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Post New Requests Here / Re: REQ: CLI : basically unzip + run PDFTextChecker and move resulting files

« on: November 14, 2019, 12:43 PM »

Then I use ABBYY Finereader 12 Corporate (not the last version which limits the number of page you can OCR per month !) which does an OCR automatically every day of "folder2" (be careful if you follow this process as it sometimes delete pdf files without warnings! So use the options to keep original files in a separated folder! Then at the end of the month I use manually the freeware "pathsync"(https://www.cockos.com/pathsync/)  to check differences and find those Finereader bugs!)

-jity2 (November 14, 2019, 02:41 AM)

why is there a limit?  i thought finereader is just a local windows software.  why would there be a monthly limit?  is there a subscription that goes along with it?  I don't remember this at all with finereader, but I haven't looked at it for like 10 years maybe.

I'm thinking of gettng X1 search or something to easily search through documents with full fidelity.  I have archivarius right now, but i wish the output would be a little more fancy than plain text.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 13, 2019, 12:15 PM »

I find it interesting that plain text / markdown solutions like Zettlr keep the files in a database.
WriteMonkey is the same (though documents can be bound to a file).
When I look at WM3 it seems to have all the features required for a zettelkasten, but I've never seen it mentioned in that context. Though it's very rarely mentioned in lists of markdown editors either.

I'm noticing that different types of notes may have different and predictable structures. Vacillating between using templates and autotext insert.

-Dormouse (November 10, 2019, 06:02 AM)

what do you mean by this?  zettlr keeps the files just regular text files in whatever folder you like.  you just open the file or folder.  it has a database maybe for the program itself, but the files are all text files.  the only thing the program seems to do is look for the ID somewhere in the filename or actual file itself.  Is that what you are thinking too?

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 12, 2019, 02:40 PM »

There could be a photo of a sheep in a field.
A very small child might think nice furry animal.
A slightly older child might think Shaun!
A butcher might think ready soon.
A farmer might think selenium deficiency? (mostly noticing the lush grass).
A thought is a single focus for what was in the mind. More foci simply means extra notes.
There's no reason to push yourself to have all the thoughts you might possibly have unless doing that is your purpose.
Revisiting the note or topic and adding new notes with new thoughts when there's a reason to is sufficient.

-Dormouse (November 08, 2019, 11:35 AM)

thanks, that was a helpful example.  man.  i am way too single minded, or literal.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 07, 2019, 11:56 AM »

I'm just going to start this.  I can feel myself going through paralysis-by-analysis.  I promised myself to move on when that happens.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 06, 2019, 06:25 PM »

I'll be happy to show samples in five years time

-Dormouse (November 06, 2019, 04:37 PM)

/donationcoder_alarm: set-for-time_5y

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 06, 2019, 03:55 PM »

you know what i want to see now?  just examples of other people's zettels...

I'm reading all these theories and recommendations, pages and pages....I just want to see samples.  If i can see what makes a single thought, and a bunch of them, to see how it all ties together, that would be way more helpful than all this theory.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Laggy window resizing/dragging in Windows 10

« on: November 06, 2019, 12:18 PM »

Assuming all drivers are up to date,
Might it be related to a 4k monitor on less than 60Hz refresh? That usually only gives display-lag, not Windows-lag, but it might be of influence

Do you have the Logitech mouse software installed? It might help to uninstall that (with reboot after), as it has repeatedly caused issues like you mention, in the past.

Also some antivirus software (I'm looking at you Avast ) can cause 'lagginess' when dragging Windows around.

-Ath (November 06, 2019, 01:05 AM)

ok, i will try these suggestions

I did notice that my monitor was running at 59Hz in the settings instead of 60Hz.  I was wondering if that mattered.  It's a drop down that i can choose between 59 and 60.

I wonder if i use a PS/2 adapter and plug the mouse in there if it makes a difference.

I am running on 3 monitors.  But even so, that shouldn't be a problem the computer is very powerful and GPU never goes much past 10%.

No 4k monitors.  Two monitors at 1900x1200, and one 1080p.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 05, 2019, 05:05 PM »

I feel im doing it wrong.  I think im doing more than one thought.  maybe multiple thoughts.  so mentally, i still feel i am not getting it, lol.

-superboyac (November 05, 2019, 02:48 PM)

I don't know that you're doing anything wrong, except being too wordy. It is hard.

• It will probably be easier when you are more used to it.
• It will probably be easier when you already have an extensive network and are starting with an idea about the thoughts and where they would fit.
• But part of the difficulty, I suspect, is making your thoughts tight and precise. I'm not sure how much easier that can get because it does involve intense thinking.

My guess is that what you have done,so far, is what I have been calling first stage notes. I think you need a gap before going over them (iirc, Ahrens said that Luhmann went through them in the evening). At that point you need to split them into their constituent parts and then write new notes carefully, one thought to a note. There may be a sequence to these thoughts (in which case there's a parent-child sequence) and they will all link to your first note.

When I look at posts on zettelkasten.de, I can't avoid the suspicion that most of them aren't doing it right. Too much linking, too many notes, not enough thinking. Luhmann's main (second) zettelkasten was started 1963 and stopped in 1997: that's 34 years. It has 67,000 cards in one, admittedly wide ranging, area of interest. Less than 2000 cards a year. Assuming 250 working days, he averaged 8 cards a day. Eight thoughts that he decided to record. If he was doing a lot of other things, then maybe one thought every half hour. The thinking isn't easy, achieving the precision isn't easy. There's disentangling the thoughts from each other. And composing the words.

-Dormouse (November 05, 2019, 04:37 PM)

Ah!  yes that makes sense.  I can see how this can drastically help not only my thinking, but effective writing.  very cool.  I am rather excited about this.

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General Software Discussion / Laggy window resizing/dragging in Windows 10

« on: November 05, 2019, 04:11 PM »

Anyone have tips for this?
I just built a new computer, super duper powerful.
Windows 10, when i move windows or resize them, the windows take so long (1-2s) to catch up to the mouse.  It's crazy.  Performance is fine, none of the gpu, cpu, ram ever goes past 10%, it is an overpowered computer.

Looking online, the problem seems to be high polling rate of USB mice.  I have a logitech g502, which is a gaming mouse, and can poll at up to 5000hz.  so they say lower it to 125.  fine, that helps a little, but not entirely.  What the hell?

Have not found other solutions.  Many people are complaining specifically about Excel, which is the worst, but i get it for all windows.  Some windows are faster than others, like Electron app windows, but still laggy.  At work, where i have a cheap computer and laptop, the response is perfect!  (except for excel).  I don't understand at all.

I can post a gif or video if it helps.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 05, 2019, 02:48 PM »

so i just tried doing this...

i had a quote i wanted to address.
I start the note, put the quote.  then i proceed to write all my thoughts on this.  It was a lot, lol.  way more than lurman would put on a note card.  I feel im doing it wrong.  I think im doing more than one thought.  maybe multiple thoughts.  so mentally, i still feel i am not getting it, lol.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 05, 2019, 12:13 PM »

when you talk about Sources...
do you mean that, like if its a pdf, the ENTIRE thing is in sources?  or just a reference to it?  or just quotes or tidbits?

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 04, 2019, 12:43 PM »

Does it mean that it uses the ID to find the file, but doesn't display it?

-Dormouse (November 04, 2019, 12:08 PM)

I just discovered the answer.  When you have a note file in zettlr, it is looking for that ID pattern to generate the internal db ID.  So usually it is created automatically when the note is created.  However, you can override that and type something else for the file name, like just words, and then there is no id number.  When that happens, zettlr doesn't know or have an ID for that.  So what the instruction is saying is to have that 14-digit number somewhere, either the filename or the first thing in the actual file content, so that it detects the ID.  I just tried it...what happens is if i remove the number from the note AND the filename, the ID of the note disappears in zettlr.   it doesn't know.  when i add the ID to the note, first line, and leave the filename still only words, zettlr gets the ID instantly.  so it is looking to match that pattern.

So what I'm going to do is put the ID as the first line of all my notes, but not the title, because i'd rather have something descriptive in the title.

here is what i'm talking about:

the first not, i have the ID in the filename, i have the ID in the actual note, and the ID in the program zettlr (gray) is shown.  ID's all over the place
the second one, i have the ID in the filename, no other title in the filename, and the note is blank.  the program detects the ID from the filename
in the third one (test note 123), i have the ID as the first line of the actual note, but not in the filename.  this gets detected right away.  so i like this.  I don't have to have the ID in the filename itself, so the filename can be just the title, which is nice.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 04, 2019, 11:48 AM »

I am having a hard time understanding what this means (from Zettlr documentation):

The ID RegEx
Zettlr uses regular expressions internally to filter out the ID of a file. It looks for that pattern, and if it finds a string that matches this pattern, it assumes that as the ID of the file. Please note that the first match in a file will be assumed the ID, never the last! This means: If you choose to use only four digits as your ID, the regular expression would also match years inside your file. As Zettlr simply takes the first ID, make sure that the very first thing in your file is the ID of that file.

This makes it sound like for every note or file i have, the first line of each note should be the 14-digit ID.  But, in all the screenshots of the program, i don't see any note like this.  furthermore, most of the notes in the screenshots have titles without the ID in them, like just plain titles.  A little confused.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 04, 2019, 11:11 AM »

THanks!   
That definitely gets me going.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 03, 2019, 09:02 PM »

ok dormouse, i still kind of want to copy your system as my first attempt....this is what i've gathered:
sources
resources
actual zettl
writing
temp
annotated


these are the folders you have mentioned. 
i get the zettl folder is where the actual real notes go, and its just one. 
writing, i think i understand as where you put things together outside of the "one thought, one note" concept.
temp, this is where you put notes before they are processed with all the proper links and maybe even the kind of writing in your own words that you are supposed to do with zettl.
annoted, not sure....this is where you place notes from the temp folder, kind of a staging area, where you add the links right before moving to the zettl?


cool stuff. thanks.
btw, what kind of file naming scheme do you use?

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 03, 2019, 08:50 PM »

ok some more updates....
this is the developer of zettlr, and a nice video explaining some of the methodology and what dormouse talked about regarding luhman's original system and how technology affects it.
https://www.youtube..../watch?v=c5Tst3-zcWI

-superboyac (November 03, 2019, 03:04 PM)

I watched that video, and came away with the fact that it seems to be a wiki with tags, where the name of the file is the ID.  Is there something more than that I'm missing?

-wraith808 (November 03, 2019, 07:04 PM)

no, i think that's the jist of it.  What i got out of it was that a note can be anything, and the only things to remember are the ID of the note (which doesn't matter since its digital), tags link subjects together, and hard-links are the "zettl" specific links.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten

« on: November 03, 2019, 03:04 PM »

ok some more updates....
this is the developer of zettlr, and a nice video explaining some of the methodology and what dormouse talked about regarding luhman's original system and how technology affects it.
https://www.youtube..../watch?v=c5Tst3-zcWI

now, for creative writing:
since creative writing involves fiction and creating a fake world with all the logic and characters....i feel like for something like that, i need to make a separate folder.  it cant be part of my overall single zettel that i use for actual reality and academic type knowledge.  so i can have on zettel for everything in reality, which will be the big, main database.  but for, say, writing screenplays, i need to use a separate sandbox because i dont need those ideas linking to real world ideas.

so in conclusions:
one zettel/folder for everything in real life
separate zettels for creative writing projects

so i might be leaning towards a multi-folder system like dormouse, but maybe structured my own way.  we'll see.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive

« on: November 01, 2019, 04:44 PM »

Yeah, I like its user interface. It kinda reminds me of doogiePIM but it is opensource.  Out of curiosity, did you look at the others?

-sphere (October 31, 2019, 11:46 PM)

Yes, I looked at all the links posted here.  Zettlr seemed to be the most mature, slickest, and most applicable for zettling lol.
the other ones were decent as well, but i didn't see a reason to pick over zettlr for now.  For example, the first one i tried...zettlr does everything it does and better sort of.  like, the line spacing would be based on the largest header size.  so if your h1 line size was huge, then ALL the line sizes were that big.  so that was a huge readability problem.  i either had to choose NOT to have any large font headers, or be ok with huge line spacing where like 10 lines fit on the screen.  i did not like that.
zettlr does not have this problem and has a similar interface.
the others, just didnt seem as nice.  There was one option there that had a really nice  hierarchy tree in the sidebar.  that looked like it would be better for general notetaking.  but overall, it seemed more geared toward general notes than zettls.
 

I saw a mention somewhere that it does text folding, butt I saw no commands for that.

Seems to me that it accommodates a zettelkasten approach but doesn't structure it, so you would still be on your own for organisation.

-Dormouse (November 01, 2019, 07:03 AM)

yes it does text folding with the headers.  very nice.
it doesn't do anything with organization.  you have to tag yourself, and make links yourself.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive

« on: October 31, 2019, 07:27 PM »

ok...how am i supposed to name the files?
the files seem to start with a 14-digit timestamp, and then what?
20191031103943 (topic number one).md

-superboyac (October 31, 2019, 04:38 PM)

Is that the program?
Luhmann just increased the number by one each time, switching to letters when he forked.
Date/time stamp is just laziness; it's what I'm doing.

Since the date/time stamp is unique, you shouldn't need any other name. But it might be useful to give you some idea what's in the note.

-Dormouse (October 31, 2019, 05:28 PM)

so i don't need to add the note title in my actual filename?  that would be nice, id like to avoid doing that and just let the timestamp cover the filename portion.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive

« on: October 31, 2019, 07:26 PM »

You will know when you need to write one .

Ah!  that does make sense.  ok.  moving on!

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive

« on: October 31, 2019, 04:38 PM »

ok...how am i supposed to name the files?
the files seem to start with a 14-digit timestamp, and then what?
20191031103943 (topic number one).md

thats an example ive seen.

here's a sample note:

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive

« on: October 31, 2019, 04:19 PM »

thanks for the clarifications.
btw, zettlr is very slick.  I really like it.

this will definitely help me with my creative writing.  i did a quick glance at all my notes over the past couple of decades, and most of them have turned out to be useless (sad!!).  this zettel idea of forcing the links and ties between the ideas through manual writing would have been much more productive.

I also like the way you have split up the folders.  I'm going to first try a single zettl, and then i can see using what you are doing OR i can just stick to the single zettl and link to any writing done outside of it.

the thing I'm thinking about now that i read about, is this "entry point" where luuhrman would have an entry point note that links to the rest of that topic, but its a single place that gets you started on it.  can anyone provide examples of this?

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive

« on: October 31, 2019, 01:38 PM »

ok, i'm not going to read the book.  lol.  i just want to quickly learn how the system works.  I'm a little hung up on the one thought one note aspect.

I'm using folders purely as stages or components of the zettel. So I have one for sources. One for resources (stuff I have written myself that's a resource for the writing part - might be a setting). Another for the writing. And then the Notes/zettel itself. One might be about the purpose of a scene. Another might be about the style of dialogue and why. Each new thought has a new note.

yes, this is helpful.  I need some tips on how to begin this.

So you are saying:
sources folder: things you copy/paste?  like, you didnt write it yourself
resources folder: things you write or word yourself, but not the actual script itself
writing folder: these are the parts that end up in the actual script
zettel folder: im not sure about this...like, this is the intense analysis of the ideas for the script?

i dont know if all that makes sense to me yet.  I'll try it and see how it goes.

my initial instinct is to have all the notes in one folder, and let the linking and other content stuff link to the other notes.  but i also like what you are doing with categorizations.  not sure what the categories should be though.

so i just read some more about zettel, and it seems that using a single zettel for everything is recommended.  i'll try that.  and my real practice will be to stick to the one topic, one idea.  i do not yet know how that will turn out as far as a creative writing exercise, but i can see it working.  well...i do like your idea of using maybe a separate folder for writing aspect of it, that is, the final script where i am pulling things together?  i dont know.  but i heard that the zettel inventor would also write a lot of books.  so he must use the zettel to organize his thoughts, but i doubt he was writing the book in the zettel.  so i feel there must be some middleman staging area?  or not!  i should try and see.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive

« on: October 30, 2019, 10:38 PM »

but then, i found this:
https://forum.zettel...imeless-zettelkasten
now this seems cool!!
this is similar to what the mac software "The Archive" which people consider a brilliant zettel software.  so i'm trying this open source windows version and it's FANTASTIC!  so i'll be trying this out for a while.  it's beautiful looking, it is true zettel and files are all text files, and it's fast, and its free and open source, so we can modify it!

-kfitting (October 30, 2019, 04:57 AM)

I have not gone fully down the zettkasten rabbit hole, but I do find myself circling around to it often. I have seen a number of people compare this to https://www.zettlr.com/
As I understand it it uses a graph database, where each item is a container- so rather than emulating a "card" for each thought/note/idea,  it is a container... which makes it more friendly for storing other types of media.  It is opensource with Windows, Mac and Linux versions.

Similar programs I have been intending to look at are https://mindforger.sourceforge.io/ (I believe windows and Linux- though originally just Linux) and also https://github.com/zadam/trilium which is windows.

I personally really like it when there is a way to easily link to email. I can generate an email link, but would rather it was done automatically.

-sphere (October 30, 2019, 07:17 PM)

these are great suggestions.  i am going to try that first one and then the others perhaps.  looks fantastic.

dormouse, thanks for the tips.  it will take me some time to get used to.  ill check out that book, i believe it was the one you guys were referring to earlier in the thread.

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive

« on: October 30, 2019, 05:43 PM »

if this method requires me revisiting notes, and rewriting parts

-superboyac (October 29, 2019, 05:40 PM)

I don't think it requires rewriting notes. A revision would be the result of a new thought. A new thought requires a new note.
Additions to notes, yes, - especially in the way of new links.

Better than versioning really because you have a history of why you have changed your idea.

Of course, I might be wrong about this. But, for me, that's the logic derived from the principles.

-Dormouse (October 29, 2019, 05:55 PM)

ok i am not really understanding completely then.
So Ive started practicing this...i am writing an outline for a screenplay.
so i created the note, a zettel, if you will.
now, i am going to work on the note and finish it.  so now what?  i start typing all over the note, however it makes sense.
i am done for now.

some time passes
now i am ready, to work on that outline a little more.
do i continue working in the note i created previously?  or do i start a new note?  shouldn't i keep working in the first note?