Home | Blog | Software | Reviews and Features | Forum | Help | Donate | About us
topbanner_forum
  *

avatar image

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
  • September 30, 2016, 08:32:42 PM
  • Proudly celebrating 10 years online.
  • Donate now to become a lifetime supporting member of the site and get a non-expiring license key for all of our programs.
  • donate

Author Topic: Windows moving around after monitors wake up  (Read 21286 times)

mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 36,273
    • View Profile
    • Mouser's Software Zone on DonationCoder.com
    • Read more about this member.
    • Donate to Member
Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« on: February 20, 2014, 03:12:25 AM »
I am having a problem on my Win7 machine that I never had on my XP machine.

I have 4 monitors.   Overnight the monitors (not the computer) go to sleep.

When they wake up, some of the windows that were open on the desktop jump/move around to different monitors and resize.

It's really quite annoying.

Windows 7, Nvidia modern graphics cards with up to date drivers.

Any ideas how I might stop this from happening? Short of turning off the monitor sleep power options?
« Last Edit: February 20, 2014, 03:37:08 AM by mouser »

Ath

  • Supporting Member
  • Joined in 2006
  • **
  • Posts: 2,751
    • View Profile
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2014, 03:41:23 AM »
How are the monitors connected to the computer? HDMI, DP, DVI, VGA?

mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 36,273
    • View Profile
    • Mouser's Software Zone on DonationCoder.com
    • Read more about this member.
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 03:47:49 AM »
all dvi, except one displayport.

Ath

  • Supporting Member
  • Joined in 2006
  • **
  • Posts: 2,751
    • View Profile
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 05:29:58 AM »
Well, with modern display-drivers and screens, it seems the entire display is inhibited when in standby/off, and Windows shakes/resizes all it's visible windows to the last, or the primary, awake monitor it still sees. And also resets the other virtual screens to something like 640x480 pixels.
I see this behavior on my dual-DP setup, where I leave the (work) computer running overnight, but turn off the screens to preserve some power. Any window I leave open is moved and resized to the left-upper 640x480 of my primary monitor :(
My current solution is to close all (well, almost all) applications, auto-saving their last window-positions and sizes, and re-opening them the next morning. Exceptions here are Outlook, that I minimize to the tray by default, and other trayed apps like SSC, that aren't affected, unless I forget to minimize them.

Haven't found a solution, other than to minimize all windows to the system-tray, to avoid this behavior. But, I haven't yet done a thorough search for this either :-[

skwire

  • Global Moderator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,634
    • View Profile
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2014, 06:34:41 AM »
FWIW, I run dual monitors and I DON'T experience this behaviour.  W7/64

Stoic Joker

  • Honorary Member
  • Joined in 2008
  • **
  • Posts: 6,265
    • View Profile
    • www.StoicJoker.com
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2014, 06:46:36 AM »
FWIW, I run dual monitors and I DON'T experience this behaviour.  W7/64

Me either. I just jumped from Win7 with 2 22" 1920x1080 DVI monitors to Win8.1 with the same monitors but they are now DisplayPort with a DVI adapter. I have T-Clock auto sleep the monitors on session lock (Win+L) and nothing ever moves.

The only time I have seen this type of behavior is if I've been connected to the machine remotely. Then all bets are off as to where any given window will end up. With the old Win7 machine being a bit slow it would put on quite a show as they bounced all over hell trying to find where to be. But again, that was only if I had been connected remotely which already has to force everything from both screens into one smaller (at the house) screen so it was rather predictable behavior wise.

mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 36,273
    • View Profile
    • Mouser's Software Zone on DonationCoder.com
    • Read more about this member.
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2014, 08:53:14 AM »
Quote
The only time I have seen this type of behavior is if I've been connected to the machine remotely.

I do use a remote connection sometimes..

I think what i'll try is:
1. making sure no remote connection is open, and see if that makes a difference.
2. try changing the ont displayport connector to dvi and see if that makes a difference.

Curt

  • Supporting Member
  • Joined in 2006
  • **
  • Posts: 7,045
    • View Profile
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2014, 09:22:07 AM »
if the problems not have gone away, I would try to install a program like DisplayFusion (one doesn't have to change wallpapers just because a wallpaper-changer is included) or Actual Multiple Monitors from Actual Window Manager. They both offer you to create monitor profiles that Windows should obey.


« Last Edit: February 20, 2014, 10:12:16 AM by Curt, Reason: awm »

Fishous

  • Participant
  • Joined in 2013
  • *
  • default avatar
  • Posts: 4
    • View Profile
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2014, 06:04:51 AM »
I'm also on Win7-64, 4 monitors, latest NVidia drivers, displays turn off 15 minutes, computer never. I don't have the problem.

1. Try setting no screensaver. If a screensaver changes the resolution, that could cause the issue.

2. It could be that the monitors are not waking up fast enough, you might be able to test this by cycling the power on the monitor before waking the computer up. It may or may not work.

3. If you're using a login screen when it wakes up, if that login screen is custom and changes the resolution, that could cause it.

4. The event logs might tell you something as well.

5. Do you have the taskbar set to auto-hide?


Josh

  • Charter Honorary Member
  • Joined in 2005
  • ***
  • Points: -5
  • Posts: 3,395
    • View Profile
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2014, 06:19:13 AM »
Mouser, I have had problems in the past where, if I remote in on a machine with a lower desktop resolution, the icons will end up jumbled on the actual desktop when I log back in at the console. That had me puzzled at first but I figured it out. The only way around it is to use a "Icon position saving" tool and have it restore the position after you RDP in.

mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 36,273
    • View Profile
    • Mouser's Software Zone on DonationCoder.com
    • Read more about this member.
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2014, 03:31:56 AM »
Thanks for all of the suggestions, folks.

To narrow down the causes, I have replaced the one displayport connection with a DVI, so now they are all on DVI (a note to myself about the importance of using DUAL-LINK DVI cable here.

I will report on whether this fixes the problem.

To answer some of the questions above:
My screensaver doesn't change resolution.
I am using UltraMon to manager multi-monitor taskbars.
No login screen on wake.

Josh

  • Charter Honorary Member
  • Joined in 2005
  • ***
  • Points: -5
  • Posts: 3,395
    • View Profile
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2014, 12:06:39 PM »
Mouser, when you remote into the system, is the host system you are remoting in from setup with a lower screen resolution? If so, that will affect your icon placement when you remote in.

mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 36,273
    • View Profile
    • Mouser's Software Zone on DonationCoder.com
    • Read more about this member.
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2014, 01:05:53 PM »
its not icon placement that's the issue (i dont have any icons on my desktop); i also use a 3rd party remote access tool (Radmin) that doesnt do any resolution changing, so that's not it -- and i never had this trouble with the same arrangement on winxp.  however the graphics card and monitor have changed and the use of displayport is new.

i suspect it might be what someone else suggested, one of my monitors not waking up fast enough (or too fast), confusing the system.  maybe displayport is affecting this as well.  we shall soon know because i just swapped out the displayport connector for dvi.

Fishous

  • Participant
  • Joined in 2013
  • *
  • default avatar
  • Posts: 4
    • View Profile
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2014, 06:21:45 AM »
Have you tried running without Ultramon?

mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 36,273
    • View Profile
    • Mouser's Software Zone on DonationCoder.com
    • Read more about this member.
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2014, 07:53:54 AM »
If displayport proves to not be the culprit, i'll move to ultramon next -- but i've always used ultramon and it's never done such a thing before so i don't suspect it as highly as i suspect displayport.

Stoic Joker

  • Honorary Member
  • Joined in 2008
  • **
  • Posts: 6,265
    • View Profile
    • www.StoicJoker.com
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2014, 08:59:35 AM »
its not icon placement that's the issue (i dont have any icons on my desktop); i also use a 3rd party remote access tool (Radmin) that doesnt do any resolution changing, so that's not it

I'm not familiar with Radmin, but I wouldn't rule out Josh quite so quickly. The icon movements follow a similar side effect pattern as the windows do. Even if Radmin tries to create a multi monitor view for a single remote monitor - which causes/allows you to side scroll to the others - it still may be needing to adlib some of the view's content.

and i never had this trouble with the same arrangement on winxp.

Remember XP's desktop was/is bitmap based while Win7 and up windows are all 3d objects, so the margin for error - while Radmin tries to replicate the remote content - can be a bit higher especially if it is at some point trying to convert it.

Have you looked at Radmin's support site (assuming they have one) to see of other people are commenting about this behavior?

mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 36,273
    • View Profile
    • Mouser's Software Zone on DonationCoder.com
    • Read more about this member.
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2014, 01:09:55 PM »
So far changing the one monitor from DisplayPort to DVI seems to have fixed the problem.. Stay tuned..

Deozaan

  • Charter Member
  • Joined in 2006
  • ***
  • Points: 1
  • Posts: 7,651
    • View Profile
    • The Blog of Deozaan
    • Read more about this member.
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2014, 05:52:21 PM »
Any update on this, mouser?

I've been experiencing the same issue on my single display setup since I switched to using a 4K TV as my "monitor". Somewhere during the process of having the display sleep and wake up, the resolution seems to get changed temporarily (I never see it lowered). So when the display wakes up, all my windows are crowded/resized toward the top left of the screen.

I'm connecting using HDMI.


mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 36,273
    • View Profile
    • Mouser's Software Zone on DonationCoder.com
    • Read more about this member.
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2014, 06:01:10 PM »
I solved the problem by switching from a DisplayPort cable to a DVI cable.

francis826

  • Participant
  • Joined in 2014
  • *
  • default avatar
  • Posts: 1
    • View Profile
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2014, 04:44:17 PM »
I just purchased the ASUS PB287Q (4k @ 60Hz) and I am running into the same issue. I am only using this one monitor for now and unfortunately I HAVE to run this with Displayport 1.2 to get the 60Hz @ 4K resolution.

I'm running windows 7 Ultimate and have a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti.

After my research, some monitors don't keep the ports "alive" when they are powered down.

As a result, when windows reboots or comes out of sleep, it can't detect a monitor, so it sets resolution to it's "SIMULATED" monitor registry entry in the key at;
HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\GraphicsDrivers\Configuration

This can be manually edited to contain the actual screen registration of your default monitor.

Discussion: http://answers.micro...4a-8c69-1a68fbd106aa
« Last Edit: October 25, 2014, 04:53:10 PM by francis826 »

mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 36,273
    • View Profile
    • Mouser's Software Zone on DonationCoder.com
    • Read more about this member.
    • Donate to Member
Re: Windows moving around after monitors wake up
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2014, 08:52:47 PM »
Great find, Francis.  Thank you for sharing.