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2076
General Software Discussion / Re: How In-app Purchases Has Destroyed The Industry
« Last post by Renegade on February 03, 2014, 09:12 AM »
Only shaving the surface... It's much worse than that.
2077
DC Gamer Club / Re: HUNTERCOIN GIVEAWAY~! =D
« Last post by Renegade on February 03, 2014, 08:55 AM »
No takers?

Really?

Oh well... I tried...

And at market rates, I made almost $300 today for playing a silly game! :P
2078
DC Gamer Club / Re: Gaming is about to be revolutionized!
« Last post by Renegade on February 03, 2014, 01:08 AM »
I'm having the same problem I've had with DOGE... maybe I'm just too impatient.  It never syncs... and with DOGE, I gave up after I came back and there were double the blocks to sync that there were before I left.


See here:

https://bitcointalk....sg4903902#msg4903902
2079
DC Gamer Club / Re: HUNTERCOIN GIVEAWAY~! =D
« Last post by Renegade on February 02, 2014, 09:55 PM »
Here's a screenshot:

Screenshot - 2014_02_03 , 2_54_36 PM.png
2080
DC Gamer Club / Re: Gaming is about to be revolutionized!
« Last post by Renegade on February 02, 2014, 09:12 PM »
I'm having the same problem I've had with DOGE... maybe I'm just too impatient.  It never syncs... and with DOGE, I gave up after I came back and there were double the blocks to sync that there were before I left.


Check with the original thread for an updated client if that happens. Sometimes restarting helps. It does take time to sync though, depending on the size of the blockchain. THis should be pretty fast though.
2081
DC Gamer Club / [ENDED] HUNTERCOIN GIVEAWAY~! =D
« Last post by Renegade on February 02, 2014, 08:52 PM »
To help get a few people started, I'm giving away some Huntercoins.

Huntercoin is a crypto currency game. It's both a currency, and a game. You can mine Huntercoins, or you can play the game to collect them.

The Bitcoin Talk Forum thread is here:

https://bitcointalk....x.php?topic=435170.0

1) Download the wallet
2) Run it
3) Wait for the blockchain to sync
4) Create an address and post it here.

I'm giving away 3.015 Huntercoins to the first 3 people to post an address. That's enough to get you 3 players. (1.005 coins per player)

Moving
Select a character in the list, then click on a location. Do this for each character that you want to move. Click "GO" to move.

Cashing in Coins
Go back to the spawning area and into the coloured section against the wall. Then get OUT.

Spawning Area Death
If you are in the spawning area for more than 30 blocks (a measure of time), you die.

Collecting Coins
Move over a coin to collect it. Coin values are labeled on them. Stay in the same location to collect coins as they spawn in your location.

Destruct
You can kill players with this. I've not used it yet.


EDIT: I have some more coins now, so I can give out more.
2082
DC Gamer Club / Re: Gaming is about to be revolutionized!
« Last post by Renegade on February 02, 2014, 07:34 PM »
I don't play many games, but this seems uber-cool. You can actually collect coins? Wow. I haven't figured out how to cash my player coins into my wallet though... Once I figure that out, I'll try to give away some coins for people here to get in and play.
2083
DC Gamer Club / Gaming is about to be revolutionized!
« Last post by Renegade on February 02, 2014, 06:16 PM »
HUNTERCOIN

It's a crypto currency and a coin.

https://bitcointalk....x.php?topic=435170.0

Guess what we'll see a lot more of in the future? Games that ARE their own crypto currency, not just "HAVE" a currency.

This is going to be BIG in gaming.
2084
Living Room / Re: Google sells Motorola to Lenovo for $3bn
« Last post by Renegade on January 30, 2014, 09:11 AM »
Yeah.... Minus the patents... :P
2085
Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on January 29, 2014, 10:49 PM »
Truthfully, I can see why- for the same reason I don't use direct deposit in many cases.  Leaves a money trail that can be reversed.  Tracing is fine... it's the reversal that alarms me.

I'm not OK with tracing. It's none of my business what other people do with their money, and it's nobody else's business what I do with mine.
2086
Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on January 29, 2014, 02:01 PM »
More IT pros than not want to get paid in bitcoins:

http://www.businessi...oin-paychecks-2014-1

Once people get paid in bitcoins at scale, it's game over and Bitcoin wins.
2087
On the dark side of humour, a friend sent me a link saying, "It's a good start."
2088
Living Room / Re: NSA restraints? Yes we can! (not)
« Last post by Renegade on January 26, 2014, 10:59 PM »
The TechDirt perspective:

http://www.techdirt....ed-to-virginia.shtml

It's a bit better.

But don't worry about the NSA... JUSTIN BIEBER!!!

http://www.techdirt....-justin-bieber.shtml



Really? REALLY?!?
2089
Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on January 26, 2014, 05:17 PM »
People looking to ditch the Rand:

http://www.news24.co...oin-Save-Us-20140124

The Rand is Dying Can Bitcoin Save Us?

A perfect storm has formed and the Rand continues its plummet.

The key factors contributing to the decline: a balance of trade deficit, poor economic data globally and a mining sector hit particularly hard by weak global resource markets.

South Africa, as one of the ‘BRICS’, was often touted as an emerging market to watch. These days it finds itself in less auspicious company; the so-called ‘Fragile Five’ (India, Indonesia, Brazil and Turkey).
The economic fundamentals are poor and citizens are left with few options. Most feel powerless. With few options available many are forced to watch their real wealth, denominated in Rand, evaporate.

More at the link.

Is anyone beginning to see the currency war that's going on? No? Oh... well perhaps this... ;)

http://www.coindesk....-bank-backs-bitcoin/

Head of Russia’s Largest Bank Backs Bitcoin, Again

Sberbank may not be a household name in the west, but it just happens to be the third-largest bank in Europe.

It’s also the biggest bank in Russia and eastern Europe, with nearly half a trillion dollars in assets and a workforce of 300,000.

The bank is owned by the Central Bank of Russia and it is headed by German Gref, who served as the Russian Minister of Economic and Trade from 2000 to 2007. Gref’s tenure was marked by a period of economic reform and liberalization. Judging by his recent statements, he is still open minded when it comes to monetary issues.

More at the link.

And more on the current currency wars:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101307137
http://www.moneymorn...he-currency-war.html
https://www.google.c...ency+war&tbm=nws

Oh, the carnage is going to be a sight to behold! :P ;D
2090
Living Room / Re: NSA restraints? Yes we can! (not)
« Last post by Renegade on January 26, 2014, 03:20 PM »
^ seems to me you're both agreeing there - just looking at it from different perspectives...

Yes. The main difference is that I make no presumption of government acting in good faith. They don't have a track record to support that assumption.
2091
Living Room / Re: NSA restraints? Yes we can! (not)
« Last post by Renegade on January 26, 2014, 02:48 PM »
Nothing said? They said they're going to continue.

Nothing done? They stayed the course.

Insubstantial? They affirmed that they're going to continue exactly what they're doing now, but perhaps with a minor tweak here or there.

The speech was supposed to be about reforms and changes to be made to government surveillance programs.

Therefore: Nothing of substance was said. Nothing of any substance will be done. And whatever else was being offered as a proposed course of 'action' is insubstantial when viewed in that context.

 8)

I think we're simply going to disagree on that.

My spidey-sense is telling me that it was supposed to be theatre, and nothing more.

The evidence appears to be on my side:

http://www.storyleak...ion-amazon-purchase/

Andrea Shepard, a Seattle-based core developer for the Tor Project, suspects her recently ordered keyboard may have been intercepted by the NSA.

Following the purchase of a new IBM Thinkpad Keyboard from Amazon.com, Shepard discovered her package to be taking a strange detour to the East Coast, revealed by a screenshot of her shipment tracking information.

Paranoid? Possibly. However... What is more likely?

No. The speech was not supposed to address anything. It was mere theatre to distract people and attempt to reassure them that everything is just fine. The NSA will continue to do what they are doing. If there are "reforms", they will only escalate what they are doing now - they will not give an inch. And if they do give an inch, they will take a mile somewhere else while they use the inch as a media distraction to cover their sins.

It's not the terrorists that hate you for your freedom... Look closer to home for that...
2092
Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on January 26, 2014, 01:56 PM »
I think many would do very well to read the following. They illustrate with extreme clarity how Bitcoin is safer than banks:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...ws/business-25861717
http://news.yahoo.co...-need-222425920.html

I'll leave out quotes for the sake of civility. Comments should probably be directed to the crypto thread in the basement.

2093
Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on January 26, 2014, 04:46 AM »
Crypto is about to go nuclear!

http://ethereum.org/
http://ethereum.org/ethereum.html

Watch the video.

More in the Basement.
2094
Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on January 25, 2014, 07:00 PM »
You've made some interesting points Ren, but I'm not sure how to square them with the stuff I read.

Here is the (official?) bitcoin faq page (http://bitcoin.org/e...are-bitcoins-created), emphasis mine:


The Bitcoin protocol is designed in such a way that new bitcoins are created at a fixed rate. This makes Bitcoin mining a very competitive business. When more miners join the network, it becomes increasingly difficult to make a profit and miners must seek efficiency to cut their operating costs. No central authority or developer has any power to control or manipulate the system to increase their profits. Every Bitcoin node in the world will reject anything that does not comply with the rules it expects the system to follow.

Bitcoins are created at a decreasing and predictable rate. The number of new bitcoins created each year is automatically halved over time until bitcoin issuance halts completely with a total of 21 million bitcoins in existence. At this point, Bitcoin miners will probably be supported exclusively by numerous small transaction fees.
Why do bitcoins have value?

Bitcoins have value because they are useful as a form of money. Bitcoin has the characteristics of money (durability, portability, fungibility, scarcity, divisibility, and recognizability) based on the properties of mathematics rather than relying on physical properties (like gold and silver) or trust in central authorities (like fiat currencies).

To me that (and other discussions i read when searching for "bitcoin + scarcity") seems to confirm my point -- that it is a central element of design that huge amounts of cpu have to be churned through, solely because it is essential that one not be able to quickly mine coins.  That's the whole point of the scarcity thing, which still seems key to me.  The design of the system simply does not allow allow a situation where mining coins is energy cheap and efficient.  By design if someone found a way to mine the coins for half the energy cost, it would simply mean that the next day everyone would be running twice as many computers to mine bitcoins.

In fact, the scarcity-by-design and spread-of-mining-over-all-miners nature means that that the amount of cpu resources and energy costs will ALWAYS rise to a cost near the expected value of the coins.  If you think that a coin will be worth $1000 then you would be willing to spend a little less than $1000 on your energy bills and hardware costs to mine a coin (or spent that much money infecting people's computers with bots to do so).  The system is designed to force people to churn through that cpu time and energy cost because by design it must -- those extra cpu cycles are not benefiting anyone they are simply there to impose an (artificial) cost on users in order to enforce a limited supply.

My point was that it doesn't have to be that way.  You could find a way to keep exactly the same properties (of scarcity, limited supply, protection against attack, etc.) but have the cpu work required for mining actually be useful, in-and-of-itself, for other purposes.

Thanks for the links to primecoin -- i look forward to reading about it.


Blah... I had a huge write up, but it was overly complicated and long. I'll just simplify.

Coin scarcity and block rate have nothing to do with energy. Compare gold vs. platinum at 2500 and 130 tons per year of annual production and $1,270 and $1,430 prices - supply (scarcity) doesn't determine value. Demand does. Many coins have the same scarcity as bitcoins, but... big difference. Supply of fixed limit coins is always 100% or less. It's the demand that is driving things - not the scarcity. If it were scarcity, we would see the same effects on other coins, which we don't.

Mining energy costs are not strictly coupled to price. Check out some calculators. Here's an example:

http://www.coinwarz....000217&hc=300.00

And more specifically:

http://bitcoinwisdom...m/bitcoin/calculator

You can see there that energy costs are not particularly important. The important part is the cost of the hardware. Hardware costs easily eclipse the costs of energy.

http://cointerra.com/
https://www.kncminer.com/

Hardware quickly becomes obsolete, as you can see in the calculator above. As hardware approaches obsolescence, energy costs become important. e.g. If you mine bitcoins on a CPU, you are only wasting energy. It's like pissing into the ocean and expecting the tides to rise. CPUs are obsolete for SHA-256 mining.

i.e. Energy costs are only important for obsolete hardware. Moore's Law ensures that hardware becomes obsolete quickly. :)

For scarcity, the limiting factor then isn't energy, it's hardware. Just try to buy some decent Bitcoin mining hardware... just try... ;) It's almost impossible. Chances are you can pre-order, but you can't just get hardware easily. You can get obsolete hardware though.

Obsolete hardware gets removed from the network, and often put onto other coins. e.g. GPU mining on scrypt, CPU on Primecoin algos, etc.

But making the computing power useful is best done through algos like Primecoin's. SHA-256, scrypt, Blake, Quark, and other algos aren't useful beyond securing the network, which is the first and primary goal of the algo. If it can't do that, it can't be used, which makes things like finite problems pretty useless for crypto.
2095
...
Dogecoin attempts to buy the first round, when the bartender says "No need. Cody Coin has already paid for the first round and has been sitting at the end of the bar waiting, for the last 7 years!"



http://devtome.com/d...ltcoin_cloning_guide

Get at 'er~! ;D  :Thmbsup:
2096
N.A.N.Y. 2011 / Re: NANY 2011 Release: Duplicate Photo Finder
« Last post by Renegade on January 24, 2014, 09:33 PM »
Interesting because this just popped up to Slashdot:

" Does Anyone Make a Photo De-Duplicator For Linux? Something That Reads EXIF?
Posted by timothy on 05:32 PM January 23rd, 2014
from the which-ones-are-not-like-the-others? dept.
postbigbang writes "Imagine having thousands of images on disparate machines. many are dupes, even among the disparate machines. It's impossible to delete all the dupes manually and create a singular, accurate photo image base? Is there an app out there that can scan a file system, perhaps a target sub-folder system, and suck in the images-- WITHOUT creating duplicates? Perhaps by reading EXIF info or hashes? I have eleven file systems saved, and the task of eliminating dupes seems impossible."
http://linux.slashdo...hing-that-reads-exif


From Renny's description:
"Lets you choose an "original" and "duplicate" folder to search in
Finds duplicates by file size, file signature (file hash), or photo signature (pixel data hash)
Lets you delete individual photos or many photos at once"

So while a couple of the Slashdot Poster's desired features may be missing, the pattern match was too good to ignore.
8)

Heh "Monetization Opportunity"!
:D

Nah... Too much trouble. I think I'm about done with doing any more public software releases. I think I've got 1 or 2 more, and then that's it - packing it in.

I like developing desktop software, and it's a dying market. People do stuff on their phones that I just have no interest in. I hate the "app" world and the walled gardens. Crapware is moving into the browser and cloud, and I am not remotely interested in being at the mercy of a browser or supporting the destruction of user-controlled data by doing any kind of cloud "app". I like having "my" software on "my" desktop with "my" data. Everything that's going on now is simply antithetical to the kind of software that I love and enjoy writing.

There are a limited number of online things that I like doing, but... I like a desktop client interacting with the web, and not shoddy web pages that barely work.
2097
N.A.N.Y. 2011 / Re: NANY 2011 Release: Duplicate Photo Finder
« Last post by Renegade on January 24, 2014, 09:27 PM »
Hey Ren,

Looks like the download link is offline, can we get an updated download link? (or just attach to forum post?)

Thanks. I've updated the links.

Funny, the only time I hear anything about these is when someone can't download them. :)
2098
Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on January 24, 2014, 06:54 PM »
Well, seems like a lot going on here since I last checked.  Wraith808 posted down in the Basement, which directed me over here.

INTRINSIC VALUE

This is most often an unproductive discussion that boils down to, "well, that's not what *I* mean by 'intrinsic value'." It's like debating with Humpty Dumpty. "There's glory for you!"

So, I'll be (mostly) clear about how I'm going to use (abuse?) that term... I mean that it has a use. Not very complicated. Not sophisticated. Not difficult. Not full of BS. It has a use. Period. Note that I have used a very broad definition. That is intentional.

Suffice it to say that (I believe) the most proper definition of "intrinsic value" requires this qualification: "to <who>?"

Remember, "value" is subjective, and requires someone to place value on some "thing" ("thing" can also be "event"). To talk about value outside of some kind of agency is to entirely miss the point. Agents place value on things/events. "What is it/that worth to me/you?"  

Nuff said there.
 
ENERGY CONSUMPTION

This is a bit of a silly argument. "Bitcoins are causing the Earth to melt! OMG! Shut it down!" I'll refer people here. All activity requires energy. All of it. There are no exceptions. If you want output, you have to have input first.

A splash of anarchism
I try to avoid this bitcoin stuff because the whole world of finance seems completely insane and make-believe to me.

And no less insane than the world of government. ;)



In any event, the problem is already solved.

Peercoin. ;)

However, i am somewhat interested in the technology issues.

Ah! And how we shall explore some of your musings below~! :D

But what I think eleman touched on which is odd about bitcoin is that, if i'm understanding it correctly, one of the key ideas of bitcoin is that by design it MUST require huge amounts of otherwise-useless cpu cycles, in order to simulate/create scarcity.

You're not understanding it properly.

1) The CPU cycles are not worthless. I'll explain below.
2) They do not simulate/create scarcity. I'll probably skip this as it's going off into a non-tech area. (2 things to address there though.)

It's a key property you have to have scores of high-powered computers doing nothing but churning through useless operations 24 hours a day, 365 days a year to do "work" that is of no value other than to purposefully slow down the generation of these digital tokens.

No. This is a complete mischaracterisation of what is happening. It isn't remotely close.

The next bit will meander a little, so please stick with me.

The genius behind Satoshi Nakamoto's invention (or one aspect of his genius) is that he solved a general computing problem called the "Byzantine Generals' Problem". Previously all attempts at digital currency have failed because they could not solve the "double-spend" problem (a specific case of the Byzantine Generals' Problem). So, people could spend the same digital currency more than once in the same way that you copy a file. Satoshi solved this problem so that coins cannot be spent twice.

More on the 'general' problem here: :P

https://startpage.co...+Generals%27+Problem

In short, he solved it. The solution is the "blockchain", a public ledger of accounts.

Now, in order to ensure that people don't access other people's ledger entries (entries in the blockchain - where your bitcoins are stored), we use cryptography.

The cryptographic problems are very difficult to solve, but very easy to verify.

Grab a Sudoku and solve it. Now, verify that it is correct. THAT'S IT! It took you a long time to solve, but you verified it very very quickly.

Bitcoin and other crypto currencies do the same thing.

And thus, the Byzantine Generals' Problem is solved.

The energy is not wasted. It is securing the network and the blockchain. There is no minimum or maximum amount of computing power than "must" be thrown at the network/blockchain. It can be more or less. However, the more computing power thrown at the network/blockchain, the less chance that a malicious miner can fudge entries and double-spend.

The double-spend is now known as a "51% attack".

Another splash of anarchy!
"Democracy" is the original 51% attack! :P


A 51% attack is where you acquire 51% of the network hashing power and then use it maliciously against the network/blockchain.

Yet another splash of anarchy! (Remember the cypherpunk roots.)
This is exactly the same as how the majority in a democracy force their will on the minority.


With the power behind Bitcoin now, a 51% is virtually impossible. Search for videos with Andreas Antonopolous for more information on why that is so.

Hopefully I have outlined the cryptography reasons why the energy isn't wasted.

tl;dr - The energy used to secure Bitcoin is much the same as how you might spend resources to guard your home/business with locks, fences, CCTV, guards, dogs, etc.


But now the interesting technological question that comes to mind is, could you flip that?

I think I've already established that it's not wasted. I skipped quite a bit, but you can read the paper for the details on exactly how it happens. But... to answer the question again from a different perspective...

YES!!!

Could you make a new crypto/digital currency where the work required to virtually "mine" such things was actually PRODUCTIVE USEFUL work?

It has already been done. Primecoin.

http://primecoin.org/
http://www.ppcointalk.org/
https://bitcointalk....x.php?topic=251850.0
https://bitcointalk....x.php?topic=245953.0

First non-hashcash proof-of-work in cryptocurrency, pure prime number based proof-of-work

http://primecoin.org.../primecoin-paper.pdf

Abstract

A new type of proof-of-work based on searching for prime numbers is introduced in peer-to-peer cryptocurrency designs. Three types of prime chains known as Cunningham chain of first kind, Cunningham chain of second kind and bi-twin chain are qualified as proof-of-work. Prime chain is linked to block hash to preserve the security property of Nakamoto’s Bitcoin, while a continuous difficulty evaluation scheme is designed to allow prime chain to act as adjustable-difficulty proof-of-work in a Bitcoin like cryptocurrency.

...

Primecoin is the first cryptocurrency on the market with non-hashcash proof-of-work, generating additional potential scientific value from the mining work. This research is meant to pave the way for other proof-of-work types with diverse scientific computing values to emerge.

I highly recommend reading that paper if you are interested in some of the technical details. It's fascinating stuff. They've really done their homework well.


Like a crypto/digital coin which was generated by successfully solving protein folding problems, etc.

The example you've given probably isn't a good one. This is cryptography... not a division of the life sciences. If there is general class of mathematical problems that relates to life sciences, then perhaps. I don't know though. Those are questions for cryptographers to determine. (And specifically, those questions are NOT for biologists or physicists to answer.)

Now, could you tack on some kind of life science problem or problem in astronomy or cosmology? I suppose so, but it would not have any value for the network. It would be "busy" and meaningless work for the network. HOWEVER... Do note that Primecoin DOES the kind of work that you've hinted at and *IS* meaningful to the network. i.e. The work it does is both productive and meaningful.

Specifically, you need a class of problems for which you can continually generate solutions, and not a class of problems for which at some point you have generated all the possible solutions.

The classes of problems that Primecoin addresses are well beyond my grasp as I'm not a cryptographer and I don't have an advanced degree in mathematics.

Such a thing would still enforce rarity/scarcity by requiring massive cpu cycles -- but those cycles themselves would be producing useful work.

Scarcity has nothing to do with anything as far as the Bitcoin technology goes, unless you mean for a 51% attack. If you mean rarity/scarity in the economic sense, then that's an entirely different question and completely irrelevant to the Bitcoin technology.

i.e. The computing power does not create any kind of scarcity --- but there may be a scarcity of computing power.

tl;dr - Well, not really a summary, but hitting 2 main points made above in several posts... Primecoin and Peercoin solve different problems: the problem of scientific usefulness over and above the securing of the network/blockchain, and energy consumption, respectively.
2099
So bitcoin, litecoin, and dogecoin walk into a busy bar.

Bitcoin says, "Drinks on me!" and gets in line at the bar.

Litecoin says, "I'll get the next round" and sits down.

Doge says nothing and comes back with the first round of drinks right away.

Bitcoin and Litecoin ask, "How did you get the drinks so fast?"

Dogecoin says, "Because I tip better than you two."

http://www.reddit.co...in_walk_into_busy_a/
2100
Living Room / Re: Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
« Last post by Renegade on January 23, 2014, 04:53 AM »
Terrorism! Drugs! Online Assassinations! Money laundering! Tax evasion!

No... This is what bitcoins are really used for:

http://www.forbes.co...ng-on-overstock-com/

1. Sheets

2. Cell Phone Accessories

3. A/V Accessories

4. Appliances

5. Computer Accessories

6. Computers

7. Men’s Shoes

8. Hard Drives

9. Bedroom Furniture

10. Keyboards & Mice

11. Men’s Watches

12. Computer Hardware

13. Storage & Blank Media

14. Living Room Furniture

15. Shirts

16. Perfumes & Fragrances

17. Networking

18. Cookware

19. Memory Cards

20. Towels

21. Area Rugs

22. Computer Components

23. Decorative Accessories

24. Fiction Books

25. Lighting & Ceiling Fans

Half a million dollars worth in 2 weeks. At 1 store.
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