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I guess it all depends on how much to heart you take an insult. I've got enough experience with not being treated nicely that I have become quite adept at ignoring most insults directed at me. "Sticks and stones..."

FOSS and GPL can't restrict freedom. Nobody is required to follow their philosophy or embrace GPL tenets. If you don't like what they're saying or doing you can always go your own way. But if you do buy into their community, you're also expected to play by the rules. Which isn't unreasonable. Because the very same thing applies to almost everything else we do outside the FOSS community as well. Every benefit entails some hassle, no matter where you go.

And even at it's ugliest, the FOSS community realizes (sometimes painfully) that it is a community based on complex social interactions and understandings - where just because you 'own' the bat and ball,  doesn't automatically mean you also get to make the rules.

GPL drives a hard bargain: If you release your code under GPL you are relinquishing all downstream control over how it gets used. Once it's out there it's up for grabs.

But being 'up for grabs' comes with a catch for some of the grabbers:

If you use code that was released under GPL in your own project, and (and this is important part) you in turn release it (either as your own code, product, or project) then your work must be given back to the community under the same terms as the GPL code you are using.

Basically, GPL allows for free and unlimited useage - but forbids individual ownership.

And although it seems strange, many historically successful societies (monastic orders, communes, fraternal organizations, etc.) operate on the same principle whereby individual members have access to, but not ownership of, the full resources of the community.

Under this type of arrangement, each individual member is wealthy - even though he or she owns absolutely nothing. (Wow! Heavy!!! ...say it some more, Man...)

Scary stuff if you've been brought up in a laissez-faire capitalist society like many of us have. But it does work.

At least if you let it. 8)

I've compared FOSS to a pot-luck supper. And the more I think about it, the more I think it's a valid metaphor. Still, it's a weird banquet when you look at it. The master chefs are all off in the kitchen arguing. Some of the guests are sharpening knives and glaring at each other. One or two young cooks are holding up their forks and trying to look like they mean it.

And everybody else is just sitting down at the table with a great big spoon, chowing down and enjoying the feast. 8)

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Living Room / Re: Obama staffers find no Mac love among White House computers
« Last post by 40hz on January 23, 2009, 12:21 PM »
The article is just fluff trying to invent another way in which the previous government was somehow incompetent - it backfires to anyone who does IT in the real world because there is nothing wrong with 6+ year old technology - almost everything we use nowadays - even all the trendiest things like subnotebooks, virtualisation, clouds etc. is more than 6 years old. Exceptions might be some graphics cards and the ipod's touch screen and a few other things.

And frankly nowadays if you can't move from mac to PC to linux and do the basics of your job, you're not as good as you think

Bless you for pointing that out.

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Living Room / Re: When you make your 100'th Post
« Last post by 40hz on January 23, 2009, 11:36 AM »
I can't believe I just hit 1000 with this.

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Q: Goodness gracious...how can anybody gab so much? :-[

A: That's easy - business has been slooow! ;))
10754
That's true too. That's why it's just sad to see people in the FOSS world hate on a product because it's a fork or looks like a copy.

I'm all for criticizing on a bad fork but stuff like reading how many complained that Mint was just a poor man's copy of Ubuntu even when they were just beginning is just sad and an insult to budding developers.


I think that comes back to something I said earlier.

Truth is, many people have a real problem with just 'giving' something away with no strings attached.

It's very hard to let your children go off on their own. And I think that's true no matter how personally "enlightened" or dedicated to the principles of FOSS you are.

Nobody in FOSS appreciates a lack of gratitude; or duplication and fragmentation of effort. But spinoffs can, and even more importantly, will occur. And that's because the FOSS approach was specifically designed to allow it to happen, even if it doesn't exactly encourage it.

Forking is the least desirable method for resolving disputes in the open source community. Many forks occur for no other reason than somebody taking a snit - and as such, they should be discouraged.

But it's also important to note that forking has produced such beautiful offspring as Mint, Joomla, and a number of other worthwhile efforts.

I guess that's the whole problem with freedom. It just makes you so...free. ;D

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Regarding PlayOnLinux: Where's the list of compatible games?

Oh... Hi Deozan!!

That's right.

PlayOnLinux!

Was that what we were supposed to be talking about? ;D

Sorry for going so OT. :-[



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Living Room / Re: Have you used IE 8?
« Last post by 40hz on January 23, 2009, 10:55 AM »
I'm running IE8 under the Windows7 beta release and it seem to be behaving quite well. It's still in beta, so I wouldn't recommend it for your primary browser. That being said, it's pretty good. No problems so far.

But I still prefer Firefox 3.0.5, which also works quite well under Windows 7.
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General Software Discussion / Re: RedHat Linux: Fedora 9
« Last post by 40hz on January 23, 2009, 10:47 AM »
unless you want to use a 64 bit OS and have a 64 bit processor, I strongly suggest the i386 version.

As things now stand, you're usually much better off going with a 32-bit distro, even if you have a 64-bit processor, unless you have a very specific application or requirement in mind. And even then, the performance gains vary greatly depending upon which apps you're running.

There are still a lot of driver support and hardware compatibility issues with 64-bit distros, including the ones from such major players as Ubuntu.

A general rule of thumb: If you don't know whether or not you need a 64-bit OS, then you probably don't.
 8)
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General Software Discussion / Re: RedHat Linux: Fedora 9
« Last post by 40hz on January 23, 2009, 08:10 AM »
I'd be happy to snailmail you a copy of the Fedora DVD if you'd like.

Same goes for Ubuntu and several other distros. Let me know what you want. :)

Just PM me a mailing address and I'll get it out to you if I have it.

Despite the negative attitude many people have towards the USPS, they can still hit most continental US addresses in 2-3 business days. In my home state (CT) 90% of the stuff I mail in the morning to CT addresses arrives the following business day.

I don't know if that's the rule everywhere (CT is one of the smallest and most developed states) but up here, the mail system does work.

IDEA: Maybe we NIX people can set up some informal disk exchange for OSS and save our fellow DoCo members some bandwidth? Not everybody has fast connections, and several ISPs are looking to stop providing "unlimited use" accounts. AT&T is already trying a "test" out in Nevada.

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P.S. Edvard: check your messages?

10758
I'm incredibly interested in the idea of finding a really good writing tool for Linux, since that is the one thing keeping me tied to Windows. Sure, I could dual-boot, but I spend far too much time writing - it wouldn't be worth the effort unless I can find something fit for a writer that works under Linux.


Could you be more specific about exactly what constitutes a "writing tool" for you? That topic has come up more than a few times on DoCo. Maybe we can point you to the appropriate forum posts once we have a better idea of what you're looking for.

Also let us know what you have tried that didn't work so we won't point you towards something you've already looked at.

 :)
10759
someone will accuse them of trying to paint a fork

But if necessary, you can't be afraid to fork.

Forking is a safety device. It's the ultimate "deadman's switch" built into GPL.

FWIW: in every software project I've ever been involved with, there has always been a core group or individual that ultimately makes all the design decisions.

In some of the more 'democratic' (i.e less efficient) projects, more people were allowed to provide input - but what input actually made it into the project was still at the discretion of a very few people. And in most cases, that 'group' was composed of exactly one gal or guy.

Where the group that forms around the core developer(s) really comes into play is in the debugging phase. Many hands make for quick debugging.

And when you consider just how individual an activity programming is, I'm not sure actual development can be done any other way.

This is how I've seen it work:

1. Everybody gets to discuss the project.

2. One person writes the first draft design spec.

3. One person writes the baseline code. (May be the same person in step 1)

4. Everybody gets to play with the alpha and offer suggestions, corrections, and patches.

5. All the input from the alpha experience gets summarized and tabulated.

6. The lead architect (1 above) or coder (2 above) takes a look at the alpha report and decides what in that report is going to make it into the next coding cycle.

7. "Feature Freeze' is announced for the next coding cycle.

8. All go back to step one and repeat until there is a workable product (or until everybody gets sick of it, and either quits, or forks to a new project).

And so it goes.




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General Software Discussion / Re: Free software - Sony Acid Express 7
« Last post by 40hz on January 22, 2009, 05:31 PM »
Thanks Carol.

I'm fed up enough with the people that make FL Studio that I just might switch back over to Acid.

It will be interesting to see how well the current incarnation works since I haven't looked at Acid in over five years.

If the Beatles could do Sgt. Peppers with only three tracks, far be it from me to complain to the Gift Horse about only giving me ten. ;D
10761
Living Room / Re: Obama staffers find no Mac love among White House computers
« Last post by 40hz on January 22, 2009, 05:23 PM »
So what?

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(Tune in tomorrow for another non-news article from The Washington Post)
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General Software Discussion / Re: Another Linux Thread :-P
« Last post by 40hz on January 22, 2009, 08:20 AM »
If you're going to use Ubuntu, you can get a legal and free electronic copy of Canonical's The Official Ubuntu Book at this link:

http://www3.vista-se.../24/958328512281.zip

(Thank you Mr. Shuttleworth! :Thmbsup:)

Copyright © 2007 Canonical, Ltd.

This book is published under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 open publication license,   http://creativecommo.../licenses/by-sa/2.0/.

All rights reserved. Printed in the United States of America. This publication is protected by copyright, and permission must be obtained from the publisher prior to any prohibited reproduction, storage in a retrieval system, or transmission in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or likewise unless permitted under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license 2.0. ...


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Living Room / Re: Please help me build my new computer, DC!
« Last post by 40hz on January 22, 2009, 08:01 AM »
Laptops are one thing, but on a desktop, the only power saving feature I use is to turn off the monitor after 20 minutes. The screensaver is set to blank after 10 minutes.

If I'll be [away/sleeping/goofing-off] for more than an hour, I just do a shutdown. :P

I'm more inclined to go with "greener" technologies (such as lower-power CPUs etc.) if I'm going to get serious about energy savings. Especially since most of my stuff doesn't sit idle enough for long enough to benefit - and PSM still has problems despite its age. You'd think they'd have it fixed by now.


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And yes, as f0dder noted, you should use one due to the risk of possible screen burn. :)
10764
General Software Discussion / Re: Another Linux Thread :-P
« Last post by 40hz on January 22, 2009, 06:51 AM »
I'll definitely check in to Amahi. It looks like it might be just the thing I'm after.

FYI: Amahi does require a copy of the Fedora 9 DVD (not the 'live' CD) to do the install properly. F9 is a pretty big download (3.33Gb. Yikes!)

I don't know what you have for a web connection, but if you want, I can just snail-mail you a freebie copy and save you some bandwidth. The USPS can usually hit most addresses within two business days. Pop me a mailing address via PM and I'll get one out to you pronto.

Much like zridling says, welcome aboard! :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup:

10765
A shame really, because instant communication is nice for getting stuff solved. Mailing lists have a better success rate (and nicer people!) but is unfortunately a lot slower than irc...

Glad you said that. I still like mailing lists and Delphi polls. Sometimes slow is nice too. ;D
10766
Don't follow your logic about how "GPL isn't free at all" however.

I'm confused. Care to elaborate? :)
That's pretty easy.

GPL pretty much guarantees that the software is open and that it will usually be gratis (at least the code, you can keep the product as a whole non-gratis by keeping data resources under a commercial license). To achieve this, however, GPL imposes a truckload of restrictions, very much inhibiting freedom.


I don't see it so much as restrictions. More like clauses to prevent people who like to play word games from exploiting the good-will surrounding GPL and diluting its meaning.

You can kill something by blowing it up, or with a thousand  cuts.

GPL has proven itself quite blast resistant in court. And the courts (at least in the US) have repeatedly affirmed that the GPL is enforceable despite numerous legal challenges that ranged from mere nit-picking to utterly bizarre.

So the challenge for GPL has now become how to protect itself from being slowly murdered. And this is actually a bigger threat to GPL than mere legal challenges because of the way 'human nature' works.

Consider this scenario:

You have eight hundred people in a line buying tickets. Everybody waits their turn and is behaving sociably. An adjacent ticket window opens, but the people still keep to a single line, alternately going to the next available ticket seller. Excitement builds, but everyone still remains calm and respectful since the line is moving smoothly. Most people are joking, flirting, or having conversations with their neighbors, and the whole experience of waiting in line has taken on a festive mood.

But suddenly, half way up in line, somebody lets a friend slip in ahead of them. Murmurs go up and down the line. Possibly an argument breaks out. Next a third window opens, but an announcement is made that only persons with VIP Club Cards can use that line. Thirty or so people move over to that window under the baleful glares of the rest of the line. More murmurs and comments follow, and somebody feels compelled to shout an insult at the people in the VIP line.

By now, two distinct lines have formed from the original. Alternating between the two available windows has stopped, and the crowd is now in a much less sociable mood.

Finally, a fourth window opens, and a minor mob scene ensues, with people shoving and running to queue up in that line before anybody else does. Now the crowd is jittery and hostile because the earlier cooperative social contract has been broken.

The previous goodwill has been completely replaced by a 'just give me my f***ing tickets and let me get the hell outtahere!' mindset.

And you can see this behavior repeated in parking lots, holiday checkout lines, and at 4-way stop signs. The cooperative system works just fine until one jerk decides to break the rules and set everyone else off. After that, it's Law of the Jungle time.

Sad, really. Such fragile things, these social contracts...

 :tellme:

GPL is in the same situation as that concert crowd. It only works as long as people share a basic understanding, and agree to play by the rules. One exception, one cheater, one successful attempt at circumvention, and the whole edifice can easily come tumbling down.

And because people constantly attempt to do an end run around the GPL, each successive version has become more complex and detailed in an attempt to head off this problem. If GPL has gotten complex, blame the people that are trying to game the system, not the people that are trying to keep the FOSS social contract alive.

I know the non-FOSS 'party line' is to create a fog around GPL. But when you look below the smoke, you quickly discover that GPL is based on a few very simple ideas:

1. Some people believe the world would be a far better place if the software they wrote was released with no restrictions on copying, modification, or use.

2. The GPL codebase represents tens of thousands of hours of human effort. And that codebase has a real monetary value, even though nobody gets charged to use it. 

3. GPL is like a pot-luck dinner. Anybody is allowed to sit at the GPL table and freely take as much as they want.

4. In return, people need to be willing to play by the same rules as the folks they're taking from. If you build on top of GPL software, then whatever you build should also become GPL software.

Look at it this way: if somebody lets you use their kitchen; provides some (or most) of the ingredients; and possibly offers to help you cook - then the least you should be expected to do is share the leftovers after you've eaten your fill.  In a nutshell: Don't be a pig.

 8)

So I think it really all comes back to what GPL is all about. If something is released as "free and open" under GPL - then it really should be just that. Really free. Really open. No exceptions. No Games.

It's a very straight forward idea. It only gets complicated (and ugly) when certain individuals try to figure out a ruse to get around it. But I suppose that's also just human nature.

Truth is, many people have a real problem with just 'giving' something away with no strings attached.

GPL drives these people crazy. :)

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10767
BSD license is much less confusing than GPL, and is true freedom, not the twisted definition the GNU people have. GPL isn't free at all - sure, it keeps projects open and available, but not free...

Agree about BSD licensing being easier to understand. It's a simpler licensing concept than GPL.

Don't follow your logic about how "GPL isn't free at all" however.

I'm confused. Care to elaborate? :)
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General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking
« Last post by 40hz on January 21, 2009, 07:40 PM »
What I found the most interesting was the section entitled ComplexityIsInTheEyeOfTheBeholder

I had to read it a couple of times to make sure I understood what they were saying. And if I did understand it correctly, this section spells out very clearly why Chandler doesn't work on so many levels.

Another way to put it is:

While it's true that this Chandler world of mutable, evolving items and collections is NOT the experience people are used in the physical world. (Desks don't turn into Oatmeal.) This IS exactly what happens with ideas and concepts in our brains. (Ice cube, Ice Cube, Ice queen.) And computers are supposed to be brains, not file cabinets.

And on this point, I really have to disagree. Computers are not brains. And I'm not all that convinced that they were supposed to be either.

A fun read all around. These people are crazy. But they're fun to read.

Pausing until I "grok in fullness..." ;D

10769
Heh, the IRC session is pretty spot on the sugar... sadly, that is how the linux channels work, at least on efnet.

IRC? Too many kiddies. :P

I've given up on IRC except for a very few private channels. And those of us on those will probably be moving completely over to a groupware/conferencing solution sometime this year.

We're not trying to be secretive or elitist - we're just trying to have a few focused discussions; and occasionally get some work done. ;)

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Living Room / Re: Seagate's Barracuda 7200.11 drives failing at alrming rate?
« Last post by 40hz on January 21, 2009, 03:18 PM »
They've been monitoring the forums and silently updating the KB text to cover up inaccuracies

That is an unfortunate trend that we're starting to see everywhere, not just on product websites.

See: http://philosecurity.../19/our-revised-news  >:(

and

http://www.ojr.org/o...place/1091056600.php
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Living Room / Re: Please help me build my new computer, DC!
« Last post by 40hz on January 21, 2009, 01:00 PM »
well, i hooked everything up yesterday night and it works! 

No smoke?

Epic win SB!  :Thmbsup: :Thmbsup:

w00t!!!
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Developer's Corner / Re: Coding web pages for different browsers.
« Last post by 40hz on January 21, 2009, 12:10 PM »
And we don't do Javascript without jQuery. jQuery is a godsend, and every time I use it I am grateful to the developers because I actually have FUN creating websites.

housetier: that comment alone is worth its weight in gold! :Thmbsup:

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Check out this Smashing Magazine article for some excellent ways to incorporate jQuery in your web projects:

Link: http://www.smashingm...ood-user-experience/

45+ New jQuery Techniques For Good User Experience

by Noura Yehia

JavaScipt libraries have made huge leaps and bounds in helping developers write code and develop products more quickly. jQuery is one of the most popular JavaScript frameworks, with powerful tools that improve the user’s interaction with Web applications. jQuery has an additional advantage in that it allows developers to select elements on a page using CSS-like syntax.

To help you take it up a notch, we share below some methods that can help you give visitors to your website an amazing user experience. Here are over 45 impressive jQuery plug-ins and techniques that have been recently created and that could make the development of your next website an easier and more interesting experience than the last.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Awesome article re: organization and notetaking
« Last post by 40hz on January 20, 2009, 06:09 PM »
Fantastic article! Thanks for the link. :Thmbsup:
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Living Room / Re: Secure deletion: a single overwrite will do it
« Last post by 40hz on January 20, 2009, 01:57 PM »
what's a recommended utility for Windows systems?
TrueCrypt, and forget about wiping ;)

Bingo! That's what I use for anything I'm concerned about. :Thmbsup:

But if you're in the market for a free utility for serious disk wiping, look no further than
Darik's Boot And Nuke (DBAN):

http://www.dban.org/

Darik's Boot And Nuke

Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot disk that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction.

DBAN is a means of ensuring due diligence in computer recycling, a way of preventing identity theft if you want to sell a computer, and a good way to totally clean a Microsoft Windows installation of viruses and spyware. DBAN prevents or thoroughly hinders all known techniques of hard disk forensic analysis.


This ugly puppy will nuke any BIOS discoverable disk in any PC regardless of OS. 8)
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