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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 22, 2010, 05:32 PM »

the media (video) player that i'm using doesn't delete the correct files. regardless of which file you try to delete within a list, the last entry in the list is deleted.
-nudone (June 22, 2010, 10:51 AM)

Thanks or the follow up!

Huh?!

I've not tried deleting stuff using the player.
The remote doesn't have a specific delete function. The on-player controls are minimal, and the on-screen menus don't help me a lot as the machine is hooked to an audio system with no screen attached

I assemble stuff on my computer, rename it in the order that I want, and dump the lot to a stick - typically 80 hours or so of speech-only audio.
Once that stick has been 'used', I wipe the whole programme using my computer and construct another.

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Living Room / Re: Why does the computer have to pause when you stick in a blank dvd/cd?

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 22, 2010, 05:13 PM »

Why does the computer have to pause when you stick in a blank dvd/cd?

Because the cd is upside down and the machine is taken aback by the disc-overy?

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Living Room / Re: Why does the computer have to pause when you stick in a blank dvd/cd?

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 22, 2010, 05:06 PM »

The Amiga was pure distilled awesomeness condensed into a beige-brown box. There are things the Amiga could do that modern computers *still* can't (won't?) do.
-Innuendo (June 21, 2010, 09:07 PM)

Amen to that!

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General Software Discussion / Re: This Mac devotee is moving to Linux

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 21, 2010, 03:52 PM »

I am using a Canon Pixma MX850
-Carol Haynes (June 21, 2010, 03:28 PM)

Not the point of this thread I know, but I've found this printer to be so good that I just had to add

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General Software Discussion / Re: Should we merge the complaints and compliments section into other section?

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 20, 2010, 03:38 PM »

I think it's better to have fewer sections, resulting in less divided attention
having a specific section for complaints seems to elevate the complaint to a higher level, one that i'm not sure is appropriate.
-mouser (June 20, 2010, 01:36 PM)

I strongly agree.
I believe that if somebody feels strongly enough on an issue that person will find a way to let the rest of us know.
To my mind, a separate section implies that DC is trying to assume some kind of supervisory role — I can't believe that it is.
My own feeling is that a specific section almost invites complaints.

Without this section, I think that likes and dislikes are more likely to end up in relevant topics where context will give them greater meaning.
There are plenty of other ways and other places to express and to seek complaints and plaudits.

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Living Room / Re: XP Hangs on Shut Down

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 16, 2010, 04:29 PM »

Well done, keep at it

Tedious stuff, isn't it?

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 15, 2010, 04:39 PM »

Just try it, or at least just use it to read the contents of your USB stick
-wr975 (June 15, 2010, 02:47 AM)

Yes, I intend to, thanks for the reply

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 14, 2010, 12:37 PM »

Reason: Your player is not sorting the FAT filename index.

Fix: There're several programs sorting the FAT index. The one I'm using is DriveSort. It writes directly in the file-system, replacing this index, so it's very fast.
-wr975 (June 14, 2010, 05:16 AM)

Thanks for the input but can you tell me how not sorting the FAT index results in the odd sequencing referred to in my post immediately before this one?

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 14, 2010, 12:35 PM »

it appears that using a counter at the beginning of the name does allow for long files names (longer than 8 characters) to be used.

i suspect that the logic of these devices is that they look for a counter within the first 8 characters of a name - as the counter beyond the 8 character limit doesn't list correctly. it just seems odd that they do this whilst also being able to display long file names.
-nudone (June 14, 2010, 05:03 AM)

Thanks for trying that!

That's what happened in my case, on previous and subsequent occasions.

Of course, that still leaves me wondering about my original case where:
"22 xxxxx.mp3" to "67 xxxxx.mp3" played in sequence as tracks 1 to 46
followed by
"01 xxxxx.mp3" to "21 xxxxx.mp3" in sequence as tracks 47 to 67

I live most of my life in a state of confusion, so there's really no reason why this should be different.

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Found Deals and Discounts / Re: TeraCopy Pro for $9.00 (only for another 9 hours or so though)

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 13, 2010, 01:39 PM »

yeah, it's a lie - you always have to pay somehow
-tomos (June 12, 2010, 05:02 PM)

And you never own beer. You only rent it.
-Innuendo (June 12, 2010, 10:25 PM)

So, it can be used for a hire purpose

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Living Room / Re: Need to Convert .wav to .aac

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 13, 2010, 01:36 PM »

super can do almost anything.. but it's so confusing to use i would leave it as a lost resort
-mouser (June 12, 2010, 10:20 PM)

surely you meant as a last resort!
-lanux128 (June 13, 2010, 02:15 AM)

Or at a lost resort… Club Atlantis, for example.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 11, 2010, 06:47 PM »

Please let me know what happens if you do give that a try.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 11, 2010, 01:59 PM »

It's possible that the playback order is the order they were copied onto the thumb drive.
-skwire

I hear you, and thanks, but the original transfer was from an interim folder on my HD.
All of the files were first copied to there.
Then renamed -- each name beginning with a two-digit number 01...67.
Then copied to the stick with TeraCopy, in the correct order.
I am going to be using your software though, and thanks!

i doubt it helps but, on the video player i was having trouble with, it appears to have been the 8.3 file name issue
-Nudone

Yes, good thought.
The 'user manual' for the player stipulated 8.3 names, hence my renaming as "01 xxxxx.mp3" through "67 xxxxx.mp3".
That didn't help though.

FWIW, I just:

dumped a bunch of random .mp3's into a folder on my HD
renamed them only by adding a two-digit prefix to each
(i.e. some had very long names and others shorter but none as short as 8.3)
totally ignored what was in the ID tags — all kinds of stuff, some out-of-sequence track numbers, some nulls, no attempt at logic
copied the lot onto a USB stick

That played perfectly, and in the expected order, long file names notwithstanding.

I'm beginning to think that the hiccup reported earlier was just a random event. A stray bit of data that befuddled player logic somehow.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 11, 2010, 08:40 AM »

Here's where I'm at.

I set the .mp3 track values to match the file-name values but I did this on the stick itself.
That didn't change anything.

I pulled all of the files off the stick and into a folder on my hard drive.
Deleted the stick.
Wrote all of the files back to the stick.

That worked:
name "01 xxxxx.mp3" is track 1
name "67 xxxxx.mp3" is track 67.

To me, that argues for file date as I touched every file to change its track number.

Previously, when I've done this, I:

ignored .mp3 tag track numbers
ignored file dates
built what I wanted in a folder on my HD
renamed the files, using names preceded by numbers in ascending numerical order
wrote the lot onto the stick.

That gave a perfect match between file names and tracks on the stick.
As far as I can see, that's exactly what I did this time (on the first try). The only real difference being that this time there were more files (originally, I'd used about 20 files as a test, not 67.)

Thanks for everyone's input.
I'll play around some more.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 11, 2010, 08:16 AM »

hmm, sorry, can't offer a solution - but i'm experiencing an almost identical problem with a "video" player.

this also reads from usb devices and appears to have it's own method of organising the files. i wondered if it was by date or file size. (i may have concluded it was file size, can't remember now.)
-nudone (June 11, 2010, 06:33 AM)

It can't be file size in my case as mine played everything in name sequence (with wildly differing file sizes) with the hiccup that the 'track' sequence was 46 places different from the file name sequence.

I tried both with .mp3 tags nulled and with .mp3 tags set to the same sequence as the file names. Same issue.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 10, 2010, 08:58 PM »

Alter the file dates into an ascending order of your desired play order and it should work.
-Innuendo (June 10, 2010, 08:43 PM)

Thanks for the idea, much appreciated. I had been wondering about that.

The fly in the ointment is that all of the files had different dates, not in order.
They were first assembled into one folder and then renamed.
They then went, in order of file name, onto the blank USB stick.
They played in order, by file name, except for the offset (46) mentioned above.

Were it a date order thing, I'd have expected a much more random result, not one after another in exact name order with each one in sequence displaced by exactly 46.

I'll play around with this some more.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 10, 2010, 08:47 PM »

Chris, my FileBucket app might be able to help you get them on your USB stick in the order you want:
-skwire (June 10, 2010, 06:30 PM)

Thanks skwire, I've downloaded a copy.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 10, 2010, 06:28 PM »

are you sure the MP3 files (number-wise) are untagged?
-Curt (June 10, 2010, 06:24 PM)

I thought I was, Curt. Something else to check

EDIT: It wasn't the tags, Curt. I went back and double checked on that.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 10, 2010, 06:27 PM »

I suspect it will play the audio files in whatever sequence they exist in the file system igoring the names altogether.
-MilesAhead

Thanks for the thought.
I'm going to have experiment a little as you suggest.
I'd better look at the file dates, too.

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Official Announcements / Re: June 2010 Discount and Giveaway: XYplorer

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 10, 2010, 03:46 PM »

That's an excellent product!
Thanks to those involved in arranging this.

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General Software Discussion / Help me to understand .mp3 naming issue on a DVD player reading from a USB stick

« Last post by cranioscopical on June 10, 2010, 03:30 PM »

Here's my issue.

The background:
I want to play a reasonably large number of .mp3 files in one location.
The audio system in this location had no .mp3 capability.
The way I chose to remedy this was to buy an inexpensive Samsung DVD player and add this to the sound system. I chose this player largely because:

it has a remote control
it can read from a USB stick.

To try this out I dumped a few .mp3's onto a stick and all was well. Things played from the USB stick, and in the sequence that I expected.

Next I put 67 .mp3's onto a blank stick, using 8.3 file names in the format of:
01 xxxxx.mp3
02 xxxxx.mp3
..
67 xxxxx.mp3
where xxxxx represents 5 letters which could be anything.

I chose to lead the names with numbers as I wanted the items to play in the specific order of 01 to 67.
(There's nothing magic about the 67, that just happened to be the number of files on hand.)

On my computer, the directory of the disk reads exactly as I'd expect, viz. it starts with "01 xxxxx.mp3" and runs to "67 xxxxx.mp3". The items play in that order.

I put this stick into the DVD player and get items 1 to 67 on the DVD display panel (since it is connected only to an audio system, there is no display of titles, just item numbers).

The problem
When I play this stick:
item "1" on the DVD is actually file "47 xxxxx.mp3"
item "2" on the DVD is actually file "48 xxxxx.mp3"
..
item "21" on the DVD is actually file "67 xxxxx.mp3"
item "22" on the DVD is actually file "01 xxxxx.mp3"
..
item "67" on the DVD is actually file "46 xxxxx.mp3"

In other words, the file names are shifted 46 places from what I'd expect.

Can anybody tell me why, and if so, how to avoid this?

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