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General Software Discussion / Clipping from documents with source

« on: January 01, 2013, 06:54 AM »

As I'm looking through the programs I have, I find few that will take clips from documents and record the source document with the clip. The three I have found are CH+S, Cinta Notes and Zoot.
I was wondering whether there are any others that people use regularly that can do that?

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: January 01, 2013, 06:11 AM »

@Dormouse: Scrivener does web clippings just fine.
It even has the floating clipboard window that onenote has.
Doesn't work well on linux, though.

-urlwolf (December 31, 2012, 01:52 PM)

I've not managed a successful web clipping yet, 1st stalled near the end, 2nd produced a can't do it message, 3rd froze the program, 4th time failed. I'll maybe try it again, but I don't think it likely that I will use if often since I've not found a convenient way of doing it - only entering URL.

Screenshots I can do, though have to make sure Scrivener itself is out of the way.

I can drag images & text onto the scratch pad; no source but otherwise works OK & I can see how to manage the sources. Still not as convenient as monitoring the clipboard, but would be workable.

I don't really see myself using Scrivener to collect or store primary information. Or writing short documents  (too many niggles (eg still haven't got a good way of managing tables) & doesn't have the buttons or window organisation that I prefer). For longer documents it is good. And will hopefully improve further. Pricing, I think, is also fair and definitely non-gouging. Seems strange to be saying that about an Apple originated program.

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 31, 2012, 06:44 AM »

Neither Black Hole Organizer nor Aml Pages are in anything like the same class as UR, but they share a feature obligate mouse jockeys might like.  Both have a floating drag-and-drop target.  You mark a block with your mouse and drag it onto the target, when the program automatically creates a new note.  Aml Pages includes the URL, BHO doesn't, but BHO stagnated a long time before the new developer took it over.

-rjbull (December 30, 2012, 02:51 PM)

Thanks. I have Aml Pages, purely because the basket seemed like a good idea, but never found it useful enough as a whole to keep on using it.
I vaguely recognise the name BHO from the (very) dim and distant past, but I'm note sure if I have ever used it. I might have another look.
While I have been messing about looking at these programs again, I decided to install the latest version of Zoot (which I don't think I have ever tried before). Seems seriously weird/different and its not obvious exactly how to manage it, but it did save the source of the clip from a file and seems to have a lot of features, and, more importantly, that I can get to grips with using it, even if it will take a lot of effort. I can understand why the trial period lasts 90 days, and I'm not sure that will be quite enough. No idea if there is any sense in the perception, but it felt as if it might be more like IQ than the other progs I have used - I've never been able to get into IQ, but always had a lot of respect for what it seems capable of doing.

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 30, 2012, 07:42 AM »

It is not. C'mon, you make this into a Hobson's choice when it is no such thing! So there are only two alternatives? What makes that "realistic"?

-J-Mac (December 30, 2012, 05:56 AM)

I think it is. He suspended development in Oct 2008 because of weak sales.
v4 upgrade was released 2009 bringing W7 compatibility & a small number of other enhancements (none of which have made much difference to me). v5 this year, W8 compatibility and very few other improvements.
Really active development is clearly contingent upon sales and sales forecasts, and hasn't happened since 2008. I am really glad he is doing enough to keep the product viable, but equally won't spend anything on an upgrade unless it is going to benefit me to the extent of the cost.

If there were something better out there, then I would think everyone would move to it. As it is, I think a number of people have convinced themselves that other products are better purely because they are pissed off with Kinook or worry about the lack of development rather than its actual functionality. For me, the big limit on its value has always been the way it ties in to MS progs, which I prefer not to do - but I still don't see a clearly better alternative.

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 30, 2012, 05:45 AM »

I agree with applauding a developer for supporting a new OS, but not quite to the tune of $50 for a no-new-features upgrade! Just can't do it!

-J-Mac (December 29, 2012, 09:39 PM)

You would prefer the alternative that he didn't offer the update at all - realistically that is the alternative?

I often prefer programs and upgrades & updates to be cheaper than they are. If they are not cheap enough I don't buy them.

I can understand that you may think the upgrade is poor value. Not many 'improvements' for the number of dollars. But I've quite often bought an apparently better value upgrade, but then found I have never ever used one of the new features. If you need the ability to work with W8, I think you would probably find it was worth $50. New buyers still get the prog for the basic price. I don't think there will be a huge number of takers for the upgrade, so I don't think it will prove a super-profitable exercise for him.

I would really prefer that the program were popular and still actively developed, but I don't think that programs like these are the way that the market is moving. Developers everywhere are aping Apple or apping iOS, because that is where they think the money is. Programs are dumber but prettier and it is simpler to see what to do. The antithesis of UR really.

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 29, 2012, 08:34 PM »

I was using UR-Pro for a few years but I was getting really aggravated about a couple things. For one, capturing web pages - it works great, and then it doesn’t. And when it doesn’t it really doesn’t, in a big way! And requests for help, while not going unanswered, don’t get me anywhere. Also, MS Office docs will open internally just fine... and then they stop and insist on opening externally in the relevant Office programs. Then I must go through re-doing the registry changes recommended by Kinook and revamping all my UR settings - usually ending up where I started - and the last time it happened it never did get back to opening documents internally. Kyle just doesn’t seem as committed to customer support as he once was.

Oh, yes - and then there was the upgrade to version 5, which turned out to be not a major upgrade after all. No new features, no bug fixes. Just wants folks to pay to continue using UR as it is.

-J-Mac (December 29, 2012, 11:00 AM)

I've not been able to get UR to work with MS Office docs running internally on my current computer (W7 64 bit; UR4). I agree about the aggravation that the previously excellent support appears to have gone. Doesn't bother me directly, as I never get in touch with support on any software  - either I can see how to make it work, or I don't use that function - but indirectly it does because I make substantial use of any tips etc available on the forums.

I've not had a problem with clipping - but for the times I did, I would just use another way of getting it. My life's too short to try to track down something that seems to vary so much from page to page and over time as web technologies change. For me the big issue was always that it didn't clip pages from Opera, but the ability to store all entries on the clipboard wasn't too bad an alternative (as it is with TreeDBNotes).

I don't have a problem with the upgrade price for UR5. He specifically said the was discontinuing development a few years ago, changed his mind, to an extent, and has since just provided a path for people who upgrade their OS. I applaud that; takes away the feeling that it is an urgent matter to find an alternative. I don't expect to upgrade myself, as I never expect to install W8 on anything (I didn't get ME or Vista either) and I made sure I had enough full retail versions of W7 when it came out so that I could put it on any new hardware and not get stuck with its replacement. I suspect the much reduced development and support is because UR no longer really pays enough to warrant more (even with his upgrade pricing); presumably also the reason for so many of the similar programs also hibernating.

The other general comment I'd make about it is that it is getting to be quite an old fashioned interface, and was already very techie; I'm not a coder but I would think it would take quite a lot of work to rewrite that for such a complex program with so many functions. And the previous binding with MS progs, looks increasingly hard to maintain (and with less reward) as they keep changing their progs and their usage is less prevalent except in the office (& education).

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 29, 2012, 08:11 PM »

I feel that UR is still better than MyInfo, even if MyInfo has improved (and it does have its note pane for clips from other applications).

Where is the Notes pane for other applications in MyInfo?       I can't find it and I have really, really looked for it!

-J-Mac (December 29, 2012, 11:00 AM)

Sorry, I'd meant that UR has the note pane, when MyInfo doesn't.

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 29, 2012, 08:08 PM »

Just a quick note to say that I'm very happy with Scrivener as a notetaker.
In linux

-urlwolf (December 29, 2012, 01:25 PM)

I've been looking at Scrivener, but it doesn't do clipping does it? Even on the Mac, it seems quite long-winded from what I have read. And it isn't good to store lots of info long term - reports suggest it getting bogged down before 1GB (not sure how others would stack up on that though).

I do like the corkboard view though. Though much better on the Mac where the notes can be placed anywhere, including overlapping each other. Slightly tempted with the apparent demise of Liquid Story Binder development (such a familiar story with so many of these programs).

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 29, 2012, 06:14 AM »

BTW, where is the Note pane for RN? I don’t see one at all. There is a "Scratch" pane but whatever you enter there shows for all captures. Not sure what use that has.

-J-Mac (December 28, 2012, 10:09 PM)

dk about a note pane, but you can add notes to a webclip by toggling edit mode.

I am running RightNote Pro and MyInfo concurrently. ... RN still misses on more than a few pages, either claims that it cannot capture that page or it just muddles it up when it tries. Also takes significantly longer than MyInfo. MyInfo has captured just about everything I have thrown at it.

-J-Mac (December 28, 2012, 10:09 PM)

I tried MyInfo after seeing a number of people say it had overtaken Ultra Recall, but haven't seen anything in it to confirm that view. MyInfo does not have an addon to clip from Opera, and the other methods are rather tedious. The thing I will say about RN is that it does clip from Opera, not always reliably I agree. I feel that UR is still better than MyInfo, even if MyInfo has improved (and it does have its note pane for clips from other applications).

I'm still not sure what I will do about whole page webclips. RN works okay for when I am casually browsing using Opera - but so does Evernote - and for highly targetted browsing I could easily enough use FF or ie and then use UR. Evernote looks increasingly ubiquitous; lots of ways of putting stuff in, such as the little click.to app. For clips from webpages, there are lots of ways of doing it and I'm likely to just use a program I already use. Haven't really decided about CintaNotes or whether I will use a clipboard manager (ClipMate, Ditto, CH+S etc) more systematically for longer term, info storing clips.

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 27, 2012, 07:24 PM »

I've been continuing my examination of RightNote & TreeDBNotes clipping abilities.

RightNote is clearly better at clipping webpages. Keeps a record of the source, can clip (I think it actually downloads) whole webpages, and the formatting is pretty good. But it does not keep a record of the source files when clipping sections from files and having to use the hotkeys to do any clipping, is pretty tiresome, when I'm just browsing or reading by using the mouse. So far I have failed to get the screen capture to work; I can identify the area to clip but nothing saves.

TreeDBNotes has a button which will turn on the ability to save each item going into the clipboard into a new note as well as a screen capture that does work for me. Doesn't save the sources at all. Easy enough to get around - just give a note to each file that is being clipped from, and the clips will be saved as subnotes under it.

They'd both be more useful if they would record the source of all clips. CintaNotes is an example to both of them for that.

In terms of practical use for me, I can't say that one is better than the other for clipping. It depends on what I am doing. These abilities seem to play into the strengths of both, RightNote for storing info & TreeDBNotes for using info. Overall, TreeDBNotes has far more features than RightNote.

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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: Tab Launcher 1.0.0.0

« on: December 26, 2012, 04:32 PM »

I still use Circle Dock.

For me the killer ability is to have it launch where my mouse is. I have one of my mouse buttons allocated to it and this means very little movement is needed to launch programs. When you have a large screen, bumping the edge feels totally bad ergonomically, when it is not really needed. One reason why I like extensive right-click menus.

It is also portable, which I prefer.

PS The version I downloaded from the link on your site was 0.0.3.2. The About button will bring up the option to download 1.0.0.0 which takes you to a GoogleDrive. I downloaded and installed from there and it still said 0.0.3.2. It also does not lookup the installation folder of the previously installed version.

PPS I've not really played any more with it because I'm not really likely to use a launcher that doesn't come to my mouse and isn't portable. Otherwise seems quite neat.

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Living Room / Re: Poll: Is donationcoder an iOS unfriendly environment?

« on: December 14, 2012, 12:18 PM »

However, recently I've been thinking a lot about DC needing to be reinvigorated and revitalized, and I've been considering all sorts of possibilities, including having areas focused on Linux, Mobile, Web (Android, iOs), Mac, etc.  That's surely for another discussion thread and not this one, but thought it was worth a mention.

-mouser (December 13, 2012, 11:58 PM)

Breaking things out by major OS (Windows/OSX and iOS/*NIX) plus a catchall for 'other mobile' (Andriod/WebOS/etc) would make good sense.

-40hz (December 14, 2012, 07:07 AM)

I quite like and dislike this idea all at the same time. I like the way everything is split at the moment, and would look at less if it were all tucked away in separate discussion. What I'd really like to see would be tags   or filters. So we could look at topics by OS if we wanted and it would just show the relevant topics within the forum we are currently browsing.

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Living Room / Re: Opinions sought on the HTC One X (or other non-iOS smartphone)

« on: December 13, 2012, 02:45 AM »

So far I like what I'm hearing about the HTC One X.

Anybody here use one?

-40hz (December 12, 2012, 08:30 PM)

I have a One X and really like it. Chose it over the Samsung S3 (virtually same price). If I were looking now, I's also look at the Note 2.

Not sure what I can say about it. None of the concerns raised in initial reviews have been an issue at all and the strong points mentioned have been excellent.

Can't compare it with iOS as I've refused to have anything to do with any Apple product for 25 years or so.

Let me know if you have a specific question.

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 12, 2012, 06:48 PM »

tranglos says (somewhere on DC) that he finds it necessary to have the hierarchical tree, that (from memory) he's uncomfortable leaving organisation solely to tags.  I'm not sure.  I don't use tags religiously and wouldn't want a system that enforced them, but I do sometimes add words to a note so it contains the form of words I'm most likely to use myself.

-rjbull (December 12, 2012, 03:30 PM)

That is why tags are 'ok' for personal use not for something blog posts. You may be able to train your own mind to make tags intuitive and meaningful for you. I find I use them sometimes but I think the best approach is to make the title of a node, note, etc. meaningful and give clues as to contents. One thing I like about All My Organizer for example is that you can see previews of child nodes/'folders' contents when a parent is selected. I believe Evernote is the same (?)

-rgdot (December 12, 2012, 05:10 PM)

Exactly. Conceptually, hierarchical tags can be used in exactly the same way as folders - Folder 1 containing 1a, 1b etc & 1b containing 1b2 1b2 etc. The difference is that with folders there is is a folder tree available to view at all times and in a set order. If a prog allows you to see the tag trees, then they can be used the same way and each file/note can be in as many folders as you choose.

And, yes, Evernote allows you to see the tag tree on the left exactly as you would with folders - so you can see all the tags at once if you wish (and have a screen large enough) - and shows you a thumbnail view of the content of each note.

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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: SilverNote

« on: December 11, 2012, 10:00 PM »

Web clipping.
I can copy and paste text or an image.
I can drag and drop text or an image.

It would be useful to collect both text and image data together.

-cranioscopical (September 12, 2012, 01:59 PM)

I've not really tested this out, but I've found that I can drag and drop both text and images together from Chrome. But its only text from Opera unless I explicitly use the Copy Image line - the images seem to be selected but don't get dropped. I've not looked at FF or ie. This sort of webclipping seems to vary a lot in effectiveness between the different progs and the different browsers (dragging and dropping into TreeDBNotes never seems to bring images either from Opera or Chrome),

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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: SilverNote

« on: December 11, 2012, 09:24 PM »

I'd like more options ...I would also want a portable option. And a folder tree (with a button to hide the panel).

-Dormouse (December 11, 2012, 04:17 PM)

I think I might have changed my mind about what I would like in the app, with exception of portability.

It's not that I don't want the other features, it is about trying to see the USP for SilverNote against all the others. One is the drawing tools.

But the other is that it is a program for making and keeping real notes. It is light and feature-lite, except that almost anything you want to make a note of, can be shoved in quickly. It is not a text editor/writing program. It is not an outliner. It is not a place to store and organise lots of info. It could develop in any of those directions, but it could lose its simplicity as a note taker if it added too many features or beefed up any of the well developed functions in other programs so that it competed with them directly. So, I'd like the features I mentioned but I would most want it to retain its USPs.

And after using programs like this for many years (and hordes of drawing apps), I had never realised how much I would use the possibility of using them for more visual things in one of them. But now I can see that I would and lots of things I would have used it for, if I had had it before.

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Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: SilverNote

« on: December 11, 2012, 04:17 PM »

I hadn't noticed the thread before reading robinsiebler's post, but this does look like the start of a nice little app.

I haven't seen the drawing options in an app of this sort before. I think they could be very useful, especially with the squared paper. I'd like more options (eg a partial eraser that will delete part of an object or line rather than deleting the whole object, filling a hand drawn object, using a pattern/image as a fill etc - all conventional stuff).

I would also want a portable option.
And a folder tree (with a button to hide the panel). Hierarchical tags aren't quite the same: if you can't see the whole thing laid out it is hard to shuffle the order, and there is no set pattern for tags because the hierarchies can overlap (would only work if you could see them in as many dimensions as your hierarchies).

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Screenshot Captor / Re: Feature request: sticky capture

« on: December 11, 2012, 03:56 PM »

I'd second it as a good idea. I don't think any of the capture apps I use, can do this and it is definitely something I would use if they did.

Though I've just realised I can achieve the same effect by using a Note app (eg TreeDBNotes, SilverNote) to take the screenshot and then view those notes in external windows.

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General Software Discussion / Re: What Android Apps Do You Use?

« on: December 09, 2012, 07:34 PM »

My Installed Android Apps
....

-cmpm (December 09, 2012, 06:21 PM)

Are you going to review them all for us?   

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 09, 2012, 07:32 PM »

This is where we differ, as I'm primarily concerned with keeping Web clips, plus my own text notes, in one convenient program with good searching.  I've never tried a modern Windows PIM/outliner for content creation.

-rjbull (December 09, 2012, 05:19 PM)

And the difference in basic functions is one of the things that is most confusing this genre (as identified by Superboyac when he started this thread). There are programs like PageFour which are purely simple writing & outlining programs and others which are primarily large integrated databases of collected content (MyBase, Surfulater). The discussion in this thread moved very quickly to the database end of things, but I'm not sure what the hierarchical note structure brings to that party once you have the different concept of hierarchical tags but is always important in writing.

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 09, 2012, 07:10 PM »

This is where we differ, as I'm primarily concerned with keeping Web clips, plus my own text notes, in one convenient program with good searching.  I've never tried a modern Windows PIM/outliner for content creation. 

-rjbull (December 09, 2012, 05:19 PM)

As I said originally, I use TreeDBNotes primarily for writing and don't clip anything into it; I rarely attach files either. I like the freedom to organise and reorganise (outlining is really good for this) and having a lot of the things I write in one easy to access place. And I find it much more intuitive with access to commands than the alternatives (remembering that I hate using hotkeys). I can see that you have to like hotkeys if you are used to WordStar and derivatives. I couldn't wait to get away from them (& the mainframe equivalents) - I loved the whole GUI phenomenon from the moment I saw Lisa (and stayed away from IBM & MS machines as much as I could until Win 95 appeared).

I've also been tempted back into using Ultra Recall more since trying Rightnote, and it does do a lot of things pretty well; quite a number of similarities with Rightnote, all in Ultra Recall's favour with exception of the Opera clipping. But Rightnote still seems to be progressing while UR seems not to be.

-Dormouse (December 07, 2012, 06:40 PM)

I've seen the comment that UR's interface is confusing, but suspect that familiarity plays a big part.  I have to say I haven't used click.to myself, but, could you get UR to clip from Opera by using click.to as a helper app?  The author of All My Notes Organizer has used this approach instead of adding web clip hotkeys or actions in his own program.  Details here: Integrate AllMyNotes to work with click.to [web-clipping].  Maybe something similar might work for UR.

-rjbull (December 09, 2012, 05:19 PM)

I quite like UR's interface, complex as it is; it's the tie in with MS programs that puts me off the most. And I love the multi panes. Both it and RightNote work fine to store files & webpages, and I'm happy enough storing info in a different prog from the one I am writing in - it is as easy to switch between programs as it is to switch focus within a program and with sufficient monitor(s) space everything is visible all the time, so that is OK. And I use EverNote  for an increasing host of other stuff.

I hadn't heard of click.to but had a look when I saw this. I wasn't clear about exactly what it does & didn't see references to clipping full web pages, let alone how to send them to new notes in something like UR - I uninstalled it pretty quickly - and it is interesting how much extra rubbish had to be cleared up once it had been uninstalled. In practice, I remain happy with ClipMate for ordinary clipping (despite development stopping) and SnagIt for regions and windows.

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 07, 2012, 06:40 PM »

Have you checked the Free version lately?  Their TreeDBNotes FREE vs PRO - Feature CompareTreeDBNotes FREE vs PRO - Feature Compare chart left me slightly puzzled.  The headings are Free, Free registered, and Pro.  It lists far more features for Free registered than vanilla Free.  I thought, oh, they're offering a free registration to unlock extra features and get you on their mailing list, an uncommon ploy but not unknown.  But if you look at their Buy Now page and scroll down to TreeDBNotes (Free), it gives different purchase prices for personal and business use.  I don't have any problem with a single .EXE being a basic Free version on its own and more advanced Standard version on being unlocked, but I don't think they should still advertise the Standard version as Free when it's payware.  Maybe they just forgot to change the name?

-rjbull (December 07, 2012, 03:20 PM)

I'd agree about the confusion between Free Registered (that they charge for) and Free and it would be better if the Registered version was just called Standard. But, in terms of features, nearly all the features that the registered version has that the free version hasn't are not to do with the actual text editing functions. When I used the free version, I never felt the slightest need to upgrade, and only upgraded to the Pro version on a BdJ offer because I felt it would be good to pay something for a program that I used regularly. And that would still be true now.

I don't much care for the e-book Help file, either, especially as the Ctrl+G global search doesn't work, and it seems a bit thin on real information.  I couldn't see anything about Web clipping in the sense that EverNote, RightNote, UR etc. do.

-rjbull (December 07, 2012, 03:20 PM)

I don't used keyboard shortcuts, so I hadn't noticed that - I also tend not to use Help files. What it does have is a lot of options on the menus (top & right click), so I have always found it very easy to explore the possibilities of the program. Depends how you do things, which is one of the reasons I think these programs are very subject to personal preference.

Yes, I don't think it does web clipping in the way those other programs do. The clipping it does do, is just the usual sort of screen shots, images, text etc but it does work and is integrated in the program. Web clipping is more of an archive/PIM thing - and as I said, it claims to be a PIM, but I've never seen it as one, and feel it is just a (very good) text editor.

I've used Rightnote a bit more now, and am struggling to find anything I can use it for apart from the clipping from Opera; tiny spreadsheet tables seems to be the only other thing and I don't know how much I would want to use that. Just seems less good generally, and less suiting my way of working, than the other programs I have. I've also been tempted back into using Ultra Recall more since trying Rightnote, and it does do a lot of things pretty well; quite a number of similarities with Rightnote, all in Ultra Recall's favour with exception of the Opera clipping. But Rightnote still seems to be progressing while UR seems not to be.

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 03, 2012, 01:47 AM »

I use Evernote and Simplenote/Resophnote/everything that syncs with simplenote.  I guess it really is a matter of what you need and your priorities, and since Syncing across platforms is my number one priority, those are the ones that I continue to go back to.

-wraith808 (December 03, 2012, 01:10 AM)

I agree with that; it is very much about individual need and preference.
I was intrigued by your using Simplenote. Why do you use that as well as Evernote?

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General Software Discussion / Re: General brainstorming for Note-taking software

« on: December 02, 2012, 06:06 PM »

@Dormouse
Windows word processors seem to lean too much towards desktop publishing rather than efficient text creation and editing. 

-rjbull (December 02, 2012, 03:07 PM)

Agree completely.

I too use several programs, never finding one I was happy to commit to exclusively.  My usage is mostly data storage, especially of web clips, for which EverNote 2.2 is very good, especially when you need graphics and live hyperlinks.

-rjbull (December 02, 2012, 03:07 PM)

Yes, Evernote 2.2 remains a good program.
And when you wish it weren't orphaned, it is quite conspicuous how few of the programs in this sector are being actively developed - a minority of those I use.

I was interested in your use of TreeDBNotes for writing, and wondered if you'd ideally have preferred a single-pane outliner like Noteliner?  Which seems a more natural way to operate than two-pane?

-rjbull (December 02, 2012, 03:07 PM)

Thanks, I hadn't come across it. I've had a quick look and don't think it's for me. I'm usually working on many things at once, and I do need to bring in external documents as well. And I like a very rich environment in terms of buttons, because I'm far happier using the mouse than the keyboard - which I only need for typing; and I don't even need it much for that if I'm dictating direct. And TreeDBNotes gives me a large single pane for when I do purely want to concentrate on one thing.

I actually like lots of panes generally. When I use Ultra Recall, I have all the panes open nearly all the time and I like Shellless Explorer and Q-Dir because they have more panes than Dopus or XY, even though they have less power.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Pirate Software Dilemma

« on: December 02, 2012, 03:43 AM »

Now let's take Evernote.  Once had a snappy, portable version and everything.  Not anymore.  Think that pleased the hardcore users?  However, it sure benefits them to move to the cloud.  Not that the product is bad or anything, but the history of events made me lose my trust a little with them.  They also made it harder to get the data out of evernote and into other things.  So would I pay for it again?  probably not, unless my back was up against the wall.  And they should pay that price.  But they won't because I'm in the severe minority.

-superboyac (December 01, 2012, 11:31 PM)

OTT, but I think this is somewhat unfair on Evernote.
The company was taken over and the new owners explicitly rebuilt the software so it could work in the cloud. Looks like a good call, given the the increase in their userbase and the effective demise of many of their previous competitors who stayed as they were. And, unlike the previous owners who sold out, they aren't asking you to pay - they offer it entirely free unless you do want to use the cloud sync for more than 60MB a month.
And, if you want it entirely portable, you can go HERE. btw, Evernote don't recommend working it off a flash drive because of the risk of database corruption.