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In addition to my review i tested the a.m. alternatives. Okay i tested only the IE Developer Toolbar as i said i have problems with .NET based programs. Also i don't like the manual way of DOMHelper for installing and de-installing. It is in beta, but for me a little bit too beta.

Going for IE DevToolbar. It is really a nice alternative to PageSpy with some advantages or functions PageSpy can't offer or can be done with IEDevToolbar quicker.

I like the thing, that IEDevToolbar works directly on the page in the browser window. You haven't to switch between different windows. Even if this can be an advantage if you want to have more than one info window for different aspects open. Then PageSpy will come more handy again.

I like really the quick outlining of objects, divs images a.s.o.,  showing its most important values right beside the outline frame, within IEDevToolbar. So you can analyze your Layout very quckly. This function PageSpy is really missing.

I like the ruler and the measure ability of IEDevToolbar. So you can easily measure which amount of pixels or whatsoever you have to correct your layout a.s.o.

And most of all, IEDevToolbar is FREE!

I now use both of them together, PageSpy and IEDevToolbar, which one comes handy for the actual case, as an addition of functionality making the best out for me.

So i think you give IEDevToolbar a try too. As it is free, you have to lose nothing but a small download and a few minutes of time.

Greetings
JoTo

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Site/Forum Features / Re: new forum feature - spoiler tag
« on: March 18, 2006, 04:50 AM »

How many C programmers does it take to change a lightbulb?
Spoiler
Only one.  But nobody else can ever change it again afterwards...


Sorry rjbull, you are really wrong with this.

You need ZERO C-programmers to change a lightbulb.
Why?
It is DEFINITELY a HARDWARE-Problem!


:-))
CU all
JoTo

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No, haven't heard so far from this two tools. PageSpy was the first and only program i heard of.

I'll give both others a try. At least DOMHelper uses .Net Framework, and this means for me it is unusable for the bad coloring. But we'll see, trying doesn't cost anything.

Thanks for pointing this alternatives out.

Greeting
JoTo

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Hi DC-Community,

Foreword:
First, please keep in mind, that this is my very first review at all and
english is not my native language. So if you don't like something, find
some mistakes or have some hints to improve future reviews from me, please
don't hesitate to comment what i can do better next time.

Second, please excuse the strange colors of my screenshots. As a visually
impaired person i must use a black background with bright foreground colors.
But PageSpy is so flexible, that it works with all color combinations and
the syntax coloring is customizable too. So please look at my screenshots
but imagine, that they look on your computer just like you expect it they
should do.

But now let's go for the main thing. The mini-Review!

Introduction:

I am developing a web application (a game) that use partially page updates
via the asynchronous AJAX technology. The problem was, that this kind of
software is not easy to debug and troubleshoot. The page content will
change only in parts without reloading the full page. And if something went
wrong, you don't easy know what and why it fails. If you reload the whole
page, you can use the "View Source" feature of your browser. But this won't
work with this kind of technology. You ever only see the initial loaded
source of the page and not the actual updated state of the objects in it.

This was the main reason for my interest in PageSpy, when i stumbled over
this program on the DonationCoder DiscountPage (https://www.donationcoder.com/Discounts/index.html).
So i don't think a long time, went to the homepage (http://www.sembel.net),
downloaded the trial version, installed it and ... was impressed how handy,
also in other aspects, this program is.

So what in detail can PageSpy do for you?

DHTML and HTML View:
As i said earlier, PageSpy is able to give you many different and very
clearly organized views of any HTML-Page showing up in your browser.

PageSpy integrates in the contextmenu of your browser. So you activate it
with a right mouseclick on the page or object your are interested in, and
selecting the PageSpy-Entry. As you rightclicked somewhere on the page,
PageSpy remembers on which object you've clicked. So in the DHTML-View the
corresponding lines in the code is automatically highlighted for quick
finding.

The HTML-View of PageSpy is the equivalent of your browsers normal
"View Source" feature. The DHTML-View is the view generated from the actual
DOM-Model objects of the page, representing the real actual state of the
page objects and not the state when the page is loaded.

On the next two screenshots you'll see my page in my AJAX project. First in
HTML-View, that represents the exact HTML-File on my webserver as it is
transmitted when first loading the page in the clients browser. Second
in the DHTML-View after AJAX has updated some single Objects in my page.
Note the differences in the img src="" tags that are "dummy" in the original
source and later updated to real URIs from AJAX.

The DHTML-Source is automatically highlighted by PageSpy in fact of my
clicked object and i have highlighted the corresponding part in the
HTML-View manually for your convinience.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/4710/pagespy02source1bu.png

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7150/pagespy01dhtml0vr.png


Cookies:
It can show you the saved cookies for this site and the stored information
within them. In my case i use the cookie for session tracking while the game
is running.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5507/pagespy03cookie6ir.png


Querystring:
It can show you the actual Query of this pageurl with all parameters and let
you change, delete and add some or all of them on the fly. As i don't use
a querystring in my AJAX-Project, i show you in the screenshot a sample
of a Google-Search page, searching for "Donationcoder".

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9576/pagespy04query0ap.png


Forms:
It show you all forms in the page with all fields in it incl. detailed
descriptions of all properties and a preview for every field. Again, as i
don't use forms in my AJAX-Project, i've taken the screenshot from another
project of mine. It contains a "Joining"-Form for a course for maritime
radio operations (GMDSS) in which i teach peoples how to use it correctly.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7855/pagespy05form4ef.png


This:
In the "this"-Tab you can easily and quickly explore all attributes and
values, inclusive prewiew, of the actual clicked DOM-Object in the page.
It's a comfortable way to get where you want, whithout the need to browse
through the whole DOM-Tree, which is of course also possible (see below).

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3793/pagespy06this7sv.png


DOM:
Of course you can browse the whole DOM-Tree by hand beginning from
the root to every deepest object. All objects are shown with all properties
and values and their accesspath within the DOM-Tree for later use in
Javascript or whatsoever.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9607/pagespy07dom3bi.png


Images:
See a table of all images in the page with all attributes of every picture
incl. URL, width, height and preview.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9405/pagespy08image0nc.png


CSS:
Gives you an overview for all used CSS rules in the page. It shows you a
preview of the used properties (where applicable) and if you expand a
rule in the table, the corresponding CSS-Code is shown directly under the
preview.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6184/pagespy09css7cx.png


Collections:
Here you'll find all external and internal references and used objects in the
page. You can see if there are internal or external stylesheets, internal
or external scripts, used frames, embedded objects, the list of links in the
page or used RSS-Feeds.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1737/pagespy10collection7kb.png


Others:
PageSpy let you execute manually JavaScripts on the page content to see
what happens and has a builtin RegEx-Tester.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8840/pagespy11run4jz.png


Last, PageSpy shows you also the client and server informations. It has
some validator-links right handy on several buttons. So you can check the
validity of the actual page in several checkers with only a mouseclick.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3718/pagespy12info1xe.png


Summary:
The functionality of PageSpy is too big to mention it all here. And i'm sure
i have forgotten something and/or not have digged in deep enough yet. But
even so far as i use PageSpy at the moment, it has become a indespensably
tool for my web developing.

There is a fully functional 30-days trial version available from the a.m.
authors homepage if you want to try PageSpy without any risk. And then you
can purchase a key to register your installed trialware to get a full
time-unlimited version. No need to download or reinstall sth. after that.

The price is IMHO very reasonable for such a good program ($19,95 for a single
user license). And if you decide to purchase before 30th, April 2006, as a
DonationCoder member, you can still get the very generously discount of
50% from the author. Purchasing my license works like charm. Even the
discount was given without any problems. I got my licensekey about 2 minutes
after the purchase.

At the end i must say, that the author is very communicative and kind. As i
mentioned above i need special colors that the actual version of PageSpy
wasn't able to support. But a single eMail to the author with my wish for a
fully configurable syntax coloring, results in a positive answer within a day.
The author agrees to implement a customizing feature for the syntax coloring.
This feature is, while writing this review, not yet implemented in the official
version (not yet fully finished, but will come shortly, said the author),
but i got a pre-release version from the author where i can hack my colors
in (with an XML-Editor) until the comfortable GUI is finished. The custom
syntax coloring works great in this pre-version. So i can pretty good live
with this version. I really appreciate the special-care handling of my
problems from Victor Sembelidis. Thanks here again for this!

Now i must state, that i really like PageSpy and hold it worth the
money, especially when you use the DonationCoder-Discount. BUT I AM NOT
affiliated with the author in any way and i don't get any money for writing
this review or from future sales of PageSpy.

Hope this review will help some people to get their web developing done
faster and easier in the future with PageSpy.

Greetings
JoTo

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Find And Run Robot / Re: All these F+R ideas are wonderful
« on: February 01, 2006, 04:06 AM »
I come to DonationCoder through FARR. It's my most used and helpful DC-App beside the ScreenshotCaptor.

Maybe some Users are not so addicted to FARR because it is a neat, unspectacular, behind the scene, not colorful or graphic impressive application.

The real usefullness of FARR comes in, when you are (as i am) a visually impaired person. Colorful programs with tiny graphics are a no-no for me. But i am fast in typing. So i bet, i am double as fast in getting in my needed programs with FARR as everyone else with every other graphic launchbar.

Sure, i use PowerPro too, to set up some other tasks (keyboard shortcuts, mouse actions, custom menus a.s.o.) as starting applications. So i use a kind of launchbar too, but for starting apps FARR is THE BEST!

There are other appstarter/Hotkey utils out there. Even PowerPro (i use) can of course do this job. But the main difference between them and FARR is, that i never have to think about to add a new installed program to the Hotkey-Utility with FARR. When i install a new program on my machine, normally a startmenue link is installed too. And within this second this new app is accessible automagically via FARR without any further action neccessary. Thats GREAT and makes FARR a standing out in wading through all other zillions of hotkey utilities.

I agree, that in some special situations i use the startmenue as well, when i'm not sure which installed app is the best to use for this or another task. Then i go into my well hierarchical, categorized startmenue to get an overview what is there available. But this is only 5% of all my tasks. Most of all i use some few apps every day and i well know which i want to use for this or that, and then comes in the play the giant FARR! :-)

As i'm happy with FARR as it is, i recently have no suggestion for V2. But i will think again about it. Maybe i'll get a horrible difficult idea to get mouser in sweat for 30 days while  implementing it.  Aaaah, maybe mouser will implent a "serve a cup of coffee, free!"-function in FARR V2. That would be nice. :-))

CU
JoTo

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