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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #700 on: December 21, 2015, 07:55:19 PM »
With no pending updates, wouldn't have thought there'd be that much difference between Home & Pro.

I'm on Pro and have the latest version.

Did you defer updates?


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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #701 on: December 21, 2015, 08:59:48 PM »
With no pending updates, wouldn't have thought there'd be that much difference between Home & Pro.

I'm on Pro and have the latest version.

Did you defer updates?

On the desktop x64 they are but I've just upgraded the netbook x86 (it doesn't have deferred updates) and it's now sitting at 10586.14 with no pending updates, same as the desktop.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #702 on: December 22, 2015, 12:09:49 AM »
I have a netbook with Win10 Pro x86 on it ... and it's stuck at v10.0 Build 10240 with no pending updates.  Think I'll have to reinstall that.

On the desktop x64 they are but I've just upgraded the netbook x86 (it doesn't have deferred updates) and it's now sitting at 10586.14 with no pending updates, same as the desktop.

This reminded me to check my netbook. It is still on Build 10240, but Windows update says it has an update available for 1511 10586. It's currently downloading. I'll find out what version number it ends up at when it's done and report back.


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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #703 on: December 22, 2015, 03:07:19 AM »
This reminded me to check my netbook. It is still on Build 10240, but Windows update says it has an update available for 1511 10586. It's currently downloading. I'll find out what version number it ends up at when it's done and report back.

I upgraded it using the 10586.0 ISO and then let it update.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #704 on: December 22, 2015, 10:42:55 AM »
Microsoft really needs to stop trying to be "cute".

I opened my laptop this morning to the messages:

  • "Hi."
  • "We've Updated your computer"
  • "All your files are right where you've left them"
  • "We have some new features we are excited about" (something like that)

The bad thing?  "Hi" didn't stick around for long.  Neither did the second line.  After I looked up, I saw the third line.  And it stayed there, unresponsive for over 5 minutes!  Thankfully, I knew that I'd told it it could install, so it didn't freak me out too much.  But some people are going bonkers when that comes up, and doesn't give any other information.

Thankfully, I changed it so that it has to ask me in order to restart my computer for installs.  I was notified that it needed to restart, and scheduled it for 3:30 AM.  That sort of straddles the line between leaving it on, and giving them full carte blanche.

That message *did* scare me, however. 

Again, Microsoft needs to stop trying be "cute", and err on the side of being clear.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #705 on: December 22, 2015, 10:44:36 AM »
Oh, and I didn't see anything about what the fall update entails, so I figured I'd post this:
https://www.thurrott...ndows-10-fall-update

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #706 on: December 22, 2015, 11:49:35 AM »
Microsoft really needs to stop trying to be "cute".

I opened my laptop this morning to the messages:

  • "Hi."
  • "We've Updated your computer"
  • "All your files are right where you've left them"
  • "We have some new features we are excited about" (something like that)

The bad thing?  "Hi" didn't stick around for long.  Neither did the second line.  After I looked up, I saw the third line.  And it stayed there, unresponsive for over 5 minutes!  Thankfully, I knew that I'd told it it could install, so it didn't freak me out too much.  But some people are going bonkers when that comes up, and doesn't give any other information.

Thankfully, I changed it so that it has to ask me in order to restart my computer for installs.  I was notified that it needed to restart, and scheduled it for 3:30 AM.  That sort of straddles the line between leaving it on, and giving them full carte blanche.

That message *did* scare me, however. 

Again, Microsoft needs to stop trying be "cute", and err on the side of being clear.

I read a rant on Facebook where someone said he saw those messages and thought his computer was infected by ransomware. e.g., he was expecting something along the lines of "Your files are where you've left them... but you'll have to pay $XXX to get them back!"

I thought he was just trolling for the sake of Microsoft-bashing, since from the very beginning of Windows 10 (and probably Windows 8) Microsoft has been using similar messages during installs/updates. But after reading your experience, I'm starting to feel it's more plausible that he was being sincere (albeit exaggerating somewhat due to frustration).

If you don't like the cuteness, watch out for the new BSOD screen. It shows a sadface emoticon! :P


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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #707 on: December 22, 2015, 01:05:13 PM »
^Yeah, there's a thread on reddit about it too, and some people drew the same conclusions about ransomware.  If you're automatically updating something, err on the side of communicating what you did.  A simple expedient of making the prior messages scroll to the bottom, or at least stay on the screen would be clearer.  Especially if you're still doing stuff.

I actually like the BSOD screen- it gives more user usable info than before.  That's the way I want them to go...

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #708 on: December 22, 2015, 01:48:31 PM »
This reminded me to check my netbook. It is still on Build 10240, but Windows update says it has an update available for 1511 10586. It's currently downloading. I'll find out what version number it ends up at when it's done and report back.

I upgraded it using the 10586.0 ISO and then let it update.

I just finished the update from Windows Update and it's at 1511 10586.36. So now both my Win 10 Pro x64 desktop PC and my Win 10 Pro x86 netbook are at the same version.

« Last Edit: December 22, 2015, 03:00:55 PM by Deozaan »

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #709 on: December 22, 2015, 01:58:27 PM »
I'm at 1511 10586.29 - Windows Home 64 bit.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #710 on: December 23, 2015, 12:12:25 AM »
Just upgraded a Win7HP x86 system to Win10 x86 using 10586.0 ISO then let it update and it shows v1511 b10586.36 - so go figure  :-\

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #711 on: January 05, 2016, 12:52:11 PM »

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #712 on: January 05, 2016, 03:52:43 PM »
Microsoft - Windows 10 active on 200M devices.jpgWindows 10 Announced

Microsoft Windows 10 active on 200M devices

I wonder how many of the 200 M devices have owners trying to figure out
Just upgraded a Win7HP x86 system to Win10 x86 using 10586.0 ISO then let it update and it shows v1511 b10586.36 - so go figure  :-\

What happened to the "one size fits all" scheme?  It seems every day on Softpedia the Windows 10 news is about some new specialized release.  Or maybe I was behind the door when they abandoned it officially?  :)

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #713 on: January 05, 2016, 10:47:47 PM »
What happened to the "one size fits all" scheme?  It seems every day on Softpedia the Windows 10 news is about some new specialized release.  Or maybe I was behind the door when they abandoned it officially?  :)

It may just be a symptom of the "rolling releases" thing, where the latest version doesn't immediately release to every person/computer/device. :-\


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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #714 on: January 06, 2016, 02:19:16 PM »
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?
=> upgrading from 8.1, I'm going try keeping programmes unless advised otherwise.
I've installed all security updates for 8.1 (other updates *not* installed)

TIA  :up:
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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #715 on: January 06, 2016, 05:58:17 PM »
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?
=> upgrading from 8.1, I'm going try keeping programmes unless advised otherwise.
I've installed all security updates for 8.1 (other updates *not* installed)

TIA  :up:

I never installed it on the metal.  Just in a few VMs and not lately.  There is a friendly bunch who have messed with it extensively on this forum who may have some good advice to share.


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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #716 on: January 06, 2016, 06:09:40 PM »
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?
=> upgrading from 8.1, I'm going try keeping programmes unless advised otherwise.

Image your drive beforehand :)

I bit the bullet and told it to 'Download Now, Upgrade Later' ... in my case, Microsoft's definition of 'later' was a bit different from mine.  The download started immediately and when it was finished it said it wanted to restart to perform the upgrade ... WTF!?

So I imaged it before I restarted, not the optimum solution.

Anyway, the upgrade was fine - all installed programs worked after upgrade, (eg. DaemonTools, DOpus, Sony Vegas, Malwarebytes AM, VPN software, etc), even ClassicStart.  I don't have an AV installed apart from Microsoft's.

The only things that screwed up were file associations, it now wanted to use Edge instead of PaleMoon, Reader instead of PDF-Xchange, and a couple of others.

It also had to download a newer video driver but that was all on the hardware side of things.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #717 on: January 06, 2016, 06:27:05 PM »
^ thanks guys :up:
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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #718 on: January 06, 2016, 06:50:35 PM »
I bit the bullet and told it to 'Download Now, Upgrade Later' ... in my case, Microsoft's definition of 'later' was a bit different from mine.  The download started immediately and when it was finished it said it wanted to restart to perform the upgrade ... WTF!?

Really? Is that how it works? Is there no backing out at that stage?

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #719 on: January 06, 2016, 07:10:30 PM »
I bit the bullet and told it to 'Download Now, Upgrade Later' ... in my case, Microsoft's definition of 'later' was a bit different from mine.  The download started immediately and when it was finished it said it wanted to restart to perform the upgrade ... WTF!?

Really? Is that how it works? Is there no backing out at that stage?

Since my System Restore does not work anyway, I have Windows Update set to Never.  For those who wish to leave the service running I think there are utilities to turn off the aggressive W10 forced updates.  You might check Softpedia and some of the other download sites.  In the Softpedia Windows Desktop News page I keep seeing mention of their release.

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #720 on: January 06, 2016, 10:44:34 PM »
I bit the bullet and told it to 'Download Now, Upgrade Later' ... in my case, Microsoft's definition of 'later' was a bit different from mine.  The download started immediately and when it was finished it said it wanted to restart to perform the upgrade ... WTF!?

Really? Is that how it works? Is there no backing out at that stage?

No, it just happened to be what that machine did.  I've got two others that i chose the same thing on and they haven't decided to upgrade whether I like it or not.

I made damn sure I chose the right option to start with since I wasn't ready to do it right at that moment.

I just happened to find Murphy waiting around the corner  :-\

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #721 on: January 07, 2016, 02:56:13 AM »
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?
=> upgrading from 8.1, I'm going try keeping programmes unless advised otherwise.
Yes: Check with the manufacturer of the computer if an upgrade to Windows 10 is supported.
In hindsight I found out why my upgrade adventures failed for my Lenovo Y580 laptop: Lenovo states that it is not possible to upgrade that specific model (and a few others) to Windows 10. At least not without doing a full re-install, after either removing the 32 GB mSata SSD 'disk-enhancer' add-on for the 1 TB HDD (based on specific Intel mainboard technology) or replacing the disk-combo with something else (I replaced it with a ~500 GB SSD).

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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #722 on: January 07, 2016, 03:06:50 AM »
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?

I'd recommend disconnecting your device from the internet once you've downloaded the update. In my experience, it takes forever "Checking for Updates" multiple times throughout the upgrade process when you're connected. I also had problems with failed upgrades which magically resolved themselves when I disconnected the internet connection during my upgrade attempt.

I don't know if that's necessary or if it does any good. All I know is that it helped me get past failed upgrades on two machines. YMMV.


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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #723 on: January 07, 2016, 04:43:08 AM »
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?
=> upgrading from 8.1, I'm going try keeping programmes unless advised otherwise.
Yes: Check with the manufacturer of the computer if an upgrade to Windows 10 is supported.
In hindsight I found out why my upgrade adventures failed for my Lenovo Y580 laptop: Lenovo states that it is not possible to upgrade that specific model (and a few others) to Windows 10.

thanks Ath,
that knocks the idea on the head -- it's a Lenovo (n581) that is included in that list as not recommended. It doesnt clearly state why (that I could see), so I probably wont bother following up on it.
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Re: Windows 10 Announced
« Reply #724 on: January 07, 2016, 06:26:14 AM »
I'd recommend disconnecting your device from the internet once you've downloaded the update. In my experience, it takes forever "Checking for Updates" multiple times throughout the upgrade process when you're connected. I also had problems with failed upgrades which magically resolved themselves when I disconnected the internet connection during my upgrade attempt.

+10 - I've run into that one myself enough times to make it a policy.