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51  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: Ludum Dare 30: August 22-25, 2014 on: November 14, 2014, 11:50:30 AM
Here's a non-LD game I'd like to see your opinion on. It's definitely Phoenix-Easy.

http://blocsilent.itch.io/dance-to-the-finish

Okay, I'm gonna try to use some careful wording, because I may be missing giant creatures in the room.

What ... is this ... "piece of software" supposed to do?

If I scroll to the right for twelve seconds, I ... Win!?!

For this post I am avoiding the topic I had to work harder to avoid paying than "playing" the ... whatever it is.

So do you have any key info that I am missing, such as having adblock running?

My rating system Easy was meant as a rough measure when a bad gamer (me) can get a bunch of levels done in a day or two = easy, whereas a really crisp hand-eye guy can crack what I start calling Mediums, that might take me a week or three. (I'm just terrible at lots of the standard keyboard conventions.)

But this thing is ringing a bell like I'm missing something huge, so officially I can't rate it yet.

52  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox begins its mass rollout of ads on new tab tiles on: November 13, 2014, 08:49:31 PM
What is that? Or better question, what browser is that?

I have Adblock edge installed in both Pale Moon and Firefox, and I have never seen a page like that before, with or without Adblock edge.

I have seen a page similar to that in Chrome, however. They were some sort of installed add-on apps in my father's browser.

Are you sure you don't have some other add-on installed that is making that page, or a bunch of little browser apps installed, matching those names?

No, I haven't done a super rigorous test that other addons are creating that.

But I have new evidence that even with Adblock Edge on, the sponsored tiles come through.
 (see attachment in previous post)


The original image you posted looked nothing like this one. It had an unusual icon located next to the search bar and a heading "8 Essential Desktop Apps" and the thumbnails featured icons on colorful backgrounds. That's what I am referring to.

This one actually looks normal.

What can I say?

It's all a complicated mess!

53  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: How The Internet Was Born. on: November 13, 2014, 02:21:08 PM
How is the internet formed?

It needs to way instain ARPA, who .... : )

54  Other Software / Developer's Corner / Re: Experimenting with Other Programming Languages on: November 13, 2014, 02:08:28 AM

Hehe well as long as Mouser is doing wild "non-trivial" things in random languages, I'll remark that while I had fun on my recent LD cruise, I wasn't as captivated as that puzzle-game from the last bunch, Undermined. I was saying there was enough there for a stats class essay paper there!

Meanwhile, assuming you're skipping the silly ones like Malbolge, what about VB.net?



55  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox begins its mass rollout of ads on new tab tiles on: November 12, 2014, 10:03:14 PM
What is that? Or better question, what browser is that?

I have Adblock edge installed in both Pale Moon and Firefox, and I have never seen a page like that before, with or without Adblock edge.

I have seen a page similar to that in Chrome, however. They were some sort of installed add-on apps in my father's browser.

Are you sure you don't have some other add-on installed that is making that page, or a bunch of little browser apps installed, matching those names?

No, I haven't done a super rigorous test that other addons are creating that.

But I have new evidence that even with Adblock Edge on, the sponsored tiles come through.

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56  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced on: November 12, 2014, 05:21:09 PM
I can cope with change - Windows XP DID NEED and still does need security work - but wholesale change?

Having said that, I'm complaining at the beginning of a project, without having too much interest in MS' future intentions, or what's under the hood.

Then again, we're all on XP SP3, with x other updates since then. But the original XP was junk! Win2000 was my choice for an earlier older machine while early XP was evolving.

So even if it takes until SP1 to tweak stuff, (notice they started doing that with Win Cool, I'm okay if Win 10 needs to evolve.

But they seem to be churning out the OS'es too fast ... it's one reason I stayed here on Windows - I didn't want to deal with being 5 OS'es behind and get "oh look, new apps won't run".

I'm sure MS vowed never to let an OS get entrenched like XP again ... but this "New OS for the New Year (NONY!)" style is really irritating!

57  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced on: November 12, 2014, 05:06:59 PM
The acid test will be when somebody who has used only Win XP or 7 installs it or gets a machine with it new and tries it out.

Sorry for mini-necro'ing this post, but once we're past any pre-release bugs, I am right in this category - except some brief Win 7 use at a job, I have mostly only used XP. I am waiting for the final build and hoping my aging hardware can run it.

I'll be interested in the UI usability - I had a chance to dabble with Win 8 on an acquaintance's machine, and it was every bit as irritating as publicized.



58  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox begins its mass rollout of ads on new tab tiles on: November 12, 2014, 04:57:54 PM
BTW is "enhanced" now a new synonym for "sponsored"? huh

Good guess, but no. I'll let someone else tell us the diff between enhanced and classic, but my CVS tile is still there on classic.

59  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox begins its mass rollout of ads on new tab tiles on: November 12, 2014, 04:54:55 PM
I just updated via the Help About menu from 33.02 to 33.1 and got an eBay AddOn with button I did not ask for.  Do you think this is related?

I'm using Privacy Badger and haven't noticed anything else happening.

Edit:  Also, do you think I should forget about the Forget About It Button?

I'm a little confused because I forgot that Nightly (currently 36.0a1) "Eats" regular Firefox by somehow installing itself in the same place, whereas dev edition is somehow on a "different profile".

But the original point of the thread was about the tiles. If you got a weird add-on, to me that's worse news, but different.

I think the Forget button is like a parallel universe of "clear browser history" and fine for what it is. So for example you are watching 15 Youtube videos across 3 tabs, if you just "nuke the process" like in Task Manager, a fairly decent anti-crash routine will try to resurrect all your tabs. But you really wanted it all to go away, so the forget button is decent about that.

 
60  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox begins its mass rollout of ads on new tab tiles on: November 12, 2014, 05:45:49 AM
Here's a tab page when I turned Adblock Edge back on somewhere:


It's not labeled sponsored ...
What ARE all these things? I haven't even heard of half of them! And why aren't they labeled sponsored?



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61  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox begins its mass rollout of ads on new tab tiles on: November 12, 2014, 05:34:39 AM
I got a sponsored tile! It clearly isn't based on browser usage - CVS is pretty generic. But it showed up in both my FF Dev Ed, and the new Nightly and my other Firefox main. Though of the big Co's, Cvs is pretty tame - they live by selling "stuff", not really by being wed-ad-only etc. But there you have it!

Now we just get to see what all this means - ads in FF. At least a tile is ... an image tile (for now). It doesn't do annoying Flash-y things.

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First page of Mozilla Help on Tiles and stuff
https://support.mozilla.o...how-do-tiles-work-firefox

Some clips:

"Enhanced Tiles
For users with existing tiles (History Tiles) in their new tab page, Firefox replaces the default screenshot with a better image. The Enhanced Tile is displayed only for sites that would have appeared on a user's new tab page based on their browsing history. The improved image is supplied by the site or partner and can include a logo plus a rollover image. "

"Sponsored Tiles
Any tile that was included or improved because of a sites commercial relationship with Mozilla have been clearly denoted as sponsored: sponsored "

"What data is being collected and why?
Only information about Directory and Enhanced Tiles on a user’s new tab page is being collected to help offer the most interesting sites to new Firefox users and improve recommendations for existing Firefox users. All the information is aggregated and does not include a way to distinguish between unique users. We are collecting data to make sure the tiles are delivering value for our users and advertising partners, and are only collecting the data we need to determine that.

Where does my data go/get shared?
Data is transmitted directly to Mozilla and only aggregate data is stored on Mozilla servers. For both Directory Tiles and Enhanced Tiles, Mozilla is sharing aggregate numbers with partners on the number of impressions, clicks, pins, and hides their own content received. "

"How do I turn it on/off?
You can turn off Enhanced Tiles by clicking on the gear icon on the top right corner of the new tab page, and selecting Classic to show only unenhanced History Tiles or Blank mode, which turns the Tiles off. "



62  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Multi Process Support comes to Firefox Nightly on: November 12, 2014, 05:27:38 AM
Okay, this is why DC rocks!

You tech geniuses get to help the rest of us understand "the news behind the news".

More Firefox this time! (Making it hard for me to boycott them!)

"Multi-Process Support comes to Firefox Nightly"

Birdy see new feature, Birdy download new feature.

Slashdot's copy:
http://news.slashdot.org/...-firefox-for-windows-soon

Venturebeat story
http://venturebeat.com/20...firefox-for-windows-soon/

So what exactly is multi-process support? It sounds vaguely performance-enhancing. But I suppose the biggest nuisance I face is when Adobe Flash Plugin crashes, and then all 22 tabs across 5 browser windows need to be reloaded.

They say it took a huge long time, and some weren't sure it would ever land in a build. So What could this new feature do that's really useful?
63  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox Developer Edition on: November 12, 2014, 04:31:17 AM
OMG, how do I disable these crazy ugly skins and make it use my OS colors? I can't read the button captions. Black on black is impossible!

(my temporary solution till I can figure out how to disable themes  Sad)

I saw some of that too - I used Classic Theme Restorer to tweak back some of the colors. But same criticism.

64  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: 32bit vs 64bit question on: November 11, 2014, 07:17:37 PM

Complex post Eleman.

I say, review the history of 8,16,32,64 bit systems and see what all helped improve. No doubt, for each addressing change, backup hardware had to scream along at Moore's Law and more, but somewhere in there, the addressing matters. I think I can (barely) cite the case of the C128 that had to do hard bank switching to max out to the limit, and if you just look at 8,16,32 bit games, you see stuff.

64 bit hit a new realm. For the least of examples, it took a stratospheric boost to chess, because a 64 bit board could do things no other set could do before.

Then you have X today's games, whatever they are. A little work needed in modeling art, and we're still "only" at 64 bit. Like it matters. If anything CS has taught us, when we jump a Bit-Level, the game changes. Who's gonna post the first 7 bits of 128 bit news?

65  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Loaders vs "original software" - tips, tales, and troubles on: November 11, 2014, 06:40:03 PM

Mostly because I am senile, I can't merge a prior thread I posted a good ways back. Mouser(Minor Deity) asked for some stuff to work with.

I had remarked that some of the worst were beginning to look like "games" to "remove the junkware".

See below.

66  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: 32bit vs 64bit question on: November 11, 2014, 06:36:18 PM
...
No other practical difference.

Forgive a Turbo-Newb butting where he doesn't belong, but I think it makes a TON of "practical" difference!!

When you change a "bit" addressing amount, you unlock things that weren't possible before. Lots of examples. Discuss.

67  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: What books are you reading? on: November 11, 2014, 06:14:22 PM
(Numbering might change in the future!)        : )
I'm starting to get back into my old Buddhist training.
Round 1A1's set is Zen.

1A1 - a: Book of Serenity - (The slightly less well known of the two famous collections) ... because on day 1 of my new beginner multicultural meditation class our teacher tossed out #9 Nanquan's cat. I both missed it having not read that tome, and missed any remotely interesting answer because of 20 years of rust!
tellme

But back in the day, in my good job, I built a pretty good private library (including Buddhism), so I found it pretty fast - I figured:
"Okay, I have two tomes of the famous koans. Either he picked one of those, and since I only glanced at a few out of 200, sure he could have found one I hadn't seen. Or, he could have found an ultra obscure one, at which point I get to ask him why that one?" But yes/no, it was there - Nanquan's Cat, Book of Serenity #9.

1A1 - b: Blue Cliff Record - The "slightly more well known of the two collections".

1A1 - c: Compass of Zen by Seung Sahn. A "more modern" take on the overlap of Indian classical Buddhism and zen, but with a few modern teachings that clarify some sticky points.

More sets to come later!

68  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Veteran's Day on: November 11, 2014, 06:06:19 PM

Yeah, thank you, even when govt services go down. After varying brief intervals of dismay at having wasted X hours prepping something, the thanks are far more important. At least for me, it's not like it was 1-day or bust ... there's always a bunch of other days.

69  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Everything You Need To Start Making Webcomics For Free on: November 11, 2014, 06:03:54 PM
He's holding the pen wrong... >_<

Heh yeah, shouldn't that be rotated at least 30 degrees to the top right? : )

70  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Call to arms on net neutrailty on: November 11, 2014, 06:00:47 PM

(Speed posted having not read the thread so bear with me!)
I saw a headline on a free paper on the floor at the subway here in NYC - headline "Prez wants stricter Net Neutrality".

That could mean "almost" anything, but at least it had the word "stricter" and not "looser" which NEVER goes the other way!

71  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox begins its mass rollout of ads on new tab tiles on: November 11, 2014, 10:30:22 AM
As online business models go one can say lots of things of course but regarding Mozilla I wonder how long their Google relationship will last (I guess you all know how much of their income is Google based?) Tiles is probably the wrong way but if they are smart they have been looking beyond Google because even if it does last for a while longer it stopped being healthy once Chrome came along

Sure, there's a bit of a lag sometimes between the length of the original contract for revenue (marketing) and the rollout of a new software offering (tech).

So I agree, Mozilla needs to find something new to do ... but not ads! But I don't know where it is either.

72  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox Developer Edition on: November 11, 2014, 05:36:07 AM
I used to use a portable version of Firefox, loaded up with nothing but dev tools, till the Aurora crap showed up. Then I replaced it with a portable Pale Moon, with the same dev tools.

I might use this Developer Edition, if/when it's available in a portable version, since there are some differences between how Pale Moon and the latest Firefox renders pages.

Check their pages - I don't know the release lag between reg and portable versions. Just to be fast to get some topics going, I downloaded the simple main release, but on their full page of versions somewhere they might already have the portable version. (Will that have ad-sponsor tiles even in Portable!? I don't know, the ramifications of all this start to get beyond me depending how they "push" ads into tiles.)

I do know this ... Web 2.5 (with the solidification of the big gun social media services) banked (unfortunately correctly) that "mass users are uneducated about a lot of tech". But we might also have a case of "In the Marketing Department, did the VP of Revenue get into a fight with the VP of Tech Development?" Because to release a *developer* version right on top of 'Look, they forgot to branch the codebase', developers are *the* smartest part of the browser user codebase. So then to simultaneously infest the "super-user" version of Firefox with the ad-tiles ... sounds like a fight that isn't going to end well!

73  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox begins its mass rollout of ads on new tab tiles on: November 11, 2014, 05:25:56 AM
Now for the second half of "notice", I will pick either FF regular (and / or FF Developer!) and begin seeing what triggers an ad and how long it takes. (How bad are they blanketing the ads?) To do this I am turning Adblock off, "to give them their fastest shot at me", and then we can see what effect Adblock does with tiles if my turned off copy starts getting something and then other people don't. A bit loose for methodology, but the best I can do ad-hoc. What I most wanted to do was raise the topic. Normally I just turn tiles off altogether and someone on Slashdot says that also removes (most?) possibilities of tile-ads off.

Yeah, PS App I agree with you, but fortunately, by starting with open codebases, we aren't quite as trapped as back then, so those other FF-mod projects out there will be an alternative with (almost?) the same features as "brand FF". (And think, full circle, Mozilla was so feisty about their brand vs the Debian crew not budging, that's how IceWeasel showed up to begin with ... though I don't know what they'll do about this, if all they did was a logo change. Palemoon seems more active with direct code optimizations they feel are right.)

Edit: To best simulate a "normal user", I am also re-toggling "remember browser, search, and form history" back on, and not using any private browse pages. There's a small chance their ad-base is small and the ads may not show up for a while. But that's why the topic is here - DC is really good at having us "put stuff in the back of our minds", then waiting for updates in news.

Better yet, if anyone can stand it, let's do a mini faux award for "FF Ad Bingo"! The first one to get an ad tile wins! (Screen shot highly suggested so we can study it.)

Heh - it will be a little unnerving surfing the web "without a winter jacket" and the regular user tools!

Edit2: My tiles started off blank. I'm getting my first few "normal" ones in. PS I never realized how painful Youtube ads are without Adblock! 45 second ads for like 3 min of content! Start your percentage skeet shooter guns!
ohmy

Edit: I just got a sponsored tile! (Oh dear, I'm excited to get an ad. But just the first one. It's hell from here on out!)


74  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox begins its mass rollout of ads on new tab tiles on: November 11, 2014, 05:17:40 AM
I haven't noticed anything on my Firefox like this yet.
...
But as for your Firefox, nope, haven't noticed anything like you pointed out yet.
PS - I use AdBlock Plus and Ad Muncher.

Well, let's get into what variant of definition of "notice" you meant, and that's one reason I made the thread - because I didn't "notice" it either, for *both* variants of "notice".

1. Cruising along, (I'll get into Adblock soon), and happen to have tiles turned on, and then you make a new tab, and then suddenly one or more of those tiles makes you exclaim "Hey! I never visited any pages like that!?"

2. See this official announcement:
Slashdot's copy where I learned about it: http://news.slashdot.org/...duckduckgo-search-and-ads

Venturebeat article: http://venturebeat.com/20...ed-tiles-to-new-tab-page/

Key phrase that Slashdotters began discussing: (( Double Parens are mine))
In addition to ((the debut of the Firefox Developer Edition, Mozilla today announced new features for its main Firefox browser. The company is launching a new Forget button in Firefox to help keep your browsing history private, adding DuckDuckGo as a search option, )) and rolling out its directory tiles advertising experiment.

...

After experimenting with adding ads to Firefox Nightly in late August, Mozilla is now ready to start pushing its sponsored directory tiles to all Firefox users. Previously, Firefox’s new tab page would remain empty until you established a browsing history.

When you first launch Firefox now, a message on the new tab page will inform you what tiles are (with a link to a support page about how sponsored tiles work), promise that the feature abides by the Mozilla Privacy Policy, and remind you that you can simply turn tiles off. If you do turn them off, you’ll get a blank new tab page and will avoid Firefox’s ads completely.

Firefox users should “expect a lot more experimentation in advertising,” Mozilla Senior Engineering Manager Gavin Sharp told VentureBeat. That may not be what most want to hear, but Mozilla is eager to find new revenue streams, as long as it manages to keep the privacy of its users intact."


75  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Firefox begins its mass rollout of ads on new tab tiles on: November 10, 2014, 11:50:05 PM
Okay, Firefox just stabbed themselves in the foot with a fork again. (Less dangerous than shooting it! And if you keep stabbing it enough, it raises the bottom line! ... Uh... by treating the (slightly smarter than IE) userbase as ... idiots?!)

Now they have decided, after testing in the test channels, to roll out ad tiles in Firefox.

Fine, there's plenty of ads everywhere else, and we go through the big discussion of adblock vs whitelisting a very few sites.

But ads in the browser proper?! That just feels wrong on so many levels! That's just smelling like giving the FF mod editions a lead in the race. The first few Slashdot comments are up, and so far they're "restrained". (I used the new Firefox Forget button, and I now forget ... didn't Firefox lose their big Google revenue stream contract? So, did they hit a cash crunch that the CFO decided to fix with ads in the browser?) But more importantly, I'd half expect the other Big Companies to do this, but Mozilla?! They were (once?) "the cool kids". So how can they not know that some corners of their base won't be so ... restrained?!

So for y'all on Palemoon, I so hope they use this to further promote themselves.

Iceweasel came up, which is also a good option at least for Linux. Is there a Windows version of Iceweasel? I ignored long running performance problems because the rule is "assume incompetence before malice" ... but now they just added malice! That's enough to make me boycot them, and just use the derivative mod editions out there. So, besides a guess at iceweasel for Win, P-M I have, is there a third such mod edition out there so I can go back to my 3-copy set usage style I just started working on today?

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