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26551  News and Reviews / Best E-mail Client / Re: The Bat! (Some constructive criticism) on: February 03, 2006, 03:19:01 AM
hahhahahahaha love it.
26552  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 03, 2006, 03:14:02 AM
thank you for the links.. quite helpful..
i kind of like the idea of stacking actions and stuff.
im just resistent to all the need for the tabbing and stuff...

life would be easier if we insisted that the first word was always a verb.

so that you start farr, and the window shows a list of verbs like:
  • Run
  • Open
  • Email
  • Browse
  • Google
  • Define
  • etc.....

then you type a verb (or part of it until you get a match) and then hit space key.

once a verb is selected, the rest of what you type will select from the search directories, searching as always,
OR act like a regular expression pattern match so you can type "email blah@blah.com" or "define subjunctive" as currently.

the key difference those is that it would INSIST that the first thing you do is select an ACTION, before file searching would begin, though we could make this as simple as typing r or l or . for default action of "launch/run"

so to launch photoshop you would bring up farr,
and see a list of actions:
  • r - run/launch - run or launch a program or document
  • d - delete - delete a file
  • g - google - do a google search
  • define  - define a word using dictionary
  • email - send an email

then you would type r which would restrict action list to the only matching r command, which would be narrowed down in the results, then you hit space,
and some queue text would say "Run.." and then the results box would clear and youd' start typing "photo" just like you do now in farr, and then hit enter when you find it, so your total typing would be:
"r photoshop"

or you could have done "run photoshop"

or "run photo shop"

the point to this method is requiring that the first word, and ONLY the first word be used to select an action, from some list (predefined and editable by user);
and only after an action is selected does the program shift into multi word search files mode.


the drawback is you need to know what you plan to do with the file before you start, and you can show just the context relevant actions for the object.
the advantage is if you know what you're doing you type very little with no crazy tabbing and right arrowing, it's all one smooth sentence.
26553  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: Sample mini group alias file for F&R - download here on: February 02, 2006, 11:37:36 PM
sure, it's easy , but you have to set up an alias for the commands (like ping) that you want to do this with.

create an alias group like this:

(download the alias file at the top of this page and see more examples)
26554  DonationCoder.com Software / Skrommel's Software / skrommel got some love today.. on: February 02, 2006, 11:10:17 PM
skrommel got some love today from shellcity.net:


ps. skrommels page is http://www.donationcoder....tware/Skrommel/index.html
26555  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Reference software they don't make anymore but should. on: February 02, 2006, 10:36:13 PM
i agree completely. there was also a very cool musical instrucments cd from micrsoft and some art gallery cds, also both wonderful.

why arent we seeing dvd super versions of this type?

in all fairness some of this is taken over by the big encyclopedia dvds, but still..
26556  News and Reviews / Official Announcements / Re: briefly restarting web server on feb2, 2006 on: February 02, 2006, 09:49:39 PM
looks like it worked without a hitch.. always a nice surprise.

we now return you to your regularly selected programming.

if anyone has trouble with the forum/sire in the next couple of weeks don't hesitate to email me, especially if you get a 403 error about not being able to access/find some page index.php.  thats a sign that the security mod package is being too agressive in blocking stuff it thinks looks dangerous.
26557  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 02, 2006, 09:31:30 PM
But I think an additional panel of actions (as in my mockup, and as Quicksilver does) is less confusing than replacing the item list with actions list in the results window. In theory, users can use either method. I believe (2)  is better for novices and general users, and (1) is better for power users (we know how most people are a bit scared of aliases already!). I think both are  compatible.

yes i think i tend to agree.. still trying to figure out the cleanest way to handle this case, without going crazy and implementing 10 different modes for doing each thing..
26558  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Firefox Extensions: Your favorite or most useful on: February 02, 2006, 09:27:32 PM
nice app!
26559  DonationCoder.com Software / Screenshot Captor / Re: Screenshot Captor in latest CPU magazine! on: February 02, 2006, 09:25:17 PM
no not at all, it's just i just posted an info about this review a week or two ago with the excerpt of the review taken from the pdf version.  it's nice to see it in print though smiley

actually i'm liking that magazine too, i'm trying to see if they might be interested in syndicating our reviews in print.
26560  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: a grid of cool animal flash games on: February 02, 2006, 09:22:33 PM
what's the best one? opinions please.
26561  News and Reviews / Official Announcements / briefly restarting web server on feb2, 2006 on: February 02, 2006, 09:06:48 PM
we've had them do a whole host of security hardening on the server today (your donations make it possible for us to pay for such services by the way!).

and i need to restart the webserver now to fix some fixes that are not fixes smiley

shouldn't be down for but a minute if all goes well. this is your heads up not to be in the middle of a post when it happens!.
26562  DonationCoder.com Software / Screenshot Captor / Re: Hey Mouser, Check out Kidsnapper... on: February 02, 2006, 09:01:27 PM
fun idea.

actually you really should be able to use screenshot captor's built in ability to configure external tools in the Tools menu to do this and lots of other stuff like one click uploading of a file to an ftp site, mailing screenshots, etc., if some people just took some time to find some commandline drivable tools for this kind of stuff.
26563  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: Minor Bug - First character of relative location dropped on: February 02, 2006, 02:20:45 PM
nope, first time i've heard about it; thanks for the bug report jan.
26564  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: A unified FARR / Launcher Interface Proposal on: February 02, 2006, 02:18:51 PM
i would *love* to see some hard user interface testing data on tree based configurations.

what surprises me is that i am a huge fan of hierarchical information and i *should* prefer the tree based configurations, but for me what happens is that all the options just sort of blend in together and i feel lost.  i just seem to be able to find stuff easier with more visual clues like boxes and stuff as seen in a tabbed configuration.  maybe its just me..
26565  News and Reviews / Best ScreenCaster / Re: Wink 2.0 in the Works on: February 02, 2006, 01:59:28 PM
great to hear!

wink forum: http://www.debugmode.com/userforums/

Wink Features
  • Freeware: Distributed as freeware for business or personal use. However if you want to redistribute Wink, you need to get permission from the author.
  • Cross-Platform: Available for all flavours of Windows and various versions of Linux (x86 only).
  • Input formats: Capture screenshots from your PC, or use images in BMP/JPG/PNG/TIFF/GIF formats.
  • Output formats: Macromedia Flash, Standalone EXE, PDF, PostScript, HTML or any of the above image formats. Use Flash/html for the web, EXE for distributing to PC users and PDF for printable manuals.
  • Multilingual support: Works in English, French, German, Italian, Danish, Spanish, Serbian, Japanese, Brazilian Portuguese and Simplified/Traditional Chinese.
  • Smart Capture Tools: Capture screenshots automatically as you use your PC, based on mouse and keyboard input (great time saver and generates professional captures).
  • Performance/Quality: Creates highly compressed Flash presentations (few kbs to few hundreds of kbs, much smaller than competing commercial products) ideal for using on the web.

26566  DonationCoder.com Software / BrowserTraySwitch / Re: add new command to the trayicon contextmenu on: February 02, 2006, 01:37:22 PM
agreed 100%, long over due.
also infact philkc showed me a way to maybe autodetect all installed browsers, i've been meaning to add it and make an update.
let me try to have a new release next week.
26567  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Transferring licenses on: February 02, 2006, 01:35:38 PM
or what if the license doesnt address it?

i'm curious to know people's experiences with this and thoughts on this as well.
26568  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 02, 2006, 01:34:31 PM
an attempt to clarify what i mean.

right now we have what we call group aliases, which when they match what you type present a menu of choices (and the ability to use regex to grab some part of what you write to use in a command).

ok now

what if we generalized the group concept as follows:

lets do away with "group aliases" and just have the general concept of "keywords"

when you define a keyword you specify:
1) the keyword/name
2) optional overrides for search directories, file patterns, and scoring
3) the action to perform ('launch","delete", run some abitrary command, etc)
4) or instead of #2 you can specify a special some SPECIAL lists to be displayed in results window:
a) control panel applets
b) recent app list
c) a fixed list of items specified manually (this is would amount to current group alias funciton)
d) list of running processes
e) list of toplevel windows
f) a regular expression to match from editbox, combined with a fixed list of items
g) ... other possibilities

ok so

i might add a keyword called "*mp3"
which restricted the search directory to e:\My docs\Music
and gave high bonus score to *.mp3

or the keyword "email" which
used option f) to specify a regular expression to match "email (.*)" and then launch email client

or use keyword "*kill" which
with a 3) command the kills a running process.
used option d) to show a list of runing processes,
so when you type *kill scree.." it would be narrowing down the list of running processes to those that match "scree" and then when you select it it would KILL it.

or use keyword "cpanel" to work with option a) to show control panel applet list and launch on select.

26569  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 02, 2006, 01:16:53 PM
yet another possibility:
use the menu solution BUT allow some special action keywords which if typed exactly could be used by experts.

like if you typed
*edit dylan

then it would really search for dylan (and not the *edit) string and when triggered it would use a special action edit instead of the default launch.

and user coul

actually this has some real strong appeal for one main reason,
it was basically the same approach we have suggested for handling the idea of search "modifiers", where you say that a certain keyword alters the search directories or scoring.

yes, this to me sounds like it may be the most satisfactory approach..

does everyone follow what i'm saying?
26570  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 02, 2006, 01:13:25 PM
here's another theoretical, consistent solution that would have the benefit of clarity and ease of use.

what if you ALWAYS got a second prompt.

so you type "et." and up come the results as nontroppo shows.
you hit enter or alt+1 or whatever you currently use in FARR to "launch" the app, but
in this new approach,
that doesnt trigger immedate launching.
instead it progresses you to stage 2, action selection mode,
where the textbox is cleared and you see the prompt
"With Ethereal.link do:"
and then your results list is now filled with actions, the first of which would always be "Launch"
so you could hit enter again to launch it, or do an incremental search on the actions list,
or use a number to choose a specific action..

we could also offer the ability to bypass this 2 stage mode depending on alt+ctrl key states..

yes it requires an extra keypress, and having a searchable action list is not trivial, but its at least comprehensible.
26571  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: FARR version 2 - discuss the best way to handle 'actions' on: February 02, 2006, 01:08:48 PM
have a menu that pops up (or slides out AFTER you select the item and hit a key) is not technically hard,
but i keep thinking of wanting to choose actions through a similar key-based menu (like with alias groups) or incremental search..

for example:

what if you when you hit alt+1 (or hit enter once or twice) it would launch result 1.
but if you hit ctrl+1 it displayed in the status bar like "With Ethereal.lnk do.." and then in the results list appeared all the actions appropriate for that file (launch, delete, zip, etc.). which you could then search within, etc.

i don't know, feels like of messy and confusing, but you see what i'm trying to get at, to bring the actions into the same search based system rather than a menu.

an action menu may still end up being the best way to go but it just seems not quite to fit with the method.

i cant help but think there is a wonderful user interface puzzle here that we might be able to solve somehow..

like here is a CONSISTENT solution that would work, but it would require some adjustment to thought process.

one solution might be like a special character saying you are specifying an action, like you would type

dylan *edit

that would basically search filenames for "dylan" and searching ACTIONS for "edit"
we'd still have to find a way to show the list of actions..

the thing is that 95% of the time people arent going to be using actions, so altering the display for this case seems troublesome.
26572  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / a grid of cool animal flash games on: February 02, 2006, 12:43:28 PM
found this from a link posted on allen's strange and cool chat script page.


tons of flash games on that page (check out this cool one: http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/cats.htm)

26573  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: A unified FARR / Launcher Interface Proposal on: February 02, 2006, 12:34:45 PM
i don't think as a rule i will be using this for configurations.  some people like tree configurations, i personall prefer the tabbed approach even though i know it can get confusing.

this is much more of a serious configuration for working with hundreds or thousands of nodes, letting user drag and drop and copy and paste, and create and delete nodes and drag in files from a file explorer, etc.

its just it can also be used as options configuration as well.

it is however, well suited to stuff like FARR list of alias groups, etc.
26574  Other Software / Found Deals and Discounts / Re: anyone want aaai2000 proceedings book? on: February 02, 2006, 12:28:53 PM
ok, it's yours then. topic closed.
email or send me a message through the forum with your mailing address please.
26575  DonationCoder.com Software / Find And Run Robot / Re: A unified FARR / Launcher Interface Proposal on: February 02, 2006, 12:12:02 PM
Do you have a screenshot?

this doesn't quite do it justice, but here's a teaser.  there are tons of different kinds of nodes (including virtual folders as requested above) that have different configuration panels.

basically the tree configuration can be used to generate launchbars and menus.
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