written to compete with other players.  I simply don't care about things like RAM usage (unless an app uses hundreds of megs for no good reason).  For the record, within Trout, I don't use any SetProcessWorkingSetSize tricks to artificially lower apparent RAM usage.

I started writing Trout for myself and I'm very flattered that many many people, including yourself now, have helped shape what it is today.
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N.A.N.Y. 2009 / Re: NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)
« Last post by skwire on December 12, 2009, 06:41 AM »
v1.0.3 build 258 - 2009-12-12
    * Trout will now unmute itself if changes are made to the volume while it's muted.  (Thanks, lanux128)
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Post New Requests Here / Re: Close window with mouse
« Last post by skwire on December 12, 2009, 06:29 AM »
Thank you skwire, super, works very well, that's what I need. Jürgen
-plutokang (December 12, 2009, 06:03 AM)

You're welcome.  I'm glad to help.
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N.A.N.Y. 2010 / Re: NANY 2010 TEASER: FARR Plugin ProcessInfo
« Last post by skwire on December 12, 2009, 05:29 AM »
Wow...very cool.  Nice job.
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N.A.N.Y. 2009 / Re: NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)
« Last post by skwire on December 11, 2009, 08:12 PM »
I was wondering how much would it take, with library turned off. So I checked :) 14MB
-Greybrow (December 11, 2009, 07:27 PM)

Same here.  Without the database enabled, foobar is extremely quick to start up.  However, I like having a searchable database within my audio players.

Trout was 8MB empty, and 20MB with all files loaded as playlist.
-Greybrow (December 11, 2009, 07:27 PM)

How many files?

I tried to drag&drop files to trout, and it failed for the first time. It shown me an icon with plus sign, when I hovered the gray menu zone, but after I dropped it there it didn't add them to the playlist. So I tried second time but dropped files to the playlist zone, and it started to add them.
-Greybrow (December 11, 2009, 07:27 PM)

Correct, you need to drop onto the playlist.

It is nice, that I could play music that was already loaded while the files were in the queue. But list kept jumping to the beginning while loading and that was bit annoying.
I wondered what would happen, if I exit program, while still loading files. So I closed and reopened trout. And there were only those files, that were already read before exiting.
-Greybrow (December 11, 2009, 07:27 PM)

This is normal behaviour.  When you drop files onto Trout, it has to read the files' tags to be able to populate the list.  So, if you close down Trout while it's scanning through the dropped files, it a) doesn't have a chance to read them all and b) doesn't have a chance to save the playlist when it's done scanning.

After I read all the files from disk to playlist, and then reopened program. It took about 3 seconds to open. So it seems slower than foobar with library.
It took lots of time opening them for the first time, probably the same as foobar importing files to the library for the first time.
-Greybrow (December 11, 2009, 07:27 PM)

Trout's opening speed will depend on how many files are in the list.  I rarely keep more than 30 or 40 items in my playlist.

I've been working on a database functionality within Trout that has file/tag searching and Shoutcast/Icecast browsing.  It's not nearly as slick as foobar's auto-updating database but it uses one HELLUVA lot less RAM.  For instance, with my database of 87,000 tracks loaded and searchable, Trout uses 32 megs of RAM (with an empty playlist).  The tag searching is of the find-as-you-type type and is pretty darn fast (if I may be so bold).  Here are some screenshots:

2009-10-30_123044.png2009-10-30_123057.png
2009-10-30_123105.png2009-10-30_123114.png

Note the search time in the status bar of the first screenshot.

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N.A.N.Y. 2009 / Re: NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)
« Last post by skwire on December 11, 2009, 03:04 PM »
v1.0.3 build 257 - 2009-12-11
    * Made a change to how the main listview sorts accented characters e.g.
      "Édith Piaf" should now sort with "E" and not to the bottom of the list.
      (Thanks, Leif Larsson)
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Post New Requests Here / Re: Close window with mouse
« Last post by skwire on December 11, 2009, 02:14 PM »
A great solution would be a click with both, left and right mouse buttons together.
I know there are mouse drivers to support that, but they need a lot of resident memory.
A small program may be the better way.
-plutokang (December 11, 2009, 01:11 PM)

Give RockerClose try:  Download (source/binary included)

Make sure the app you want closed is the focused app and then do a "right-click hold then left click" action.  That type of action is called a rocker action.  It's just a simple hotkey so you can easily incorporate it into your main AutoHotkey script if you run one.  Here's the code:

Code: AutoIt [Select]
  1. #NoTrayIcon
  2. #NoEnv
  3. #SingleInstance, Force
  4. SetWorkingDir, %A_ScriptDir%
  5. DetectHiddenWindows, On
  6.  
  7. ~RButton & LButton Up::
  8. {
  9.     WinClose, A
  10. }
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N.A.N.Y. 2009 / Re: NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)
« Last post by skwire on December 11, 2009, 09:35 AM »
I guess I should explain myself a bit further...

I have, currently, around 87,000 tracks in my music collection.  foobar, with the database enabled and that many tracks scanned in, uses several HUNDRED megs of RAM on my computer and generally slows everything down.  Furthermore, it's rather slow to start and be ready to play music with that large of a database.  So, I only load it up when I want to do some serious music listening.  I also use it to playback my emulated video game music files and convert my lossless files to other formats when necessary. 

I use Trout for all the other times I listen to music on my computer...working, surfing, coding, IRC, etc.  As I've said before, I wrote Trout partly as a challenge to myself to see how far I could take AutoHotkey as a language.  Trout is hardly the technical player that foobar is and I'm not even in the same ballpark as Peter Pawlowski (foobar's author) when it comes to coding.  That being said, I'm still humbled at the response it's received over this past year; I released it on January 1st as part of last year's NANY.

Does that help to explain things?
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N.A.N.Y. 2009 / Re: NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)
« Last post by skwire on December 11, 2009, 08:46 AM »
You don't use your own software? :)
Otherwise it looks ok for me. Keep up good work  :Thmbsup:
-Greybrow (December 11, 2009, 08:34 AM)

I use both.
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N.A.N.Y. 2009 / Re: NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)
« Last post by skwire on December 11, 2009, 05:41 AM »
Regarding gapless playback, I agree with you and that's one of the reasons why my main player is still foobar.  I think it's the best player out there.
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N.A.N.Y. 2010 / Re: NANY 2010 Teaser: Twigatelle
« Last post by skwire on December 10, 2009, 11:13 PM »
Nice.   :)
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N.A.N.Y. 2010 / Re: NANY 2010 Idea Thread Skwireification Embargo Policy
« Last post by skwire on December 10, 2009, 06:44 PM »
I'm allergic to screencasts...they give me hives.   :P
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Adventures of Baby Cody / United States of America visit 2
« Last post by skwire on December 10, 2009, 03:32 AM »
I'm sure Baby Cody would enjoy a visit with my wife and daughters here in Arkansas.
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Living Room / Re: A Chance to Brag/Explain - What is DonationCoder and What Are You Doing Here?
« Last post by skwire on December 10, 2009, 12:26 AM »
I'm trying to build my retirement through Coding Snacks.   :P
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Post New Requests Here / Re: request for a Access Point finder
« Last post by skwire on December 09, 2009, 10:48 AM »
Speaking of MIB Walking ... Ever try BP SNMP Utility? It's a small, fast, portable, free SNMP utility that will dump the MIB from any device so you can pick through for what you want/need. It (saved me a boatload of time) quickly became my favorite toy while doing research for Page Countster.
-Stoic Joker (December 09, 2009, 10:45 AM)

Yep, love that tool.  I'm also intimately familiar with the standard snmpwalk/snmpget command line utils and their *bulk brothers.
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Post New Requests Here / Re: request for a Access Point finder
« Last post by skwire on December 09, 2009, 10:09 AM »
Ah, yeah.   :D  Walking a MIB...  Good grief...nothing like an endless stream of numbers and all you think is "WTF is that value?!"
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N.A.N.Y. 2009 / Re: NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)
« Last post by skwire on December 09, 2009, 10:00 AM »
I have now disabled my Windows Theme and enabled the Windows Classic Theme and the play controls appear.
When I enable my theme again the play controls disappear.
-Larix (December 01, 2009, 01:20 PM)

This is a good clue, thanks.  From the screenshot, I assume you're using a custom Visual Style?  Do the glyphs show up if you use, say, one of the standard Luna themes?
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N.A.N.Y. 2009 / Re: NANY 2009 Release: Trout (audio player)
« Last post by skwire on December 09, 2009, 09:57 AM »
v1.0.3 build 254 - 2009-12-09
    + The "Add files" function now remembers the last selected file.  (Thanks, lanux128)

'Tis the season for giving, my friend.  Also, since this is a file selection dialog, it remembers the last selected file.  Is that acceptable?

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Post New Requests Here / Re: request for a Access Point finder
« Last post by skwire on December 09, 2009, 07:01 AM »
Not necessarily, Routers typically have a TTL that is higher than the surrounding workstations/printers/etc devices so they can be easily singled out.
-Stoic Joker (December 09, 2009, 06:40 AM)
Agreed.  I meant that the intial scan is for determining if a given IP in a subnet is alive/responding.  Once you determine that, SNMP, et cetera, comes into play.  I've written several SNMP-related tools for my workplace.  It's a great (and maddingly frustrating at times) protoocol.  =]

The main SNAFU with scanning for wireless devices (from a wired network) is that they tend to be bridged between wired/wireless media and therefore have no IP to query them with/at.
-Stoic Joker (December 09, 2009, 06:40 AM)

Again, agreed.  That's exactly the issue I was explaining to techidave. 

Your app worked fine on my network at work.  Very nice.  The only issue I had with it was a listview redraw bug if you dragged another window over the top of yours.
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Post New Requests Here / Re: request for a Access Point finder
« Last post by skwire on December 09, 2009, 05:57 AM »
I suppose I should have been a bit more detailed. 

A given network can have both wireless and wired hosts.  A scan from your wired NIC could find the access point's WIRED connection to the network but all that's going to seem to a scan is just another host on the network (router/computer/printer/NAS, etc.)  It's still not going to be able to see or know about the wireless network's metadata like you wanted to see.  Does that clear it up a bit?
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Post New Requests Here / Re: request for a Access Point finder
« Last post by skwire on December 09, 2009, 04:51 AM »
AFAIK, it's not possible to see wireless networks with a wired NIC.  Or, did I misunderstand you?
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Post New Requests Here / Re: request for a Access Point finder
« Last post by skwire on December 09, 2009, 04:34 AM »
@techidave:  Have you, by chance, checked out NetStumbler? 

http://www.stumbler.net/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetStumbler
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General Software Discussion / Re: Video player: What's the quickest (fastest/lightest)?
« Last post by skwire on December 07, 2009, 07:42 PM »
It doesn't come with codecs internally.  The codecs need to be configured on your system for it to play video.  it's not the player's fault.
-superboyac (December 07, 2009, 07:25 PM)

Yes, I know.  I have the CCCP codec pack installed; LightAlloy should be able to use those codecs.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Video player: What's the quickest (fastest/lightest)?
« Last post by skwire on December 07, 2009, 07:15 PM »
Hmmmm...I just tried that LightAlloy build you attached.  I couldn't get it to play video for any type of file I tried (avi, mpg, mkv, or vob).  It would play the audio but not the video.  Furthermore, it didn't seem any faster than the MPC(HC)/CCCP combo I've used for years.  In fact, MPC seemed faster to me.  *shrug*  I don't mean this post as a flame...I'm just posting my thoughts.
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