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51  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Laboratory-Grown Penises Ready To Be Tested In Humans on: January 14, 2015, 11:08:28 PM
Well, they are extending resources to give one a leg up on the competition.. I mean if you really just want them to help you stand for something...is the angle at which it's done really that critical?? And there's no point in needing/having/wanting longer arms, if you can reach anyway...

Remember the great Microsoft strategy of the 1990's?

"Embrace, Extend, ... "

... uh...

tellme  Wink

Suggested distribution wrapper:


I just don't know why this isn't in the NSFW humor thread.


52  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Internet freedoms restrained - SOPA/PIPA/OPEN/ACTA/CETA/PrECISE-related updates on: January 14, 2015, 11:00:54 PM
The psychopaths never give up.


The New CISPA Bill Is Literally Exactly the Same as the Last One

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over expecting different results. That's a cliche, but politicians often follow the hoariest routes to power, and attempting to enact change by doing the same thing repeatedly is one of them. When word broke last week that the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, the twice-defeated bill known as CISPA, was being re-revived by Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.), it wasn't clear if the zombie legislation would be updated to address the myriad concerns with previous versions. We combed through the full text of the bill and, nope, it's exactly the same, word for word for overly broad data-scooping power-granting word.
More at the link.

Well, that first sentence is one of those "logical fallacies". It's not insane if it works. In this type of situation it's clearly about exhausting the defensive resources through attrition.

And if it DOES work, it's "insane" not to. Ethically it's (Insert seventeen Renegade words here), but not insane.

53  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Congratulations Terrorists, You are getting what you want! on: January 14, 2015, 01:52:50 PM
@4wd - BTW, you spelled "Godvernment" wrong there.

I liked "godverment" more. Thmbsup

Especially now that so many are acting like divinely ordained beings, with godlike indifference towards their charters, rather than as legally constituted and defined bodies whose function was to serve those who created them.

Such monsters we create for ourselves and loved ones! undecided

Well, vermin is spelled with an 'i' and they make their own money in the national mint, so is that "godvermint"?

54  DonationCoder.com Software / N.A.N.Y. 2015 / Re: NANY 2015 Release - Splat (Simple Program Launching and Termination) on: January 13, 2015, 10:29:57 PM
<---- proceeds to demonstrate the neutrality of tech intersecting with intelligence and the hopes that there is morality behind intelligence.

Ahhh, Skwire Skwire Skwire.

You know you just opened Pandora's handbag, right? Let's go pull things out of it!

While technically possible before, it would have been rather tricky to play audio files in the right order. But I'm guessing this new version has portions of Trout mashed into it. And with that, you get another whole-greater-than-parts result.

You just invented a cute new alarm clock! With Snooze! And instructions!

Whazzalldat you say?

Because it's not about the cute obvious case of just getting up in the morning. Any old Minecraft 16 bit computer alarm clock can do that!

No. I'm talking that you built an incredibly easy Macro timer program, and now you stuck *sound player* capability into it.

And just like Wizards of the Coast found out in 1993, you can take simple little pieces and produce terrifying results. Here we go!

1. First just find a cute couple of little songs to anchor different purposes.
2. Design the profile(s) needed per notes below.
3. Use a virtual/desktop splitter to jam Splat out of the way in the background.
4. Text to Speech produces audio files. Make a bunch of things you need to be reminded of.
5. Space them apart with the wait command and your choice of waiting until the audio is done or not before the master profile keeps going.
6. Because it's audio, if you are doing stuff around the house, you don't have to keep drifting back and forth to the computer to keep checking your list. You can get a Star-Trek-Computer effect "hollering" out stuff like "Did you call the cable company yet?"

Bonus tricks:
On a friend's computer, you can do this and tuck it behind the splitter, with TTS messages loaded. So they are hanging out doing stuff. With a good guess, like you know they lose motivation after working for about two hours of work, you schedule a TTS message in a nice creepy voice, "Hello. This is your computer. Find anything interesting on Facebook? You might want to get back to work."


So, you will be responsible for at least $500 of increased productivity and Pwning April Fool's 2015 somewhere in our fine user base's community!

55  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Windows Versions and cultural "Moods" on: January 13, 2015, 09:11:42 PM
And now, for me, the deep waiting is over. The info, such as it is, is in, for me.

As I've remarked elsewhere, the grand slam would be if my deeply envisioned comp from 2006 can (maybe slightly slowly) run Win 10. (If not, it just comes down to economics of a new machine.)

But through those last four Win iterations, it feels like the mood is changing. Current "mainstream" support of Win7 is ending. Under MS's confusing terms, it will still get emergency security patch support, but no new features. Nothing actually exciting.


And trying to merge the following article with some basic older news elsewhere:

MS declared a while ago that it would basically support only "two major OS versions at a time". So in many ways, while I was "waiting and buying time", Vista is now clearly just a fading old feeble giggle, Win 7 was important ... but starting to age as well! Win 8 is newer, but everyone is also racing to forget it as fast as possible. In doing so, it counts as one more clock-tick of past OS versions that will start to fade out.


To me, that leaves me banking a LOT of hopes on Win 10. Early reports are coming in that Satya Nadella is starting to put some sanity back into Windows. And because it's the crisp freshest new chance for them, it's the "good version" that they tend to do after one of their "disaster versions".

So if they are going to ever add anything really nifty, it will eventually show up in Win10. It might also just fix a few backbone gripes.

So, like a student who only got C's in prophecy school, unless some giant catastrophe shows up which I doubt, I can't see anywhere at all what a "Post Win-10 mood" will be. It's a total blind spot. But if it's decently solid as an OS with not too much silliness grafted onto it, that could be the next one I sit on for six years waiting for the next safe waystation.

And by that point, something monumental could have happened in the computing cultural world. But that's 2020's problem. For now, I just really want this version to be something I can count on.

56  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Windows Versions and cultural "Moods" on: January 13, 2015, 08:52:34 PM
Okay, this is a very jagged and halting post, probably going to suffer more from my own erratic perceptions rather than offending too many people. But here goes.

I feel I am representative of a certain class of Windows user: I am not a "fan". I have no need to embark on promotional enthusiasms.

I am just still with Windows because my stray efforts to do other things just ended up worse.

I am still on XP, modified over the years and creaking at the seams, until it totters just a little. I am not a "fan" of XP - just very respectful of it as a solid baseline that let me just do things for a good chunk of time, and that longevity has formed my current computing opinion.

But I did take strong notice, and am taking baby steps to begin thinking about upgrades. (Right now it's a race between the slowly growing concerns about the end of security support for XP, with pondering some slowly aging hardware, starting with my comp cpu fan that's going to go fairly soon.)

A brief history of my eyeballing of Windows versions follows. Picture "rhetoric quotes" around everything.

95: Saw it from afar, def preferred it visually over Windows 3.11. However I heard how buggy it was.
98: Win 95 like it should have been. This will become more than a one-shot deal - it seems it will become how MS works.
Win 2000: Workhorse version that was safe and stable, because we forget just how bad XP was for a couple of *years* in the early days before it became what it is now. But support also began to die out "a little too soon".
Win XP: After certain critical chunks of time to get deeply repaired, XP finally evolved into the successor of Win2000. Your choice of which SP was the "turning point", but it was def one of them, and not XP "raw". I'll just idly suggest it was SP2.

... And then it all stalled out. So when my old temp machine began to age badly, I set out to build a strong machine to just "buy as much time for key info and moods" as I could. I believe I mostly succeeded. That waiting time involved:

Vista: After the old dreams of Longhorn died, and after someone's "Implosion Memo" at Microsoft, (nominee for one of the worst bad days for someone in a decade!), MS desperately slammed out Vista knowing it was total junk, and feebly tried to bluster its way into something barely above total panicked embarrassment.
Win7: What Vista should have been. What people of "that and this time" are using as a way-station in these kinds of decisions.
Win8: The Metro fiasco, though reports have emerged that if you find your choice of ways of dealing with that, there's still an engine under the hood.

And so we get to where I am now: Win10. Naming silliness aside, early reports are saying that once again, it's a "should have been", in this case Win8 as it should have been.

A few more notes next post.
57  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Congratulations Terrorists, You are getting what you want! on: January 13, 2015, 08:16:23 PM
Let's follow the logical outcome:

If the government can read it --> so can the terrorists --> and so can other unfriendly governments --> and if encryption is banned, then the government can't use encryption either --> so state secrets won't be very secret.

Yep. This is definitely for "homeland security" and the children! cheesy

Heh (several draft long rants deleted).

It just comes down to some kind of slippery moebius-logic that tries to do three things all at once, until the social version of dividing by zero finally dumps out on his head.

Meanwhile, whoever got short term payoffs from all this just slips away, while still sending encrypted emails.

58  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: LINUX: In-place upgrade of Mint 17.0 Qiana to Mint 17.1 Rebecca on: January 13, 2015, 08:07:30 PM
The LTS versions of Linux usually run for 3-5 years rather than ten.

That doesn't mean nothing in it's core or kernal won't be changed during that period. It just means that any changes will be fully supported for the duration of the release.
To me, the two good reasons for going to a newer release are: (a) security patches; (b) better hardware and driver support.

All good stuff gang, maybe I can try to clarify a little on my (admittedly fuzzy) defs.

First, I considered security patches to explicitly be "non-core" in the sense that the "underlying engine" isn't getting overhauled dramatically; they're just doing like it says, "patching" something.

And even if a powerful new feature appears, if I don't use it, it's irrelevant in my case. But I normally (!) trust that the feature will get both refined and follow along to new versions. So eventually when enough stuff finally hits a milestone, it's time to upgrade. Then all the new stuff I've noted in passing shows up all at once, and for the same "re-tweak time", it feels more efficient and noticeable.

59  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Beware of download sites on: January 13, 2015, 07:54:03 PM

Just linking stuff up, and one point Pillbug was contemplating a DLL to help intercept the worst effects of these download sites, but I think he put the project aside for a while.

But the basic need remains.

Welcome pillbug!

Please do start a new thread on it, and i think it would be wonderful if you took on this task.

In preparation for doing this I downloaded a few examples of "wrapped" installers, but that's all i've done so far, and I'd be happy to provide you with those.
I found wrapped examples from cnet, brothersoft and softonic.

I have some ideas about what the dll should do and how it should react, which we can talk about after you start the new thread.

New spin on the theme:

Don't these sites *use the same template* "within themselves" for the wrapping? Aka Download.com would have the same five things? So what if someone made an "encapsulating app" that ran the installer but "looked for the things to disable", and automatically (maybe with step by step pausing and diagramming for the user), unchecked/clicked greyed things/custom-installed/etc?

60  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ideas that will change society on: January 13, 2015, 07:38:29 PM
Idea: Have devices in emergency vehicles that can change red traffic lights to green... for the direction they are headed or the lane they are in.

Some cities might already have these. I think I even remember seeing one - there's a special little strange light that can flash on top of the stoplight when the override flashes. I really think I recall seeing one in action once even years ago, where all four of the regular directions were red, to reduce the mental load on the driver.

61  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ideas that will change society on: January 13, 2015, 07:37:02 PM
I don't think an idea by itself has much effect.  It's not only what is said but who said it.

I suspect during the 50s and 60s in an effort to impress certain advice on people, many quotes were attributed to Albert Einstein.  It stands to reason that if other geniuses, like Woody Allen or Yogi Berra, only produced a dozen or fewer really pithy sayings, it's not likely Einstein uttered all that stuff under his name.  The name was synonymous with genius in those years.  That was promoted and exploited.

Maybe, but without modern recording tech, it's hard to know.

Some bright people also had talents for just reeling off thoughtful two liner aphorisms like a riverboat dealer with nine people at the table. Ralph Waldo Emerson is the quickest to come to my mind, maybe Mark Twain as well, as two of the "older generation".

62  Main Area and Open Discussion / Non-Windows Software / Re: LINUX: In-place upgrade of Mint 17.0 Qiana to Mint 17.1 Rebecca on: January 13, 2015, 04:04:27 AM
Maybe not quite set & forget. Not yet anyway. But in Mint's case, this was a happy compromise between the usual "fresh" install hassle and the occasionally dicey "rolling update" approach.

Now let's see them do it three more times just so we know it's not luck. Grin

Now I know this example comes from Ubuntu and not mint, but Canonical has put out *eighteen* releases since I began eyeballing them from Dapper Drake. I do NOT have anything remotely approaching the energy to do fresh installs of all that. No, not even the LTS ones that pop up every x skip-versions. Plus, at least a couple of times I ended up with severe problems trying to go to certain new versions at different points of time.

So I really hope they get in-place updating working as the goal for 2020, because that's how I believe a core OS plus updates model should work, aka a very few super-longterm cores, then update it for tons of time, until finally you just one day flip it to a new core. I don't want to flip cores less than every ten years.

I glance at the features of all these releases, and not counting Canonical's disturbing habit where some of them are unstable, I won't do an install and lose that re-tweak time just because "we fine tuned the package manager and put in new copies of about five programs that you use".

63  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ideas that will change society on: January 12, 2015, 03:13:44 PM

tell me please ideas that can change society!


Be nice. : )

No really. Just when you're angry, be nice. Then it changes society : )

64  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Beware of Freeware downloads on: January 12, 2015, 02:25:39 PM
CWuestefeld, I really enjoyed your report of your travails (self-inflicted, but still :-). Funny and informative.

I clicked on something by mistake the other week, and spent the better part of two days to route a browser hijacker, using AdwCleander, Malwarebytes, Hitman and JRT. They did the job, but what an ordeal.

Since it is the first time it has ever happened to me (I have probably forgotten one or two), I can vouch for being careful. You get what you pay for!

Hans L

Hi Hans,

He didn't do it. He was posting an article by

"Lowell Heddings, better known online as the How-To Geek, spends all his free time bringing you fresh geekery on a daily basis."
65  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Beware of Freeware downloads on: January 12, 2015, 02:23:14 PM
Accounting "used to" have a word for this, until a string of scandals almost trashed the reputation of accounting!  

It was called "attestation". Done "properly" (and you shouldn't even have to need the finger quotes, it should be obvious!), some third party that you actually do trust, certifies something on a sliding scale of fairness. Lately nasty people are hijacking the attestation concept, but just suppose Mouser decides to open a new side business, if something was Mouser-approved, you'd be pretty sure it was safe.

What doesn't exist yet is a site as big as Download.com that has "alternative revenue streams" so it can afford to snub the bundle-ware.

66  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Expanded role for Anonymous - Now more like The Watchman than V? on: January 11, 2015, 05:51:01 PM
Got my popcorn. smiley

You know that popcorn is GMO, and contains secret messages! You're a courier for anonymous!
cheesy   Grin

Damn. Conspiracy parody humor is even more fun than the things themselves! It's like Nathan Poe made his law while time traveling to talk to Edgar Allen Poe!

67  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Expanded role for Anonymous - Now more like The Watchman than V? on: January 11, 2015, 04:01:30 PM
Saw this in an article by Alan Buckingham on BetaNews. Apparently Anonymous is expanding it's range of target baddies to include non-government and non-corporate SOBs. Most interesting if so. Especially since it drastically ups the stakes (and physical risks) for Anonymous if it becomes their new charter. More here.

From BetaNews:

...Things began just over a week ago when the group [Anonymous] declared war on Lizard Squad, a rival gang, if you will. That loosely run outfit had claimed responsibility for the takedown of Christmas for many people. In other words, it attacked the networks of both Sony Playstation and Microsoft Xbox on the day everyone was getting a new console. A cowardly act that they claimed was done just for fun.

The fun is over, as the group did a poor job of disguising members' identities and several are now in the hands of authorities. Worse for them, Anonymous declared war, which is the last thing anyone wishes to have happen to them.

Now Anonymous is setting its eyes, and considerable technological firepower, on Jihadist groups, looking to retaliate for the recent tragedy that took place in Paris, France...
(see attachment in previous post)
Yeah. This could get interesting. Real interesting... Cool

If I didn't know better, I'd say this is a guerrilla TV show like a next generation Truman Show, with a little Flannery O'Connor sprinkled on top. "Everything that rises must converge".

So the Agencies (from X countries!) are not going to let "them" just randomly decide to do whatever they want. "We as cowed citizens" have to assume a "basic innocence" for Anonymous, that it isn't itself all a fake front to keep stirring up the martial state culture.

It's just tension building like a 24 episode TV show with 8 scripts written and the writers discovered they backed themselves into a continuity disaster and don't know how to get the season successfully over without a "cheapo" near the end. (Super rough timeline - about two months realtime "per episode"?)

(That's what I'm learning about tv writing as I've watched a lot this year, they carefully drip little "reveals" and can't just dump the whole thing, which has to wait for a season/series finale.)

 So we have Anonymous "just doing things", but it's like a Filler episode setting out a new story arc. I just don't know (and I'm a bit nervous of!) the leadup to the season finale!

68  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Interesting "stuff" on: January 11, 2015, 03:48:17 PM

Bleh. "Moebius Strip Fashion" is so confusing.

(Disdain voice) "Eauh. Flip phones are SO 2014 faux-hip revival. Well, THAT wave is over!"

69  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ALERT! FreewareBB shutting down. And with a warning from Marko? on: January 11, 2015, 03:46:18 PM
Here's the scam (seems like it is targeted at the less internet savvy age 12-14 script kiddie wannabe demographic).

They promise what that group wants, but have no intention on actually delivering it. Instead, they present a set of options, that no matter which is chosen (to get the code) they make money. You visit a page, install software, or anything else they tell you to do, and they make money...but you will never get a code, nor will anyone's Facebook account actually be hacked.

That's the whole scam, in a nutshell.

You would not believe how many times these kids fell for it and filled out that form. And if they would fall for it back then, kids would just as easily fall for something similar today. The difference in this case would be that instead of someone using the form to alert the intended victim of that kid's intent, they are using it as a money making opportunity, presenting them with sponsored activities.


I'm no expert, but maybe I've at least made it to "junior high" as a kiddie sniffing out trouble.  : )

So I did my digging just to save some of the raw click-work for everyone else, just to get it out there, which your post cap-stones.

I was carefully evaluating options as I went along. To borrow the old joke, I was looking at :
1. Do X.
2. Do Y.
3. Do Z
4. ?????

A very similar "structural scam engine" could have gone a couple of ways. I did notice when I rebooted today a couple new things are also there on bootup, so later I'll have to go unhook them. But a stray extra toolbar didn't seem too bad to deal with. I took the guess that I wasn't going to end up with a botnet zombie node and it looks like I didn't ... I think. (Do botnet zombie comps still look like they work for the user?)

So of the several "scam templates", I was mostly interested in shedding some light on "which menu item off the list did they go for".

And at least the news is out, so we know that former good site is in trouble, and maybe if he can ever rebuild his brand, he can just re-stick the content on a new site and learn his lesson and not sell it this time, or give it to someone else.

70  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Open Source News anyone ? on: January 11, 2015, 01:41:05 PM
I don't agree with everything they all say. That's one of the problems with how a lot of people view XYZ - they seem to feel that they need to agree with XYZ 100% or hate them. Heck, I like Bernie Sanders but I disagree with most of his ideas. Same for Alan Grayson - I like the fellow, and he has a lot of good ideas, and a lot of bad ones as well.

There's a funny B-movie line in there somewhere, probably from some kind of mob boss talking to the Scared New Temporary Alliance Guy.

"Hey kiddo. I disagree with everything you say. But I like ya."


71  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: It took 2 years to build this functioning word processor in Minecraft on: January 11, 2015, 01:35:22 PM
^Me too! embarassed

hah, I thought you being extra smart in some way I hadn't quite figured out embarassed Grin

So ... he said it was a mistake ... and you *believed him*?

And you wonder why conspiracies work?

cheesy Cool
72  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: ALERT! FreewareBB shutting down. And with a warning from Marko? on: January 11, 2015, 12:40:19 AM
Well, it's back up. So my notes stand mostly as is.

Someone wanna check and report in on the "hack page"?

To me it looks indeed like it might just be silly graphics going all "whee whizzy!"
There's a few other things there, but it looks pretty light for a high powered hack engine.

<link href="_layout/style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
<script type="text/javascript" src="jquery-1.7.1.min.js"></script>
<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript">
var total = 31;
var iteration = 0;
var attempt = 0;
function showProgress()
   var url = document.location + '?ajaxRequest=true&total=' + total.toString() +
      '&iteration=' + iteration.toString() + '&attempt=' + attempt.toString();
      url: url,
      cache: false,
      dataType: "json",
      success: function(data)

function updateProgress(data)
   attempt = data.attempt;
   if( iteration <= total )
      timeOut = setTimeout(showProgress, 1000);
      $('#status').html('Status: <font color="green">Complete!</font>');

function updateCombinations()
   if( iteration <= total )
      counter = setTimeout(updateCombinations, 1);

function validateAuthCode()
   var url = document.location + '?validateAuthCode=' + $('#authCode').val();
      url: url,
      cache: false,
      success: function(data)

73  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: It took 2 years to build this functioning word processor in Minecraft on: January 10, 2015, 07:26:56 PM
I'm gonna go even broader and call it "the power of 'just because I can'  " .

At its peak is the fundamental clash that created the renaissance!!

And, unchecked by any notion of humility or morality, also brought the human race an untold deal of pain and misery.

That's why I'm always somewhat grateful whenever I see somebody channelling their obsessions into a benign artistic endeavour.

Especially when you consider how the person who has the drive (and gluteal stamina) to program an entire working computer into a computer game - or build a miniature dollhouse within a miniature dollhouse, within a dollhouse - is surely capable of doing ever so much else besides.


I see story material everywhere - it's like a genie offered him salvation. "Look. Your fate was destined for you to make a bomb with its own AI. Let's not do that. How about you play with Minecraft instead, and 4000 people get to keep their lives. Deal?"

74  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re:Horses and Zebras on: January 10, 2015, 02:08:19 PM
It was indeed a truly brilliant response - that sounds oddly familiar. So either I've heard it before...or it just made perfect sense to me initially. Which - since no one else seems to have understood it - could be a very bad sign for both myself and eleman.. undecided

I feel "reverse confused", why this is apparently so hard.

To me, it's just Occam's Razor. Simplest Explanations First, and all that. Hoofbeats - eliminate the possibility of both horses AND zebras, before you discover someone is parading a camel to make a YouTube video! Or a Monty Python re-enactment! (Everything is possible in pursuit of a viral video!)


A couple of TV shows are fundamentally built on the "zebra" premise. House from the show even stated it point blank in an episode or two - I can't quite recall but he almost used the same language even! Something like "you see, I don't get the ordinary cases (except when Cuddy is being a bitch and making me do clinic duty.) So by the time it gets to me, the hoofbeats *aren't* horses because the other three doctors would have looked for that. So *our* intelligent place to start is with the zebras first."

75  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: It took 2 years to build this functioning word processor in Minecraft on: January 10, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
I'm gonna go even broader and call it "the power of 'just because I can'  " .

At its peak is the fundamental clash that created the renaissance!! The cutting edge news of 1515 (to be funny about an arbitrary date) was that people were starting to get annoyed/tired of quoting Aristotle for millenia. People just did experiments "just to do stuff". And often enough for it all to be worthwhile, "pure research" does drive tech. A lot of overly efficient "applied science" promoters try to "take shortcuts" by milking dry the lowest hanging results, leaving someone else stuck with the hard ones after they made their easy money, usually with a little smoke and misdirection thrown in.

Our sense of humor is why we put little funny spins on our pure research. So yes, why not a word processor in Minecraft? It's a subset of "functionality in a limited system".

Also, there are levels of projects you can just dabble at for a week and put away. It doesn't require a full onslaught to be interesting. For example, in Russia in parts of the 1800's, French was actually the aristocratic language. So I once bought five different translations of War and Peace to check how the English translator handled actual French phrases in the original.

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