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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 07, 2013, 09:50 AM »

My question revolves more around a ubiquitous and total (via software) NSA-like scoop and recording of all actions taken during a particular activity such as email or web browsing. Because that is exactly what this software does. 

-40hz (October 07, 2013, 09:25 AM)

Some kids probably need it.

I know one kid where the first time I met him I knew what he was all about... drugs, hanging out with friends, getting into the criminal side of all that... you can imagine.

His parents knew jack about it.

The kid's family had a rough go as dad got cancer and went downhill. He died. It sapped the family financially. Mom worked her butt off to try and save the house so that they'd have a place to live... i.e. Mom & dad weren't around much for him for understandable reasons.

Would some kind of monitoring have helped? Maybe. Could be the problem was there well beforehand.

Doesn't matter much though as there apparently wasn't any early prevention there, and he ended up being monitored by the state in juvie, etc. etc.

But for a full feature set of monitoring capabilities, well, using them all is probably a bad idea.

That's the difference (in my mind) between parenting and *electronic monitoring* - which is something I find completely misguided at best, and utterly reprehensible in practice.

-40hz (October 07, 2013, 09:25 AM)

So it's the degree? The "complete control" thing is what bothers you?

For the most part, I think that's right. (With the caveat that some kids actually NEED extreme discipline - I'm sure everyone knows the self-destructive types.)

While it may "take a village" to raise a child (and I have my doubts about that theory folk mantra as well) it certainly doesn't require software and an electronic device to do it.

-40hz (October 07, 2013, 09:25 AM)

I hate that saying.

You can't attempt to automate social responsibility or parenting without losing some of our humanity in the process. 

-40hz (October 07, 2013, 09:25 AM)

Some people will certainly try!

There are so, so many ways for us to surrender our humanity... And so, so many people willing to throw theirs away...

Keep us 'safe'! Yeah, right.

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 07, 2013, 09:14 AM »

In my very state, Montclair State University was the first college in the country to require students to purchase a cell phone from the school (it's included in the cost of tuition), even if they already have a cell phone. The purpose of this "school phone" is so campus police can track students via GPS.

-app103 (October 07, 2013, 08:17 AM)

Because even if you're a 6' 2" 220 lb muscle-bound, kung-fu fighting 18-year old, it would be unfair if you didn't have to buy one while everyone else did...

God... Requiring? Including in the cost of tuition? Cripes... WTF is wrong with NOT forcing people to buy crap they don't want?

It's supposed to be for their own safety....protecting "kids", blah, blah, blah.

-app103 (October 07, 2013, 08:17 AM)

Sigh...

But as we all know, most college "kids" aren't technically kids any more. They are adults, over the age of 18. When the program started, turning on the GPS was at the student's option, and if they didn't turn it off after 20 minutes, campus police would be dispatched to their location. It's a "safety thing".

http://usatoday30.us...lair-state-gps_N.htm

-app103 (October 07, 2013, 08:17 AM)

I don't mind if other people want to do that. Great. Wonderful. Awesome. Good for them.

But forcing everyone?

Like you said - they're adults. They can make their own decisions, even if those decisions don't turn out all rainbow farting unicorns and leprechaun's playing AC/DC while they slide down the unicorn farts into their pots of gold...

They say that a frog in a pot of water doesn't notice it's being cooked to death if you heat the water slowly.

So, the first step is making the phones mandatory to own. Next would be mandatory to carry, then mandatory to have turned on.

-app103 (October 07, 2013, 08:17 AM)

The problem here is MANDATORY. And that they are adults capable of making their own decisions.

And I guess it's no big deal to someone that has been tracked by their parents since birth to continue to be tracked by police, as adults, when they go off to college.

-app103 (October 07, 2013, 08:17 AM)

Why do you think I hate public education so much? It's nothing more than one big behaviour modification exercise. But, that aside... I did say I wouldn't rant about it...

There are a lot of people that aren't the best parents out there.

There are a lot of people that don't raise their children responsibly.

There are a lot of people that inflict serious injuries on their kids, either physically, mentally, or spiritually.

But taking a tool that can be used properly by loving, caring, and judicious parents isn't going to do any good.

It's not the tool - it's who uses it.

I wonder if any of these software vendors would put in a notice about the dangers of surveillance... Prolly not.

For individual parents, the amount of harm they can do with these kinds of tools is pretty much limited to their own household. This is a price that is paid for not having a totalitarian surveillance state.

For a state to have these kinds of tools though... That's another thread.

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 07, 2013, 08:15 AM »

Kids who skip school are tracked by GPS
"...Seventh- and eighth-graders with four unexcused absences or more this school year are assigned to carry a handheld GPS device, about the size of a cell phone."

-TaoPhoenix (October 07, 2013, 07:42 AM)

Dammit! I fell in the river again. Got a new GPS?

Ooops... Spilt gasoline all over myself. Totally soaked my pocket with my GPS in it. Tried to save it, but my cigarette fell on it when I took it out. What? You're angry? You should be happy that I wasn't hurt! Think of the children!

The state has ZERO businesses monitoring children.

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 07, 2013, 06:00 AM »

Okay Renny you're a little fiery, but "moron" is a little harsh.

The US is trying to "batch laws" like:
1. "All kids must be monitored 'For their safety' "
2. "If you don't turn over your kid's location data, you are a criminal".

So when it's not a choice, you're not a "moron". And yes I have seen "Combo Laws" like that all the time in these areas.

-TaoPhoenix (October 07, 2013, 05:32 AM)

Moron is harsh? Pfft! Not far enough! It's not YOU turning it over... it's a bunch of moron criminals STEALING the information.

I'm not blaming the victim there.

But yeah, that's pretty disgusting. I'd not heard of any of that legislation before. "All kids must be monitored"? Wow. That's crazy enough. Add in #2 there and holy cripes...

Got a link for any of that? I see truckloads of this out-of-control-police-state stuff all the time, but I'd not heard of that particular bit of insanity.

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Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content]

« Last post by Renegade on October 07, 2013, 05:36 AM »

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 07, 2013, 04:28 AM »

I'll add a new angle:
From the "data logging" point of view, that data will travel around and esp in the "great age switchover" at 18 and 21, that data could be ordered by the cops for all kinds of other uses!

-TaoPhoenix (October 07, 2013, 03:19 AM)

You're crossing over into the adult area. That's an entirely different topic from kids. Spying on adult children is, well, reprehensible at best.

Just an easy couple:
- Automated tickets for parents speeding "without an emergency". X % of Dads have "Leadfeet"!

-TaoPhoenix (October 07, 2013, 03:19 AM)

Which is why any data collected shouldn't be shared outside the family. What kind of moron would log data and give it to the police?

- contacts - because the guy your kid knew at say 16 might begin to slide and get in trouble at 19 and then the phone data could be used as criminal evidence since they seem to magically be finding exceptions to search and seizure rules!

-TaoPhoenix (October 07, 2013, 03:19 AM)

All the more reason to scale back any monitoring as kids get older.

I've started with perfectly innocent links, and within a half dozen clicks I've inadvertently ended up at some seriously sick, disturbed, demented perversions. (No - I don't mean pron.) There are gateways out there that young kids really shouldn't be getting into. Being able to control or limit that for kids is just being responsible. However... that can't go on forever. The reigns must be slowly loosened until you finally let go. Nobody has any business putting reigns on another adult.

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 06, 2013, 11:10 AM »

It might be worth noting that not all kids are made from cookie-cutters, and they're not all the same. Some kids probably need more attention/monitoring than others.

(Cynical rant about state-sponsored schools being cookie-cutters omitted.)

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 05, 2013, 11:40 PM »

I've got a good example of a situation where monitoring software simply isn't likely to help.

At the moment I'm working on a large project for an MMO game. The target audience includes younger kids, probably down to around 12 or so.

It's a fantasy type game with monsters, zombies, etc. etc.

However, a lot of the stuff in there is seriously dark. And I don't mean dark like Diablo or Warcrack. This is very different. Much, much darker. Stuff that kids really shouldn't be exposed to. Stuff that makes GTA seem almost tame. Think more along the lines of Rob Zombie ^ 2.

The game initially looks like any other typical fantasy MMO. But what's inside... wow. Just wow.

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 05, 2013, 10:22 PM »

Perhaps because you're not always with them?

-wraith808 (October 05, 2013, 10:11 PM)

+1

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 05, 2013, 10:21 PM »

Is it a bad idea to monitor small children that are prone to getting lost?

-Renegade (October 05, 2013, 08:55 PM)

No, it's not a bad idea to monitor small children, in fact it's a really good one. But what's wrong with monitoring small children the old fashioned way? You know...actually watching them? Small children rarely get lost when they are properly supervised.

-app103 (October 05, 2013, 09:48 PM)

Because every once in a while, your attention may stray for more than 3 seconds, which is twice as long as it takes a kid to do something unexpected.

Paying attention to your kids isn't something that an app can replace, but an app can help.

I'm not trying to advocate people schluff off their parental responsibilities on an app.

For example, if the kids go to play outside, that's perfectly normal. Kids go to play outside so mom or dad can cook dinner or clean the house or whatever. And maybe the kids might even pay attention to you when you say "do go over there". But who knows? A stray cat may be around, and it might "go over there", and simply provide too much temptation for the kids to resist. That's not a matter of bad parenting - it's a matter of "shit happens" that you can't reasonably predict.

With a "virtual fence" built into an app where you could define geographical limits, you could get a warning that little Johnny has just hopped the fence and is heading towards the river where he saw the cat head off to. He's been told not to go near the river without you, but... would you rather be able to get a warning or not?

Or perhaps the pond nearby is frozen over, and you know that it only being -2 outside, it's just not safe to go out on. A virtual fence placed around the pond might be useful, because no matter how often you tell kids anything, something will happen, and you cannot supervise kids 100% of the time. You have to place a certain degree of trust in kids, and sometimes, that trust will be broken.

Who here has fallen through the ice before? On small ponds the ice can be a several inches thick at the edges, and get thinner out towards the middle. A thick bit of edge ice can be a great confidence builder, spurring you on to go further out onto the ice. Stamp your foot? Sure solid enough here. Go on a bit further out. But what did mom say about the pond? Nah... what does mom know? You can clearly see just how strong the ice is... A bit further... Which is all fine if the pond is only a couple feet deep... usually. But with larger ponds, lakes or rivers, you don't get the chance to make that mistake a second time.

Or do you chain your kids to a post in the basement because they'll be safe there?

It's all fine and dandy to talk about "good parenting" and "proper supervision" and have lofty ideals, but the reality is that no matter how hard you try, you'll never be able to live up to that 100% of the time. An app can help possibly catch a problematic situation when (not if) your attention lapses.

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Developer's Corner / Somebody actually wrote something in GO!

« Last post by Renegade on October 05, 2013, 09:41 PM »

No. Really. Someone wrote some software in GO.

https://blog.conform...moms-bitcoin-daemon/

We are pleased to announce that btcd, our full-node bitcoind alternative written in Go, is finally ready for public testing!

Go figger!

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 05, 2013, 08:55 PM »

Additionally, how can you ever be sure you, as the parent, are the only person with access to the information that software provides? It's closed source - so you only have the developer's word who has access. And developers have happily lied about such things before. Look at what we've since learned about how far you can trust a privacy policy from Google, Microsoft, and most of the other biggies in the wake of the Snowden revelations.

-40hz (October 05, 2013, 11:25 AM)

Good point. What about if you program it yourself? A simple GPS monitor would only take a few days of programming to get working. The only part that I'm not sure about is getting it to run like a service/daemon as I've not done that on a smartphone before and don't know the APIs for that.

1) Run as a service.
2) Get GPS data. (Optionally use cell tower data for coarse locations.)
3) Encrypt and send data to server.
4) Web page with login to read data.

There's not a lot more to it than that.

This is a dangerous product in that it teaches people, at a very young age, that it is somehow perfectly acceptable for you (or others) to electronically monitor another human being purely for your own peace of mind.

-40hz (October 05, 2013, 11:25 AM)

Ok, you do have a point there. That is a concern.

But again, going back to what I've been harping on about age... Is it a bad idea to monitor small children that are prone to getting lost?

Sorry...it doesn't get more corrosive than that.

-40hz (October 05, 2013, 11:25 AM)

Given how you've framed it as behavioural modification, I can see how it's corrosive there.

But that's ok. I'm sure Uncle Sam is all for it. So that should be assurance enough (for those who are still concerned) that it's completely "ok" to hang an electronic snoop on your kids. That will go a long way towards soothing any anxiety they may have when the government starts doing it to them as adults about twenty years from now.

-40hz (October 05, 2013, 11:25 AM)

You've made an excellent argument for not telling your kids that you have placed monitoring software on the devices they use!

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 05, 2013, 10:48 AM »

I wish you guys would distinguish in your arguments between the case for monitoring a child's cellphone/gps with vs without their knowledge.  To me this is the critical factor distinguishing appropriate from inappropriate.

-mouser (October 05, 2013, 09:38 AM)

Good point, but it's kind of moot for young kids. Age plays a very important part here. Not many 5-year olds would understand GPS or keylogging, much less whether it's appropriate or not.

I politely disagree. To monitor is to send a message you don't trust the person being monitored. And that is corrosive to a relationship regardless of whether the distrust is open or covert. And doing whats "legal" (i.e. what you can get away with) is not the necessarily the same thing as doing what's right.

-40hz (October 05, 2013, 10:09 AM)

For kids? Or cheating spouses, etc?

For kids, I think you're off base there as age is still important. Monitoring your kids location is entirely appropriate for 8-year olds, and very far from "corrosive". But what's appropriate for an 8-year old isn't the same as for a 16-year old.

Particularly for Teenagers is where it all gets fuzzy.

-TaoPhoenix (October 05, 2013, 10:18 AM)

Exactly. That's where kids start to make more meaningful decisions.

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Living Room / CoinPost Open Sourced

« Last post by Renegade on October 05, 2013, 10:30 AM »

This is interesting. A site, "Coinpost.com", wasn't doing all that well, so they open sourced it. It just didn't get any traction.

The RoR source is here:

https://github.com/brighton36/CoinPost

I saw the announcement here:

http://www.reddit.co...bitcoin_marketplace/

Interesting place to announce it though.

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Living Room / Re: Silk Road Seized - Dread Pirate Roberts Arrested

« Last post by Renegade on October 05, 2013, 10:24 AM »

DPR is enjoying a nice cup of STFU.

https://twitter.com/...s/386178542926434304

Jackson West
‏@jacksonwest
Public Defender Brandon LeBlanc denies all charges, but will not discuss case. Ulbricht will not be taking interviews. #silkroadbust

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Living Room / Re: Peer Review and the Scientific Process

« Last post by Renegade on October 05, 2013, 06:16 AM »

I then just now finally got around to watching the vidcast of Prof./PhD Don Easterbrook testifying before a hearing for a senate commission in Washington on 2013-03-26. He is a geologist. Start watching at 10 minutes and 30 seconds. Basically, using just raw, unadulterated data, Easterbrook explains to the senators all about "climate change" and why the theories, models and manipulated data (GISS, NASA, CRU) used by IPCC/CAGW alarmists are bunk. It's like watching a curious and highly rational child knock down a row of standing dominoes, each one onto the next.
Scam exposed. Time spent: approx. 1:20hrs, including Q&A.

-IainB (October 04, 2013, 07:03 AM)

Darn thing doesn't want to play for me. Either stalls or just won't play. I'll have to check back later.

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Living Room / Re: Silk Road Seized - Dread Pirate Roberts Arrested

« Last post by Renegade on October 05, 2013, 12:05 AM »

I hate roads.

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Living Room / Re: The DonationCoder.com 30-Day Healthy Eating and Exercise Challenge!

« Last post by Renegade on October 04, 2013, 11:09 PM »

I fell a bit off the ladder.. can we do another 30 days of September? Who's up for it starting TODAY?

-mouser (September 02, 2013, 10:28 PM)

So. How did anyone manage in September?

I had a few handfuls of potato chips, but that was all the junk food I had. Well, other than some pop for mixer.

October so far is about the same for me, but I had some mini chocolate bars. Every once in a while is ok I suppose.

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 04, 2013, 11:41 AM »

So, I let them know that the phone, the computer, and even their rooms are not theirs.  They are given stewardship over them.  And because I have given them these things we both have responsibilities. Them, to do the right thing.  And me to make sure that they do.  It's my business to know what they are doing, where they are, who they are with... and its their responsibility to tell me and to do the right thing.  And we'll build on mutual respect from that foundation.  As they respect me, I'll respect them.

-wraith808 (October 04, 2013, 10:56 AM)

 

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 04, 2013, 10:45 AM »

It sounds like you're raising your kids to be adults. Props to you!  :Thmbsup

-Renegade (October 04, 2013, 08:07 AM)

I agree. That's a far better approach than to take the easy way out and teach them that stealthed electronic eavesdropping and surveillance are to be expected - and a normal and necessary part of what constitutes American life.

Sad how far so many of us have fallen. And even worse, how blissfully unaware (when not in active denial) we are about it.

But it's been said before: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And right now it looks more and more like we're saying: "The heck with a road! Let's build a superhighway to get us there."

-40hz (October 04, 2013, 10:16 AM)

Hahaha!

I think a more accurate version would be "the (super) Highway to Hell is paved with VOTES." (Love AC-DC!)

Well, I don't think 8-year olds know much about all that stuff, which is kind of why it's probably a good thing to shield them from some of the nastiness out there. Let them be kids. Dig for worms. Climb trees. etc.

But when it comes to the digital world, I don't see how it benefits a 9-year old to know about where in the real world we have people decapitating other people then replacing their head with goat heads in a pentagram for a black magic zombie animation ritual. That wasn't made up. That happens. And it doesn't need to be a part of growing up. That can be left for the adults or "new adults" to deal with.

Monitoring adults is one thing, but for parents to take care of their kids through some degree of monitoring is another thing entirely.

However, it's a matter of degrees. A 10-year old isn't a 16-year old, and you can't treat them the same.

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 04, 2013, 10:01 AM »

Not necessarily true.  I see what you're saying.  But there's also the other side of what a child does under the scrutiny of an adult vs. not.  If you tell them you're going to be monitoring them, you've already poisoned the well.  And when you *can't* monitor them, you then don't know what they'll do.

-wraith808 (October 03, 2013, 08:57 PM)

I have heard this one before. Isn't this basically the same justification that governments use for spying on their citizens?

-app103 (October 04, 2013, 09:42 AM)

HAHAHAHA~! Well, not exactly. There's a difference between pooping your diapers, needing help tying your shoes, needing help with algebra, and being an adult. It's a process. Something to be weaned off of.

None of us have a right to spy on our adult children, and neither does any government.

Have we really sunk to the point where Orwellian monitoring of our children is considered proper? Instead of taking the time to build a rapport of respect and trust with them??!?

The real key problem here is that if the kid has a GPS target painted on their back, then they're just as easy for anyone to find...and not all anyones have said child's best interests in mind. But yet we have obviously been trained to accept the idea of Big Brother-esq monitoring systems as righteous and good ... Because it's... For. The. Children.

-Stoic Joker (October 04, 2013, 06:47 AM)

How do you teach your children that spying on others and/or being spied on is unacceptable, if you are spying on them? What kind of privacy are they going to have as adults? What kind of erosion of their rights will they put up with? What type of rights will they not think a big deal to give up, never having actually had them since birth? (you can't miss what you have never had)

-app103 (October 04, 2013, 09:42 AM)

I think it's a process of weaning. However, my daughter hasn't reached the age where any of this matters yet. So, I'm guessing at some of it.

i.e. Gradually giving more autonomy.

I have always felt that if a parent believed or that if a child showed that they are not mature or trustworthy enough to handle the responsibility of something, the parent shouldn't give it to the child, be it a key to the house, their own TV, their own computer, the responsibility of staying home alone without a babysitter, or a mobile phone.

-app103 (October 04, 2013, 09:42 AM)

Sounds like someone with experience, and some good advice.

If you don't think your kids are ready for the responsibility of a mobile phone, don't give them one. And if you think you have to spy on their usage of that phone, that's a pretty sure sign that you don't think they are ready for it.

-app103 (October 04, 2013, 09:42 AM)

Not sure I'm with you there. There are too many uses for a phone. They might be ready for (or need) some functionality, but not other functionality.

We don't have a "kids' OS" yet. Because companies don't give a crap about children. They say they do, but they don't. If they did, we'd have sane phones for kids. But we don't have those.

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Living Room / Re: INTERVIEW: Ladar Levison of LAVABIT Talks to Luke Rudowski

« Last post by Renegade on October 04, 2013, 09:36 AM »

I can sympathize with Ladar in minor ways as I had a perfectly legal and ethical business that was destroyed by government. I was blind-sided. I never saw it coming.  It completely destroyed my life.

I'm sorry to hear that Renegade, it's the first time you've told us about this I think..

-mouser (October 04, 2013, 09:25 AM)

It wasn't fun. If I remember correctly, I signed the police statement:

NSFW

Fuck off

Or maybe it was:

NSFW

Fuck you

One of those.

But do check the interview. Ladar has got a lot to say there.

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Living Room / INTERVIEW: Ladar Levison of LAVABIT Talks to Luke Rudowski

« Last post by Renegade on October 04, 2013, 09:22 AM »

Here is an interview with Ladar Levinson of Lavabit. Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change talks to him about what he's been through.

The interview is in 3 parts.

1) The Rosa Parks of Internet Freedom, Lavabit Founder Ladar Levinson

http://wearechange.o...nder-ladar-levinson/

2) The man who stood up to the NSA, Ladar Levison Lavabit founder

http://wearechange.o...son-lavabit-founder/

3) The NSA is destroying U.S online business

http://wearechange.o...u-s-online-business/

They are willing to go to some very disturbing lengths...

Think about what this information is being used for abroad. In particular. You know, you don't get a knock on your door. You get something else coming through your door.

That's what we're seeing. Domestic enemies to our own freedom.

At about 11:30 he mentions nuclear launch codes. Umm, "80" anyone?

Metadata is data.

I need support both financially and politically.

At the end, Ladar plugs for his site and donations.

Soap Box

I donated. Please consider donating whatever you feel you can. He has a huge legal battle ahead of him. Even if you can only donate a couple dollars, it will help.

This is a crucially important thing for us. He has tried to do the right thing for himself, for his customers, and for the public at large. He deserves our support.

I have a huge amount of respect for both Ladar and Luke.


I can sympathize with Ladar in minor ways as I had a perfectly legal and ethical business that was destroyed by government. I was blind-sided. I never saw it coming.

It completely destroyed my life.

What Ladar has been through is far, far worse than what I went through.

In the abstract, what I did and Ladar did were similar. I never tried to fight though as I knew that I was already destroyed and had no hope of winning. He's got a lot of courage there that I deeply admire.


Luke is a fantastic journalist. I have a huge amount of respect for him. He asks questions that very few others will, and questions that you will NEVER hear asked in the MSM. He's been thrown out of a few press conferences.


Ladar is nothing short of heroic.

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Living Room / Re: Silk Road Seized - Dread Pirate Roberts Arrested

« Last post by Renegade on October 04, 2013, 08:16 AM »

I'm sure it only took this long to arrest him because the FBI (and god knows who else) first wanted to be sure they had the details and names of everyone else involved. That and coordinate with other countries for arrest warrants and additional seizures. 

-40hz (October 04, 2013, 06:29 AM)

There was a product available on the Silk Road that I was thinking of buying.

And no... it wasn't heroin or coke or weed or hash or meth or some kind of narcotic. Just a simple thing that I won't bother getting into. It was innocent enough as to not warrant any kind of mention. The Silk Road had a lot more than just drugs to get high on it. Not everything on the Silk Road was illegal.

However, I'm glad I didn't buy it. My guess is that a lot of sellers and buyers will be thrown in cages now.

But, there are other markets out there. I hope they stay safe.

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Living Room / Re: Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?

« Last post by Renegade on October 04, 2013, 08:07 AM »

We take the time to build the rapport.   My children are homeschooled for just that reason.  And yes, for all of the talking, tracking, etc., there are still dangers that we won't be able to protect them from.  But as long as they're under 18, I will give them every chance that I can to get to that age.  And every bit of experience, knowledge, and education that I can in order that once they are there, they can have developed enough minds to be able to weigh the choices before them and make their own decision.  Not my decision, and definitely not someone else's decision.  But their own.

-wraith808 (October 04, 2013, 07:45 AM)

It sounds like you're raising your kids to be adults. Props to you!