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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 03:27 PM »

Yes I remember dBase III Plus, Rick Spence Clipper and many other books along with Mastering VB 6.

I saw the Spanish program screen shot, it is using, most probably Expand or Grep Library type of codes for the drop-box etc.

dbDOS is, most likely, like DosBox which allows to run 16 bit DOS programs in 64 bit Windows OS. I use DosBox to check some of the old applications we made for our clients who wants them in Windows version.

Like I said, no matter what, you can not take a DOS code and make in Windows one. The GUI is huge difference as per the code goes. XBase++, which we use, will compile and make it run in hybrid mode in Windows 64 bit, but is very very costly.

You can wait for dBase.com if they come up with some easy solution.

Regards,

Anand

-anandcoral (January 21, 2014, 10:07 AM)

Anand. Of course i can try anyway in dosbox.
But i need how to execute the disks from the vetusware site i have downloaded.

 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 03:25 PM »

 

Incompatibillity in line 10 in the source of menu.prg

modi comm i think was the way to edit a prg

modi comm menu.prg from the prompt .......

 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 03:21 PM »

In the virtual machine under windows xp pro my menu.exe obtain the error code page.

So i would like to know what can i do for launch a clone with another code page.
I don't remember now, but seems a problem with 850 and 437 code pages.

How can I change the code page in a clean windows xp pro sp3 installation ?

All under the same pc. Now the conditions of license have changed and only one windows 7-64 may be installed......

Terrible indeed.
 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 03:12 PM »

I install the trial of dbase plus 8 from dbase.com
Really it's very similar to Visual dBASE 7 from Borland, but uses SQL databases. Initially reads my shared data disk Y: for affecting the BDE that uses Goldmine 5.5 . I try this not happen and even obtain a security copy before and a snapshot in the virtual machine.
Finally seems go well. I will study. The price is similar to the program Ananda owns.

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 02:22 PM »

The Borland Visual dBASE 7 for windows NT

I think i have a problem under windows xp pro impossible to solve.
And I don't understand like the english version of borland dbase 5.0 for dos es for windows xp too.
According to dbase.com this version don't have problems under xp, because really is the original version.

I don't remember, but Visual dBASE 7 for windows NT spanish version had a problem with xp. I think was related with the compiling possibilities.

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 02:11 PM »

I've no experience with code, but do have a bit of experience with trying to export/convert files from one format to another. You often end up with so much work that you wonder if it would have been better to recreate the file from scratch.

Surely with code, you will need to be able to code anyway, in order to correct all the minor things that dont convert well (?)

-tomos (January 20, 2014, 03:50 PM)

Yeah, I'm with Tomos -

Or, to be funny, look at the "advertising" graphic on that site:
https://varycode.com...version_conveyor.png

-TaoPhoenix (January 21, 2014, 01:52 PM)

 

 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 02:08 PM »

I've no experience with code, but do have a bit of experience with trying to export/convert files from one format to another. You often end up with so much work that you wonder if it would have been better to recreate the file from scratch.

Surely with code, you will need to be able to code anyway, in order to correct all the minor things that dont convert well (?)

-tomos (January 20, 2014, 03:50 PM)

Yeah, I'm with Tomos - I'm no coder, but I did used to do file/data conversion as a key part of my old job. One program wants to add extra header lines to stuff, so then if you dump it your line count is hopelessly ruined. Another program wants to fiddle with pagination so then Adobe's Acrobat X comparison tool bombs with false positives because the entire document is off by a paragraph, creating False Positives.

Yecch.

Or, to be funny, look at the "advertising" graphic on that site:
https://varycode.com...version_conveyor.png

The first two rows of a Rubik's Cube are a snap. "Anyone with twelve brain cells" (shout out to Ren!) can do the first two rows. It's the last row that's a killer. I'm no SpeedSolver, so the method I use is sloppy and slow, but it all boils down to two cubes at the very end. Wait for it ...

It takes a 36 move sequence to do it!

That's like (File) conversion: It looks good, yay this is a snap, ... until that last 20% chews up 80% of your time!

Code, to do actual stuff, has to be worse. Data is just data. Code has to actually Do Stuff. I will absolutely say I don't trust any program created solely by a "converter". I'm fine if a programmer wants to use tools, but code is for ... uh ... code-monkeys er, people!

-TaoPhoenix (January 21, 2014, 01:52 PM)

the conversion idea comes to understand under my "dBASE eyes".
I don't have any need to translate to 7 while exists virtual machines able to run the program. And that is my problem now. Because the spanish version seems more incompatible than the english one.

I use at the present moment goldmine 5.5 under seven. But when i need to interact with office i do in the virtual machine with office xp.

The borland DBE seems to be the same the last version I adquired from Borland Visual dBASE 7 para windows 95 y windows NT.
But I remember some sort of problem under xp sp3 too.
So I don't know what to do because my program i really do from dbase III plus, dbase IV and finally dbase 5.0 para DOS, but almost don't use the visual dBASE 7

 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 01:58 PM »

My program don't run in windows 7 even compiled
The main menu.exe gives error.
So they are 16 bit
 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 01:07 PM »

I remember i adapted to open a cash with ESC codes and use a scanner for reading bar codes
 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 01:03 PM »

some screenshots are from my app under dBASE.
 

If I can recover in an easay way I can make invoices, inventory and that sort of things
 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 01:01 PM »

The problem with the code page was 437 vs. 850 .
In windows 98 SE under virtual machine some things some things fails

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 12:38 PM »

How can I execute the disks in a console under a guest virtual machine running windows xp pro sp3 ?
 

I have dBASE 5.0 para DOS in a folder. Goes like a portable program once is installed from the original disks. I think so.

Time to search the vmware machine under w98SE......

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 12:36 PM »

I "remember" four disks
In vetustaware are four disks
I have EIGHT disks. No I have four disks. perhaps the eights are a prior version in 720 kb....
 
The photos

I search with everything my hard disks and find a folder where seems I have the disks in other format. Presumably I transformed the disks 3½ in other format long time ago.

But I don't "remember". Sure i have security copies....
 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 12:18 PM »

Owww i am crying
I remember my Quattro Pro . I conserv the original disks. It's like excel
And wordperfecttttttttt

I will come back later....
 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 12:16 PM »

http://www.vogons.or...php?f=31&t=27920

http://www.vogons.or...iewtopic.php?t=33514

Seems no a trustful tool
 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 12:14 PM »

 
I have found this.
http://vetusware.com/
I have one thing to try
I remembered bitter attempts with my borland dbase 5.0 para DOS (spanish version) and the handicap of the code page failure.
So I must try in english
I am trying too with DosBox

Thanks Anand 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 10:35 AM »

Yes I remember dBase III Plus, Rick Spence Clipper and many other books along with Mastering VB 6.

I saw the Spanish program screen shot, it is using, most probably Expand or Grep Library type of codes for the drop-box etc.

dbDOS is, most likely, like DosBox which allows to run 16 bit DOS programs in 64 bit Windows OS. I use DosBox to check some of the old applications we made for our clients who wants them in Windows version.

Like I said, no matter what, you can not take a DOS code and make in Windows one. The GUI is huge difference as per the code goes. XBase++, which we use, will compile and make it run in hybrid mode in Windows 64 bit, but is very very costly.

You can wait for dBase.com if they come up with some easy solution.

Regards,

Anand

-anandcoral (January 21, 2014, 10:07 AM)

But the exe of one of my programs goes well in windows.

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 09:17 AM »

Perhaps with the new version from dbase.com i solve my problem with the code page
 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 09:13 AM »

 
Remember !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

 

And remembering the problem I have :

https://www.donation....msg347445#msg347445

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 09:04 AM »

 eliminated for bad composed
 

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Coding Snacks / Re: Screenshot on alarm

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 08:56 AM »

All these years I have the same problem when executing the spanish version of dBASE 5.0 for DOS from borland.


Edited : sorry this post don't go here.
I will correct in the future to link to the correct one.
Best Regards
https://www.donation...n=post;topic=37062.0

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Coding Snacks / Re: Screenshot on alarm

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 08:39 AM »

Well, if you know the title,class or ID of the warning window it might be possible. I can look into making an app that will sit in the system tray and look for specific IDs,Classes and Window titles and then when it see's that window take a screen shot of it. Did you want the whole full screen window or just the window with the error/warning?

-c.gingerich (January 20, 2014, 09:28 AM)

How do you do ?
Then is possible this app.
Perhaps the best way is indicate what windows are not interesting and assure the windows we have to control.
Or any other similar way.
 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 08:03 AM »

AFAIK, AutoIt was created from the AHK codebase, because some people found the AHK 'language' was too unreadable in their opinion...

-Ath (January 20, 2014, 04:39 PM)

Actually, it was the other way around; AHK was created from AutoIt.

-skwire (January 21, 2014, 07:49 AM)

An interesting point to discuss when we are plenty of time.
I don't worry because Skwire programm in AHK, and Miguel in AI
 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 08:01 AM »

Ejem.

I think is possible to run in windows xp :


dBASE CLASSIC™ Requirements
dBASE CLASSIC™ will not run on Windows® Vista or above without an MS-DOS emulation program like dbDOS™. dBASE CLASSIC can run on Windows 95 – Windows XP, but for the product to run on the latest hardware and software from Microsoft, the user will need a product like dbDOS™.
dBASE CLASSIC™ Features
For a full list of features as reported when the dBASE V for DOS product was released in 1994 from BORLAND, please review the following page: FEATURES
Will there be updates dBASE CLASSIC™?
dBASE CLASSIC™ is feature complete, there will be no updates or bug fixes to the underlying dBASE V for DOS product.
What are the dBASE CLASSIC™ Support Options?
dBase, only offers installation support on the product. The dBASE V for DOS product is made available to help users who need a full copy of the product to continue to work with the product. NO DEVELOPER or INCIDENT support will be offered on the product.


My original version in diskettes don't run in windows xp pro. so may be an opportunity.
Why adquire dbDOS if i can run the program under xp that is easily virtualize with VirtualBox ?

As I told before I have an irregular installation (trial or so.....) under VMware running under Windows 98SE. But I really don't use it.

But at the present moment i have a lot of xp virtual machines running.

 

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General Software Discussion / Re: The nightmare of the programmer languages

« Last post by Contro on January 21, 2014, 07:48 AM »

What I don't understand is dBASE classic is able to run on windows 7 64 bits or need necessarily dbDOS ?

Because seems an offer independent at the present moment able to run in these modern oS.

But why they offer dbDOS.
I think i'll need dbDOS to virtualize dBASE 5.0 for DOS (the version I have in diskettes). The program is really portable and i have tried all these years under virtualization. VB is not prepared now to run windows 98 se. But when was possible i think i have a relative vm for that purpose. i tried too an irregular installation under VMware. .......