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51  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: my problem with programming on: March 17, 2015, 06:59:41 AM
Get yourself a good book for beginners and let it hold your hand a bit and walk you through some manageable assignments without overwhelming you.

Along that line it may be a good idea to start with a language designed for children.  Usually the basic idea is brought home explicitly.  Elementary Basic I found in a bargain bin.  It made it clear why one would write a program, explained the solution to each problem in pseudo-code, then provided the source.  Unfortunately I guess it was never ported to anything other than GW Basic.  That came with most every Dos PC in those days.

But I would think a teaching language for children would be the way to go.  I have no idea which one though:
https://en.wikipedia.org/...amming_languages#Children


I'm gonna chime in here with a couple of caveats of Basic.

What you want to do matters tremendously vs your desire to program. Layman me considers Basic to be something like a third cousin to the legendary Fortran scientific language. Crunching basic arithmetic equations/inequalities and simple logic is "easy". It's just when you expand your sights that it gets hard!

The knowledge base required in your mind to program effectively really is pretty hard. So you could do well to see if you can narrow down the types of things you want to tend to do and maybe "specialize". So after you have the ten lines etc mentioned above to get a program going, you may discover you really want to deal with processing incoming data sets, maybe from files, and so you're not so concerned about gorgeous User Interfaces. So maybe your UI evolves into something like French taught by an Australian (I had a teacher like that once!), but if it works for *you*, that's "good enough for now".

Then later if you want to make it useful for the world, you can enlist help saying, "hey, some/most of my features are here, but can you help me clean it up?"

52  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vivaldi, the new Web browser for power users on: March 16, 2015, 07:18:35 PM
I just glanced at it ... still too minimalist. It's rapidly becoming for me that Palemoon is the browser to beat, and once you have something that works, other newcomers stack against it.

How is Palemoon for CPU usage? I find that Firefox is simply a CPU hog and untenable for me, so I only use it very rarely.

Heh just for you Renny, I'll put a little rhetorical spin on this one!

By using Trandesk (Only at DonationCoder.com!) as an example of a desktop splitter, I have Task Manager permanently running with that little green CPU usage indicator.

In horribly unscientific fashion, I can't do cross browser tests because the other ones are all tainted with that hijacker thing and I can't bring myself to do the work to ferret it out.

Meanwhile, back under the Pale Moon light, (which was the only browser that didn't get eaten by that thing!), an important case is if you browse flash streamer sites because then it does get dragged down by plugin container and related stuff.

Meanwhile the rest of the time it doesn't seem to use too much, except erratically when scrolling some pages. I think some of that can be mitigated the more blockers you have, but it's not clear.

Mouser, maybe you want to split this off and do a Pale Moon thread?

Then Renny you can give me a couple of sites that are among the reasons you don't like "FF Branded" and I can review them. When it's not annoying Skwire, my machine is just middle line 1st gen Kentsfield quad core with 2Gb ram, aka not a gaming screamer to skew the results.

(What? You think my DeLorean with a flux capacitor is what's making it so fast?! hehe)

53  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox Extensions: Your favorite or most useful on: March 16, 2015, 04:24:53 PM
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After the transition period, it will not be possible to install unsigned extensions in Release or Beta versions of Firefox. There won’t be any preferences or command line options to disable this.

So, for my own good, you're not even going to allow me to override your decision and install whatever software/extensions I want on my own machine?

How does an open source group even come to a decision like that? How is that open?

(Bitter) No. Because FF decided their market is "hipsters not cool enough to go for Apple but with none of the tech skills of the original FF spirit." (/Bitter)

All this junk is making me always go WWPMD as in What Would Pale Moon Do. Besides the very nice oasis on the UI side with my familiar menus, the P-M people also seem to try to keep some sanity back in the browser when they can. I'm still on the old version, but will this change filter in there?

You'd hope a plugin dev would be thorough enough to sign the addons, but often times it's hobbyists just trying to release something cool, in that spirit.

It would be a shame if it all got chilly and locked them all out.

54  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox Extensions: Your favorite or most useful on: March 16, 2015, 04:19:36 PM

My bad, Pale Moon still has the option Firefox doesn't ...

I've got it! Palemoon is my favorite extension!
tongue

55  Other Software / Announce Your Software/Service/Product / Re: SunsetScreen v1.0 on: March 16, 2015, 04:15:54 PM

I like to take programs and find unusual new uses for them. The one that sparks me here is that it doesn't just need to be for sleep, but it can be also a type of non-lexic alarm clock. So if you're just doing your thing, the screen change can signal you're supposed to do something.

56  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vivaldi, the new Web browser for power users on: March 16, 2015, 12:05:50 PM

I just glanced at it ... still too minimalist. It's rapidly becoming for me that Palemoon is the browser to beat, and once you have something that works, other newcomers stack against it.

57  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Once-in-a-century Pi Day 03/14/15 on: March 15, 2015, 10:26:24 AM
And here it is!

A Sweet potato pecan pie from the Heights Tavern in Washington Heights NY City.

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58  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: spring cleaning on: March 15, 2015, 09:59:49 AM

More mumblings...
I went to a tour of Washington Heights NY yesterday, and my geography is so bad I didn't even know the Harlem River existed!
ohmy

But to get home, there is no single train! But same kind of trick as above, you get help from a local asking which train to take and then an intersection, so that gets you the first leg. Then you get off and since you're another four streets away somewhere, at the half way point you ask where the best place to get a 7 train is, and punch that in. Then you can get home.

59  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: spring cleaning on: March 15, 2015, 09:48:13 AM
Good stuff. Message coming in a bit.

A couple of quirks:

The city runs heavily on its trains, so an interesting error is not always to point it straight to home, because that could give you some freeway route or something. But you can use a little finesse and for example point it to an address exactly at 6th Avenue and 14th Street, which is one of the lowest of the "sensible grid" train stops. (Not all trains are created equal. I live in Queens so an A train does nothing useful for me.)

And I think I remember on a couple of occasions the Mio was off by a street just because they were all so close together, but then you can "hopskip it" and point it to something like 18th street and it's still off by a street but the point is to get out of the Rat's maze of the village, not quibble over which block you are on. So eventually because the route is longer, it does notice something eventually ... by which time you are home free on 14th.
Thmbsup

Tech that speaks Shakespearean English plus your quirky tv character's sideways thinking will work. Just like some crazy TV show. Heh if that ever happens to me I may make a thread styled like a show.
Cool
60  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: spring cleaning on: March 15, 2015, 09:18:25 AM
holding it by hand??

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I mean even if it's not quite as fast on the draw updating my progress as driving, it would still be better than stark raving terror I have now!

i'm confused.

Sure! Nothing stops a GPS from working just because it's not attached to this boxy thing with at least three wheels. So let's show you the use case first and then answer your second question ...

Use case 1:
I'm finally releasing my ye-olde-towne-with-four-roads roots and getting out to explore NYC. Problem is, it's a set of area 1000 times bigger than I am used to. But I could still manage it in places like downtown-ish Manhattan as long as it stays on the grid, or my section of Jackson Heights in Queens.

But let's use an easy case... behind the hospital is a grid ... canted forty five degrees! So let's say after whatever you were doing there, you go get a pizza, then you make a few more turns to look at a cool shop, then you stop at a Duane Reade pharmacy to get some stuff, ... and then you discover that you have no idea where you are. Because besides forgetting what roads you took, if you try to "fake it by heading directly home" ... you're totally wrong because your guess of where home is, is wrecked by that 45 degree cant.

And then in places like the Village with its five way intersections none of which is a 90 degree angle, ... well, pretty soon that becomes nowhere land!
 ohmy

So you just punch up the GPS, and it WILL figure out where you are. Then you punch in home, and it WILL find a route. So your first move is guaranteed to be right direction home.

Use case 2:
So there you go, let's say you are headed home, and (making this up) you successfully turn on to O'Malley street. Which is five hundred feet long. And you're facing a V-Neck intersection of Cody Street and Mouser Way. At walking speed the GPS might not be fast/accurate enough to tell you which to take. So you just randomly pick Mouser Way. At some point it WILL finally notice you're actually on the wrong road. But then it *recalculates* and tells you the new correct direction from there is Obscure Drive. So you take that. And then I don't even need it all the way home. I just need to get to the midtown manhattan grid and grab the train I know. So yeah, you burned a few minutes with a detour, but it WILL get you home.



61  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: spring cleaning on: March 15, 2015, 09:09:25 AM
Ah. So I wouldn't need it. I'd be holding the thing by hand.

So how about I put in my bid?

I mean even if it's not quite as fast on the draw updating my progress as driving, it would still be better than stark raving terror I have now!

 ohmy
62  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: spring cleaning on: March 15, 2015, 09:04:44 AM
Been a while since we did any spring cleaning.

Anyone want this? Garmin Nuvi 760 with accessories.
I updated the maps fairly recently, and I may have upgraded the firmware, can't remember.  Has some additional accessories and a 4gb memory card.
I will pay for shipping within the US.
 (see attachment in previous post) (see attachment in previous post)
First come first serve BUT you must have at least 1 post on the forum PRIOR to today.

I'm starting to ponder. Quick question, what's that thing on the right? But back to GPS's, I'm musing because even though I'm good at the downtown Manhattan NYC grid, the minute I go anywhere else I'm hosed when the roads go sideways and stuff. I have no idea what walking speeds do to GPS's vs driving, but let's say I get off a train, when it gets around to re-orienting it could help, and maybe even at walking speed if I botch taking the wrong road, it might eventually notice and get around to correcting me.

I used  to have a Mio but I lost it somewhere. I remember it being a little weird in NYC, but I'm pondering.

63  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Once-in-a-century Pi Day 03/14/15 on: March 15, 2015, 12:18:08 AM
Woo hoo!

I made a point to get some today. Sweet potato pecan. :  )
I'll post a pic of it soon. Anyone else get some?

64  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: LiveCoding - watch others code on: March 13, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
"LiveCoding" has been a thing for years. Plenty of people stream their development on Twitch.tv while they work on games or other projects. Especially as part of game jams such as Ludum Dare.

Doh!
(Watched too much Simpsons last month)
Just curious if screen-capping people's code has ever actually been a thing.

65  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Once-in-a-century Pi Day 03/14/15 on: March 13, 2015, 02:06:03 PM

Heh for the second half of the thread tomorrow, everyone post their Pie stories!
You can even do it twice because "almost 9:30" is sane hours for almost everyone both AM and PM!
 Thmbsup
66  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Once-in-a-century Pi Day 03/14/15 on: March 13, 2015, 02:02:01 PM
5 digits? You mean 10 digits!

3.141592653

03-14-2015 9:26:53

 tongue

Not only is that a good catch Deo, but it's just epic that the digits of clock times actually work!!

 Thmbsup
67  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: LiveCoding - watch others code on: March 13, 2015, 09:26:14 AM
Just an off the cuff note from mobile, but it seems depending on the layout there could be a couple of big IP property issues.
68  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vivaldi, the new Web browser for power users on: March 13, 2015, 07:36:04 AM
I use Opera mainly because it is faster than the others - ALL the others (at least on my box...).  The switch to using the webkit engine (and webkit IS just an engine) wasn't what bothered me, it was the dumbing-down trend I'd seen in other browsers.  When I was a Firefox fan, I thought the "Firefox button" was a good idea (all the menus, 10% of the space!) but then they took that away and left me with a hamburger and a box of pictures.  undecided
Opera went the same way, taking away many of the old Opera's features, and axing a bunch of fairly serious configurability (really? no way to change the default search engine? seriously?) and I usually blamed it on the switch to webkit, though I am now beginning to think that was on purpose.

I have tried Vivaldi, and it really does look like they're trying to bring back the old Opera, even starting a browser-centered community-driven site (Vivaldi.net) that has email, blogging, forums, etc. (MyOpera, anyone?).
As it stands, Vivaldi starts up rather slow for me, and it has that weird Metro square-iness look that is REALLY out of place on my Linux box, but so far, it's... OK.  Not as fast as Opera, but it renders some stuff better, and I'm looking forward to seeing what improvements are waiting in the future.  For now though, it's an also-ran that I'll keep my eye on.


Well, philosophy wise it looks like this gang is also grumpy with where Opera went, and this looks "almost like a fork". So that FF button is almost exactly what I'd want.

But there's a bunch of business issues here - they have to convince people they have deep enough funding to hold onto this because I think I recall some of old Opera senior management deciding Presto was too expensive to maintain. So this is interesting - just borrow the Blink backend, and then just stay on the UI side.

But I'm most alerted to the possibility this is just a "cool five year mission" that then gets discontinued ... after three years because of external forces.

69  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vivaldi, the new Web browser for power users on: March 13, 2015, 07:27:32 AM
Aren't the vast majority of power users hooked on add-ons? How will they switch to a new browser? I honestly can't, without at least 8 add-ons I consider must-have also making the jump.

I second this.

70  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Vivaldi, the new Web browser for power users on: March 13, 2015, 07:25:32 AM
I will give Vivaldi a try. I really liked Opera 12, but despise the new O-Chromium with a passion. It made me go to WaterFox and different other programs Never liked the way Chrome and all Chromium based browsers (including the new Opera)sends information behind your back.
But this new Vivaldi browser is using the WebKit/Blink rendering engine, the same as Chrome is using, doesn't that bother you?

There's an interesting separation going on here.

I have no particular interest in the back end engine. While way back in the day it I learned Firefox for the early browser freedom philosophy, they long since torched that. So now it's all front end UI for me. And most of what I use Palemoon (FF spinoff) is just the layout of where the features are. So for example if someone made a plugin that adds a Palemoon/old FF type second UI then I would switch because you'd get all the basics where you know them and then all the cool new toys on top.

71  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: March 13, 2015, 07:21:21 AM


Leaving aside the Apple vs knockoff jokes, let's just say they use a typical Chinese mp3 player - someone could really make this! It's the kind of awesome joke a bored millionaire or wife could really do.

The possibilities of this are hysterical! As would be the medical approval certificate report!
Thmbsup
72  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: uTorrent has gone rogue on: March 12, 2015, 08:50:44 PM
I really despise the way developers add garbage to their applications and then make it so that the default is to install the garbage. This is a show of bad faith.

To all developers. I understand you got to eat, thus include garbage with your applications. But this is acting in bad faith. Please, make the default to NOT TO INSTALL the garbage instead of installing it. If a user wants to install the garbage it will do so.

The practice reminds me of banks when they change policies without you agreeing to them. They send you a letter telling you that if you do not respond you are agreeing to it. An act of bad faith. The default should be instead, if you do not respond, then you keep the same conditions that we agreed to when you signed.

I have often joked you could mashup a quick version of the legendary Minefield and just change it a bit so that at the end it says "Congrats! You just installed only the program you wanted and not all our garbage!!"

tellme


73  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: uTorrent has gone rogue on: March 12, 2015, 08:47:06 PM
uTorrent Too many applications (!!) had two things going for it: a no-nonsense, lightweight app and street cred among people like me who have used and loved the app for years. Looks like they traded both in for some $$$. tongue

mad
74  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: can you help me with this design on: March 12, 2015, 05:58:02 PM
It's not quite right, but just as an interesting counterpoint, independent toy companies have been making Rubik's type puzzles in cylinders that have rotating bases and slices. However the basics I recall is that the lines remain "straight ovals" instead of spirals. But it might help with the brainstorming in this thread because it could provide a partial graphic that you can then draw on top of.
75  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: DonationCoder 10th Anniversary plans, ideas, changes, fundraiser? on: March 05, 2015, 10:39:38 PM
I wonder about the "newbie experience" on DC.  Are there any real newbies?  In the sense that, people will only come here if they're already interested in software anyway.

This is almost nothing short than the trend of the modern internet as a whole. The "newbie" experience here is about as good as it ever gets. Newbie should just spend five hours reading up a little on basic sample threads, and then off we go. And before people say that's work, nothing is any easier IRL.

What we really are facing is that Google, Twitter, and Facebook really succeeded in "locking in" their markets. That just makes anything else part of the not-them metagame.
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