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^ hah, that must be you with Andreas Antonopoulos in Melbourne

Yup!

I presume you enjoyed

Very much!

He is a brilliant mind and I was very happy to have met him.

At one point in his speaking, I could see the emotions beginning to flow up to the forefront, and him holding them back. (I was in the front row.) What he talks about matters because he talks about things that affect people's lives in very deep and practical ways.

In many ways some of what he talks about is deeply saddening, but then he presents great hope.

Long before I became involved in Bitcoin, I was cheering it on because I could see good coming out of it.

Now, more than ever, I am still cheering for those same reasons.

"Another world is possible, and we pledge to make it real."

The Pledge of Resistance - Original:


Mix by Jeff Berwick (brilliant):


(I listen to this regularly as it is, well, listen and you'll know why.)

And when people understand that, they will stop using the blood currencies of the warmongering states and start transacting in the currency of voluntarism, peace, and freedom - Bitcoin.

The more people use Bitcoin and stop using fiat, the less power the vampiric, bloodthirsty, warmongering politicians will have.

Make no mistake - we're headed for war right now. Just look at the economies --- states with weak economies go to war. Today is not an exception in history.

The question now is whether people will support more mass murder or not.

SAUL WILLIAMS PLEDGE OF RESISTANCE LYRICS
We believe that as people living
in the United States it is our
responsibility to resist the injustices
done by our government,
in our names


Not in our name
will you wage endless war
there can be no more deaths
no more transfusions
of blood for oil


Not in our name
will you invade countries
bomb civilians, kill more children
letting history take its course
over the graves of the nameless


Not in our name
will you erode the very freedoms
you have claimed to fight for


Not by our hands
will we supply weapons and funding
for the annihilation of families
on foreign soil


Not by our mouths
will we let fear silence us


Not by our hearts
will we allow whole peoples
or countries to be deemed evil


Not by our will
and Not in our name


We pledge resistance


We pledge alliance with those
who have come under attack
for voicing opposition to the war
or for their religion or ethnicity


We pledge to make common cause
with the people of the world
to bring about justice,
freedom and peace


Another world is possible
and we pledge to make it real.

Ideas matter. They're important.

However, the implementation and execution of ideas are even more important.

Without meaningful, sustainable, and ultimately successful action, they're just more rhetoric.

Bitcoin is still a pretty young technology, and the things happening right now are changing the world. Even "the Internet of money" is a limited view of it.

Smart contracts, tokenized property, micro payments, and arbitrary escrow are just a few things there.

It's more than just rhetoric. It's a multi-billion dollar economy with millions of participants and this is just its infancy.

Quote from: 40hz on November 24, 2014, 05:00 PM

However, the implementation and execution of ideas are even more important.

Without meaningful, sustainable, and ultimately successful action, they're just more rhetoric.

Bitcoin is still a pretty young technology, and the things happening right now are changing the world. Even "the Internet of money" is a limited view of it.

Smart contracts, tokenized property, micro payments, and arbitrary escrow are just a few things there.

It's more than just rhetoric. It's a multi-billion dollar economy with millions of participants and this is just its infancy.

Agree. A multi-billion dollar economy with millions of users that will be co-opted or assimilated by the current economic system. Not to say that reforms won't ride in along with it. But they will be reforms of existing institutions - not a sea change that will completely replace them.

People with power and guns (i.e. 90% of all current governments) don't relinquish their positions and perks without a fight. A real - as in physical - fight. Something which may come as a surprise to people who primarily see the world through a virtual perceptual framework.

Unless...unless...


Yup. And all we need is for the first 10,000 martyrs to throw themselves on the sword (along with their families and loved ones) and a new era will dawn. That's the unfortunate calculus of all revolutions.

So...any takers?  

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^Really? I don't even own a gun. Nor do I have any desire to use one.

My point was just that people should know what they're getting into taking a rebel stand. And not delude oneself that a government will play by any sort of rules once the ball gets rolling. Or that's it's helpless in the face of a serious challenge. I saw government with it's claws and fangs out many years ago. It was a sobering lesson in reality. And that was genteel by today’s standards of militarized police forces.

The Oracle at Delphi said: Know thyself. To which I'd add: know what you're letting yourself in for.

Re Bitcoin: I'm neither a 'believer' nor a cynic -- but I think bitcoin *is* going to change the world, how exactly, I dont know, but it's made a start already, and even if it fails as a currency, it has opened doors that cannot be closed.

Agree. But whatever it is, I don't think it will end up being bitcoin. However, Bitcoin might possibly have opened a door for something else.

Whether it will usher in a whole new age remains to be seen. "The street finds it's own uses for things." as William Gibson so aptly said in Neuromancer.

The web was supposed to be empowering and liberating. And maybe it has been. Sorta. But it's also created the potential for a ubiquitous and repressive surveillance state Orwell couldn't have glimpsed in his worst nightmare.

This is an interesting thread that goes over cracking with a lot of math.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2nqbt2/i_rearranged_the_order_of_numbers_letters_in_my/

No excerpts as it's a long thread, and they'd be almost meaningless.

Not a topic for novices, but those intermediate and advanced math/bitcoin/computing people will likely be entertained.

I don't know what to think... 


Maybe it should be in the gamer forum... 

Microsoft is now accepting Bitcoin for XBOX credit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oxkgr/you_can_now_buy_xbox_credit_with_bitcoin/

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/2oxib4/you_can_now_buy_xbox_credit_with_bitcoin/

I'm more concerned with its value dropping than its mainstream increasing. Cripes it's down to $350 USD now ...(that shit's making me nervous)... They need to dropkick it back up to at least the 500's..

Who knows? Linus may just be right after all...

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Right now the market is once again being manipulated, as bulls and bears battle it out with the charts as the scoreboard.

Yeah, well the greedy pricks can tickle their ass with higher numbers just as easily without crippling the average Joe who's just trying to get by.

The news last night mentioned that the Wall Street vampires were having a hissy fit because of the "Horrifically low" price of gas these days ... Which is in an antithetical contrast to all of the other news reports that say that the economy is finally getting its crippled ass up out of the gutter because of gas prices dropping below the viciously gouging anal rape price range.

...And yet they sit there all baffled looking because the common man wants to have them burned at the stake...because they don't "understand" what they're doing wrong. Much like the French ruling class right before the advent of the guillotine fad back in he day ... We need to do that again.

Keep in mind that oil prices dipping like this could be a signal for a crash.

Highly doubtful...unless it being intentionally orchestrated. The Oil Err... "Energy Companies" are simply running out of bullshit excuses for keeping the prices jacked up to crippling rates. Last I heard the US is producing 80+% on its own oil so the middle east boogie man (blame game) shenanigans don't fly anymore. They've fracking well known (pun intended) for years they could drop the price to a reasonable level and still rake in mountains of cash per minute - just like they still are right now - without vimpirically draining the economy for fun and profit Ferengi style.

This kind of crap is precisely why these elitist market ghouls need to be publically executed (by the public) as a warning to others.

Canadian housing prices just dipped for the first time in 5 years. Spain & Greece have 50% youth unemployment. The Japanese economy is a shambles.

Blah Blah Blah - Global Economy... Yet another daffy excuse for pillaging the middle class ... Who for some odd reason always seen to get obligated to take the brunt of the damage in the interest of protecting the aristocratic 1%.

The US has 0.34% cash to debt (near zero liquidity), which indicates that they have a lot of market power.

"Zero Liquidity" (e.g. no cash) equates to "Market Power" how exactly?? If you're broke, you're supposed to stop buying shit ... Unless you're intention is to star in one of the many blond jokes that end with "But I still have checks left?!?"..

The oil price crash is likely part of a broader economic war on Russia. GATA was right about the PM market being manipulated. They all are. Legislation is in place to bail-in the banks (i.e. steal money from people to cover bank losses). New legislation on derivatives went through. The derivatives market is 20x (or more) the size of the world economy. Will pension funds be raided? Can we say "bubble"?

The key to Russian Roulette, is you're supposed to point the gun at your own head when the trigger is pulled...not the head of guy next to you. Which is why we need to bring back the guillotine (French style) to assist in educating the aristocracy on what constitutes 'acceptable risk' - for the greater good...

That could push people to put their savings into assets that aren't affected by traditional economic factors, and Bitcoin fits the bill.

Or more likely push people into putting their savings into something that is dependent on an infrastructure that can be pulled out from under them at a moments notice in the interest of national security, or some other totally fabricated bull shit "reason".

Right now with the price like it is, it seems like a buy & hold or buy & spend (with some holding) price. It's pretty cheap now.

Nothing is ever "cheap"...if it's all you have.