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176  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Robots could murder us out of KINDNESS unless they are taught the value of human on: August 24, 2014, 12:28:21 PM

Issac Asimov anyone?

Except Isaac sidestepped the issue of the value of human life completely back in '42. His three laws only said:

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    A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
    A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
    A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

T'aint nothing in there about 'value' - nor is there the need for a robot to be self-aware in order for humanity's butt to be covered by those three rules pretty adequately.

But if (and that's a very big if) machines could reach a form of self awareness, it would be a challenge to teach them these so-called "human values." Especially since we're so bad at teaching said values to humans.Even on those rare occasions when we're in complete agreement as to what such values are. Values - especially the value of human life - varies a great deal among different (and differing) human cultures.


Sigh... Y'know... I really hate hearing from you sometimes. It's not that I disagree - but rather that I do agree. And I hate that.

Yes. Humans can be really, really shitty towards each other. We have no shortage of examples either in history or in contemporary examples.

It sucks.

Like, just how f**king hard is it to NOT murder people? Is it really all that f**king hard? Apparently for some people it really is that hard.

I go through my normal day without murdering anyone on a regular basis. In fact, I'm batting 1.000 for not murdering people. Am I an exception? Perhaps. I don't think so.

Blah... This is just an issue that sets me off.


177  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ice Bucket Challenge...You all got nominated! on: August 24, 2014, 12:20:42 PM
No matter what you think about him... that was cool.

That was pretty cool! I like CS.
178  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ice Bucket Challenge...You all got nominated! on: August 24, 2014, 12:07:20 PM
Lol no criticism taken guys xD  Grin

Btw...none of you are excused from the nominations lol

Challenge declined. Wink

179  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Wordpress and Hackers on: August 24, 2014, 11:21:57 AM
And don't use too many plug-ins without having checked their code.

While this is 110% solid advice, it's really hard for most people to do this. Very few people, and even few programmers, are qualified to actually determine security vulnerabilities. It's not easy.

Could I do it? Yes. How long would it take me? FOREVER!

I understand enough to track down issues. But I'll never actually do it because it's simply far too time consuming.

There's the actual code itself, which is relatively simple to check for things like SQL injection, etc.

Then there's the checking of the actual PHP methods, and so on down the line. NIGHTMARE!!!

My rule of thumb here is to use only commonly used plug-ins with a record of security. I have to blindly trust them because checking is too expensive for me.
180  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: CMD-commands on: August 24, 2014, 11:15:19 AM
Oooooh! Nifty!

For "assoc", try "assoc >aso.txt" then open the file or just type "aso.txt".

I've not seen assoc before.

The CMD window doesn't hold many lines in the buffer, so you'll likely need to write it to a file to see the results.
181  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Robots could murder us out of KINDNESS unless they are taught the value of human on: August 24, 2014, 11:09:21 AM
The AI question! Such fun and speculation!

http://www.dailymail.co.u...ness-engineer-claims.html

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Robots could murder us out of KINDNESS unless they are taught the value of human life, engineer claims

  • The warning was made by Amsterdam-based engineer, Nell Watson
  • Speaking at a conference in Sweden, she said robots could decide that the greatest compassion to humans as a race is to get rid of everyone
  • Ms Watson said computer chips could soon have the same level of brain power as a bumblebee – allowing them to analyse social situations
  • 'Machines are going to be aware of the environments around them and, to a small extent, they're going to be aware of themselves,' she said
  • Her comments follow tweets by Tesla-founder, Elon Musk, earlier this month who said AI could be more dangerous than nuclear weapons

Future generations could be exterminated by Terminator-style robots unless machines are taught the value of human life.

This is the stark warning made by Amsterdam-based engineer Nell Watson, who believes droids could kill humans out of both malice and kindness.

Teaching machines to be kind is not enough, she says, as robots could decide that the greatest compassion to humans as a race is to get rid of everyone to end suffering.

'The most important work of our lifetime is to ensure that machines are capable of understanding human value,' she said at the recent 'Conference by Media Evolution' in Sweden.

'It is those values that will ensure machines don't end up killing us out of kindness.'

...

Professor Hawking said dismissing the film as science fiction could be the ‘worst mistake in history’.

More at the link.

Issac Asimov anyone? Wink

182  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ice Bucket Challenge...You all got nominated! on: August 24, 2014, 11:05:11 AM
Btw, just so you all realize...I did also donate to them, just thought it would be fun to do the challenge as well...always enjoyed making myself look like a fool haha

It was fun to see you!  Thmbsup

The entire thing seems like fun. (Anyone ever done a polar bear swim?)

Except when you see some moron drop a 50 gallon garbage can filled with water on someone from a height of 3+ m in a failed attempt to pour water. That's got to hurt.
183  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ice Bucket Challenge...You all got nominated! on: August 24, 2014, 10:43:54 AM
Perhaps it all was worthwhile!

https://www.youtube.com/r...h_query=ice+bucket+bikini

tongue

To me this is similar to when celebrities go to poor places and are shown helping the poor and/or adopting a child. 1000 awwws mixed with 1000 poking fun....

That's because attention-seeking draws out the cynics.

....to be honest neither is the right answer, if someone is being helped good if not a typed opinion won't change it.

True enough.

As one of the cynics, what I find particularly obnoxious is the "Do A or do B or you're a pussy/<insert insult>" dichotomy.

Good causes don't require psychological bullying.
184  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ice Bucket Challenge...You all got nominated! on: August 24, 2014, 10:34:57 AM
For everyone that thinks this ice bucket challenge is stupid, read this: http://www.forbes.com/sit...ge-is-stupid-youre-wrong/

FWIW - Bill does it with some style:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS6ysDFTbLU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS6ysDFTbLU</a>

(I'm not a fan of Bill in the least, but... he manages to pull that off rather well. Something to be said for production value in video there.)
185  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ice Bucket Challenge...You all got nominated! on: August 24, 2014, 10:30:45 AM
For everyone that thinks this ice bucket challenge is stupid, read this: http://www.forbes.com/sit...ge-is-stupid-youre-wrong/


They make a lot of good points in there.

I don't like the approach. Here's an identical approach:

"Donate to the Israel 'Bomb a Palestinian Fund', or shoot yourself in your face and film it."

This at some meta-level gets back to game theory and psychological warfare. My stock response as an acronym is "FO".

186  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ice Bucket Challenge...You all got nominated! on: August 24, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
I still think the bucket of ice water thing is one of the most asinine promo/affinity stunts anybody ever came up with. It's kinda snarky too.

In part that... and...

Don't play the fool. Donate instead.

Precisely. Just donate.

No. I won't be held hostage by some kind of peer pressure for "charity".

"That makes you a bad person, Renegade!"

No. It makes me belligerent against flat out, in-your-face manipulation and emotional hijacking.

187  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Ice Bucket Challenge...You all got nominated! on: August 23, 2014, 09:50:27 PM

Adam Kokesh's take on it.

188  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Homebrewing on: August 23, 2014, 07:17:04 AM
This is Youtube channel from a homebrew retailer. They have a LOT of really good material. They do advertise some of the things they sell, BUT... get this... they actually talk about the products in a practical way, i.e. exactly the opposite of the drivel commercial ads you get on TV. They're more like product reviews.

Most of the videos are educational, and even the short ones get into some depth with explanations that I've not heard elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/u...r/NorthernBrewerTV/videos

Now, back to watching a fellow explain yeast strains! Cool  Thmbsup
189  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: R.I.P. Robin Williams on: August 23, 2014, 12:24:48 AM
Bizarre coincidence - Family Guy episode that aired while the news broke had Robin Williams in it committing suicide.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAA50BwG3FY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAA50BwG3FY</a>
190  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Homebrewing on: August 22, 2014, 09:14:32 AM
Been a bit busy, so still need to get the VM & accounts & Kindle running... But I'll get to that! smiley



Regarding this batch of ginger ale, I've been much more patient and methodical (using the fermenter), and it's gurgling away very nicely after almost a week and gurgles every 5 seconds or so.

But... it is testing my patience... I'm dying to try it...

Heck, I can't keep away from my last batch of beer. It's bottled, and primed for secondary fermentation, but I've still pilfered 3 bottles so far, and it's still very nice. Even at room temperature.

I HATE warm beer. Or rather, I hate stuff like warm MGD or Bud or Molson Canadian or Labatt's Blue... They're horrid warm. This? It's actually nice warm. It's a brownish red, lightly carbonated (because it's still too early), but very drinkable. It's actually much nicer than the commercial stuff I buy.

I've got a packet of ale yeast still, and wondering what I can do with that, but I've only got so many bottles, and I'll run out once I bottle the ginger ale.

I saw strawberries on sale... oh my... strawberry beer! So many possibilities! cheesy
191  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Talents and talent shows on: August 22, 2014, 08:45:26 AM
I don't even have a TV. Had a few - threw them all in the garbage. (Haven't had cable for years upon end.) I loathe them (even though I do work on smart TVs).

I hate reality TV and talent shows just as much...

But...

That...

Was...

Wicked...

Cool...

I would totally tune in to see that. If I had a TV.

Best of luck to Abigail!  Thmbsup

she's an acrobat

That's way beyond acrobatics. She's an artist in that ephemeral sense that we can never define, but can recognise it when we see it.

 Thmbsup
192  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: August 21, 2014, 10:30:35 PM
How does downloading something for free fund anything? tellme Please tell me that's photoshopped or somehow satirical.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is. But the insanity is still funny in a dark way.

EDIT: I did a bit of Photoshop analysis on it, and it looked like it was shopped (some lines were a bit straight). So I looked into it more. See here:

http://boingboing.net/200...emixing-the-london-1.html

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Apropos of yesterday's blog post about the insane, paranoia-inducing "anti-terrorism" posters the London cops have put up, Peter Mahoney offers this remix of the "A bomb won't go off because weeks before, a shopper reported someone for studying the CCTV cameras. Don't rely on others: if you suspect it, report it." poster.

Still, quite insane.

And more:

http://boingboing.net/200...remixes-of-the-paran.html

Some really good ones. smiley

EDIT 2: Tracked this down: http://digitaldiscontent....is-stranger-than-fiction/

Don't they know that many folks have allergies to peanuts! Shame on them! Angry tongue

Hahaha! Grin

A> Dafuq?
B> Dafuq?
3> DAFUQ?

Ooooh! I love multiple choice!

Umm... 3! It's option 3! Grin Cool
193  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Wi-Fi Turbocharge: The Future of Connectivity (From The Web) on: August 21, 2014, 10:34:00 AM
To be honest, get me a cabled connection any day.

Amen to that!
194  Special User Sections / N.A.N.Y. 2013 / Re: N.A.N.Y. 2013 Submission - RAT (Renegade Audio Transcoder) on: August 20, 2014, 11:28:58 PM
Why didn't I know about this application? I'm really surprised I haven't seen it before, it is right up my alley! The simplicity, the spot-on-target, the high quality, the easy use while still very useful. I am impressed!

Well done, Renegade, really well done!  thumbs up

Thank you! smiley

Should there be another version that doesn't rename, but maybe creates a subfolder?  undecided  I know I would go for such a version, because right now I will have to rename the transcoded files.

Hmm... I'll check that out when I get back to it.

I'm currently working on some other audio software, and may use some of what I'm doing now to spice up RAT a bit.

nice, didn't even realize this was here!  great, especially for video!

Video is really what I wanted it for. There are some music videos that I've downloaded from Youtube (all subversive anti-establiment stuff), but they're MP4 or FLV, so this lets me rip the audio out and put it in a regular music player.
195  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: High School Student Laptop Policy on: August 20, 2014, 10:05:17 PM
They would have to be packing military grade hardware surveillance to beat that one.

Funny you should mention that. It made me think of what the police now look like.
196  Main Area and Open Discussion / General Software Discussion / Re: Wordpress and Hackers on: August 20, 2014, 10:01:32 PM
I've noticed a couple spikes in attacks lately. Lots of brute force attacks - useless - I don't even know my passwords - they're just insanely long.
197  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: August 20, 2014, 08:47:15 PM


 Thmbsup Nice!
198  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: silly humor - post 'em here! [warning some NSFW and adult content] on: August 20, 2014, 08:44:28 PM
More from the department of...



FOR THE CHILDRENZ! Cool

199  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: High School Student Laptop Policy on: August 20, 2014, 08:38:33 PM
Or we may simply be dealing with the standard overypaying of academic/government contracts, where a product that would cost a normal human $200 somehow costs a government office $2000.

Aggravating and non-intuitive to be sure.

But when you factor in  the Byzantine bidding process, the paperwork, compliance auditing, and add-on social engineering (hiring requirements, rules for preference to be given to favored suppliers for parts of the contract, commitments to targeted groups and businesses, the GSA "discount", etc.) it's easy to see how the final sticker price can soar.

Ya beat me to the punch! I was going to say this:

To be fair, government bureaucrats work so hard at finding the absolute best deals on the perfect solutions to their bureaucratic problems that they inadvertently create a tendering process that incurs enough overhead to justify a several hundred percent price hike. I supposed the rest is just pigs at the trough. cheesy

Government people usually have no responsibility for recouping their expenses. Operating costs are not "real" to them. If they run in the red, they just ask the appropriations committees for more money. Businesses who need to run things off their P&L rather than the public tax base don't have that luxury.

 Thmbsup

*cough* tax is theft *cough* tongue Grin

They're just following the NFL... I mean... what could go wrong?

Hahaha! Yes - definitely! The antics inside the NFL are just insane. *cough* stadium welfare *cough*

Add to that, now they're asking superbowl half-time acts to PAY the NFL for the PRIVILEGE of being the superbowl half-time act. DOH!

If the teacher's really want to know which students are screwing off, all they need to do is walk around to the back of the classroom and look ... Just like in the good old days - Surveillance software not required - and there are no maintenance and licensing fees to contend with.

 Thmbsup

Low tech is often the best or easiest way to go.

Tech toys are fun, but... they're often toys that we invent reasons for rather than actually have real reasons for. You can see this all the way down to regular hand soap where hi-tech replacements make people feel all nice & sciency & fuzzy & secure, but the actual science doesn't pan out and the fancy-dancy hi-tech soap has no significant benefit over regular, ordinary, boring, pure, simple, ancient tech... hand soap.

Exterminating cockroaches with nukes doesn't end well. Cool
200  Main Area and Open Discussion / Living Room / Re: Aug 20th is H.P. Lovecraft's Birthday on: August 20, 2014, 08:21:11 PM
One of my favourite pieces by Lovecraft is eerily beautiful, and short enough to paste here:

http://www.dagonbytes.com...rary/lovecraft/memory.htm

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Memory

In the valley of Nis the accursed waning moon shines thinly, tearing a path for its light with feeble horns through the lethal foliage of a great uperas-tree. And within the depths of the valley, where the light reaches not, move forms not meant to be beheld. Rank is the herbage on each slope, where evil vines and creeping plants crawl amidst the stones of ruined palaces, twining tightly about broken columns and strange monoliths, and heaving up marble pavements laid by forgotten hands. And in trees that grow gigantic in crumbling courtyards leap little apes, while in and out of deep treasure-vaults writhe poison serpents and scaly things without a name. Vast are the stones which sleep beneath coverlets of dank moss, and mighty were the walls from which they fell. For all time did their builders erect them, and in sooth they yet serve nobly, for beneath them the grey toad makes his habitation.

At the very bottom of the valley lies the river Than, whose waters are slimy and filled with weeds. From hidden springs it rises, and to subterranean grottoes it flows, so that the Demon of the Valley knows not why its waters are red, nor whither they are bound.

The Genie that haunts the moonbeams spake to the Demon of the Valley, saying, "I am old, and forget much. Tell me the deeds and aspect and name of them who built these things of Stone." And the Demon replied, "I am Memory, and am wise in lore of the past, but I too am old. These beings were like the waters of the river Than, not to be understood. Their deeds I recall not, for they were but of the moment. Their aspect I recall dimly, it was like to that of the little apes in the trees. Their name I recall clearly, for it rhymed with that of the river. These beings of yesterday were called Man."

So the Genie flew back to the thin horned moon, and the Demon looked intently at a little ape in a tree that grew in a crumbling courtyard.

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