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I have nothing but respect for Ladar. I hope that he wins, but what the law actually is and what they do are different things.
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Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on October 22, 2013, 09:45 PM »
@Ren - your inner Libertarian Voluntarist/Anarchist is showing again. ;D :P (kidding!)

FTFY. ;)

Libertarians actually think that government is ok. ;)

e.g. A lot of people got angry at the Republicans for shutting down the US govt. I was angry that they didn't finish the job! :P ;D 8)

Cue someone complaining about "who will build the roads" in 5... 4... 3... ;)
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Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on October 22, 2013, 08:44 PM »
I'm never convinced by that argument - can you seperate the "value" of e.g. the dollar from the standard of living?

So, if it cost $0.05 to buy a loaf of bread 100 years ago (when the standard of living was lower), and today it costs $5.00 (with a higher standard of living), then, when a loaf of bread costs $500.00 then what?

Inflation is theft. It robs you of purchasing power. Allowing governments and central banks to inflate currencies is simply criminal negligence.

Today I save enough to buy a loaf of bread. Tomorrow I can't buy that same loaf of bread because of inflation. That's an insidious form of theft.

But confusing the purchasing power of the dollar with standard of living just doesn't follow.

Here are the basic characteristics of money/currency:

http://www.amosweb.c...oney+characteristics

(1) durability,
(2) divisibility,
(3) transportability, and
(4) noncounterfeitability.

The USD doesn't fit that definition, and that's a loose definition. It fails #4. Similarly, other fiat currencies do not fit that definition. Japan, Canada, the EU, Australia, etc. etc., are all engaging in quantitative easing, which is nothing more than a fancy word for "counterfeiting".

Note that the source is incredibly deluded:

An economy needs government, ABSOLUTELY NEEDS government, to regulate the total quantity of money in circulation.

Bitcoin is proof positive that the claim there about government being needed is purely false.

Just look at how well bitcoin is doing without government. Can't people see what's right in front of them?
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Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on October 22, 2013, 08:20 PM »
I'm not so sure about that.

Hehe! Here we go...~!

If anybody today thinks the economy and standard of living in the western world during the 1800s was preferable to that of the 1900s, you'd have to turn a blind eye to most of the history of the 20th century.

That conflates far too many different issues together.

It's like saying it was impossible for people to enjoy cake in the past because they didn't have gas ovens to bake in.

The point I made above was about the stability of market prices.

Standards of living, the industrial revolution, modern science, etc., were all well on their way up prior to the current incarnation of how our money is being debased.

I think you're giving far too much credit ( :P ) to the banking & finance industry.

If anything, we are doing as well as we are in spite of them, and certainly not because of them.

The increase of total money in the system is what led to much of the economic advances the western world experienced.

So, then you're on board with Ben Bernanke firing up the printing presses for QEternity?

1 word:

Zimbabwe.

Or 3 words:

Weimar Republic hyperinflation.

Take your pick. :)

Currency is a measure of wealth. Wealth is a product of time and effort expended in the past and stored in some form or other. e.g. Cleared land for farming, precious metals, works of art, whatever.

You can't "print" time and effort. You can't print prosperity. If you could, Zimbabwe would be the wealtiest country in the world with everyone there being multi-trillionaires.

Even the depression in the 20s wasn't enough to tank the economy permanently - or seriously slow it down.

You mean the depression in the 30s, right? (Roaring 20s - dirty 30s)

I somehow doubt that. But I think we've been reading different history books when it comes to the origins of the stock market crash of '29 and the subsequent depression. I'll see if I can dig up some references for you later and then I'll post back.

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Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on October 22, 2013, 11:50 AM »
It's very much like gold, IMO, and the reason that we moved away from the gold standard (and the reason that I think it was a good thing to move away from it).

Errr... uh, I'm not so sure about that being a good thing. Look at people's purchasing power over the last 200 or 300 years or so. The last 100 years have been a train wreck.
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Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on October 22, 2013, 11:46 AM »
^Again, if Bitcoin is officially supposed to be a currency alternative and not an investment, why does it's constantly spiraling value keep being touted as a proof of concept?

Its increasing value is an illustration of confidence in it.

Please name another currency that has confidence within an order of magnitude like bitcoin. ;)

Currency needs to maintain a fairly stable and predictable value in order to be a usable medium of exchange.

That doesn't follow.

If by "fairly stable" you mean its purchasing power doesn't change, then no currency is "fairly stable". If you mean that the rate of change is slow, then no - bitcoin is not stable compared to other currencies.

Perhaps that would be better phrased as "volatility".

However, it predictably goes up.

The USD predictably goes down. As does the CAD, AUD, GBP, EUR, CNY, JPY, KRW, etc. etc. etc.

This is relevant:

https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Gresham%27s_law


But none of that matters in the least. You're wrong about "in order to be a usable medium of exchange". The problem has been solved by BitPay. (** This is about frames of reference, but that gets icky.)

https://bitpay.com/

So you can accept bitcoins, and have them instantly turned into fiat.

Here's a fun example with you and me as the main characters! :D

Say you are selling nice, super-sexy CentOS servers that you've tweaked out yourself for the paultry price of only USD $2,000.

Now, I on the other hand am but a mere customer. I drool over those wonderful machines you've built, and start saving up.

However, being a smart saver, and knowing that it will take me some time (say 4 months), I buy bitcoins.

Let's also assume that by the time I have the $2,000, your prices will likely go up about 5% or so ($2,100).

However, being somewhat forgetful and not very good with numbers, I spend $2,000 worth of fiat on bitcoins over that 4 months, and when I check the current value, my bitcoins are worth $3,200.

Now, I can either cash them out and purchase your server, or if you accept Bitpay, I can pay you the $2,100 for the server in bitcoins.

Bitpay processes the transaction and delivers either BTC or USD to you, the merchant. You choose what you want to "get out" of the transaction.

I then take the other $1,100 in bitcoins and throw a sexy-server party. (That means at a joint with topless waitresses!) :D


Otherwise it gets dumped whenever it drops and hoarded when it's rising.

That doesn't follow. Bitpay has solved that problem.

Here's the quick summary of the above:

1) I take my fiat and dump it into BTC.
2) When I need to buy something, I use a merchant that uses Bitpay.

I end up ahead because by doing that (1) I have increased my purchasing power in the future.

It is then ALWAYS in my best interest to dump fiat into bitcoins in so far as I have access to merchants that use Bitpay (or a similar solution) and sell the products/services that I will need.

When the products/services I need/want aren't offered by a merchant that accepts bitcoins, then I need to balance the liquidity of immediate fiat cash on hand vs. the inconvenience of exchanging BTC for fiat.

There's also balancing for volatility, but it's not that hard.

e.g. If you put in $10 today, and next week it's worth $12, but when you get to the store to pay, it's only worth $11, what do you really have to complain about? You had X amount of purchasing power last week, and when you bought some product, you had 10% more purchasing power.


Think of it as putting food in the freezer. The food is preserved there for when you need it. Leave it out on the counter, and it will rot. Inflation is destructive like rot. It destroys your ability to save wealth for the future. I've just outlined how to preserve purchasing power similar to how you'd freeze food.

So, have I convinced you any yet? ;)
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^that's a wonderful image/images Ren :-*

unfortunately,
 I have no idea what it's saying :-[
- dont know if that's cause of me - or cause of the image, or somewhere in between (anyone else understand it?)

Or is the whole thing taking the piss out of us cause we cannot get the joke or reference - or is it only when we realise that we cannot get it, that we do get it (getting very zen there)...

I'm not sure if you're joking there or not. The thing is, it's just ironic. There's a phrase in English, "the joke just flew over his head" (or, "it went over his head"), which means that someone didn't get/understand the joke.
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Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on October 22, 2013, 07:12 AM »
And here come the media reports:

http://techcrunch.co...in-breaks-200-again/

After Silk Road Closure, And With Baidu’s Blessing, Bitcoin Breaks $200 Again

The value of a single Bitcoin has broken the $200 mark for only the second time. The cost of a single Bitcoin hit a high of more than $205 earlier today on the biggest Bitcoin exchange, Mt. Gox, although it’s since dipped slightly. At the time of writing it’s still trading at above $200.

More at the link.
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Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on October 22, 2013, 06:21 AM »
Get ready for Bitcoin in the news.

It broke $200 USD and passed CNY 1337 (just how cool is that?), and still has strong upwards pressure. Though there is a wall currently at $206 USD, it seems the psychological pressure is pushing up from $200. The days of $100 BTC are gone.

Both BitStamp and BTCChina have overtaken Mt.Gox in BTC volume.

http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/

Screenshot - 10_22_2013 , 10_12_29 PM.png

(You can see the red dot in that screenshot under "30 days" - that's the Silk Road theft/destruction and kidnapping of the Dread Pirate Roberts, Ross Ulbricht.)

We'll see another flurry of activity in about 1.5 to 2 hours when the east coast of North America wakes up.

In this clip, an analyst talks about how the Chinese government is bitcoin-friendly:

http://youtu.be/BXDSmPk1lQg?t=11m10s

It's cued up to that part.

So far, it seems like nothing is remotely close to hindering Bitcoin. The Silk Road incident only led to a much stronger bitcoin. The strong demand for BTC in China has driven up bitcoin prices, and that's likely to continue with the kinds of volumes that we've been seeing.

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Living Room / Re: Razors and Intellectual Property (Patents)
« Last post by Renegade on October 22, 2013, 05:37 AM »
Of interest:

http://dailycaller.c...emarking-the-slants/

‘RACIAL SLUR’: Government blocks Asian-American band from trademarking ‘The Slants’

A six-member, Portland, Ore. band composed entirely of Asian-Americans has been fighting the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) for over four years in an effort to trademark the band’s name — “The Slants.”

When the band first applied for the trademark in 2009, the PTO refused on the grounds that the name was offensive to Asians, citing two crowd-sourced reference sites — Wikipedia and the ever-colorful Urban Dictionary — in the denial.

Given the PTOs track record, I have difficulty in understanding how they are qualified to make moral or aesthetic decisions.

It would be funny to see some "round-eyes" try to patent "The Rounds" and see what they did.
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DC Gamer Club / Re: UBER-CRYPTO CURRENCY COOLNESS! FOR GAMES!
« Last post by Renegade on October 21, 2013, 09:49 PM »
Looks like they've got a production server running now:

http://www.reddit.co...nt_announcement_and/

Our Counter-Strike: Source West server is now available! You can access and connect (new website feature) directly through www.LeetCoin.com.
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Living Room / Re: Was the iOS 7 "look" created using Microsoft Word?
« Last post by Renegade on October 21, 2013, 08:15 PM »
That was crazy! 8)
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Living Room / Re: Peer Review and the Scientific Process
« Last post by Renegade on October 20, 2013, 06:54 PM »
^^ Nice find, but watch that space. In the US it will almost inevitably be used/abused to attempt to irrationally load one's argument in favour of the proponents of this or that religio-political ideology, and ad hom the proponents of contradictory religio-political ideologies.

Yes. Someone will come up with some skewed "study", then use that to badger people into accepting their skewed conclusion.

Dressing pigs (fraud) up in pink dresses (as science) seems to be far too common.

In a few cases, you can trace problems back to deeper problems in science where accepted science simply doesn't pan out the way it is purported to.

He also pointed out in that and/or a later book that the practice of "taking positions" in debate was likely to be one of the single greatest inhibiting factors to our development, leading to wars and holding back man's evolution. You can substitute "adopting a religio-political ideology" for "taking positions". It sets one's paradigms rock solid so that - regardless of verifiable observational evidence - you can't see or think with any other so-called "truth" (belief/dogma) except that which your paradigm allows you to see.

One of the nice things about "debate" is that they are set up as FOR/AGAINST, which entirely misses the point about finding some sort of truth for most topics. The topic itself needs to naturally fit into that or else you're simply left with a false dilemma, which again, is perfect for the religio-political zealots.


If we are interested in Truth, and if we wish to be something more than unthinking parrots reciting some moronic dogma of a religio-political ideology (system of belief) for most of our lives (which I would argue is realising at best only a sub-human potential), then it seems that one has to fall back on "Nullius in verba/verbo." Motto of the Royal Society, London. Literally, "Take nobody's word for it; see for yourself".

This is far more difficult than it sounds at first glance.

At some point we need to trust someone else to have studied a topic properly, and to have presented the evidence objectively and fairly.

Like you mentioned elsewhere - one lifetime is not nearly enough.


I felt acutely embarrassed for her.

Oh good grief...

"We're on different planets."

Yes. You are on a different planet.

"I have a job and I don't have time to check..."

Well, there's a large part of the problem. In a world where 2 incomes are often needed for a family to survive, it isn't really justifiable to blame people for prioritizing putting food on the table and trusting so-called "experts" vs. verifying data themselves.

Then again, if you don't have the time to check at least at a basic level, you might want to consider just keeping your trap shut.
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Living Room / Re: Peer Review and the Scientific Process
« Last post by Renegade on October 20, 2013, 10:16 AM »
Here's an interesting bit on bias:

http://grist.org/pol...-ability-to-do-math/

Everybody knows that our political views can sometimes get in the way of thinking clearly. But perhaps we don’t realize how bad the problem actually is. According to a new psychology paper, our political passions can even undermine our very basic reasoning skills. More specifically, the study finds that people who are otherwise very good at math may totally flunk a problem that they would otherwise probably be able to solve, simply because giving the right answer goes against their political beliefs.

The study, by Yale law professor Dan Kahan and his colleagues, has an ingenious design. At the outset, 1,111 study participants were asked about their political views and also asked a series of questions designed to gauge their “numeracy,” that is, their mathematical reasoning ability. Participants were then asked to solve a fairly difficult problem that involved interpreting the results of a (fake) scientific study. But here was the trick: While the fake study data that they were supposed to assess remained the same, sometimes the study was described as measuring the effectiveness of a “new cream for treating skin rashes.” But in other cases, the study was described as involving the effectiveness of “a law banning private citizens from carrying concealed handguns in public.”

More at the link.
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^ I don't know... there's something just WRONG about kids singing black metal like that.
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DC Website Help and Extras / Re: I want a badge.
« Last post by Renegade on October 19, 2013, 09:50 AM »
FURRY! ;D 8) Be furry!  :Thmbsup:

I tried that once, but the link didn't seem to work...so I gave up.

Meh, y'know... furry doesn't work for everyone.

Did you make sure that you did a new line? Always do another line.

And if furry still doesn't work for you, you can always try shaved. ;)
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Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on October 19, 2013, 09:47 AM »
Here's a bitcointalk forum thread with bitcoin documentaries & short films:

https://bitcointalk....x.php?topic=268955.0

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General Software Discussion / Re: Have you played with this type of database?
« Last post by Renegade on October 19, 2013, 07:19 AM »
^^ Good finds there! I'd checked quickly, but only turned up a dead site.

It seems like they have community versions there, which are usually free. I've never heard of a non-free community version.
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Living Room / Re: Knight to queen's bishop 3 - Snowden charged with espionage.
« Last post by Renegade on October 19, 2013, 06:49 AM »
How about this?
...
Food for thought? (Heh. Weak pun.)

Yeah - I saw that over at AP (Activist Post). :D The new AP!

That's simply way too much power for anyone. It's obscene.
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Living Room / Re: Knight to queen's bishop 3 - Snowden charged with espionage.
« Last post by Renegade on October 19, 2013, 12:14 AM »
This video tries to sum it all up: Tell Congress and President Obama: "Knock it off and stop the NSA surveillance programs

I just came across a public showing of the short film at the We Are Change YouTube channel:

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DC Website Help and Extras / Re: I want a badge.
« Last post by Renegade on October 18, 2013, 10:05 PM »
FURRY! ;D 8) Be furry!  :Thmbsup:
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Living Room / Re: Interesting "stuff"
« Last post by Renegade on October 18, 2013, 07:29 PM »
I do wonder what it tastes like though.

On the way up, or down ... Because it can't possibly sit well.

Chemical burns on the way down and bile burns on the way up? :P ;D
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I wonder what the implications are for cryptography.
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Living Room / Re: Interesting "stuff"
« Last post by Renegade on October 18, 2013, 06:41 AM »
(see attachment in previous post)
Texas Motor Speedway unveils bacon and beer milkshake


 :o

Really? Kinda makes you wonder sometimes. I like bacon, but cripes... bacon & beer milkshakes? Curiouser and curiouser... I do wonder what it tastes like though.
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