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301  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 06, 2014, 07:35:51 AM
For Nillson I still think he reached his creative apogee with The Point. Great little tale. I loved his illustrations, and the music was marvellous. Especially the songs: Polli High (vintage Nillson that one!) Are You Sleeping and the Point of View Waltz. I particularly like the opening line in the P.O.V. Waltz:

And suddenly
The strangest things are happening...
I hope it's not the last time


Not a bad philosophy IMO.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqvHRvA8w0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqvHRvA8w0</a>

Last I looked, somebody had the full animation up on YouTube. (This one with Ringo Starr. God knows why. The original with Dustin Hoffman as the father and narrator was far better IMO.) Might want to watch or grab it while you can.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjfKteUBa_s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjfKteUBa_s</a>

 Thmbsup
302  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 05, 2014, 09:57:44 PM
Three more additions for intelligent pop: Cat Stevens, Nillson, and Harry Chapin.

And add in some intelligent pop ladies: Loreena McKinnet, Kate Bush, Chrissy Hynde, and Margie Adam. (@SB -check Margie out here.)
303  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 05, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Dude, Chris Squire's bass sound was what sold me on Rickenbackers back in the day.

In my case it was Greg Lake and a Gibson L9S Ripper. (Couldn't afford one of those either - but I bought one anyway in 73!) Grin

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I really like the Ric sound too. (Even if I'm not wild about the build quality or workmanship as this repair guy's vid discusses.) But funny thing...it's the only iconic bass of that era I've never had in my collection.

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If I ever did get a Ric, I'd hold out for a 4005 hollowbody. And since they're now going for $10k on average in playable condition, I think I can safely say I'll never own one. Especially since Guild has reissued their Starfire Bass which provides a very similar sound and vibe (plus a much better neck) for around a grand. Cool
304  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: LINUX: Linux Lite - viable 1st Linux alternative for XP and Vista users on: June 05, 2014, 06:25:21 PM
1. How do I get rid of the Floppy Disk icon on the desktop.

in the desktop setting cpanel deselect 'show mounted volumes' should remove it unless the Hyper-V does something weird that confuses LL.

2. What are my chances of getting the sound working? The system seems to think it is playing sounds. Youtube video made virtual audio level meter bounce ... But no (noise comes out) sound can be heard.

Chances should be pretty good. Check sound and make sure nothing is muted. (Which I'm guessing you probably already have.)

If still problematic, the Pulse Audio Volume Control will give you full control of your playback streams and available devices. Check the playback, output devices and configuration panels. The help manual has a section on sound configuration too.

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FWIW I really dislike PulseAudio. I much preferred using ALSA for sound. Angry

If none of the above get it to work, it's likely something with Hyper-V and your real hardware. Or LL getting confused about what Hyper-V is telling it.

Does sound work booting off a DVD or flash drive? That would help identify where the problem is occurring.
305  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 05, 2014, 05:40:03 PM
a few newer prog bands

Liking prog invites stares and condescending snickers where I live. Annoying because I place at least half my musical roots firmly in the psychedelic and prog rock camp.

Excellent 1hr+ BBC Rock Britannia documentary on prog can be found on YT. It gets the details correct. Where it began, how it grew,  and also pretty convincingly discusses how prog ran off the rails for awhile. I suggest either watching it fairly soon or downloading (315Mb in medium MP4) if interested. Because it keeps getting pulled.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8De_YroimA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8De_YroimA</a>

Nice to see some of these old men still have what it takes to do real prog: Grin Thmbsup

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUWn90y7Kgc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUWn90y7Kgc</a>
Go Chris! Thmbsup

Oh yeah - additional intellectual groups and artists: Pink Floyd. Brian Eno. Allan Holdsworth. And Julie Cruise's epic Floating Into the Night album.

306  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 05, 2014, 02:05:36 PM
That's why we turned them into rules - sort of a crutch for the creativity impaired.

FWIW I think some "rules" are actually liberating. And creativity by itself is vastly over-hyped in my opinion. A musical idea is cheap. Most of us can crank out a dozen or more on demand. Finding one that's worth doing something with, and knowing how to do something with it, is an altogether different thing. Therein lies (to me) the difference between creativity and art. Creativity is just the raw material - not the finished piece. Or the process leading to it. You need both. But music isn't just about being creative.

307  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 05, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
It's typically overlooked that when "breaking the rules" out of sheer ignorance pays off there's often some behind the scenes work involved by people who apply a touch of informed wizardry.

That's pretty much how the best band I was ever in worked. We had somebody (the lead singer) who was very creative and original - but totally clueless. He was our wild-card factor. The rest of us would take his good ideas and chord progressions (he had made up his own chord shapes - which he played badly)  and turn them into workable songs. We used to call it "the process" - or "assaying." It was a good symbiosis. A neat (occasionally brilliant) idea he lacked the knowledge to do something with got turned into a complete song. And we got that oddball riff or idea we might not have come up with ourselves since we knew better. It was a workable arrangement.

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I sometimes suspect most song writing duos work in a similar manner. One is the wildcard - musical but largely untrained. The other is the so-called "real musician." And in the best of such teams, those roles get switched back and forth.

308  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: How to remove CDFS partition from a USB Stick on: June 05, 2014, 01:15:27 PM
Throw it away. The time you'll spend removing the partition is worth more than a bit of USB memory.

Um... Guys can't do that! When challenge vs. practical ... Practical loses.

Seriously!   embarassed

He's right KK...we can't do that. And we won't let him either! We can sometimes put our own problems on the backburner. But somebody else's challenge? 'Fraid not. Grin

309  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 05, 2014, 09:49:16 AM
One of the big problems I have with the "Alternative" scene especially beginning around the '90's is that the word itself was in reverse, a negative. Supposedly people wanted "Alternatives to crap" ... but what if the alternative to "overpolished stadium rock crap" is ... "semi-melodic uncrafted crap"?

My feeling is there are two ways to break a "rule" in music: through a conscious decision - or - out of sheer ignorance.

The first way has a much better chance of securing a good outcome even if serendipity is never completely absent from musical invention.

Crap, on the other hand, remains crap no matter what you do with it. Wink

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310  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 05, 2014, 09:00:26 AM
I have heard him say that in a few interviews - that the lyrics just flowed for most of those early classic tracks.

Then too, just because they flowed out of him doesn't mean they survived as originally penned once they got worked into a song.

Most of the writing I do gets brain dumped initially. Fortunately, very few people will ever have to read any of it in that form.

Dylan always leaves me sceptical. And I'm always doubtful about most attempts to play the ingénue. Especially when I consider how much working and reworking the few poets I know do. They'll spend weeks getting a single word just right.

311  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: How to remove CDFS partition from a USB Stick on: June 05, 2014, 08:36:10 AM
So you'll also need to grab a copy of Chip Genius to determine which chip and flavor of Umptool you need. Google it.

No need for to Google, it's covered by link 3 from your video posted above.

I missed that. Thx! Thmbsup

FWIW, I've never had much luck with Umptool in the past when I needed to fix something seriously screwed up. I don't know if I'm unlucky, clueless, or the tool was just a little too behind the curve when I needed it.
312  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 05, 2014, 08:30:38 AM
I do notice that with musicians - they often chose music that I wouldn't chose, and as a music lover, I wonder why. But I suspect it's like me with the singing - they have an ear for something that I don't have, because I don't understand the music in the way they do.

It's not you. smiley

The paradoxical thing about becoming a musician is you can no longer "just listen" to music once you do. In certain respects, to become a musician is to deny yourself the very thing you want to give your listeners - the unadulterated pleasure of simply enjoying a song.

Perhaps that's the real sacrifice an artist pays for his or her art, whether it's music or one of the many others such as painting, sculpture, or poetry. Knowing how "the trick" is done removes much of the wonder one experiences when watching a performance even while it elicits admiration for the performance itself. And admiration, while enjoyable, is not the same pleasure you get from wonder. Wonder comes from innocence - admiration comes from knowledge and experience.

One of the reasons many musicians attempt to master multiple instruments; or explore unrelated musical genres and cultures; or create (or join) radically different music ensembles is to recapture that sense of wonder and innocence. To be able to "just listen" once again. And ignorance (the healthy kind) plays a key role in that.

I'm one of those people that experiences music as a form of mathematics. I really think Pythagoras was onto something. And for me at least, learning music was akin to mastering what mathematics I have mastered. It began with learning about time and tones - which was much like learning to  count and write numbers. Then on to scales and time signatures, which was very like arithmetic. Then chordal structure and harmony and song forms, which seemed to me to have a strong resemblance to algebra. Last came a focused study of music theory and psycho acoustical concepts which was almost like Calculus - and felt like I had been handed the proverbial pair of Seven League Boots. I finally saw "The Man Behind the Curtain." It was my satori moment. Suddenly music - all music - made absolute and perfect sense to me.

But there's a danger lurking in too much understanding. Because there's a fine line between art and artifice. When you've heard a lot, and played a lot, things can start to seem more and more the same. Which is to say you can suddenly stop hearing what you’re listening to. Analysis soon replaces aesthetic. And it's all too easy to fall back on repetition and formulaic thinking when inspiration deserts you.

You'll see that all the time with musicians that came up very fast. Their first album was great. The second album - either equally good or slightly better. Their third album...um yeah...that third album...looks like sophomore slump setting in.

Usually, at that point you either never hear that musician again - or he/she starts reworking their previous songs and ideas. And that leads to a certain sameness - or formulaic feel - to what comes after. Sometimes, this musician gets lucky and has a following that adores what they do and just wants more and more of the same. Many early Metal bands benefited from that sort of fanbase, and more power to them. We should all be so fortunate. Because most musicians are left to muddle on as best they can.

The key to it all IMO is maintaining a sense of balance. Use your brain - and above all make the effort to master the craft. Art without some modicum of discipline soon degenerates into trash. No art form is so pure as to not have some element of craft to it. But trying too hard can be equally bad.

The challenge is not to get so smart and crafty (i.e. "slick") that the sense of what it's all about gets lost in the process. Because most people - even untrained people - do have an innate sense of what it's all about. And they can easily recognize a good song, even if they don't consciously know why.

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I think when music tries to be intellectual, it takes away from itself musically. Intellect and music don't really mix. Lyrics can be intellectual, but even there I'm not so sure - I guess it depends on your definition of 'intellectual'.

By "intellectual" music, I think what SB was talking about was well-crafted music that dealt with subject matter that speaks to needs a bit higher up Maslov's hierarchy than most of what passes for "popular" music does.

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Were Dylan's early lyrics intellectual? I don't think so, he says they just poured out of him.

Agree. Those who knew Dylan, or followed his career, soon reached the conclusion he was another one of those people who (to put it politely) had a great deal of trouble keeping his story straight. After reading multiple accounts of what he put people through during his recording sessions and while on tour, I think there was very little that "just poured out" of Bob Dylan other than his unfocused rage at the entire universe.

313  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 04, 2014, 08:58:00 PM
Add: Paul Simon, Joan Armatrading and Suzanne Vega Cool

And especially Lori Anderson! Kiss Kiss Kiss
314  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: LINUX: It's official - Mint 17 "Quina" released to distribution on: June 04, 2014, 08:53:40 PM
I guess I just don't use non-server versions of Windows that much any more. On those increasingly rare occasions when I do need a Windows desktop, it's usually a VM running under Linux. smiley
315  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: The Dreams thread... on: June 04, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
My dreams have all been CLASSIFIED.

Sorry. Wink
316  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 04, 2014, 08:45:33 PM
For intelligent bluesy-influenced:

Fiona Boyes Grin
Dana Fuchs Kiss
the most current incarnation of Ronnie Earl & the Broadcasters (i.e. Ronnie Earl,Dave Limina, Lorne Entress, Jim Mouradian)

For Jazzy: Snarky Puppy Kiss

For Rocky: Jethro Tull, Camel

And for just cool-weird: the Slowbots. Thmbsup
317  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: How to remove CDFS partition from a USB Stick on: June 04, 2014, 07:30:30 PM
Umptool is chip specific IIRC.

So you'll also need to grab a copy of Chip Genius to determine which chip and flavor of Umptool you need. Google it.
318  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What modern music (today) is considered to be both pop AND intellectual? on: June 04, 2014, 06:55:57 PM
Joni Mitchell
Kate Bush
Al Stewart
The Pretenders
David Bowie
Peter Gabriel
The Who
Thomas Dolby
 cheesy
319  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: LINUX: It's official - Mint 17 "Quina" released to distribution on: June 04, 2014, 06:49:10 PM
@Deo- Have you tried looking/posting on the Mint forum yet? IIRC there's some discussion about hangs and crashes going on.  
320  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: LINUX: It's official - Mint 17 "Quina" released to distribution on: June 04, 2014, 06:08:42 PM
May be 40hz can comment on whether that sounds appropriate.

 huh On a virtual machine, I can't see any good reason to put your virtual drive(s) under an additional layer of abstraction. So no - I wouldn't use LVM in a VM. Others may feel differently. Or possibly have some reason to do so. But I couldn't think of any.

re:virtualbox-guest-x11 & virtualbox-guest-utils

I've got those two packages installed too.

I can't really comment from experience on how well VirtualBox works with Nix in a Wintel environment. Because I always try to stick to Microsoft's own virtualization software for Windows. To my mind, it's easier and safer to use whatever Microsoft offers - or go with VMware Workstation. (Especially since I bit the bullet and finally bought a copy.)  mrgreen


321  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: How to remove CDFS partition from a USB Stick on: June 04, 2014, 02:07:05 PM
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omgf7qg_JZI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omgf7qg_JZI</a>

If that doesn't fly then you'll need to delete and recreate the partition table, then create a new partition.
322  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: How high can we count to? on: June 04, 2014, 07:12:49 AM
@phitsc - Do we get to take our shoes off or do we only get to use fingers for this game? tongue

@ewemoa - Transfinite numbers? Aw man!  (Only you.) huh

 Grin
323  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: LINUX: It's official - Mint 17 "Quina" released to distribution on: June 04, 2014, 07:08:49 AM
@Deo- don't forget the guest additions. Most times I have problems with VBox it's the guest additions that are responsible. And I almost always forget to update them. Cool
324  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: XYplorer lifetime license PRO 50% off on: June 03, 2014, 12:30:20 PM
You know how I know lifetime licenses are not good for business?  Because i buy them even if i don't need them.  tongue

Busted! Me too. embarassed

325  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: XYplorer lifetime license PRO 50% off on: June 03, 2014, 11:26:28 AM
Did someone say "lifetime" as in "lifetime license"???

Danger Will Robinson! tellme

I've had one for about 8 years, and when Don has changed his licensing terms (at one point the lifetime license was removed from the purchase options) it was always grandfathered for existing licensees - as it should be.  I think that a lifetime license for XY is one of the least risky lifetime licenses.
My lifetime license is 3 years  ..... and hopefully counting for a long time

tellme Please don't get me wrong. I'm not doubting the developer's integrity. I'm worried about long-term sustainability.

Lifetime licenses are generally not a good idea for a software business. Especially if they're offering one to help fix a short-term cashflow problem. Cool
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