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I'm running Sunbelt's VIPRE on four notebooks. It's been very solid under XP 32-bit SP-2 and SP-3, Vista 64 bit SP-1 and SP-2, Vista 32 bit SP-1 (hasn't been updated to SP-3 yet), and Win 2k SP-4.
I'm still using Avast due to its being light, fast, free, & reasonably accurate ... But I have been curious about VIPRE for awhile. How (Um...) "Modular" is it? (To clarify what I'm after) I noticed the free version comes bundled with/includes a firewall (Which aggravates the bloody hell out of me) ... Can it be removed from the package during the install, or does it have to be suffered through and crippled later?

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There is no reason to build a better mouse trap...until the mouse wins ... Tobias is an 800lb Mouse.

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Living Room / Re: poor? Pay up!
« on: May 24, 2009, 01:40 PM »
Hmmm... my definition of rich vs wealthy is not in the amount of money you have, but how you have to work to maintain it.  For example, Shaquille O'Neal is very much rich, but we won't see how wealthy he is until his career is behind him.  Michael Jordan who doesn't have to do anything at this point to maintain his standard of living is wealthy.
Meh... I think one is cause & one is effect ... but yes I do get (and agree with) your point.

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Living Room / Re: poor? Pay up!
« on: May 24, 2009, 10:08 AM »
Hm... Okay, the point-for-point thing is fun, but it makes for a messy post ... so I'll try to do this in a single block without missing anything.

Interesting that you used the term "wealth", that actually jugged my memory on a distinction I'd neglected to make.  Cris Rock, in one of his comedy routines, made an interesting (albeit racial) distinction between "Rich" & "Wealthy" (race removed/not relevant here); Shaquille O'Neil is "Rich", the guy that signs his paycheck is "Wealthy".

Now, that being said, the actual numeric distinction between Middle-Class->Rich->Wealthy is neither known or important to me ... It's all above my pay grade. My boss, the lady that signs my paychecks, is (to the best of my understanding...) upper middle-class/rich I have the utmost respect for her & begrudge her absolutely nothing. However she isn't part of the problem, she is part of the old-school self-made types (that still to this day works on the floor if need be), much like yourself ... which I believe is the nerve I hit... :)


(Side tracking a bit) "Gross" does have 2 definitions ... One of which meaning great, large, or maximum i.e. Gross National Product, Gross Vehicle Weight, Gross Tonnage. It's not just a "Who Farted" thing...


So... back to my ramblings. The actual target of annoyance (and most likely everybody else’s) is somewhere between the upper 1% and the pump-n-dump schlockmeisters that are out to make a quick buck on the bodies of others.
The first group (We'll call them "Old Money") has wealth that probably was honestly earned ... by a relative that died 100 or so years ago. The current cream-of-the-crap however hasn't done an honest day’s work in generations. These are the famous for being famous virtually self proclaimed royalty types like Paris Hilton. Ever hear her ass speak in public? ...My freaking dog is more intelligent then she is!

The 2nd group of useless yahoos is the fresh out of college business majors, which intentionally create flash-in-the-pan companies that are sold off for top dollar (to some unsuspecting hardworking clod) that then tank within a year because the fad they were based around faded. Sure it worked great for the first few time, but too many people tried it too many time and it created a nice maelstrom for a lot of the SMB's to get sucked into. Intelligent? (over farming land, over fishing a pond, beating a dead horse, etc.) I think not. A lot of people are well informed and sound good & convincing … but that’s not the same thing as being intelligent, and nowhere near being wise.

The predatory lending thing is just a buzz-word that the media has shoved up our collective asses, true. But it doesn’t alter the fact that business as usual, the way “we” (as a country) have been conducting it, has to stop before it completely destroys us.  Back in the 40s at the end of the war we gave the Japanese all of the manufacturing paradigms that (our “Great Minds” thought were too much of a hassle to bother with) they then implemented and stomped the crap out of us with. Now we are back pedaling trying to do things “their way” in the sketchy hopes of survival (Does the expression a bit too cocky come to mind?).

I’m not equating rich with bad here … I’m just saying if the shoe fits…

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Living Room / Re: poor? Pay up!
« on: May 23, 2009, 11:38 PM »
So, the summation is that generally, the rich are people of intellegence, wisdom and drive and generally, the poor are those that lack these qualities.  There is a direct law of cause and effect at work here.
-CodeTRUCKER (May 23, 2009, 04:19 PM)
That's a fairly gross generalization. Rich people know how to make money, but that doesn't directly equate to intelligence ... Exhibit A: our current economy brought to you on a silver toilet lid...curtasy of "the rich". Wisdom? Please... (pontificating doesn't count, see exhibit A). Drive? Intrepid is one thing, greed is quite another.

Regardless of the sphere, we will always have the rich because someone had the pluck to take a risk and convert energy to improvement. We will always have the poor because someone was content to remain in their mediocrity (but if that one is happy, more power to 'em :up:).
Really? then why were many of the most important technological advances made by people (Tesla...) that died penny-less? Guess they were to tied up in the whole advance the human race discovery thing to be "plucky" enough to concentrate on what's really important like screwing a nickel out of everyone in sight for a piece of it.

The rich produce the things and services that add to the necessities, comfort and conveience of our lives.  What has any poor person who sits in the complacency of their shanty ever added to our lives?

Actually the rich produce nothing, they merely collect the money for the stuff we poor folk produce. Considering the bar for middle-class has been moved to the six figure range we're on the edge of pricing ourselves into a third world country.

Money is power as it allows the possessor to buy, manipulate, intimidate, influence etc. those with jingle-less pockets.  Is it not a good thing that generally the wealthy are some pretty bright folks with vision, drive and purpose?

No damnit, that's the central point this thread started on. Predatory lending practices at all levels are only serving to drive a wedge farther between the classes. Hell poor doesn't even mean poor anymore, its been overhauled (using an income based definition) to mean most of main street! Impoverished or poverty level is the (only) new way of separating ones self from the wineo that spends their days chatting with the box they live in...

Note: Just to be clear, I'm going for spirited discussion here ... I'm not attacking ;)

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Living Room / Re: poor? Pay up!
« on: May 23, 2009, 11:27 AM »
Why not? Complicate the simple & simplify the complex has always worked for me. It's sort of a can't see the forest for the trees thing. Too much minutia clouds the central issue of, is it a good solid business practice to kick the shit out of somebody when they're down. ...My answer to that is no (and I bet yours is too...).

Did these (check cashing/payday loan) companies start with the "good intent" of helping folks out? Sure. But the (predatory lending) bottom line got too enticing & greed kicked in.

Hence... Florida targeted several state wide "bad apples", and the ripple effect ended up taking out a huge portion of other companies that were equally as bad but didn't "stick out" enough to make examples out of. Many on the local companies that provided that "service" closed or were "restructured" in the wake of the rules that were put in place to prevent down-on-there-luck folks from being financially raped.

The CC companies are getting vilified now for much the same reason. 90% of them are in Delaware for the simple reason the Delaware has No regulatory control over lending practices ... Now tell me that action don't look just a bit suspicious...

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The state of Indiana once came very close to passing a law that would require motorcycles to have seat-belts & a flashing red light on a 10' pole. <-Now tell me that's not a great way to get a bunch or people killed...)

The state of Florida just passed a law (specifically for "Stunt-Riding" motorcycles) that states that if you are exceeding the speed limit by 50+ MPH:
Your motorcycle endorsement (license) will be revoked for 10yrs.
Your bike will be confiscated.
You will be fined at a much higher rate.
You will go to jail.
...and a bunch of other stuff I forget.


Now... the above was concocted in the (alleged) interest of public safety. It's only a matter of time before it backfires because there in no incentive what-so-ever for the rider to pull over and just give-in to that kind of penalty. They will run (because they can) and dangerously compound the problem.

At any rate, the point of these examples is that the lawmakers keep making uninformed (or poorly thought out) decisions based solely on trying to silence some whinny "Special Interest" group who ultimately is simply just insisting on being protected from themselves.

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 :huh: How can telnet not be allowed? I use it for troubleshooting mail servers all the time. You don't need to have the default telnet port 23 open on the target, you just telnet to port 110 (POP3) to initiate the session and then pretend to be an Email client by tossing commands back and forth with the server. The server will respond with coded prompts telling you exactly what it wants & when ... basically walking you through the process.

Do a google search on SMTP telnet access and you'll find a bunch of troubleshooting info on how to check your Email from a command prompt (e.g. telnet session).

Only thing to remember with telnet is any char typed (including backspace) is transmitted directly so any typos=instant failure, but scripting the session should get you past that. Sure there is a bit of a learning curve, but it's something you can easily leverage later in a big way.

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Living Room / Re: poor? Pay up!
« on: May 23, 2009, 08:27 AM »
So you can't judge a service based on the worst offenders, can you?
When the "Worst Offenders" comprise the highest percentage of the target group ... sure I'm ok with it. And so is Florida (where I live...) which cracked down on them just a few years back for their borderline criminal practices.

Just because a company isn't a front for the mob, doesn't mean they can run their operation like a carnival midway ... loansharking is a crime reguardless of who does it ... even if their name isn't Vinny, Tony or Guido.

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Site/Forum Features / Re: Read/Unread PM Counts
« on: May 23, 2009, 08:10 AM »
Looks like Code & I are working in shifts ... I think, in the interest of clarity, it would be nice to have something like the example that wreckedcars gave which is what Code & I were eluding to.

Sure if the other new message notice is there it's reasonably clear, but... if it isn't there it's not really user friendly to have to remember where something isn't. Adding the "You have 12 messages (0 unread)." Simply gives one the reassurance of at-a-glance clarity that there is nothing to do/check/see/respond to.

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Site/Forum Features / Re: Read/Unread PM Counts
« on: May 22, 2009, 09:56 AM »
When I receive a new message I see that I have a new message and some unread....

"When I receive a new message" being the key phrase ... that's not the slightest bit helpful (at-a-glance) for us forgetful old farts that want to know whats up (at-a-glance) without having to remember if we were assailed with a new message prompt in the recent past.
-Stoic Joker (May 22, 2009, 09:13 AM)

Doesn't the 'new  message' indicator stay until the message is read?
-cranioscopical (May 22, 2009, 09:31 AM)
Well... That's kinda my point ... I Don't Remember. ;)

Too many different forums, with too many different layouts ... So I'd be nice if it just said x of y ...at-a-glance.

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Living Room / Re: poor? Pay up!
« on: May 22, 2009, 09:50 AM »
What do you do if your TV dies and now you have nothing?
You do what many of us who have been really poor did, viz. exercise self-control, do without, and adjust your attitude accordingly. Who ever suffered from lack of TV?
-cranioscopical (May 22, 2009, 09:36 AM)
Ah! The shear joys of inurement ... Not! ...Yard sale, pawn shop, dumpster diving, or creative DIY home repair. There are always options ... especially if all you have is time. I've had to do all the above in my time ... the one thing I refused to do is resign myself to having to accept nothing.

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Living Room / Re: poor? Pay up!
« on: May 22, 2009, 09:41 AM »
Or are they poor because they make unwise financial decisions such as using a "payday loan" to buy things before they have the money?

Many times, logically "poor" financial decisions are made out of necessity. While it may be unwise to get a so-called payday loan, needing to buy food on Monday when you won't get paid until Friday might have a lot to do with your final decision. Same for rent when you have a due date that comes before your paycheck - and you have a landlord that will use even a one day delay as grounds for breaking your lease, and either asking you to leave or deciding to up your rent as a result. Or skipping a MasteCard payment one month (and taking a hit on your credit score) because you desperately needed to see a dentist, and you didn't have insurance coverage? Which you also decided let go until it became very serious (and much more expensive!) because you didn't have the money because you were paying off some back utility bills.

See how it works? Once you get behind in one area, the whole house starts falling down around your ears. That's the problem with not having money. All it takes is one unforeseen problem requiring cash to start the dominoes tumbling.

I agree that poverty is more a state of mind than a state of grace. I too have often been 'broke,' yet I have never once considered myself 'poor.' But I was brought up by a family that believed in the American Dream with a faith that bordered on religious mania. And through no merit on my part, I inherited their belief, along with an unfortunate genetic propensity for developing heart disease. (You always get some bad with the good. ;D)

Had I had grown up in a family that had suffered the "slings of misfortune" over the generations, I'm sure I wouldn't have been so optimistic. And while it's easy to tell people that they should change the way they think, I'm sure we can all agree that changing our basic attitudes is a lot harder than it looks.

Just my 2¢. (Actually, can I owe it to you until Monday?   ;D)




It's been said that most of the middleclass are generally only 2 paychecks away from bankruptcy for exactly this reason.

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Living Room / Re: poor? Pay up!
« on: May 22, 2009, 09:36 AM »
If you are part of the middle class and one of these places opens up shop in your neighborhood, it's time to move. It's one of the signs that your neighborhood is going to hell.
I've been laughing about this line for the past 5min.

Having had to deal with that type of company in years past I can attest to the 100% accuracy of your description.

My only saving grace was a friend that worked for the company that allowed me to get in on the loadingdock specials where they sold off the best of what was left of the multi-return items. He'd let me know when there was a good (e.g. no questionable history) item X available and I'd slide in and grab it for a greatly redused payment rate (only twice what the item was worth & no warranty). I furnished my first house that way.

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Site/Forum Features / Re: Read/Unread PM Counts
« on: May 22, 2009, 09:13 AM »
When I receive a new message I see that I have a new message and some unread....

"When I receive a new message" being the key phrase ... that's not the slightest bit helpful (at-a-glance) for us forgetful old farts that want to know whats up (at-a-glance) without having to remember if we were assailed with a new message prompt in the recent past.

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Site/Forum Features / Re: Read/Unread PM Counts
« on: May 22, 2009, 08:49 AM »
i dont get it -- doesnt the unread count always tell you the info you need to know?
It would if it was there, but it isn't. Only the total number of stored personal messages is listed.

Either that or both CodeTRUCKER & I are blind as bats ... 'cause its been bugging me to. :)

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Long-shot, but (given they're POP accounts) have you considered using a scripted telnet session to recurse through and purge the boxes?

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Living Room / Re: Open DNS is s***ware
« on: May 22, 2009, 08:20 AM »
Okay, pardon the old thread resurrection ... but I did grab the newest one I could find. :)

Due to a vacation interrupting client issue, I decided to use OpenDNS as a bit of a hammer dropping maneuver ... to make said client issue go away.

I've been mulling this one over for some time and watching the pro/con discussions with great interest. Given that most LM/browser level resolutions require a separate update, user interaction, and/or physical access to each machine (not to mention resource usage)...a DNS level solution has great appeal to me. It also allows me to manage multiple (disparate) networks quickly, from a single location, and without having to leave my desk (think enterprise level management on a really tight budget).

What I'm wondering is, given that SpyBot Search & Destroy's Inoculation feature has proven to cause great trouble for IE8 performance ... how well does OpenDNS's filtering compare as a replacement for spyBot's??

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There is a feature in EmEditor that allows tabs to be dragged between instances, or split off into new instances allowing you to regroup documents on the fly. That would be a cool feature for a browser.

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General Software Discussion / Re: Win7, disk imaging, vmware
« on: May 16, 2009, 08:32 AM »
Probably quicker (and with a better, more consistent outcome) to install from scratch on the hardware and then image a clean copy. At least you know what you have then and you don't inherit PITA issues in a months time that aren't instantly apparent.
-Carol Haynes (May 15, 2009, 05:51 PM)

This also affords one the opportunity to rethink the tweaks that are being used and helps in remembering which tweaks were done why. I have had one tweak conflict with another (quite transparently) creating a secondary issue that took weeks to track down. ...So manually recreating a critical configuration to keep what was done and why straight in my head I look at as a good thing.

I do use various scripts to speed up the process, but I make a point of documenting everything so I know what the script will do, and why I wanted it done (at the time).

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But people need to relax with the fancy formatting in email.

Damn Straight!

It drives my batty when I try to respond to an email that has some screwy formatting that causes the text to space out 3 lines appart even if you try to let auto-wrap. ...This usually happens with the lame stationary format Emails.

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Thanks, that does look useful ... might even help with what I'm working on now.

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I've tried Hiren's boot cd and I still get "Missing operating system" :/
Could it be because I have too bootabe partitions?
windows server 2008 is smart enough to offer the two options; but maybe the boot CDs are not so sophisticated.
Should I erradicate my XP partition?
Dual boot config shouldn't trip the CD that badly. I could see it skipping the 2nd OS and jumping into the 1st. ...But missing OS error? That sounds like a missing RAID driver type of issue to me.

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General Software Discussion / Re: WINDOWS 7 THREAD (ongoing)
« on: April 30, 2009, 12:44 PM »
I've never seen an accounting app that needed much from the GPU, so I doubt that will be a concern.
Funny that something as simple (OS features used, not business logic) as an accounting application can be written so crappily that it doesn't work across the whole Win95 -> Win7 range :)
True, I suspect it has much to do with tendancy towards rushing to vertical markets for big $$$ in the hopes that "X" will be the only kid on the block for that nitch. Company "X" invests with the lowest bidder that uses a RAD OOP rig and didn't laugh at the insainly tight deadline.

...and we the poor bastards in support/administration have to suffer because of it.

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And on the other side of the coin...

(As a comparison) How many times has any systems been penetrated/crashed because of .txt file misuse?!?

Plenty of times!

One can open notepad and type up various vbs, js, hta, and bat scripts in plain text. They can even be malicious ones.

If saved as .txt they are more or less harmless and open as text.

But if you name the file something like "funny joke.txt        [insert lots of spaces here]       .vbs" and can manage to get it onto a user's system, they might not see that .vbs part in Explorer if you add enough spaces, or if they have their settings set to hide known file extensions. (and if you write up a .hta you can even disguise the icon as the default .txt icon)

I think that would qualify as .txt file misuse.

I have seen plenty of cases over the years of people having their systems messed up by text files like this. Some got them through emails, some sent through instant messenger clients, lots of them downloaded over P2P.

And yes, technically they are still just plain old text files. But the change of file extension tells the OS to treat them differently. And the right change of file extension can turn them into executable scripts.
Um... no.

If you change the file extension, to a different file type, it's a different file type. e.g. not the same thing.

Apples to Apples compairison is:
PDF -> Adobe reader (boom...)
TXT -> Notepad (...?)

...Now if you gan get Notepad to make a txt file go boom... you win.

Tricking some dolt user with hidden file extensions (dumb on MS's part) or an 80' file name is Social Engineering ... Which is not the same as turning sombody's comp into a smoking hole when they run a file in it's native application. PDF's are just to "Feature Rich" for their own good.

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