Welcome Guest.   Make a donation to an author on the site November 23, 2014, 08:46:50 PM  *

Please login or register.
Or did you miss your validation email?


Login with username and password (forgot your password?)
Why not become a lifetime supporting member of the site with a one-time donation of any amount? Your donation entitles you to a ton of additional benefits, including access to exclusive discounts and downloads, the ability to enter monthly free software drawings, and a single non-expiring license key for all of our programs.


You must sign up here before you can post and access some areas of the site. Registration is totally free and confidential.
 
Free DonationCoder.com Member Kit: Submit Request.
   
   Forum Home   Thread Marks Chat! Downloads Search Login Register  
Poll
Question: Poll : What is the most useless key on the keyboard  (Voting closed: March 12, 2007, 08:18:00 PM)
Caps Lock - 1 (1.8%)
Windows Key - 2 (3.6%)
Right or left Arrow - 0 (0%)
Num Lock - 1 (1.8%)
~ - 3 (5.4%)
f5 (or other f keys) - 0 (0%)
insert - 3 (5.4%)
Other - 3 (5.4%)
Dont care - 0 (0%)
scroll lock - 37 (66.1%)
The other Windows Key - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 53

Pages: [1] 2 Next   Go Down
  Reply  |  New Topic  |  Print  
Author Topic: Poll : What is the most useless key on the keyboard  (Read 11396 times)
brett
Charter Member
***
Posts: 125



Australia

see users location on a map View Profile Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« on: February 10, 2007, 07:22:03 AM »

If you had to physically remove a key from your keyboard, what one could you do without.

It has to be a single key, so combinations are not allowed.
No multimedia extra buttons are in this poll, just a standard keyboard.

This poll is to find out what keys might be good to use for shortcuts in small/quick scripts.

After this poll has finished, I will also do a poll for the most annoying Key on the Keyboard.

poll runs for 30days

Brett




« Last Edit: February 10, 2007, 05:05:23 PM by brett » Logged
jgpaiva
Global Moderator
*****
Posts: 4,711



Artificial Idiocy

see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2007, 07:31:56 AM »

Add more options!! More specifically a "other" option and "don't care" option.
For me, the most useless (and also the most anoying) key in my keyboard is definitelly the 'insert' key. I always wondered why people invented that thing. I even removed it from my external keyboard, because i kept inadvertely pressing it, and overwriting stuff!
« Last Edit: February 10, 2007, 07:37:56 AM by jgpaiva » Logged

nudone
Cody's Creator
Columnist
***
Posts: 4,116



see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2007, 07:35:48 AM »

can't vote as there isn't a 'scroll lock' or an 'insert'. i'd include 'pause break' but mouser found a use for that key. i guess numlock doesn't have much use if you don't use the arrow keys on the numpad - who does?
Logged
kfitting
Charter Member
***
Posts: 574


View Profile Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2007, 08:51:51 AM »

Well, at work I press scroll lock all the time - it's part of my KVM's hotkey (uncustomizable). 

But, I would have to say that the "right-click" key is the most unused key on my keyboard.

The other two that are right up there are right-ctrl and right-alt, in that order.

Kevin
Logged
cranioscopical
Friend of the Site
Supporting Member
**
Posts: 4,195



see users location on a map View Profile Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2007, 09:33:55 AM »

Quote
i guess numlock doesn't have much use if you don't use the arrow keys on the numpad - who does?
I do.

(Personally, I always find f29 to be a bit of a stretch, though.)
Logged

Chris
nudone
Cody's Creator
Columnist
***
Posts: 4,116



see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2007, 09:41:50 AM »

Well, at work I press scroll lock all the time - it's part of my KVM's hotkey (uncustomizable). 

But, I would have to say that the "right-click" key is the most unused key on my keyboard.

The other two that are right up there are right-ctrl and right-alt, in that order.

Kevin

you are right, kfitting. these keys are so useless i had completely forgotten that they were there: alt-gr (or right alt), right winkey, right click menu key and right ctrl.

i can honestly say that i think i've never hit the right winkey - not even out of curiosity.
Logged
jgpaiva
Global Moderator
*****
Posts: 4,711



Artificial Idiocy

see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2007, 09:46:20 AM »

Notice that there's no right winkey, num-lock or scrl-lock in laptops!
(actually, there's num-lock and scrl-lock, but you can only get to those through fn-key, which renders those unnusable)
Logged

app103
That scary taskbar girl
Global Moderator
*****
Posts: 5,326



see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2007, 10:30:33 AM »

The turbo key.

All the combos except turbo+F11 don't even work. (and I can even live without that combo)
Logged

drumtrucker
Supporting Member
**
Posts: 4


View Profile Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2007, 01:00:02 PM »


the 'enter' key
Logged
tranglos
Supporting Member
**
Posts: 1,079



see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2007, 02:08:19 PM »

For me, the most useless (and also the most anoying) key in my keyboard is definitelly the 'insert' key. I always wondered why people invented that thing. I even removed it from my external keyboard, because i kept inadvertely pressing it, and overwriting stuff!

Heh, I can't live without Insert. Word has always had a fantastic feature which makes Insert work as Ctrl+V, ie Paste. It's much, much faster that way for me. I find Ctrl+Insert for Copy fast than Ctrl+C too, perhaps because I'm better at using my right hand.

I carried that over to some of the programs I've written, using Insert to mean "add new [thing]", where "thing" is whatever the program is designed to handle, e.g. add a new address in an addressbook, add a new password in a password manager, etc.

The upshot is, I cannot work with any of the newer keyboards where the insert/delete/home/end/pgup/pgdn keys are not arranged in two rows, 3+3. Any other layout and I'm helpless smiley
« Last Edit: February 10, 2007, 02:16:13 PM by tranglos » Logged

tranglos
Supporting Member
**
Posts: 1,079



see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2007, 02:15:36 PM »

I've voted Scroll Lock, because very few programs use it anymore. But it does have a useful function - when engaged, you should be able to scroll any window without moving the caret. It still works in Excel 2003, but has been mostly forgotten by programmers today. It's great when you want to scroll to see something in a document but don't want to lose your current position. It's more or less the same as scrolling with the wheel without ever clicking the document anywhere.

Other than that, I'd vote for Pause/Break, which has absolutely no purpose in a multitasking OS, but now that I'm using mouser's Find and Run Robot, the Break key is back in action.
Logged

tranglos
Supporting Member
**
Posts: 1,079



see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2007, 02:21:25 PM »

But, I would have to say that the "right-click" key is the most unused key on my keyboard.

The other two that are right up there are right-ctrl and right-alt, in that order.

All this goes to show is that no keys should ever be removed, ever smiley

I love the right-click key, because it gives me the context menu without using the mouse. Shift+F10 should also do that, but many programs ignore it or override with other functionality.

Right ctrl is awfully useful for clipboard and navigation actions with home/end/insert/delete keys. And without right alt you couldn't type national characters in any non-Western language. Right Alt (sometimes called AltGr, for "alternate graphic") adds all the twiggly tails and accent marks to latin characters. I couldn't type in Polish at all without right alt.

On edit: Wikipedia has a whole article on AltGr, quite informative too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altgr
« Last Edit: February 10, 2007, 02:26:50 PM by tranglos » Logged

cthorpe
Discount Coordinator
Supporting Member
**
Posts: 719


c++thorpe

see users location on a map View Profile Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2007, 02:37:41 PM »

I voted for Caps Lock.  I don't need permanent caps, and my students are always freaking out because it gets turned on and they forget about it.  Many of my students still insist on using it to make capital letters rather than holding shift.

Carl
Logged
jgpaiva
Global Moderator
*****
Posts: 4,711



Artificial Idiocy

see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2007, 03:44:27 PM »

I support the "don't kill altgr" motion because i need it for {[]}@£§. I also support the "don't kill caps lock" motion, i use it while typing smiley
Logged

edbro
Charter Member
***
Posts: 425

see users location on a map View Profile Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2007, 04:18:05 PM »

Notice that there's no right winkey, num-lock or scrl-lock in laptops!
(actually, there's num-lock and scrl-lock, but you can only get to those through fn-key, which renders those unnusable)
Hmmm, my HP laptop has a Win key.

No key is useless if you use a macro program. Personally, I use Powerpro (freeware) to assign macros, menus, functions, etc to all kinds of keys and key combinations.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2007, 04:19:55 PM by edbro » Logged
mouser
First Author
Administrator
*****
Posts: 33,692



see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2007, 06:56:01 PM »

I think Brett secretly hates num lock.. he's trying to rig this poll against it by mentioning it twice.  Angry
Logged
brett
Charter Member
***
Posts: 125



Australia

see users location on a map View Profile Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2007, 07:14:46 PM »

Ooops, thanks mouser

have changed the second Num Lock to 'The other windows key'
The one on the right of the space bar, between Alt and Cntrl, at least on my keyboard.
Some menu key of sorts, at least I dont use it.   smiley


Thanks
 Brett
Logged
Darwin
Charter Member
***
Posts: 6,979



see users location on a map View Profile Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2007, 09:58:50 PM »

Like kfitting, if the Right Mouse button key had been an option I would have gone for it (it's what I had in mind as I navigated to this thread to vote). As it is, Scroll lock is a key that I use even less so I happily voted for it instead. At least the Right Mouse Button key has an appreciable function and it's convenient when typing to hit it to invoke the context menu..
Logged

"Some people have a way with words, other people,... oh... have not way" - Steve Martin
kfitting
Charter Member
***
Posts: 574


View Profile Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2007, 06:01:25 AM »

Caps lock is a must have!  I do CAD drafting at work and it's essential when all text on a drawing is supposed to be uppercase.

Kevin
Logged
jgpaiva
Global Moderator
*****
Posts: 4,711



Artificial Idiocy

see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2007, 06:25:01 AM »

I think that the 2 best keys for this kind of thing are the windows key and the right-click key.
Notice that none of the two will lose thir original use when used as modifiers for scripts.
The right-click key can still be pressed and released and you get the same behaviour. The only difference would be that when you press it and another key at the same time, you get a different behaviour.
Another key i use on my scripts (the ones for personal use) as modifier is the '<' key.
Logged

katykaty
Supporting Member
**
Posts: 221


View Profile Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2007, 10:33:56 AM »

The one in the top left corner next to the numbers - with a capital L laying on its side, an apostrophe swaying over at 45 degrees, and a vertical line.
Logged
Lashiec
Member
**
Posts: 2,374


see users location on a map View Profile Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2007, 07:41:14 AM »

I'm split between the "Insert" key, and the "Scroll Lock" one. Does anyone knows the utility of these keys? huh
Logged
tranglos
Supporting Member
**
Posts: 1,079



see users location on a map View Profile WWW Read user's biography. Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2007, 07:54:22 AM »

I'm split between the "Insert" key, and the "Scroll Lock" one. Does anyone knows the utility of these keys? huh

Yeah, see my post above smiley
Logged

CWuestefeld
Supporting Member
**
Posts: 942



see users location on a map View Profile WWW Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2007, 10:42:37 AM »

I have a coworker who actually physically removes his CapsLock key.

For me, I'd kill SysRq if it weren't attached to PrintScreen. Its story is just too sad, at least as I heard it. At a hardware level, this key is what should carry the ctl-alt-del function of Windows: it's interrupt isn't maskable even when some rogue process has run away with your CPU. But MS dropped the ball on this decades ago.
Logged



tomos
Charter Member
***
Posts: 8,694



see users location on a map View Profile WWW Give some DonationCredits to this forum member
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2007, 12:44:45 PM »

I voted caps lock,
but:
just got the idea here lately to "swap" Ctrl & Caps Lock keys (in some thread where they were talking about Wordstar amongst others ..)

I personally have disabled Apps (context menu) key, (well now it's Ctrl as well, courtesy AHK) -
cause I keep hitting it by mistake when using Ctrl+__ combinations. (Bad [lefthanded] keyboard user!)

Quote from: Brett
This poll is to find out what keys might be good to use for shortcuts in small/quick scripts.
I think right windows key would be a good choice - I never use it - not even accidentally  smiley

Scoll Key - didn't even know it - anyone know what its called on a german keyboard .. ahh, "Rollen" I guess, I've never used it.
just checked:
"English" Laptop (Old IBM thinkpad) has only one key Num Lck/Scrl Lck (works with shift i guess)

Dug out an english speaking keyboard - has "Turbo" but dont think theres an equivalent on the deutsch one

EDIT: changed vote to "other windows key"
« Last Edit: February 12, 2007, 12:48:54 PM by tomos » Logged

Tom
Pages: [1] 2 Next   Go Up
  Reply  |  New Topic  |  Print  
 
Jump to:  
   Forum Home   Thread Marks Chat! Downloads Search Login Register  

DonationCoder.com | About Us
DonationCoder.com Forum | Powered by SMF
[ Page time: 0.057s | Server load: 0.11 ]