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Author Topic: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error  (Read 507 times)

bobofeta

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T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« on: May 21, 2017, 12:13:10 PM »
t-clock error.pngT-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error

Windows 10 Pro • 64-bit • Version 1703 • OS Build 15063.296 • (Creators Update)
« Last Edit: May 21, 2017, 12:19:58 PM by bobofeta »

IainB

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2017, 02:35:58 PM »
That's odd.
I just happened to download/install T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 for a trial today.
It seems to work fine. (The calendar is very nice - I can set it almost perfect for my needs.)

I can't reproduce that error you are reporting. If I right-click on the clock in the systray and select Display Properties, it brings up the relevant properties page window: Control Panel\Appearance and Personalisation\Display
(and no error message)

OS is Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
Build 14393.rs1_release_sec.170427-1353

bobofeta

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2017, 02:39:39 PM »
IainB, it doesn't look like you're running the Windows 10 Creators Update. It was just rolled out recently. If Windows Update says "you're up to date", there should be a message underneath that text explaining how to download the Creators Update from Microsoft.

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2017, 05:32:09 PM »
The built-in security programs in Win 10 / Edge will delete T-Clock at arrival. At least, they did to me. I then closed Edge and Defender before using Firefox to get and install the new T-Clock which is now running fine

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x64 Microsoft Windows Home
Version 1607 (14393.1198)
« Last Edit: May 22, 2017, 03:19:45 AM by Curt, Reason: 1607 »

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2017, 12:28:06 AM »
I just tested this, and I get the same error as bobofeta.


Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Version 1703
OS Build 15063.296 (Creators Update)

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2017, 03:46:28 AM »
So it seems MS (Creators Update) problem.

MS hasn't advised me to get Creators Update, and no error in 32 bit Win 10, same result as IainB.

Regards,

Anand

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2017, 05:30:39 AM »
So it seems MS (Creators Update) problem.
MS hasn't advised me to get Creators Update, and no error in 32 bit Win 10, same result as IainB.
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Yes, I wondered about that maybe being an error peculiar to the Creators Update Windows version, or maybe it's an error caused by the update.
From the looks of the error panel, I thought that T-Clock might be correctly linking to the correct folder address (the special folder/pane number/address) for the Control Panel\Appearance and Personalisation\Display pane, but that that address may no longer be the correct address for that folder/pane anymore.

The address may have been changed to something different by the Creators Update (i.e., it may have been changed to something else just in that version).
Thus, T-Clock is faithfully linking to what was previously the "correct" address, but it's no longer the correct address, post-Creators Update. Broken backwards compatibility.

Just a guess, as I have no idea how T-Clock is getting/using the address for that system pane.

IainB

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2017, 05:43:17 AM »
@anandcoral: Sorry for the off-topic request, but could you please provide the hardware spec that you have running the Win10 32-bit OS?
And could you summarise your view of its overall performance when using that OS, please? Do you have a basis for comparison? - i.e., did you previously have Win7 32-bit, or something, on that hardware?
I'm just interested in your experience with that, as I am considering putting Win10 32-bit on a 32-bit laptop for someone, but am unsure whether it's advisable - i.e, whether maybe it'd be better to stick with the existing Win7 32-bit installation.

Thanks in advance for any input.

IainB

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2017, 06:05:35 AM »
IainB, it doesn't look like you're running the Windows 10 Creators Update. It was just rolled out recently. If Windows Update says "you're up to date", there should be a message underneath that text explaining how to download the Creators Update from Microsoft.
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Yes, thanks for the helpful tip, @bobofeta. I was aware that I was not running the Windows 10 Creators Update version (I'm in no hurry to install it either). It was that fact that made me say "That's odd" and why I copied my Windows version details. I wondered whether the error was an error in T-Clock, or (more likely) the result of changes in the Win10 Pro 64-bit Creators Update version
It rather begins to seem that it might be the latter.

If it is, and if it is indeed a case of broken backwards compatibility, or something like that, then Microsoft may well patch it in while - it's a non-critical error (I would suppose), so not urgent to fix.
MS are usually pretty good at maintaining backwards compatibility.

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2017, 07:51:06 AM »
Build 14393.rs1_release_sec.170427-1353
Same issue here W10x64 [Version 10.0.15063]

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2017, 12:25:02 PM »
I don't think it's a bug, and I don't think this is a case of just wait until Microsoft fixes it. It's really just a heads-up to the dev that the Creators Update changes some things. This seems to be typical of Windows 10 major releases. It happened with the Windows 10 November Update, the Windows 10 Anniversary Update and will probably happen again with the upcoming Windows 10 Redstone 3 Update. These are very different operating systems. It's just Microsoft's decided to call them all Windows 10 and finally give updates away for free like everyone else is doing. But some low level, third party apps have to be adjusted.

Also, the recent WannaCry ransomware virus is a healthy reminder to keep your systems updated.

And the "Display Properties' shortcut in T Clock certainly isn't a high priority deal-breaker...

IainB

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #11 on: Today at 11:02:58 AM »
I don't think it's a bug, and I don't think this is a case of just wait until Microsoft fixes it. ...
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Ah, well, if you think that, then maybe I could be accused of being a tad optimistic in supposing what I did there.

/Rant ON
Maybe, for whatever reason, MS won't, in the end, take responsibility for fixing whatever they seem to have broken, and which apparently only they could fix, so then it would be left to the app developer(s) to adapt the apps affected, so that they point to the new address (or whatever it is).
Then again, maybe MS will fix it, given time. Fortunately, in terms of priority, at least the wheels don't seem likely to fall off anything critical because of it, meanwhile.
I suppose the question is: In this Richmond variant of "Waiting for Godot", how long does one actually wait?

And then, the possibility is that the app developer(s) will adapt the app(s) to be in sync with the new address (or whatever it is) and then, having done so, MS belatedly actually fix it like they should have done in the first place, which then could leave those apps already thus adapted to be out of sync again. Such fun. Stranger things have happened at sea.
Some people (not me, you understand) might say that it could thus seem more prudent to take a "Wait-and-see" approach in such cases. They might add that they admit the allure of getting on with and enjoying one's life, rather than spending one's cognitive surplus hovering over a partially crippled Windows OS with a spanner and screwdriver in hand, trying to fix up someone else's obscure mistakes. However, I couldn't possibly comment.

This is all kinda academic in my case anyway, as I am not generally predisposed towards being a "Creators Update" or "pre-release" or whatever-kind-of-ß-tester of new versions of the OS, because being the usual kind of enforced in-production-ß-tester is more than sufficient joy for me.
/Rant OFF

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #12 on: Today at 11:24:38 AM »
MS has been putting great effort into decommissioning the venerable old Control Panel in favor of the new Settings Center/Window/Utility/WTF ever their calling it ... So the old Display Settings may very well just be gone..

Hay, Speaking of gone ... Where's White Tiger??

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #13 on: Today at 06:12:00 PM »
... So the old Display Settings may very well just be gone...
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Oh, good point. If they have been progressively decommissioning the old Control Panel, then you might well be proven right. Ha-ha and there I was gullibly presuming that they would probably fix it...    :-[

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Re: T-Clock 2.4.3 build 471 Display Properties throws error
« Reply #14 on: Today at 07:25:55 PM »
Maybe, for whatever reason, MS won't, in the end, take responsibility for fixing whatever they seem to have broken, and which apparently only they could fix, so then it would be left to the app developer(s) to adapt the apps affected, so that they point to the new address (or whatever it is).


If you develop for a platform, you know that the platform's developers are under no obligation to support your software.  Or at least you should know that.  You have to roll with the platform's releases.  They didn't intentionally break t-clock.  They also didn't intentionally not break it these years.  It would be up to a developer to figure out what the problem is, and change/correct the software.