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Last post Author Topic: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software  (Read 45007 times)

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IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« on: November 29, 2006, 07:08:25 AM »
Sometimes you accidentily close a program but then want to retrieve it. Opera browser has a "closed pages bin" that gives access to your closed pages from this session. It would be good to have a "closed software bin" where any program that was closed would go and stay out of sight for a time period (say 60 sec) and then close by itself. if the software was minimized before sending to the closed software bin (could be a tray icon or part of the taskbar) I believe windows frees up memory.

Obvoisly  the point of it all is that you can reopen a program you accidentily closed without losing the information you were working on.

It wouldn't work well with games so perhaps it needs an exception list. Could this be realised? Thanks
« Last Edit: November 29, 2006, 07:11:49 AM by justice »

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2006, 07:46:15 AM »
this is a very clever idea, but im not sure how you could do it..

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2006, 08:02:40 AM »
They tried to do something similar in WinME...not give up RAM when a program was closed right away...wait a few minutes.

That way if you reopened the same program it would open faster the 2nd time.

It was a disaster...a deliberate "memory leak" with really nasty results.

Minimizing an app to tray would have same effect on your system.

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2006, 08:15:05 AM »
So what you are saying is instead use a program that on close minimizes the software to your tray, and if you really want to close it immediately use a keyboard shortcut like ALT-F4 to bypass this mechanism?

But then you'd end up with dozens of items in your tray that you'd have to manually close. Maybe the implementation is not as straightforward then.

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2006, 11:09:16 AM »
Also, don't forget that if that worked like that, you wouldn't like to keep the apps open, and you'd end up by always closing it through alt + f4 (because you'd create an habbit out of it). This means that you'd be in the exact same situation you are now.
I think that the only solution would be to have a program that would keep a "log" of the programs opened and closed. But i have no idea on how a program could keep such log.

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2006, 11:59:24 AM »
Hmmm... I"m out of my depth here BUT it seems to me that the OP was suggesting that programs be placed in a bin (cache?) for about 60 seconds BEFORE shutting down as normal. That would give you time to go "Oh my gosh! I didn't mean to close AutoCAD!" and retrieve it from the bin before it goes through its normal shutdown sequence. If implemented like this, I can't see how this would lead to a memory leak? If I understand it correctly, the bin would be a GUI that displays links to programs that are in a 60 second queue for normal shutdown - so that essentially all that is being done is that a 60 second delay is being put on the shutdown of apps. This could work, from an end-user's perspective if the option of ignoring some apps (webbrowsers for example) was part of it...
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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2006, 12:12:57 AM »
 :) Try this one.

GoneIn60s - Recover closed applications.

Features:
 - Click the X or press Alt-F4 to close an application
 - Rightclick the tray icon and select the application to recover
 - Doubleclick the tray icon to recover all applications
 - If not restored, it is gone in 60 seconds



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« Last Edit: December 02, 2006, 05:51:47 PM by skrommel »

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2006, 03:13:31 AM »
Wow, genius! Thanks so much!  :-* Hopefully it will be useful to many others.

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2006, 05:43:19 AM »
 :-[ Thanks! I was wondering about hiding the windows instead of minimizing them. What do you think?

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2006, 06:05:22 AM »
On the one hand it's easy to restore from the taskbar but I find they can still get in the way. hmm can you add them dynamically to the system tray menu  and hide them instead of minimizing them to the taskbar? I don't think people would restore software often enough to have them take up taskbar space.

Also I found that some slower software such as outlook becomes stuck semi transparently for a fraction of a second, a minor niggle really but if you know why? (maybe part of the minimizing animation of windows).

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2006, 02:35:18 AM »
 :) I think I'll put the windows in the tray menu. I made the windows transparent just to remind the user that they could be restored, but maybe there's a better way of alerting him...

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2006, 02:42:51 PM »
 :) Try GoneIn60s v1.1.

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- 20061202 - v1.1: Removes the closed apps from the taskbar, adds them to the tray menu. Restores closed apps on exit.

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2006, 08:28:04 AM »
Thanks Skrommel ! I installed it, works great !
I'll use it for a week or so and see if I find it really useful.
One suggestion though : when restored, the windows position/size are messed up... Can you do something about this ? pretty low priority, though... The basic idea is that, normally, you don't have to restore windows ;o)
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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2006, 08:34:55 AM »
Nice work Skrommel, havent tried it but this thread was exciting! Good to see you made the request  ;D
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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2006, 02:47:40 AM »
 :) Try GoneIn60s v1.2.

Changes:
- 20061228 - v1.2: Recovered apps reappear properly.

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2007, 09:31:35 AM »
:) Try GoneIn60s v1.2.

Changes:
- 20061228 - v1.2: Recovered apps reappear properly.

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I tried "Gone in 60 seconds" a couple of months ago, and I ended up uninstalling it.  It brought everything back without me asking it to.  If I closed the program again, it would reopen it in 60 seconds again, and again, and again...
I would love to use this program, but not until I can prevent that glitch from happening.  Any suggestions?

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2007, 06:25:15 PM »
 :tellme: I'm a but uncertain of what you mean, but I've made GoneIn60s close, not kill a program, to have it ask whether to save any unsaved work. It might be that this is happening.

I could make an option to kill a window instead of closing it...
I've also thought of making it so that rightclicking the X-button kills a program.

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2007, 07:16:13 PM »
:tellme: I'm a but uncertain of what you mean, but I've made GoneIn60s close, not kill a program, to have it ask whether to save any unsaved work. It might be that this is happening.

I could make an option to kill a window instead of closing it...
I've also thought of making it so that rightclicking the X-button kills a program.

No, I must not have explained it clearly.  Let's say I finished using Program A, so I closed it and had no intention of reopening it.  I went on about my business, but a while later Program A popped up all by itself, re-opened by "Gone in 60 Seconds."  I frowned and closed it, and in a little while it popped up again, re-opened by "Gone in 60 seconds."  This went on endlessly until I uninstalled "Gone in 60 seconds."  That's the problem I was referring to.

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2007, 09:45:52 PM »
 :tellme: Exactly the behaviour you would get from an app with unsaved data.

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2007, 08:21:24 AM »
Just to feed back to you. There's some problems with, what I think ,the way such software can "catch" closed software. For example, on exiting an app with unsaved info, some spawn a new dialogue asking you whether you want it saved or not, others must spawn a dialogue as part of their app. I am a web developer not a win32 developer so perhaps I am mistaken.

For example the dialogue box on exiting notepad causes problems with GoneIn60s. I also had some problems with Quicktime, closing it while it's still buffering and downloading a movie locked up my pc. I guess this is due to Quicktime's implementation, maybe there are too many variations?

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2007, 11:33:50 AM »
 :tellme: So who's woting to kill the windows instead of closing them, risking the loss of unsaved data?

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2007, 02:52:05 PM »
some suggestions: make the shutdown  time adjustable and make an ignore option, because i have some programs that when the X is closed it auto desends to the tray as an icon, and when the seconds are up it just  re-pops up now because gonein60 just cached it..very frustrating.. :( Examples are Utorrent, Frostwire, & Peerguardian2...
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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2007, 08:14:30 PM »
 :) Try GoneIn60s v1.3!

Changes:
- 20070615 - v1.3: Added options to change the gone time, kill windows and ignore apps.

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2007, 11:09:23 AM »
Uhm... I found a bug in Gonein60s regarding Notepad++:

I open the application ...

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9305/vorherwl0.png
IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software


... send it to the tray ...

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IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software


... and the application's toolbar disappears!

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But why?

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Re: IDEA: Closed Program Bin / Reopen accidentily closed software
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2007, 05:46:38 PM »
Like Betsy
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If I closed the program again, it would reopen it in 60 seconds again, and again, and again...
I would love to use this program, but not until I can prevent that glitch from happening.  Any suggestions?
I have some programs that keep on coming back and some that it doesn't save at all. Idea is great. Sometimes it works but not always  :huh:  Bazza