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General Software Discussion / Re: Bartels Media paranoia
« Last post by Josh on February 13, 2010, 05:33 AM »
Bartals was banned by me for hijacking various threads and accusing other coders/members of stealing various things in every thread that mentioned a competing product. The way I look at it, DC is not the forum to vent at every single developer you can and then attack people for saying they use a competing product.
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Living Room / Re: I hate Valentine's Day!
« Last post by Josh on February 10, 2010, 04:46 PM »
...Easter (all about bunnies and eggs for some reason)...

South Park Episode S11E05 - Fantastic Easter Special explains the reasoning behind this and the secret of the "Hare club for men"

Synopsis/Spoiler
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General Software Discussion / Re: Win7: Anyone else getting excited?
« Last post by Josh on February 08, 2010, 04:29 AM »
Why are we using a Windows 7 thread for TLB announcements?
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Adventures of Baby Cody / Re: Baby Cody In Belleville, NJ
« Last post by Josh on February 07, 2010, 11:36 AM »
I think that April is engaging in an IO (Information Operations) campaign against me which combines APDEC (April Deception) and profiteering in order to get the public on her side for various issues she discusses in the IRC channel.
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Adventures of Baby Cody / Re: Baby Cody In Belleville, NJ
« Last post by Josh on February 07, 2010, 04:40 AM »
Baby Cody is being held hostage by the evil April in Belleville, NJ. Rescue operations are currently underway to recover Baby Cody from his captors and will be returned to safety in Afghanistan very shortly.
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General Software Discussion / Re: on OS updates and breakage
« Last post by Josh on February 06, 2010, 06:50 PM »
That is one of the major flaws holding linux back in the desktop market. Yes, it comes with just about every command line tool built in along with different modules and dependencies, but with those dependencies comes risks. Some apps require a certain version and upgrading an existing library can cause that app to break. This is one of the many heartbreaks I face with securing our linux based servers I work on.
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Living Room / Re: Browser Wars: Why did you choose yours?
« Last post by Josh on February 06, 2010, 06:21 PM »
Tux, it is one thing to contribute pros and cons but your comments often times, not only in this thread but in many others as jgp has acknowledged with me, are often not helpful, insightful or anything of that nature and designed to be purely fanboy-ish style. As I said, I will be removing further posts of that nature. When it affects and stops other users from posting, that is when I intervene as it detracts not only from the thread but from the overall forum quality and the ability to generate real discussion about the topics at hand.

I have no problems with you posting, but please do so in a manner that is not designed as a flame-generating reply or a zealotous, i know that is not a real word, comment.

Now, back on topic. That is the end of this discussion. Further replies can be handled privately as this thread has had enough hijacking as others have agreed with.
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Living Room / Re: Browser Wars: Why did you choose yours?
« Last post by Josh on February 06, 2010, 05:51 PM »
Tux,

I am now asking you to stop. After the last series of thread hijackings, I am telling you publicly to stop. I will not tolerate any further thread hijacks that are for purely semantical or fanboyish style comments designed to generate flames/start an online feud. Several users have complained on the IRC channel and I too am growing weary of it. I believe stephen summed up the comments I have been receiving quite well.

Please stop hijacking the threads and post when you have content to add that can aid to discussion and are not pure flame-bait or designed to detract from the original purpose of the thread. If you want a thread dedicated to those topics, please feel free to post a new one and see if you receive the replies you desire.

I apologize if this is harsh but I have bitten my tongue, per mousers request on the IRC channel, for far too long on this subject.

Further thread hijacks will be removed.

Thanks.
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Living Room / Re: Browser Wars: Why did you choose yours?
« Last post by Josh on February 06, 2010, 12:45 PM »
That is one topic I wanted to touch on with chrome. Where are the privacy issues coming in to play? Does google really intercept and monitor all traffic used through the browser? Surely they do through their search engine since it is a great data analysis tool, but through the browser? I have not seen any mysterious connections to google when using chrome that were not initiated by me.

Is there a page which provides documented evidence of these things? I am not trying to attack here, merely inquisitive as I have not witnessed any mysterious behavior since using chrome. I am always willing to learn.

That said, like stoic, I use IE for a majority of my server management tasks because, like it or not, ActiveX still provides a very useful system for interacting with systems on a level which is far more complex using java and other scripting languages. IE is accepted by the DoD, the parent of who I work for (US Army). Firefox is becoming more so but it still needs a lot of changes made to it for it to work with DoD systems (CAC Card Authentication, certificate issues, etc).
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Living Room / Re: Browser Wars: Why did you choose yours?
« Last post by Josh on February 06, 2010, 11:00 AM »
And what exactly is wrong with that? They are not copying verbatim in most instances and in others it is the exact same author porting the extension. So really, what is the difference? If a developer chooses to release the SAME tool for another browser, then why change it specifically for one of the browsers you are coding for? Or is it that you are upset that these coders are in fact supporting "the competition"?

I care less which browser I use as long as it does the job I want. I am not "attached" to one browser or way of working. Anyways, back to the rest of the thread as once again this has been hijacked on an off-topic rant that seems to be occurring quite frequently.
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Living Room / Re: Browser Wars: Why did you choose yours?
« Last post by Josh on February 06, 2010, 10:25 AM »
So, if I am understanding, your sole objection to other browsers using features is that they must improve something? I think the fact that google and others are implimenting what users want, extension capabilities, opens the doors for those developing users to innovate beyond what is already on the market. That said, you have to start somewhere. Chrome and its extension capability is in its infancy while firefox is like the 30 year old businessman who already has his ways set.

Give it time and I guarantee that the chrome system will surpass what is seen on firefox because only when people compete with similar ideas does innovation truly occur.
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Living Room / Re: Browser Wars: Why did you choose yours?
« Last post by Josh on February 06, 2010, 10:01 AM »
It is innovative if they improve upon it. That is the difference. Innovation does not involve creating a brand new product but can be rather improving an existing one.
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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: Web-Browser Review: Opera 10.00
« Last post by Josh on February 06, 2010, 07:32 AM »
Yes, that is for PLUGINS not EXTENSIONS. This plugin API allows content like flash and java to work with opera. It is not an EXTENSIONS API.
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Living Room / Re: Browser Wars: Why did you choose yours?
« Last post by Josh on February 06, 2010, 07:32 AM »
That is for PLUGINS not extensions. That was pointed out a while ago. This is for stuff like flash/java.
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Living Room / Re: Browser Wars: Why did you choose yours?
« Last post by Josh on February 06, 2010, 03:53 AM »
Tuxman: So, you are basically saying that any browser which has extensions is a clone of firefox, is that right? If so, then mozilla and netscape were both copies of IE because IE allowed products to tie into the browser from the beginning. Other browsers based off IE have allowed similar functionality well before your beloved FF came into play. Now please note, I am not knocking FF, I like it and use it currently, but as I said before, once Roboform comes to chrome, I am jumping ship. It is not that Mozilla (Or its users in the case of extensions) are not innovative enough, its that chrome gives me what I want in a 0 n

You seem bent on the fact that everyone else is running with extensions or various extension features (NOT CREATED BY MOZILLA, but by its users). In the end the only thing that matters is not who did it first, but who does it best and in my books chrome is doing quite a good job so far of catching up and has quite a bit of potential and kinetic momentum to let it surpass what firefox started with its FRAMEWORK. That is the primary difference is that FF made it possible for EVERYONE to tie into the browser through a common framework/API. Microsoft allowed this from the start through its Windows API.

As I said, in the end, its not a matter of who copied who or who did what first. It is a matter of who A. Does it best, B. Does it in a way that works for the end user or C. Does it in a way that is most intuitive to the general populous. So please, all I am asking is that we stop the "X is just a copy of Y" or that "X did Y feature first". It really gets old especially with the opera crowd and tabbed browsing.
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Living Room / Re: Browser Wars: Why did you chose yours?
« Last post by Josh on February 05, 2010, 03:14 PM »
To me a browser must have a few capabilities.

A: It must be able to be extended. I am not talking about loading up thousands of extensions, but a few that have proven useful or provide me my desired way of operating. Chrome is there now and I am just waiting on the roboform extension to give me back my full RF Toolbar. Extensions are a must if you want a truly personal browsing experience. Some browsers allow endless customization of the UI, but that is not enough for me. I must be able to extend a browser if the developer has not added something I find useful.

B: It must be fast. No, I am not talking about in benchmark times when rendering Java, AJAX, various CSS scripts and activex controls all at once. I am talking overall speed. UI Responsiveness, switching between tabs, and load time. I do not care to switch browsers because one is .3ms faster at AJAX rendering. I want overall experience. That is something which cannot be measured in a benchmark that matters to me.

C: The browser must be easy to install and uninstall. IE does not register when it comes to this category as it is part of windows and thus requires neither. That is not a plus or a minus to me as IE stays out of the way unless I request it (or some poorly coded application launches IE despite my default browser choice).

All that said, those are the major players in my criteria for a browser. Right now, I am using firefox. 3.6 improved on speed and memory usage but memory usage is not that important to me. I do not have 4GB of ram to let it sit there doing nothing. I have it so applications can use it. Chrome uses a bit more ram and more processes but in the end it results in a smoother experience from my perspective. One tab crashing does not crash the entire browser, just that tabs process. Chrome is missing one thing and I will gladly swap over and that is the roboform extension. I am thinking about even going with the bookmarklet, but that is just far too different for me to operate with so I am playing around with it now. So, in the end, chrome is my preferred browser but I am using FF until I can get chrome to do what I want it to do.

Might want to change CHOSE to CHOOSE ;-)
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Firefox is slower with more extensions...The more you load on top of your browser, generally, the slower it becomes. This is not a chrome unique problem.
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FF 3.6 did speed things up but chrome is still noticably quicker and snappier on my systems.
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I have to say, once roboform release their extension for chrome I am dropping firefox. Chrome is just so much quicker and snappier, especially on my low-end netbook and even more so on my high end x64 dell laptop. I am in love with chrome but need RFs toolbar.

On a side note, 2100 posts!
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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: Web-Browser Review: Opera 10.00
« Last post by Josh on February 05, 2010, 04:42 AM »
The wand lacks in its ability to poorly manage multiple login names per site, the ability to edit stored passwords so you do not have to DELETE and then RECREATE your login in opera, and various other password field catching code. Yes, it can catch some sites, but sites like bank of america where you get a second prompt requires 2 separate logins for opera. I can do this in one fell swoop in roboform.

Also, the bookmarklet is nice for roboform but it is no roboform toolbar. Yes, it works ok, but it is slow and requires you operate online. In my profession, I use roboform in instances where a connection to the commercial internet is not possible. That is where roboform shines above all others. It allows me to operate in the environment of my choosing, how I want.

But yes, opera does have quite a bit of catch up to do on A LOT of their features. Most of their features are created so that opera can say "We did it first" and then left to stagnate. This has been proven time and time again where a new feature will be introduced and never touched again.
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Activation/License/Language Help / Re: need license key
« Last post by Josh on February 04, 2010, 07:16 AM »
We do not help with keys for other programs. This is not a piracy site.
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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: Web-Browser Review: Opera 10.00
« Last post by Josh on February 03, 2010, 02:59 PM »
Does anyone get an "Applish" vibe when they think about opera?
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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: Web-Browser Review: Opera 10.00
« Last post by Josh on February 03, 2010, 02:13 PM »
I honestly find the whole argument juvenille. Just my two cents. FF is the accepted term, proper or not. Arguing about it will not solve anything and is trivial given that the entire issue is a play on semantics and not really conducive to actual chat/debate about the original topic, Opera.

Tux, I realize you like to nit-pick, but come on. Let us get back to the original topic.
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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: Web-Browser Review: Opera 10.00
« Last post by Josh on February 03, 2010, 03:27 AM »
I try opera for a solid 3 day period, after my initial trial back in 1998, with every new release (NOT BETA OR ALPHA, Just major releases). Yes, I am upset at the lack of 3rd party support, but I do try it just to see if it is something I can still work with. I am not against opera, mainly its devs thou, and I do wish I could use it as it seems to be fairly well designed. My issues with it are the developers ignore COMMON feature requests in the guise of security. They act like their decisions are better for the users than choice.

The other fact that I really do not like is no extensibility. This does not have to be in the form of extensions per se, but some sort of code to allow third party tie ins. Toolbars and other basics I do not consider extensions. Extensions are things I consider that add to the browser more than just a toolbar but some form of new functionality. Yes toolbars do this, but not in the same way as forecastfox adds to FF. Extensions or API systems are designed so that the userbase can extend the browser to meet their and others needs where the developers do not see fit. It can actually prove very useful as it would allow the developers to see just which extensions are the most popular and incorporate them in either their own code or by using the extension code directly. This was even demonstrated by opera with their addition of an ad block capability, which isn't very optimal in my opinion.

Anyways, enough for me.
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Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: Web-Browser Review: Opera 10.00
« Last post by Josh on February 02, 2010, 07:50 PM »
And generate more conversation/debate here on DC which is what I am all about!
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