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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person bothered by the differences in Free?
« Last post by 40hz on October 08, 2013, 04:32 PM »
Tipo Type does a "pay what you want or a Tweet" thing that I also think is very smart. See here. Grab a copy of Rufina while you're at it. It's a lovely font!

Lookee here!
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Consider...just because you're willing to give something away doesn't also mean nobody is willing to pay for it. Many people (myself included) are happier paying at least something for a product they know they're going to use.

Why just leave money on the table (or miss out on some FB or Twitter buzz) when you don't have to?
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person bothered by the differences in Free?
« Last post by 40hz on October 08, 2013, 03:16 PM »
Nobody is so picky as someone getting something for nothing sometimes.

Like the old Yankee saying goes: Tis better to give than lend. And it usually costs the same.
 ;)
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person bothered by the differences in Free?
« Last post by 40hz on October 08, 2013, 03:10 PM »
This is why I think most developers should create a standard closed license, require registration for a NO-CHARGE (as in "not free") copy of the software, and avoid the word "free" like the plague.

It's important to manage expectations and set the baseline understanding right up front. Even if you technically are giving the copy away, don't ever characterize your product as "free software."

Many font designers handle this in a very clever way. If you go to their sites for a freebie, you often discover you need to register first to download. All their no-charge fonts go in their shopping cart just like everything else they offer does. An invoice gets generated with a total of $0 which gets emailed to the 'buyer' along with the download link plus a copy of the license. Brilliant!

After that, you have no doubt in your mind about who was doing who the favor. Plus it gives them the flexibility to initiate a charge at any time - as well as offer "discount codes" for the people they still want to give no-charge copies to.

With FOSS products you often have hundreds of very qualified developers working on the project in anything from an ad hoc to highly structured and formalized manner. Many hands make for light work. And many eyes for quick debugging. (Or at least so the sacred words of St. Foss tells us. I have my own personal doubts about that assertion sometimes.  :nono2:)

The private indy developer or small code shop, however, doesn't have the luxury of that resource. And simply GPL-ing your product isn't going to automatically get it for you.

The thing to remember is that the original FOSS philosophy is all about community first and projects second. So if you're doing your own project, and want to have total control over its form and progress, setting things up as a FOSS project is misguided.

If you're the type that likes to sit down and "group code" and have a "the more the merrier" attitude when it comes to participation, doing a FOSS project might make more sense.

Whenever dealing with the general public - manage expectations and know what you're getting into.
 8)
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Living Room / Re: Adobe admits 2.9 million customer accounts compromised
« Last post by 40hz on October 08, 2013, 02:37 PM »
This is the world of marketing and politics where "Perception is everything". It is BS.

This. :Thmbsup:

Well said IainB. 8)
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In light of that, I'll recuse myself from this discussion going forward.

Well that's a downer since you're the one that started it. :(  Conversation ended more surely than the invocation of Godwin's Law.

It shouldn't have to.

I tend to look at the larger societal picture every time I look at technology. Because in my mind, discussing a technology divorced from the user (and the society he/she lives in) is meaningless.

Just because I think about and see it that way doesn't mean everyone else has to. :P

And mouser has said he prefers political aspects be kept to a minimum unless you want take your discussion out on the back porch, away from the family dinner table.

I can respect that. :)
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please keep politics out of this thread.

Whether by accident or (more likely) design, politics now permeates every facet of our lives. Even if we'd rather it didn't. I therefor think references to our political environment (since it factors so hugely into education, child rearing, privacy concerns, our legal environment, societal structure, and the pubic sense of morality, etc.) is unavoidable in a discussion like this one.

In light of that, I'll recuse myself from this discussion going forward.

Carry on! :Thmbsup:
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person bothered by the differences in Free?
« Last post by 40hz on October 08, 2013, 11:34 AM »
@Wraith

FWIW "free" is whatever you choose it to mean. Everybody abuses the term these days and most people don't really believe it anymore.

As far as source code goes, if you didn't place it under GPL or similar "open source" licensing, you have absolutely ZERO obligation to share it. And the people that actually bothered to read up on and understand F/OSS licensing know that quite well. Most of us in that camp prefer something go out under GPL et al. But there is only a small minority (mostly noobs who never wrote a single line of code) that get shrill about it. Ok...just them and Richard Stallman... ::)

Ignore them. Just do your thing your way.

Like we say in the FOSS word - If you don't like what you're given, either: write your own, fork it, or fsck off.
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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person bothered by the differences in Free?
« Last post by 40hz on October 08, 2013, 11:19 AM »
 Stallman almost singlehandedly popularized the term "free" software.

Unfortunately, he made a bad choice when it came to picking the handle he wanted to apply to his idea. And then (in true geek fashion) refused to change it (and became increasingly insistent) when it became obvious that most people didn't think of "free software" in the meta-sense Stallman does. And nobody is as pigheaded as a geek when they're caught out being just a little too geek. (He's still pissed with the Linux community because nobody wanted to go along with his pun to officially call it LinGnux.)

I think a lot of RMS's hangups come from the era Stallman grew up in where "no quarter" was the norm in political debate when confronting "The Man."

Stallman is what he is. I try to forgive him his failings and underdeveloped social skills. He gave us a lot. And most of his warnings and concerns turned out to be spot on in the end. Check up on the news stories posted onnTechdirt and related sites if you need convincing.
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I think that with the direction US society and politics has taken post-911, it clearly shows the notion that "power corrupts" can hardly be characterized as a truism anymore.

At least not with a straight face   8)
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Logging on the other hand is completely different. I just log stuff and forget about it. Then, if there's a problem, I go back and check to find out a bit about the problem and hopefully get some idea about how to solve it.

Does that make any sense? I don't feel like typing anymore.

Umm...

I think it makes complete sense to the people behind PRISM over at the NSA. That's pretty much been their argument all along.

They keep insisting they're not spying on Americans. They're just collecting metadata - and they only really look at what they collect if they think there's a problem.

Spying...monitoring...collecting...logging...

It's all word games that try to make exceptionally fine grained (and often wholly imaginary) distinctions based on the intent behind the act. But the mechanisms behind the act itself are the same no matter what the original intent. Which is why I consider what this product does to be categorically wrong.

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The mere existence of a technology argues for its use. And justifications (limited only by our imagination to concoct 'what-if' scenarios) soon follow.

So while it's true that technology can be used for good or ill, some technologies have a greater potential to commit harm. And more to the point, some technologies provide capabilities that almost beg to be abused.

Surveillance technologies beg to be abused. And if the Snowden revelations have shown anything about this technology, they've shown us that the temptation to 'abuse and extend' is apparently too great to resist. Especially when it comes to the people most entrusted not to abuse these capabilities.

Surveillance technology is a drug. And addiction, in the guise of "mission creep" (that clever euphemism for abuse and violation of trust) inevitably follows. My company made a conscious decision not to get involved in any of this technology several years ago. But we have worked in places where it was heavily employed so we have direct experience in seeing where it all too often leads.

We may have lost some business because of that decision.

But we also saved our company's soul.

Worth it IMHO. :)

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 8)


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General Software Discussion / Re: Network Magic alternative
« Last post by 40hz on October 07, 2013, 08:24 PM »
I did some additional checking and I've been told the official replacement product for Network Magic is something called SMART-Wifi. Info here.

Apparently Cisco has taken an appstore approach (like everyone else lately) with this - and it only works with certain Linksys/Cisco "smart" routers so I don't know if this is helpful to you.

Probably worth a look at least.

Luck! :Thmbsup:
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But it seems that with counter-examples it's rather strange that there is *no* give... sort of like the people on the other side of other arguments.

Oh...well...that's probably because I think the entire premise behind this product is fundamentally wrong on so many levels that I can't see a ray of light anywhere in it.

But I'm a child of the counter-culture era (even if I never really was a part of it) so I guess an occasional lapse into intransigence is to be expected from my kind. ;D

dobbslack2.gif 8) ;)

Let those who can understand this, understand this.
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General Software Discussion / Re: Network Magic alternative
« Last post by 40hz on October 07, 2013, 05:08 PM »
I think you may be out of luck. AFAIK Network Magic was unique. So unless you wanted to get into the so-called 'pro' network software market, Cisco's orphan was it. Untangle Gateway used to have a PC-hosted version that did much of what NM did. But they discontinued that awhile back. Untangle is strictly a 'dedicated box' installation these days.  
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^I think you're taking what I said personally.

I have no problem with you or any of the others here. But thats a small percentage of the how many million parents out there?

But even with that, I think bugging a kid's or personal acquaintance's phone is a big mistake and sends the entirely wrong message.
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Not if done correctly.

That's a pretty big qualifier IMHO! ;D

Sorry. I'm not that sanguine an individual. ;)
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You can teach a child to accept anything as "normal" if you get to them early enough, pound it into their heads long enough, and make it clear to them that they are constantly being watched and can expect punishment if the slightest show of reluctance or disobedience is detected.

The travesty of "child soldiers" is proof enough of that, as are those state sponsored "youth movements" that crop under most repressive regimes shortly after they attain power.

Electronic monitoring is a tool. As is the taking away of "any expectation of personal privacy." While it may make some people feel "safer" or "more responsible" in their duty to society and family, it is also instilling a potentially hazardous meme in the mind of someone who is too young to question it before it becomes a part of their accepted "reality.".

Slippery slope indeed. :huh:
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My original question wasn't whether or not it was appropriate or necessary to *watch* and set restrictions on a child we're personally responsible for. I don't think there's anyone here who would argue against that even if there are disagreements over the form and extent such supervision entails.

My question revolves more around a ubiquitous and total (via software) NSA-like scoop and recording of all actions taken during a particular activity such as email or web browsing. Because that is exactly what this software does.  

That's the difference (in my mind) between parenting and *electronic monitoring* - which is something I find completely misguided at best, and utterly reprehensible in practice.

While it may "take a village" to raise a child (and I have my doubts about that theory folk mantra as well) it certainly doesn't require software and an electronic device to do it.

You can't attempt to automate social responsibility or parenting without losing some of our humanity in the process.  


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^Actually, no... I'm not.

Just sayin'   ;)

I didn't say something like this shouldn't be allowed to be created - not that you could prevent it anyway. My issue is with the mindset of the people who would employ something like this.

And FWIW, something like this is likely to he illegal in some jurisdictions. There have been cases where courts have determined technology like this goes beyond the remit of being a parent. So I'm not the only person who is concerned about leaving the use of something like this solely to the "discretion" of a parent.

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And just because there is one way to do such things (the trace the phone bit) does that mean that's the only way you'd want to do it?  Is no one else allowed to provide solutions that might be useful?

Not in my perfect world they ain't! :mad:

But since I'm not in charge here - and my perfect world is a very small and wholly imaginary place - that shouldn't bother anybody.
 ;D
2745
^Granting the horror story (albeit real) scenarios you're offering, why not simply avail yourself of virtually every smartphone's "find device" feature? And also let the ubiquitious "Timmy" simply call home of there's a problem? Why do we need a keystroke recorder, a websites visited logger, and all the other things that come with this product if our only real intent is to know where a child is and provide them with a mechanism to phone home or call for help?

Of course, you could just watch your kid and not farm it out to a device. But I suppose that wouldn't work with the lifestyle many parents choose to pursue for themselves (and impose on their children) these days.

FWIW, last I heard, FBI statistics indicate that the overwhelming bulk of the abductions, along with the murder, physical abuse and sexual assault against minors, are carried out by immediate family members, relatives, and "trusted non-family members (i.e. close friends/lovers of the parent(s), their doctors, school employees, and members of the clergy) rather than that legion of roving nameless predators "we all know" are out there everywhere you turn.

So if you grant the FBI isn't making things up here, perhaps what most needs to be monitored (for Timmy's protection mind you) isn't Timmy himself, but rather his parents, grandparents, aunts & uncles, cousins, siblings, and the family's close personal friends and (unfortunately) their doctors, educators and clergy?

Yes there are the Ambers who are snatched off the street. And that's certainly something to be upset about. But the single biggest potential threat to a child's safety and physical well-being seems to be his own family circle rather than strangers. Talk to any child protective agency in any state you'd care to pick if you don't believe it. And that's very important to keep in mind. Because if the goal is to protect children, we're looking for threats in the least likely places while ignoring the documented danger right under our own noses. Apparently because the actual reality is far too disturbing for most people to contemplate.

Depressing thought isn't it? :'(



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Living Room / Re: Silk Road Seized - Dread Pirate Roberts Arrested
« Last post by 40hz on October 05, 2013, 11:36 AM »
^Smart attorney. If 1/10th of the allegations are provable in court, he's got a lot of downside facing him.

Best remain silent even though some recent cases show that our supposed guaranteed "right to remain silent" is being challenged and finessed by clueless judges and devious prosecutors deep in the Heart of Darkest Amerika (i.e. Texas.) Are we at all surprised?.
More here and here.
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Monitoring your kids location is entirely appropriate for 8-year olds, and very far from "corrosive".

The responsibility for knowing where your 8-year old is one thing. But I completely reject the notion that some smartphone equivalent of a home-arrest ankle monitor is either appropriate or necessary to accomplish that.

Additionally, how can you ever be sure you, as the parent, are the only person with access to the information that software provides? It's closed source - so you only have the developer's word who has access. And developers have happily lied about such things before. Look at what we've since learned about how far you can trust a privacy policy from Google, Microsoft, and most of the other biggies in the wake of the Snowden revelations.

This is a dangerous product in that it teaches people, at a very young age, that it is somehow perfectly acceptable for you (or others) to electronically monitor another human being purely for your own peace of mind.

Sorry...it doesn't get more corrosive than that.

But that's ok. I'm sure Uncle Sam is all for it. So that should be assurance enough (for those who are still concerned) that it's completely "ok" to hang an electronic snoop on your kids. That will go a long way towards soothing any anxiety they may have when the government starts doing it to them as adults about twenty years from now.

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I think that if there is a meta-theme where the parents have to have Always On monitoring, that resentment will simmer "nice and fine" until it blows up like a volcano. Then in the resulting emotional explosion is when it gets really dangerous because the kid will be in Rebellion Mode!

^This.

Easily half the acts of the youthful rebellion I've seen are a direct result of needless provocation by parents or school authorities.  Can you say: "Setup!"?
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I wish you guys would distinguish in your arguments between the case for monitoring a child's cellphone/gps with vs without their knowledge.  To me this is the critical factor distinguishing appropriate from inappropriate.

I politely disagree. To monitor is to send a message you don't trust the person being monitored. And that is corrosive to a relationship regardless of whether the distrust is open or covert. And doing whats "legal" (i.e. what you can get away with) is not the necessarily the same thing as doing what's right.

Much like the NSA's repeated insistence that everything it does is "within the law" it's still all word games.

The fundamental distinction is whether or not you believe someone can be trusted. Once that decision has been made it just becomes a matter of choice of which preemptive actions will be taken plus some spin control afterwards.

I'm still old fashioned enough to not accept somebody needs to "prove" their innocence or integrity in advance. I judge a person for what they've done or not done. Not for something they might someday do. And I flat out reject any attempt at prejudgements based on a hunch or act of imagination fueled by paranoia and one's personal hangups or grudges.

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Living Room / Re: Sci-fi novel now available from DC member kyrathaba!
« Last post by 40hz on October 04, 2013, 08:11 PM »
Personal problems

Wow! Sounds like you have a pretty full plate right now. Hang in there.
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