« on: February 17, 2019, 09:45 AM »
It just turned itself on again by itself this morning. I don't think there's a possible way to diagnose this according to you guys other than blaming drivers or peripherals.
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I thought people were trying to argue that the hardware itself was doing it, not the drivers.-Asudem (January 01, 2019, 11:49 PM)
Due to the "murkiness" of the original post, eg. "powered down" as opposed to Windows turning the display off.
First step should still be remove all peripherals, mice, RF transceivers, external HDDs, etc, etc - so we'll see what happens.That's why I created this thread and hoped some sort of ProcMon like software existed or could exist, to diagnose this issue.
There's also Sysmon which will log to the Event Log.-4wd (January 02, 2019, 12:33 AM)
It would have relevance if Linux used the same drivers and ran the same processes ... but then it would be Windows. So it still doesn't exclude peripherals from the equation.Interesting. So you're saying it would be at the driver level anyway if any tampering would be had, and not by faulty hardware. Alright, I can buy that. I thought people were trying to argue that the hardware itself was doing it, not the drivers. This makes more sense.-4wd (January 01, 2019, 10:26 PM)
In the absence of information, can we assume that most, if not all, of the Windows telemetry has not been disabled?Initially, yes. I have since run Blackbird and disabled (seemingly all telemetry. It has done the on/off thing since this.
It's Google, they along with Microsoft want to collect everything about you, this is common knowledge - since you've knowingly installed Chrome I would have thought you'd expect to see it's grubby little feet trampling through your machine
Find what's turning it on since the second event can't happen without the first event.
When did you first notice it happening, (and does it coincide with anything else, eg. software install, power fluctuations)?It first started doing this on my machine sometime at the beginning of last year, so about a year ago now. The house power fluctuations are more recent, the beginning of Winter 2018. I can only monitor what I am awake for and it only happens in the dark, all lights off, and when I am in bed. It is quite possible the process knows this through some sort of malware hijacking my cam, as the monitor never shuts off by itself while being used. However, no such exe was found using my webcam when I had Avast Pro's webcam anti-spy thing, there was no activity logged but I was still suspicious.-4wd (January 01, 2019, 05:14 PM)
eg. Until I recently decided to uninstall ~20 programs I no longer use, my computer would not go into Sleep mode, something I had become used to.It did this the night of the fresh Win10 install on a new hard drive about a month ago. So it survived an entire Hard Drive and OS clean install. Again, left overnight, no forms of Linux seem affected.
Now it does again.
Another experiment, instead of just getting it to turn the display off, have it also Lock the computer.It's worth a shot, but I highly doubt this will affect it in any manner.
This will require physical interaction with the mouse or keyboard to have the display turn on.
Keyboard can. And if the external drives came with driver and/or back-up software, those could trigger Windows to become active again.If my keyboard is phantom stroking itself off at 2 or 4 in the morning when I am trying to sleep I will be pissed. Also, note, I said it does not happen in other OSes.-Shades (January 01, 2019, 01:58 PM)
Wireless headset uses BlueTooth?RF receiver, which blinks when deactivated and stays lit when activated. It has never stayed lit when the monitor has powered back on, or if it has, the headset itself would be plugged into a power outlet and is just broadcasting silence. The random on/off of my screen has been observed in both states.
Not just the devices that you think is logical.Turning the machine off to avoid the issue is a logical fix. This disconnects all power. I am not looking for logic. I am looking to find the answer.
BTW, "reactivate" the screen = turn the backlight on (with no signal, eg. no Desktop) or completely wake the screen, ie. normal backlight/Desktop ?Reactivate = normal backlight/desktop
Something else to try, turn the display off manually using NirCmd (nircmd.exe monitor off) and see if it wakes up.-4wd (December 30, 2018, 07:55 PM)
Perhaps with a tool like this you are able to find out what instance of software is making your monitor light up.I will investigate this software to see if it can't help trace the problem down, thanks!-Shades (December 29, 2018, 02:51 PM)
Going back to the OP:
To clarify, what do you mean by powered down?-4wd (December 29, 2018, 09:57 PM)
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It does it even when the lid is closed?My laptop has a hard switch for detecting if it is closed or open, but it is currently set at the Windows software level to hibernate if that happens (apparently, I never close my lid). I have not powered off my mouse yet and I do believe it did light up on its own again, but I have to wonder if it really is the mouse. Although they are different OSes, the OpenSUSE partition, if left on all night, it doesn't seemingly power my screen on if it turns off.-4wd (December 25, 2018, 05:37 PM)
In short, a simple process of elimination is likely to produce a much quicker cause for the problem that you experience. Only when your computer is still acting up when you have disconnected all peripherals. It can even be something like your USB mouse/keyboard is supplying too much information than Windows is set to handle. Any operation system can start acting weird with something like that.-Shades (December 24, 2018, 10:56 PM)
Or the simple solution, turn the monitor off.Well, you'd think that. This is a laptop setup, in which the PSU and monitor are all wedged into one chassis (so to speak), and even using a softswitch (the FN keys) to turn off the monitor, it does power itself back on at random times when I am trying to sleep.-4wd (December 25, 2018, 05:19 AM)
Is the machine set to shut down or hybrid hibernate which is the default on W10. If the latter it's not something like a Wake on LAN or Wake on USB?-magician62 (December 25, 2018, 06:52 AM)
It might also be some service like the update service, causing your pc to power on at certain times to check for updates.I've also considered this, but the event logs from checking for updates (at least Window logs) do not match the times of the random powerons.-mouser (December 25, 2018, 09:04 AM)
Asudem: Until July 29 you can probably just re-install Win 10. I downloaded the installer myself. If you can't reinstall Win 10 the way you did before because of the shorted USB port, it's a hardware problem not a software problem. You have until July 29th to get that fixed and reinstall Win 10.-Arizona Hot (June 24, 2016, 11:14 PM)
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