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Author Topic: What's the future of OneNote?  (Read 638 times)

superboyac

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What's the future of OneNote?
« on: October 01, 2019, 11:13 AM »
I didn't want to ruin Iainb's nice onenote thread for this, so im starting this thread...

What's the deal?  I was so annoyed to find out Onenote 2019 doesn't exist and they've replaced it with the eponymous "Onenote" that is not even a regular download, only a store download?  But even beyond that, they have completely revamped the interface.  Nothing wrong with it really, even some things are nice.  It is quite different than the previous versions.

The BIGGEST PROBLEM is that it seems to not be able to open, import, export etc the previous notebooks the same way.  I didn't experiment fully since I immediately ran to Onenote 2016 to make sure all my notes were safe.  But it seems to demand you to sign into your MS account to work, and probably all your notes need to be synced or at least available for syncing.  Very annoying.

There would be no problem if they didnt mess with the Open, Import, Export options.  but they did of course. 

So what does this mean?  If this is the end of locally stored onenote files, then it's time i once again move to another program.  Like Rightnote, which i already used pretty heavily until IAINB DEMANDED I USE ONENOTE!!!

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if rightnote could somehow mimic the whiteboard aspect of onenote, that would be great.

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Re: What's the future of OneNote?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2019, 03:31 PM »
FWIW DoogiePIM has 'Noteboard' which is close to OneNote, however there is no OneNote sync or mobile version

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Re: What's the future of OneNote?
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2019, 08:35 PM »
http://onenote-for-b.../onenote-office-2019

My notebooks are in the cloud, so I see them in the one note app (even though I'm still using 2016) and can sync between them.

And a big FU on the FAQ page

https://support.offi...3ed71a3c2103#bkmk_12

How do I access my local notebooks in OneNote for Windows 10?

In the latest versions of OneNote, your notebooks are stored in the cloud so you can access them from anywhere.

If you have any local notebooks, you can move them to OneDrive or SharePoint Online, so you can access your notes from anywhere. On-Premises SharePoint is also supported. To get started, simply open OneNote for Windows 10 and follow these instructions to move your notebooks to OneDrive. OneNote always keeps a copy of your notes cached on your device, so you can access them even if you’re offline.

We understand and respect that some people might not want any data stored in the cloud. For the vast majority of OneNote customers, however, having access to their notes on all their devices is a core part of the value of OneNote. We know that this means some of you might look for other solutions, and we understand. We have an open file format that other note-taking apps and developers can use to export notes from OneNote.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2019, 08:45 PM by wraith808 »

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Re: What's the future of OneNote?
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2019, 09:14 PM »
In other words:
"You don't like the cloud then leave, we don't give a $#&%"

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Re: What's the future of OneNote?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2019, 01:28 PM »
@rgdot:
In other words:
"You don't like the cloud then leave, we don't give a $#&%"
 :D
Well, at least it's a rather clear statement of future OneNote direction from MS  :o  - one that I hadn't seen before, but which apparently expressly excludes that sector of the market that wants/needs to hold its databases on local devices (PCs, laptops).
I wonder whether all of MS Office (i.e., not just OneNote) is being sunsetted in the same way? Not sure whether that idea would meet my requirements.
Another Q I have now: Why didn't MS sunset Microsoft Money in the same way (migrate to the Cloud)? They could have done, and the market was clearly headed in that direction.   :tellme:

In my OneNote experiments, I've migrated my Notebooks to the cloud, and it's been pretty much rock-solid stability and dependability for those Cloud-based Notebooks, and a real boon for when I move to using another laptop.
However, I'm now wondering whether I will in fact be able to revert and migrate my Notebooks back to the local device, or even use the backups locally that I have made along the way.
Just supposing: Maybe it's a "gotcha" - "Oh, didn't we tell you there's no going back?"    ;D
 
Google led the way when they introduced the Chromebook, Suddenly, there was another generically useful bunch of Cloud apps that didn't need an expensive DOS/Windows-based device, but was compatible with them anyway (because the Cloud apps are Agnostic in terms of OS dependency).  Shock horror for MS.
So are MS heading in the same direction?

Incidentally, I came across  this today: (might be of use, but it's just migrating to another Cloud-only system)
evimsync
Sync Evernote notes with IMAP, Import Evernote to Onenote
EvImSync is a simple tool to sync notes between Evernote and GMail Evernote2Onenote is a tool to import Evernote notes to OneNote.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2019, 01:41 PM by IainB »

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Re: What's the future of OneNote?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2019, 10:50 PM »
OneNote 2016 is not being sunsetted, and is the recommended path if you want to keep your local notebooks, and is available for download if you have O365.  It's just a strongly worded suggestion at this point.

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Re: What's the future of OneNote?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2019, 01:17 PM »
 
I'm equally frustrated with the move to make Onenote a web app.
While not sure how effective it will be, I encourage everyone to let Microsoft know. Not sure the best way to do that.  The Uservoice???


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Re: What's the future of OneNote?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2019, 01:37 PM »

I'm equally frustrated with the move to make Onenote a web app.
While not sure how effective it will be, I encourage everyone to let Microsoft know. Not sure the best way to do that.  The Uservoice???


I like MS and their products have changed my life for the better.  But when it comes to listening to user requests and successfully implementing them, they are almost silent on that end.  I never thought they would do this to Onenote, which was the one application they did that was done almost perfectly top to bottom, and people thought of it that way.
Just one example....MS Word and styles.  Styles are a hugely fundamental aspect of MS word, and very powerful.  In 30 years, it seems they have not even in a minor way changed any of those features, which are klunky at best, and some bugs which are terrifying from an end-user perspective, have not been fixed in DECADES!!  There was/is the Onetastic plugins available...ALL of those features could easily make its way to the core functionality of one note.  You'd need like less than 5 developers to do stuff like that.  Very basic, awesome productivity tools...the kind MS will NEVER EVER implement in any of their applications for some reason.

more ranting...
things like Dark Themes.  This takes MS 6+ years to roll out, in a very limited way.  Even on Android, after several years of gaining popularity, android is FINALLY rolling it out as a core feature.  I have always been frustrated with this large corporation stinginess on rolling out features.  And I get their reasoning around it, where they want to focus on the majority of end users, who are not like us super poweruser nitpicky OCD crazies....but to me all that means is hide it somewhere in some "Advanced Options" section and be done with it.  Doesn't meant dont EVER implement nice features. 

and then, this is why you cherish guys like the Rightnote dude, who seems to implement every cool feature that he possibly can.  Very rare.  I remember when people were trying to move from evernote to rightnote, this guy (smartly) very quickly created a very nice importing/syncing feature, that cant have been simple.  For MS or a big company to do that...i feel like they would NEVER do something like that to be honest.

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Re: What's the future of OneNote?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2019, 02:50 PM »
I don't think anybody is going to disagree with you. I have no idea how Microsoft makes its decisions. It seems like for a while each year they would come out with another office  suite with very little in the way of improvements. It was helpful when there is something that was flashy. I remember being resistant to the ribbon to begin with, but when similar menu options were adopted a program such as Adobe acrobat, I saw their merits. Microsoft was somewhat slow to get on the SAAS bandwagon. I considered that a blessing. It is seeming harder and harder to find companies and even open source communities who are working on desktop suite applications.

I realize that they might not listen, but I still think it is worth shouting

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Re: What's the future of OneNote?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2019, 05:17 PM »
I don't think anybody is going to disagree with you. I have no idea how Microsoft makes its decisions. It seems like for a while each year they would come out with another office  suite with very little in the way of improvements. It was helpful when there is something that was flashy. I remember being resistant to the ribbon to begin with, but when similar menu options were adopted a program such as Adobe acrobat, I saw their merits. Microsoft was somewhat slow to get on the SAAS bandwagon. I considered that a blessing. It is seeming harder and harder to find companies and even open source communities who are working on desktop suite applications.

I realize that they might not listen, but I still think it is worth shouting
it's business decisions.  its strategy and doesn't have much to do with bugs or complaints (other than security issues).  I've actually asked for the reasoning and the answers go like....
i asked why sharepoint installation is so crazy?  they said its because it is deliberatly not meant for end-users to install.  its supposed to be like a thing MS installs for you or certified MS people install it.  this is how they strategize.  if it were very easy to install for everyone, they would lose the enterprise feeling of it.  if you could download sharepoint and go next next next finish....it wouldnt feel very enterprisy.  lol.