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It just turned itself on again by itself this morning. I don't think there's a possible way to diagnose this according to you guys other than blaming drivers or peripherals.  :(

N.A.N.Y. 2019 / Re: NANY 2019 - Windows App - Process Watcher
« on: January 02, 2019, 11:26 AM »

I am forever referring to programmers as "Rare File Architects" henceforth... okay, maybe not...

Avast informed me the installer version was just fine though!

Ooooh, fancy that! Nice find, thanks much!  :Thmbsup:

EDIT: It's nearly 3am and I just want this batch processing to finish so I can disconnect everything. The Laptop Buyers Remorse is really real tonight folks...

EDIT2: I didn't sleep, and no, it never turned on. I guess I'll try again before I actually fall asleep.

I thought people were trying to argue that the hardware itself was doing it, not the drivers.

Due to the "murkiness" of the original post, eg. "powered down" as opposed to Windows turning the display off.  ;)

First step should still be remove all peripherals, mice, RF transceivers, external HDDs, etc, etc - so we'll see what happens.

That's why I created this thread and hoped some sort of ProcMon like software existed or could exist, to diagnose this issue.

There's also Sysmon which will log to the Event Log.

I will be doing this, and also using a NANY 2019 app from Mouser! Gonna let it run all night!

N.A.N.Y. 2019 / Re: NANY 2019 - Windows App - Process Watcher
« on: January 02, 2019, 12:31 AM »
Avast seems to terminate the process and won't let the installer run, insisting I submit it to them for analysis. I have not done so yet, but just a heads up.


I have never, EVER, seen such behavior from it before...

EDIT: It seems to have sent something without my permission, but it does indeed give me an opportunity! I have installed the software, disabling the shields, and reactivated the software, seeing what, if anything, avast does to it, and what, if anything, avast updates with to let them know the file's signature is safe or not.

It would have relevance if Linux used the same drivers and ran the same processes ... but then it would be Windows.  So it still doesn't exclude peripherals from the equation.
Interesting. So you're saying it would be at the driver level anyway if any tampering would be had, and not by faulty hardware. Alright, I can buy that. I thought people were trying to argue that the hardware itself was doing it, not the drivers. This makes more sense.

In the absence of information, can we assume that most, if not all, of the Windows telemetry has not been disabled?
Initially, yes. I have since run Blackbird and disabled (seemingly all telemetry. It has done the on/off thing since this.

It's Google, they along with Microsoft want to collect everything about you, this is common knowledge - since you've knowingly installed Chrome I would have thought you'd expect to see it's grubby little feet trampling through your machine  :)

Google has a big enough footprint on me that I've become rather comfy knowing if I'm suddenly wanted for murder or something, their activity could just prove I was on the toilet while the crime was committed or whatever. Microsoft, meh, but to see chrome itself as an executable accessing what is essentially the area of Windows in which users are authenticated is a little shocking. I'm not fully alarmed by it, but it is quite the unexpected appearance.

Find what's turning it on since the second event can't happen without the first event.

That's why I created this thread and hoped some sort of ProcMon like software existed or could exist, to diagnose this issue. The program Shades mentioned might be able to help out there, but if only I can figure out how to utilize it. Hmm....

Going to unplug everything but power and wifi tonight, see if it happens again.

I like the idea of creating a log entry when the screensaver times out, that's very clever. I don't have gpedit as I don't have pro but you may be onto something.

EDIT: Oh, what? Event IDs 4802 and 4803 do not appear in my event logs even when manually activated...  :o

When did you first notice it happening, (and does it coincide with anything else, eg. software install, power fluctuations)?
It first started doing this on my machine sometime at the beginning of last year, so about a year ago now. The house power fluctuations are more recent, the beginning of Winter 2018. I can only monitor what I am awake for and it only happens in the dark, all lights off, and when I am in bed. It is quite possible the process knows this through some sort of malware hijacking my cam, as the monitor never shuts off by itself while being used. However, no such exe was found using my webcam when I had Avast Pro's webcam anti-spy thing, there was no activity logged but I was still suspicious.
eg. Until I recently decided to uninstall ~20 programs I no longer use, my computer would not go into Sleep mode, something I had become used to.
Now it does again.
It did this the night of the fresh Win10 install on a new hard drive about a month ago. So it survived an entire Hard Drive and OS clean install. Again, left overnight, no forms of Linux seem affected.

Another experiment, instead of just getting it to turn the display off, have it also Lock the computer.
This will require physical interaction with the mouse or keyboard to have the display turn on.
It's worth a shot, but I highly doubt this will affect it in any manner.

EDIT: I can't seem to find a "require login on wake" setting, but I do find a "allow wake timers" which might not have been modified on my old machine and was set to "important only", and I have now set it to "disabled". I have also set the "Screen Saver" to "none" and require login after the same amount of time as the power management to turn off my monitor.

However: None of this can explain what turns my monitor back off after turning it on.

EDIT2: Found this in my security audit. Should I be concerned? Why would chome.exe be in there while I'm using it to read this reply?
Log Name:      Security
Source:        Microsoft-Windows-Security-Auditing
Date:          1/1/2019 4:38:40 PM
Event ID:      4798
Task Category: User Account Management
Level:         Information
Keywords:      Audit Success
User:          N/A
Computer:      DESKTOP-GHRIIHN
A user's local group membership was enumerated.

   Security ID:      DESKTOP-GHRIIHN\bigge
   Account Name:      bigge
   Account Domain:      DESKTOP-GHRIIHN
   Logon ID:      0x1E8E43D2

   Security ID:      DESKTOP-GHRIIHN\bigge
   Account Name:      bigge
   Account Domain:      DESKTOP-GHRIIHN

Process Information:
   Process ID:      0x24e4
   Process Name:      C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.micro...2004/08/events/event">
    <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Security-Auditing" Guid="{54849625-5478-4994-a5ba-3e3b0328c30d}" />
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2019-01-02T00:38:40.791620000Z" />
    <Correlation ActivityID="{4e25fc43-9d83-0005-52fc-254e839dd401}" />
    <Execution ProcessID="868" ThreadID="15548" />
    <Security />
    <Data Name="TargetUserName">bigge</Data>
    <Data Name="TargetDomainName">DESKTOP-GHRIIHN</Data>
    <Data Name="TargetSid">S-1-5-21-1929593028-2655745888-1613840321-1001</Data>
    <Data Name="SubjectUserSid">S-1-5-21-1929593028-2655745888-1613840321-1001</Data>
    <Data Name="SubjectUserName">bigge</Data>
    <Data Name="SubjectDomainName">DESKTOP-GHRIIHN</Data>
    <Data Name="SubjectLogonId">0x1e8e43d2</Data>
    <Data Name="CallerProcessId">0x24e4</Data>
    <Data Name="CallerProcessName">C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe</Data>

Keyboard can. And if the external drives came with driver and/or back-up software, those could trigger Windows to become active again.
If my keyboard is phantom stroking itself off at 2 or 4 in the morning when I am trying to sleep I will be pissed. Also, note, I said it does not happen in other OSes.

No backup software or drivers to my knowledge outside whatever MS provides with Win10.

Wireless headset uses BlueTooth?
RF receiver, which blinks when deactivated and stays lit when activated. It has never stayed lit when the monitor has powered back on, or if it has, the headset itself would be plugged into a power outlet and is just broadcasting silence. The random on/off of my screen has been observed in both states.

Not just the devices that you think is logical.
Turning the machine off to avoid the issue is a logical fix. This disconnects all power. I am not looking for logic. I am looking to find the answer.

Logic would imply I would be staring at my screenless laptop while all items are disconnected through countless nights of waiting for the issue to happen, and then it happens, then I have nothing other than a confirmation some process in Windows is causing this. As I have stated before, no other OSes do this.

Logic would also imply these devices cannot turn the screen back off at a non-designated Windows time (5 min), and yet, the light can turn off in anywhere from 5 sec after turning on to 2 min after turning on.

Logic does not explain that any of these devices could also cause the screen to power down.

EDIT: One minor note, I am experiencing what appear to be unrelated power fluctuations on the circuit in my house with lights flashing as well. This behavior as observed on my laptop is as follows:
The laptop detects a power drop and momentarily enters battery mode, in which it has a different set of rules to follow for powering the monitor off and the event is logged as a "power unplugged" event. When power is restored to the laptop, usually within a few moments, the backlight will kick into full brightness under the "plugged in" profile, and will recognize (somehow) the monitor should be in the powered off state, as its states was never cleared properly when it was plugged in, and will turn off my monitor once again. This is observed and consistent behavior.

EDIT2: I feel that this is the closest answer I can find to monitor power on/off behaviors.

BTW, "reactivate" the screen = turn the backlight on (with no signal, eg. no Desktop) or completely wake the screen, ie. normal backlight/Desktop ?
Something else to try, turn the display off manually using NirCmd (nircmd.exe monitor off) and see if it wakes up.
Reactivate = normal backlight/desktop

Latest graphics and chipset drivers.

After nircmd was used to power down the monitor, it was powered up unexpectedly again.

All I have left is my external audio card (wireless headset), my keyboard, 2 external drives, and an external BD drive. I could unplug those too but I doubt those units could also be powering the monitor off as well as back on.

Perhaps with a tool like this you are able to find out what instance of software is making your monitor light up.
I will investigate this software to see if it can't help trace the problem down, thanks!
Going back to the OP:
To clarify, what do you mean by powered down?

Good question, I should have been more specific: In Power Management, you are given a power option for when you would like your screen turned off at what I assume is the hardware level:

Once my afk has been detected for 5 minutes, I expect my screen to soft-power-down, meaning the lcd pixels and backlighting are turned off on my laptop monitor. I also do not expect the screen to resume until such input behavior is received from only my mouse or keyboard. My linux distros follow these rules similarly without power restoring to my monitor unexpectedly.

Bumping with new info: With mouse disabled, the backlight is turning on and back off at times not designated by Windows.

Greetings all,

I have a seemingly large amount of time to spend with myself and all the bits on this computer I could flip to my heart's content. However, my ability to keep that heart beating as fast as it does for using my computer could be greatly improved if I made adjustments myself. I find two of my online worlds colliding a lot and wish to have them sorted through my own program to help define the commonalities between the two social networks. Nothing like this currently exists which brings up what I've run into a lot and I call my "developer's dilemma".
  • If I intend to make a program that does not exist in one form or another, is it worth making at all?
  • Would maintenance on the program outweigh its usefulness over using the two platforms non-integrated?
  • If I made this in a language which used external modules, am I prepared to have my software bloat from the unneeded components?
  • If I did want to write it from scratch in a new language, what should I write it in?

I am not certain if other developers (or the self-proclaimed developer like myself) get this or not, especially when FOSS becomes involved.

DC Website Help and Extras / Re: Is DC attacked again?
« on: December 26, 2018, 05:44 PM »
Gave $10 of my DonationCredits to the server! Hold strong server!

Saw the title of this thread and felt obligated to keep it up to date with this finding!


I've always wanted to try programming punchcards... hah, just kidding! What an archive though!

Let's exploit really old games for MAXIMUM points!

An AI has managed to cheat with the best humanity has to offer after discovering an exploit in classic arcade game Q*bert and running with it.

While earlier iterations of the AI would play Q*bert properly, at some point in its learning of how the game works, it discovers an exploit that lets it rack up insane points. Naturally, as any score-hunting player would, it repeats the process so it can boost its score in the most effective way possible.

You can see the AI working its way around platforms in the video below. At first, it looks as if it’s aimlessly jumping between platforms. Instead of seeing the game progress to the next round, Q*bert becomes stuck in a loop where all its platforms begin to flash – it’s here the AI can then go on a score-frenzy racking up huge points.

At what point would AI, after completing its goal in an alternate way like this, could it continue "training" if something like quality assurance at the source level fails due to human error? Interesting times.

It does it even when the lid is closed?
My laptop has a hard switch for detecting if it is closed or open, but it is currently set at the Windows software level to hibernate if that happens (apparently, I never close my lid). I have not powered off my mouse yet and I do believe it did light up on its own again, but I have to wonder if it really is the mouse. Although they are different OSes, the OpenSUSE partition, if left on all night, it doesn't seemingly power my screen on if it turns off.

This may just be a mystery left unsolved, but I would still like to theorize at what level could something like this be detected? For example, what is it that Windows constantly looks at to know that it should or should not have the screen in a powered state and what programs can have access to this outside of the API level, such as being used through a .NET call programmed specifically for that rather than the near assembly level instruction that actually takes care of the power on/offs. Surely Function Key suites for laptop need access to this level of hardware for the soft switches of turning off/on the screen. I'm very curious.

In short, a simple process of elimination is likely to produce a much quicker cause for the problem that you experience. Only when your computer is still acting up when you have disconnected all peripherals. It can even be something like your USB mouse/keyboard is supplying too much information than Windows is set to handle. Any operation system can start acting weird with something like that.

Hmm, yes. This starts after the monitor has entered it's power-down state while my laptop remains powered on. I can try turning off the wireless mouse at night. I haven't thought of that one.

Or the simple solution, turn the monitor off.
Well, you'd think that. This is a laptop setup, in which the PSU and monitor are all wedged into one chassis (so to speak), and even using a softswitch (the FN keys) to turn off the monitor, it does power itself back on at random times when I am trying to sleep.

Is the machine set to shut down or hybrid hibernate which is the default on W10. If the latter it's not something like  a Wake on LAN or Wake on USB?

I'm really hoping it's not a wake up on either of those! Nothing should ping awake my hardware when I'm not at it! lol

It might also be some service like the update service, causing your pc to power on at certain times to check for updates.
I've also considered this, but the event logs from checking for updates (at least Window logs) do not match the times of the random powerons.

For the easiest pebuak solution, I will try turning off my wireless mouse.

I have a problem with my computer, even after a new hard drive "Reach" install of Windows 10, so a fresh Windows 10 install is being used. The problem is that my computer will, at seemingly random points in time during the night, reactivate my screen, after it has powered down.

I would like some kind of recursive diagnostic logger to help identify the cause of this issue down to the executable, daemon, rootkit, malware, or virus this may be.

Note: Only on my Win10 partition do I exhibit random "screen turn on experiences" with nothing in my log files. OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and Ubuntu 14.04.5 Desktop 64bit.

Living Room / Re: How's everyone doing this year?
« on: December 24, 2018, 08:50 PM »
Not typically a normal poster, but thought I'd chime in and say the rumors of my disappearance are well founded. I simply did not post here  ;D

I am having somewhat of a hard holiday due to my health issues, but nothing I can't tough out. Have had a lot of bad luck investing in open source, such as arduino and a cards against humanity clone server. The first has ended up seeing a somewhat limited lifespan, as now RPi will remain dominant and Adafruit migrating to micro python, and the cards against humanity server, well, the Canadian government shutdown the main server and I discovered bad people on mine so I shut it down as well. Was an expensive investment, keeping up a server no one would play on for months at a time. Digitalocean was a great host though!

Would love to have a meaningful discussion on here again sometime!

General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced
« on: June 25, 2016, 04:05 PM »
Asudem: Until July 29 you can probably just re-install Win 10. I downloaded the installer myself. If you can't reinstall Win 10 the way you did before because of the shorted USB port, it's a hardware problem not a software problem. You have until July 29th to get that fixed and reinstall Win 10.

That's my question. How do I download a Wndows installer on a currently operating Windows 10 machine?

General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced
« on: June 24, 2016, 09:42 PM »
This might have been answered somewhere in the thread, but I'm in a little predicament here...

Made the switch from 7 to 10 and it's just about the best upgrade I've ever done... however over the weekend I accidentally shorted a USB port and now I am getting many BSODs, random ones at that. I want to do a clean install of Windows 10 but have no idea how to get an installer without purchasing Windows 10 outright. I remember reading something about using my old Windows 7 key to get an installer?

I know the deadline for upgrading is coming up soon but I've already made the jump, I'm just not sure if I can obtain an installer after the deadline.

Heh.  It was cute.  But not as cool as the one where you throw the ball and the dog chases it.

WHAT! Link please!

I apologize if this has been shared before but I found this Pointer Pointer site EXTREMELY amusing!

Whew, never expected this thread to get resurrected.

I finally obtained a device that allows me to send MMS messages through C#, however finding a reasonably priced SIM card provider is just impossible.

Twillo is an option I looked into and may stick with, as I would just be sending a few MMS to a handful of numbers.

I haven't looked at my code in a while so I will go through it, clean it up, document, and post it when I get some time.


So my friend stars in this very odd... well it's odder than very odd.... but .... I think you have to just watch it...

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