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Last post Author Topic: Windows Explorer now has banner ads  (Read 2393 times)

Deozaan

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Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« on: March 11, 2017, 02:27:59 PM »
I opened up Windows Explorer just now and was greeted by this:

Windows Explorer Ad.pngWindows Explorer now has banner ads

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2017, 02:31:54 PM »
After a quick search, I found several news outlets have reported on this in the past couple of days. I clicked on one, somewhat randomly, and skimmed through it and found this:

Luckily, there appears to be an easy way to banish File Explorer ads—though sadly, it's not tied to any of the settings you need to disable Windows 10's other ads.

Open an Explorer window and go to View > Options > Change folder and search options. In the properties window that opens, click on the View tab, and under Advanced settings scroll down and uncheck “Show sync provider notifications.” The list is organized alphabetically.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2017, 02:50:30 PM »
For a product one pays for (I hope no one ever falls for 'free upgrade = free') having ads is ridiculous at best. This makes other MS tactics look like harmless fun.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2017, 03:04:16 PM »
Surely they aren't showing ads for those who paid for Windows 10.
But this is still a bad omen.

On the other hand it's just another reminder that you shouldn't be using windows explorer, you should be using one of the 3rd party alternatives.  This will just help spread the word to more people.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2017, 03:15:33 PM »
Surely they aren't showing ads for those who paid for Windows 10.
But this is still a bad omen.

On the other hand it's just another reminder that you shouldn't be using windows explorer, you should be using one of the 3rd party alternatives.  This will just help spread the word to more people.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2017, 03:27:11 PM »
Surely they aren't showing ads for those who paid for Windows 10.

Anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise:

Explorer Ads.pngWindows Explorer now has banner ads

windows-explorer-ads-100712637-orig.jpgWindows Explorer now has banner ads
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« Last Edit: March 11, 2017, 03:32:32 PM by Deozaan »

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2017, 03:57:07 PM »
Every time i see something like this about Windows 10, it makes me even more reluctant to "upgrade" from Windows 7.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2017, 04:36:46 PM »
Next up on the MS advertising scheme, is to have banners where you will be able to use UWP apps for 3 minutes in full mode (streamed to your system, so no install) and if you like the app you can buy it in the MS store and, of course, install it on your computer.

This to generate revenue for app makers and MS...while you try to do your work. Will be interesting to see how this way of advertising is handled on Enterprise systems, but for now it strengthens my opinion about Windows being on the wrong track for serious/professional use of operating systems.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2017, 04:38:04 PM »
After a quick search, I found several news outlets have reported on this in the past couple of days. I clicked on one, somewhat randomly, and skimmed through it and found this:

Luckily, there appears to be an easy way to banish File Explorer ads—though sadly, it's not tied to any of the settings you need to disable Windows 10's other ads.

Open an Explorer window and go to View > Options > Change folder and search options. In the properties window that opens, click on the View tab, and under Advanced settings scroll down and uncheck “Show sync provider notifications.” The list is organized alphabetically.

The downside of this is that you don't get OneDrive notifications either if you turn this off.

Surely they aren't showing ads for those who paid for Windows 10.
But this is still a bad omen.

On the other hand it's just another reminder that you shouldn't be using windows explorer, you should be using one of the 3rd party alternatives.  This will just help spread the word to more people.

Fixed

There are those that for them (for work, or other reasons) that Windows is the only choice.  Sorry... a bit cranky about people telling what people should be using.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2017, 05:30:25 PM »
There are those that for them (for work, or other reasons) that Windows is the only choice.  Sorry... a bit cranky about people telling what people should be using.

In such conversations I am one of the first to point out Linux short comings, even here on DC I have said things like Gimp is nowhere near what Photoshop is, Office variants are nowhere near Office. So I don't disagree with your post.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2017, 07:11:16 PM »
Here is another viewpoint:
On systems I need to work on (from a different company) there are the same strict rules. Nothing but basic Windows and a minimal, heavily supervised, set of tools on them. So we started to use a portable version of Notepad++ on those machines (a lot of scripting is going on). I assume the admin(s) saw that this program was opened a lot by many different user at any given time and suddenly, without any notification, all of systems we work on now have a licensed copy on Notepad++ installed.

While I don't deny there is an adverse effect when people tell other people what to use, my example above shows it can help if you enlighten "the powers that be" there are often better tools than the standard tools Windows provides and which do not necessarily create a mess of software policies or cause administrative troubles either.

And if you can demonstrate that tasks can be finished faster by people who you have to pay by the hour, the offset of costs between license(s) and labor can be a very persuading argument too.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2017, 07:51:33 PM »
Your argument shows false equivalence.  In your example, it was based on trends, not someone telli g someone else what they should be using.  Theyre all tools, and all have their upsides and downsides, and their respective uses, but none of them are perfect, and to say thatnyou should be using so,ething smacks of condescension, imo.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2017, 11:13:43 PM »
My post was not intended to be offending. And I honestly never thought showing someone more useful tools than Windows provides by default, could be interpreted as condescending. Never too old to learn.

And you are right, recently WikiLeaks showed that the CIA uses Notepad++ (specific .dll) as a way to gain access to Windows servers, so that could be seen as a big disadvantage. To clarify, the software I am involved in uses its own specific scripting language and comes with a 350 page manual that just describes the commands and their parameters. Notepad++ allows you to create your own script language file for command highlighting, filling out partial commands and such things. There is a lot of that scripting going on, so any tool that helps us get things done faster, is better for all parties involved. Notepad itself is inadequate for anything beside editing relatively small text files

Besides, I asked that same company 6 weeks ago for an email-address (on a mail server they own and manage themselves) to send automatic notifications to a certain group of people on their own mail server. The manager agreed I should have the mail address and thanked me for pro-active thinking in their benefit. Yet I still don't have it even after sending weekly reminders.

Wouldn't be too much of a stretch to consider this to be condescending as well.

I will finish with this:  when someone thinks they have all wisdom, that's the moment they should go back to the "trenches", as they clearly have spent too much time in their ivory tower. That was how I was thought by parents, family and (in a slightly lesser degree) at school. As I said earlier, never considered it to be condescending when pointing towards better software for mutual benefit. Till now, that is.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2017, 12:43:04 AM »
I think wraith808 was saying that when someone unilaterally says "you should be using product X" or "you should not be using product Y" that is what is condescending. I don't think that he meant that what you said was condescending.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2017, 12:57:53 AM »
... I assume the admin(s) saw that this program was opened a lot by many different user at any given time and suddenly, without any notification, all of systems we work on now have a licensed copy on Notepad++ installed. ...
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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2017, 05:56:03 AM »
So we started to use a portable version of Notepad++ on those machines (a lot of scripting is going on).

Really paranoid organisation (the UK government) disabled USB ports on PCs. Maybe it still does.




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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2017, 09:36:21 AM »
I think wraith808 was saying that when someone unilaterally says "you should be using product X" or "you should not be using product Y" that is what is condescending. I don't think that he meant that what you said was condescending.

Exactly.  Thanks for putting it better

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2017, 12:07:31 PM »
Man, ads in your operating system... ugh.

I quite like Windows 10, it's pretty snappy - but I really don't like this direction. Meh. Thought Microsoft had wisened up with Natya Sadella and all, but... ugh.

all of systems we work on now have a licensed copy on Notepad++ installed.
Huh, there's licensed versions of Notepad++?  :huh: :huh: :huh:


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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2017, 08:15:06 AM »
It doesn't bother me too much as it is an ad for a MS product. If they started selling banner ads to other 3 party companies then that is different.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2017, 11:11:21 AM »
It doesn't bother me too much as it is an ad for a MS product. If they started selling banner ads to other 3 party companies then that is different.

While I'm inclined to agree with you ... The phrase 'War of Inches' does come to mind.

If the crowd reaction isn't harsh enough, this could easily get a lot worse rather fast.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2017, 12:50:40 PM »
Whilst there may be banner ads in Windows Explorer, I haven't noticed them yet as I mostly use xplorer² - have done for years.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2017, 03:25:42 PM »
Another wrinkle: I disabled that option as suggested to keep the ads from appearing, but today the ad appeared again. I checked that option and it's still disabled. So either I did something else wrong or it doesn't actually disable that ad after all.

It doesn't bother me too much as it is an ad for a MS product. If they started selling banner ads to other 3 party companies then that is different.

While I'm inclined to agree with you ... The phrase 'War of Inches' does come to mind.

If the crowd reaction isn't harsh enough, this could easily get a lot worse rather fast.

Agreed. With both of you. :)

Though if the ad keeps coming back, that's going to make me feel a lot less accepting of it.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2017, 03:32:24 PM »
MS should accept third party ads in explorer, I would donate so xyplorer can advertise there.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2017, 04:14:10 PM »
I've been perfectly happy with Windows Explorer all these years. Well, with some minor gripes starting in XP or Windows 7 that got fixed in Windows 10 (until the ads showed up). I even bought a license to XYplorer several years ago and went back to Windows Explorer because I just didn't see how XYplorer was any better for my needs.

But maybe it's time to re-evaluate XYplorer and see what all the hubbub is about.

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Re: Windows Explorer now has banner ads
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2017, 08:06:33 PM »
Who knew...Windows was better off under Steve Ballmer.  :tellme: