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101  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 28, 2014, 10:35:39 AM
So I wanted to go get the tablet this weekend.  I went to the mall, where the microsoft store is supposedly.  Here's my experience, and why microsoft basically annoyed me:
--There's not store, just a booth in the middle of the mall.  I kind of already knew this.
--I walked up to play with the tablet.  I was intentionally avoiding eye contact with the rep there, who is like breathing down my neck.  Can you stand at least 3 feet away?
--After playing with it for about 5 awkward minutes, I finally tell the guy I'm ready to buy this one.
--So he asks which model do i want?  I chose one of the i7 models.
--he says that's not available.  ok...this whole trip is now a waste of time.  it will be available 8/1.  Maybe I should have known this, but I don't understand what Microsoft's strategy here is.  Probably something to do with their inventory issues and this non-store situation.
--Says do I want to preorder?  I'm like ok.
--Then he tries to convince me to get the i5 machines, saying there isn't any reason to get i7 other than autocad or something.  He was just trying to sell the i5 because it was in stock.
--Then I ask, do I have to pick it up at this place?  He says yes.  I say, what's the point of preordering then?  I can order online and get it shipped or picked up wherever I want. 

Such a weird, unsatisfying experience.  I got a hot dog on a stick and left.
102  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 24, 2014, 06:20:16 PM
This probably isn't really what superboyac is looking for, but for an extremely reasonable price on a used 10.1 inch Android tablet, I highly recommend Digicircle. They only give you a 30 day warranty - a no DOA guarantee basically - and you have to pay attention since they also sell as-is units, but I've bought quite a few items from them and never had a complaint. In fact I just recently bought my daughter a low end Westinghouse 32 inch TV for $130 for a graduation present and a 10.1 inch Asus Android tablet (for $120 IIRC) for her birthday.

The tablet was specifically for use with ebooks in college. I didn't buy an ebook reader app for her, but I have to second the suggestions for Montano and Moon+. Both have outstanding interfaces and are well worth the minimal cost. If we're talking just ePub format books, even the free (open source) reader available from numerous devs is still better than anything you'll find for Windows, regardless of which interface you're talking about.
Nice!  I've bookmarked it since they have good deals, thanks.

I like Moon+ also, it's my preferred reader on Android.  I still use ezpdf because it was the only one that could do seamless vertical scrolling, I did try Montano also.  But it's been 3-4 years by now,maybe Montano's features have increased, will give it a shot.
103  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 24, 2014, 09:02:26 AM
I use two different Android tablets for reading, depending on the document.  For ePub books, which can reflow and resize text, I mostly use a Nexus 7 (2013), which has 1920x1080 resolution and is very light and feels like a light paperback when held in the hand. For larger documents, like 8.5x11 pdf papers, as well as heavily illustrated books, I use a Nexus 10, which has a 2560x1600 screen resolution. Both of these tablets have magnetic covers that turn the display off when you close them, making the reading experience feel even more like a book.  Also, both the Kindle and Nook for Android apps have now improved to the point where they provide a much superior reading experience than the Windows versions, when you are reading books purchased from those sources.
This makes a lot of sense, I would probably end up doing this as well.  The only reason why I'm not going after the nexus devices is because i'm expecting the new ones to come out soon.
104  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Homebrewing on: July 23, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
it's like drinking warm piss. Oh... got a story about that, but, maybe later.

You got a story about drinking warm piss?!? O_o ...Was this during a trip to Brazil by chance??


I soooooo do not want to hear this story! tongue
I agree with 40.  Gross.




Ren, PM me the story please.
105  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 23, 2014, 03:17:03 PM
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You don't get notifications when the device is asleep (or sometimes ever, in the case of IMs). The email app expects to have a live connection to the server and cannot reflect actions like flagging or deleting email in a responsive fashion. Your phone makes a note to delete the email when you're in cell range and hides the message immediately. The Metro app just acts like it has ignored your attempt to delete a message while it frantically tries to connect to the server.

This is what I was talking about with the connectivity.
I see, yes that's annoying.  For me, I don't think it will be very important.  I think i'll just be using it as a portable desktop rather than some kind of mobile device.  I'm guessing i'm not going to be using the metro apps much.  I've always been a third party guy anyway.  I rarely use any stock windows programs other than Office.  i'll go third party just for the principle of it, lol.
106  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 23, 2014, 12:59:37 PM
One apparently REALLY DUMB thing MS has done with the SP3 is this:
The SP3 is slower than the SP2.  Because of the power management issues and some kind of throttling when it reaches a certain heat.  So stupid, microsoft.  Microsoft is turning into the Sony of previous decades.  Make genius hardware and completely ruin the implementation/marketing.  SUpposedly, this can be fixed with a firmware update.  It's really the most ridiculous thing i've heard about the surface.  imagine getting a new iphone and finding out it's actually a little slower than the previous model.  that would never fly.
107  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 23, 2014, 12:54:47 PM
I found this on reddit, i want to comment on it:
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The hardware is pretty impressive. The digitizer is excellent, the pressure sensitivity is basically perfect in OneNote and seems sufficient in art applications. The folding stand is useful in almost all situations.

The real issue is Windows 8.1: It's nowhere near ready as a tablet OS. If you put a keyboard on your Surface and use it as a laptop you might not care. If you try to use it without a keyboard as a pure tablet you are going to run into problems constantly. Everything that's not a Metro app (and that's every app you've ever used, for the most part) is a second class citizen in Windows 8.1, relegated to the desktop. The "desktop" acts like a single metro app, so all of your legacy applications are all stacked in there. Some of those apps aren't going to cope well with the scaling required for the super high res display.

All of the Metro apps for core "tablet" activities like email, IM, and web browsing are glaringly inferior to what you're used to on iOS or Android. You don't get notifications when the device is asleep (or sometimes ever, in the case of IMs). The email app expects to have a live connection to the server and cannot reflect actions like flagging or deleting email in a responsive fashion. Your phone makes a note to delete the email when you're in cell range and hides the message immediately. The Metro app just acts like it has ignored your attempt to delete a message while it frantically tries to connect to the server. Metro IE is very basic. Oh, you think you'll just install Chrome? Chrome is horribly broken when placed in Metro mode on a Surface Pro 3 (and it's hard to get out, because it doesn't manage to draw the half of the screen with the menu that lets you escape!). Chrome on the desktop has all the problems of a desktop app on Windows 8 and a very poor UI for touch.

Metro OneNote is pretty awful (missing key features like handwriting recognition for your handwritten notes), but you can download OneNote 2013 for free and install it on the desktop (ah, the desktop again). With some work configuring the ribbon and the quick access tools it's really quite nice on the surface. It's actually so useful it has converted me to OneNote and I consider it to be the killer app for the surface.
So it sounds like most of the complaints are attributed to metro mode.  Well, if that's true, i just won't use metro mode.  I'm more interested in using desktop mode anyway.  I want to use my desktop programs. I feel like I must not be understanding how annoying desktop mode is with the tablet.

Can't we use third party tools to make the desktop experience better?  I can use LBC for bigger buttons or as a launcher.  THere's also truelaunchbar.  I can use a tool to customize swiping gestures.  I don't really mind if buttons or options are very small, but maybe there are tools to make things bigger.

Someone recommended this keyboard for use with the surface:
http://shop.lenovo.com/us...372B14F5BA7B12F1FF88E33C7

I think I agree, I've always liked the lenovo trackball.
108  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 23, 2014, 12:45:43 PM
I also like the fact that i can use my software like pdf xchange etc, which i prefer over my android reader (ezpdf). 

Do they have a native app?  If not... don't really plan to use it.  Non-native app use sucks unless you're not in tablet mode, i.e. have a keyboard installed.
really why?  no it's not native.  just regular.  I don't understand what could suck.

I think he's referring to the tablet required Finger Friendly Factor. I love the PDF Xchange application version for DT use, and am about to switch to it here at work on my 8.1p workstation. I did my best to make peace with the native Metro PDF viewer, but it just annoys the hell out of me (can't search/print/move the damn thing).

 So you're saying that PDF Xchange has an app version??
ok i see what you guys are saying.  it's an issue with navigation with the finger vs. mouse.  My assumption and experience from trying it out is that, yes, it's not perfect, but it's fine by me.  But maybe i haven't experienced something that you long term users have.

No, pdf xchange doesn't have an app version. I was just going to use it in desktop mode.
109  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 23, 2014, 11:45:49 AM
I also like the fact that i can use my software like pdf xchange etc, which i prefer over my android reader (ezpdf). 

Do they have a native app?  If not... don't really plan to use it.  Non-native app use sucks unless you're not in tablet mode, i.e. have a keyboard installed.
really why?  no it's not native.  just regular.  I don't understand what could suck.
110  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 23, 2014, 10:51:31 AM
I don't miss anything in my workflow by not using a tablet, except recently for one thing...reading.  So I want the SP3 basically to use as a reader.  Lol, i know it's overkill (aren't you guys used to me by now?). 

Anyway...I'm getting it this week.  Cool
I wouldn't call that overkill, I'd call it misapprehension.

I use my Android tablets mostly for reading and one reason I do is that the reading apps available on Android tablets are far better than anything equivalent on Windows.

There are a lot of very good reasons to get a Windows 8.1 tablet. Reading is NOT one of them.

That depends on your criteria. While I agree that the apps themselves for Android are far superior on the whole, if you're reading something that isn't well suited to a 7-8 inch screen, most Windows tablets are superior to most Android tablets. That was one of the reasons I ultimately decided to get my Transformer Book. An Android tablet with the same display size would still have been better for reading, but still a waste (for me) considering I can use it as a reasonably full featured laptop.

However, I would also consider anything bigger than around 10 inches poorly suited for reading anything unless you intend to lay it down most of the time. I also wouldn't even consider a tablet with a desktop processor.
Hmm, yes, this seems to be the case for me.  I want a larger screen for reading, like paper size.  I was testing some pdf's on a surface this weekend...I don't know about you, but i liked it a lot better than android.  It's just so fast and snappy.  I also like the fact that i can use my software like pdf xchange etc, which i prefer over my android reader (ezpdf).  we'll see, i think i'll like it a lot barring any hardware bugs.  of course, that's what i said about the windows phone 8, and it sucked.
111  Other Software / DC Gamer Club / Re: Extra Credits: Propaganda Games & Why Games Do Cthulhu Wrong on: July 22, 2014, 04:44:48 PM
 cheesy
keep it up guys!
112  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 22, 2014, 03:05:44 PM
those iOS music apps are pretty damn good.  Sounds like we're in the same situation with the different brands.

wraith, I'm a little confused by your post...
responsiveness:  i thought the surface tablet was VERY responsive.  What exactly was it not responsive with?  All my touches and swipes were as fast as can be with the desktop power things were very quick.

As far as skydrive and integration, that's a software issue, and doesn't seem to be a tablet issue, right?
Speaking of which, shouldn't a tablet running windows 8 PRO (not RT) have no issues with settings, apps, whatever?  These are all software issues, and I've never run into such an issue that can't be resolved by some kind of freeware or third-party tool.  Right?  Isn't that our experience with the desktop windows computer?  Unless it's a hardware issue, i can't see any real problems with using a windows tablet.

I say all this because I'm confused by complaints about the tablet that sound like they can be fixed with desktop methods.

In terms of responsiveness, don't look at it with only the interface there, or one app.  Put it under normal load.  It takes a *long* time and a *lot* of apps in the background to make my ipad slow down at all- so much so, that even with 15 apps normally backgrounded, I never see it.  Try that on the surface.  I dare you.  Especially if a background app is doing something.

The skydrive and integration is not a software issue.  It affects anything that deals with cloud access.  Which makes it an OS issue.  A couple of examples.

1. I was syncing up some things between cubby and dropbox using Otixio.  This is something that I do all the time on my iOS device and it works fine, even if it goes to sleep because if inactivity.  Not only did it crap out when it went to sleep on my venue, I ended up with duplicates, and partials.
2. I was working on a document stored on dropbox.  I got called away, and left it up.  The synced version was an older version when I accessed the same document on a different machine.  If I work on something in dropbox on iOS (or PC, truthfully) as long as its saved, it is available on the other machines.  I had the same experience with OneDrive.
3. One of the things I do regularly is read.  Comixology, Nook, etc.  If the power goes off during a transfer, the app is forever in a bad state in terms of what has synced and what has not.

One might say these are issues with the applications at hand, and they very well may be.  But they are common functions- so if it is the applications, the API shouldn't allow the disconnect (Especially in their own app).  And so the perceived problem on my part is with the platform, as it happens across apps- no matter whose fault it is.

Which brings me to another issue - power management.  The power management in the surface platform is based on desktop paradigms, in regards to sleep and such.  That just doesn't work on a mobile platform, IMO.
I see.  Yes, that sounds unpleasant!  Now that you mention it, I have read about users' complaints with the surface and power management...really strange stories.  It sounds like the Surface, even the SP3, has some buggy issues with the power management and wifi.

I wonder if even that can be resolved with some third party power management tools.

I have an ipad.  It's nice, but I basically stopped using it when I upgraded my phone.  I have an android tablet, same story.  I don't miss anything in my workflow by not using a tablet, except recently for one thing...reading.  So I want the SP3 basically to use as a reader.  Lol, i know it's overkill (aren't you guys used to me by now?).  

Anyway...I'm getting it this week.  Cool
113  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 22, 2014, 11:42:55 AM
those iOS music apps are pretty damn good.  Sounds like we're in the same situation with the different brands.

wraith, I'm a little confused by your post...
responsiveness:  i thought the surface tablet was VERY responsive.  What exactly was it not responsive with?  All my touches and swipes were as fast as can be with the desktop power things were very quick.

As far as skydrive and integration, that's a software issue, and doesn't seem to be a tablet issue, right?
Speaking of which, shouldn't a tablet running windows 8 PRO (not RT) have no issues with settings, apps, whatever?  These are all software issues, and I've never run into such an issue that can't be resolved by some kind of freeware or third-party tool.  Right?  Isn't that our experience with the desktop windows computer?  Unless it's a hardware issue, i can't see any real problems with using a windows tablet.

I say all this because I'm confused by complaints about the tablet that sound like they can be fixed with desktop methods.
114  Other Software / DC Gamer Club / Re: Extra Credits: Propaganda Games & Why Games Do Cthulhu Wrong on: July 22, 2014, 10:49:51 AM
I'm a big Lovecraft fan - but I'll +1 w/Stoic and tomos. These are games we're talking about. They don't really need to toe the line on Lovecraftian themes or nihilism to be good games.

However, if you're truly a Lovecraft fan, the only possible game involving Cthulhu would be preventing his minions or some misguided researchers from setting in motion a chain of events that will bring on the advent of what the Necronomicon calls the Strange Aeons where the Old Ones shall return to once again dominate and rule our dimension - "and even death may die."*

In short, you can't fight Cthulhu. Cthulhu is the failure state. If Cthulhu appears, the game is over.

The best possible win would be to simply survive - ideally with your sanity intact - till the game clock runs out. With Cthulhu, there is NO possible win - there's only stalling off your own inevitable failure. Your goal isn't to win the game. It's to not lose it. And that would not be the most satisfying outcome for the average gamer.

FWIW I've played some very good Lovecraft-themed games with heavy duty HP fans over the years. While these games were often extremely intense and very enjoyable to play, the "don't lose" end goal tended to leave all of us with a certain sense of frustration and futility by the end of the game. With Lovecraft, there's no real "feel good" ending possible. So unless you're a diehard fan like we are, that probably wouldn't have been considered a 'fun' evening for most people. Not that that's a bad thing for Lovecraft fans. That act of putting up a bold but ultimately pointless front in the face of utter hopelessness and cosmic dread is what makes Lovecraft so entertaining. At least for those of us mutants who have been bitten by the Cthulhu bug.

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*Note: losing to Cthulhu is a particularly nasty fate since Cthulhu is (among other things) an "eater of souls." Your very being becomes trapped like a fly in amber. Those "killed" by Cthulhu don't "die" in the usual sense. Your consciousness gets absorbed into the mind/person of Cthulhu, where it will get to explore the ceaseless and infinite number of ways you can suffer death and pain in Cthulhu's psychotic imagination.

Like Leviathan's Labyrinth in Clive Barker's Hellraiser stories (which Barker has said were heavily influenced by some of Lovecraft's themes and ideas) Cthulhu is the living embodiment of what we would consider to be hell in the most classic and literal sense. "Enter Ye into the place prepared for you from everlasting unto everlasting. Now Ye shall truly never die."

Such is the fate of those consumed by the eater of souls.

Wow! Bummer huh? Talk about something that could ruin your whole day... Grin
 (see attachment in previous post)

Evil beerchug
115  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 21, 2014, 11:45:41 PM
Which would I buy?  After my experience recently... none.  I really wanted a windows tablet, especially because I could code for it universally with my skillset I already possess.  Purchased a Dell Venue 8.  Sold it after trying for a couple of months to do anything similar to the experience I get on the iPad.

It just doesn't do the mobile experience well, from experience when downloading and the tablet sleeps, to limitations in applications that don't have similar limitations on iPad, to even using system menus and options (anything that's not in the system charm?  don't try to use it- it will still be built for standard windows.  and definitely not in portrait mode, as most are widescreen).

Wanted to like it, but wasn't successful in that.
wraith...if you ever felt like describing the excruciating details of your experience, I would totally enjoy reading it over my morning coffee.  I'm a little shocked to hear about any sort of limitations on windows that is not present in the ipad.  And weren't you one of the earlier users of the original windows tablets from way back 10 years ago?  I think that was you...
116  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 21, 2014, 11:42:52 PM
MS is still such an abrasive company these days, you don't even want to buy their good stuff.  This is my dilemma.  I don't like what the company is doing at all, but this tablet is really great.

FWIW I wouldnt let that stop me. Good is good
(are Apple or Google any more attractive these days!? - dont answer that or we'll go completely off-topic :p)
good point.
117  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: I'd like to get a Windows Tablet: help me decide. on: July 21, 2014, 03:45:02 PM
i was playing with the surface again yesterday.  Just from a practical standpoint, it feels so much better than ANY tablet I've ever tried.  The Windows 8 OS (Pro, not RT) is fantastic for a tablet.  Geez.  It's like light years difference from any other touch experience on the ipad or whatever.  it's soooooo much better.

MS is still such an abrasive company these days, you don't even want to buy their good stuff.  This is my dilemma.  I don't like what the company is doing at all, but this tablet is really great.  Reading pdf's on it is the greatest experience of reading pdf's on any device.

You know what I can't wait for?  The day when Linux starts being able to go on super-powered tablets.  That's going to destroy everything, and I would imagine google/apple/MS is terrified about that.  If I can go out, buy an i7 powered tablet with a 12" screen, install Linux on it...that's a huge game changer.
118  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Lazyload on: July 20, 2014, 06:14:48 PM
You guys working nights on a weekend yet just to solve my petty little problems!

Well that's DoCo I guess.  smiley

There's a bunch of us here with no personal lives. Wink  Grin
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119  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Oh god...It's him! on: July 17, 2014, 09:11:53 AM
Stephen###!
welcome back.
120  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What is the logic of bezier curves? (for Illustrator pen tool) on: July 15, 2014, 03:38:12 PM
I find this image useful:
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So from what I gather, it seems for each segment you dray, there's only a certain number of shapes that can be accomplished.  I need to understand these individual shapes.  I think what's confusing me are all these tutorials where they show you how to draw a whole thing, but I just need to understand what each segment can do, and I'll be able to go from there.
121  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / What is the logic of bezier curves? (for Illustrator pen tool) on: July 15, 2014, 11:36:26 AM
I've never quite gotten the hand of bezier curves, and it's a mental block.  I keep trying the tutorials, but I don't have the time to really do enough practice for me to get it naturally.  But, I know how I think...I need a logical explanation of how bezier curves work.  I don't want just practice, I want an explanation of the idea.

Like, "When a handle is like this, it is doing this and this, so it makes this sort of shape."

Anyway, I'm looking for good explanations.  There are tons of tutorials and explanations of how to get a shape, but hardly anything that just explains what it is and how all the parts work.

Wikipedia has some good, helpful animations.
122  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Does anyone understand what Android does with contact photos? on: July 15, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
I think, then, the best resolution for pictures for my phone will by anything square that is minimum 720x720, but can be larger without looking bad.  Also, I have to make sure I have whatever options turn off that makes android/google degrade the quality of photos.  I still don't know how that happens.  Google will noticeably reduce the quality of contact photos, but i can't tell when it does it.  Probably has something to do with syncing. 
123  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: Android: Looking for true app data backup solution on: July 14, 2014, 06:26:00 PM
A while back when I first got my otg cable, I was able to view my usb drive in twrp. I never tried to actually set it as my backup location tho. I assume it might work. BTW, are you using the free version of Titanium and rom toolbox, or the pro versions?
paid: both versions.
124  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: Android: Looking for true app data backup solution on: July 14, 2014, 05:56:27 PM
I use twrp. Is there a way to backup to a usb drive (via an OTG cable) since the N5 doesn't have external storage? The only problem with a nandroid backup is that I want to be able to "copy" all my apps and data to a different rom, which I can't do with a nandroid backup. I was reading that titanium backup can restore from twrp backups. I suppose if I can ever get titanium to actually backup the data, it might be an option.
I don't know of a direct way to do the usb thing.  But I have a couple of workarounds.  You can just manually transfer the file over with a file manager.  Another way is to use something like BTSync and it will automatically sync a folder on your phone to one on your computer when they are near each other (bluetooth or wifi).

But if I'm not mistaken, you may still be able to restore your apps with ROM toolbox (with a nandroid backup file) even if it's a different rom.  because there's an option for apps, apps and data, or system apps, or everything I think.  I've only tried it on the same rom but different versions, and it worked fine.

Apps restore fine with titanium from my experiences.  But the system stuff doesn't work well, even though it claims it does.  LIke accounts, customized rom settings, custom system apps and settings, they normally don't work well at all except with nandroid.
125  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: Android: Looking for true app data backup solution on: July 14, 2014, 05:41:30 PM
I also have a nexus 5, and I've gone through this.  Here's my story...

The two apps I use for this sort of stuff:
ROM Toolbox
Titanium Backup

ROM Toolbox is definitely the more versatile program and the one to get if you're only going to get one.   It can do everything Titanium does basically, and much more. However, Titanium is sometimes preferred in specific situations.

ROM Toolbox can backup your apps, app data, system apps, etc.  So can Titanium.  But Titanium can keep multiple copies of backups, which is really the only thing it does better.  When I'm restoring just a single app, I go to titanium (no good reason).

Now, all this aside, it's easy to screw up an intended backup/restore procedure when you are installing a new ROM or something.  Things don't restore the way you expect, settings are gone, etc.  And it's not always easy to figure out why.  So here comes...

"Nandroid"
Nandroid, is like a noun/verb (very confusing) that basically means an image of your phone.  You can only do a Nandroid outside of the OS (like in twrp or cwm).  THis is definitely my preferred restoring method.  When I restore my system (all apps, settings, anything) using a Nandroid, everything restores perfectly.  If I try to restore within android using titanium or ROM toolbox doesn't work nearly as well.

So how do you make a nandroid?  From ROM toolbox, you backup your ROM.  It will reboot and do it automatically.

Hope that helps.
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