Quote from: Renegade on July 13, 2014, 12:33 AM

Quote from: Stoic Joker on July 12, 2014, 06:16 PM

Remember the concept of the self fulfilling prophecy, and add to that the knowledge that no one really has any power over you unless you give it to them. If we continuously function solely based on the assumption that TPTB have total control over everything ... Then they very soon really will. And we will all die very quietly whenever and wherever we are told too.

^ THIS!

Lest what I am saying be misconstrued, I'll spell it out a little more bluntly...

As a product of the anti-war (Viet Nam) era I too say "speak truth to power."

...

As Franklin so succinctly put it: We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

Something to think about when it comes to pushing for disruptive change.

40... This is turning into almost conditioned response to Ren and I getting together on something. There is after all a vast amount of middle ground between totally subjugated obsequence and rioting in the streets (Personally I think we're a bit too close to the first one..). Not to mention that if you look at it from a bit of a distance, the only really disruptive change being effected is the consistent downward spiraling push towards a surveillance state.

So... Much like the SOPA/PIPA/ACTA thread implies by its mere existence. Instead of just believing what were told - since the real truth is out there - whenever one of these idiotic constitutional violations shows its head .... We The People respond by making every governmental Email server explode instantaneously with the sheer volume of Email screaming NO THE HELL YOU DON'T!! And we continue to keep it up until those that keep trying to push it through get the message as their voted out ass is now job hunting.

It's really just a few clicks up from passive resistance, but it's damn sure a good place to start...and it seems to be working so far (according to the thread mentioned earlier).

The only problem lies in people weakening and falling for some bullshit "For the Children" line that allows these vermin to burrow deeper into the dark. Haul their happy ass out into the sunshine...and if their albino asses bust into flames like a vampire ... Hay WTF ... Like they always say, omelets gotta get made somehow..

Quote from: 40hz on July 13, 2014, 05:38 PM

40... This is turning into almost conditioned response to Ren and I getting together on something.

Ok...If that's the way it's being taken, or starting to sound, then perhaps I'd best just leave the two of you to it.

I'm out.  

Onward!

*Sigh* I didn't say it was good or bad (because it isn't), I was simply pointing out that it is. I realize that you have a background that involves apparently many (or enough) IRL protests for you to take a particularly seasoned view of said behavior. And that's fine ... It's also a good part of why I value your input in discussions of this type. I just suspect that at times passion may occasionally come across as bloodlust (yes I know it can be a fucking fine line ) when it's really not the objective. Best I can tell, the actual objective is to maintain the scant few parts of the status quo that don't totally suck.

You labeled Ren as a bit of a romantic not long ago, implying he viewed the world as an epic battle of good vs. evil. And while I agree with the assessment, It's also one of the things I both share with and like about him. I also understand the long game style approach that you appear to be taking. The problem is that if we - and by that I really do mean the three of us in a micro cosmic sense - can't agree on WTF should be done next ... Then we really are (as a big picture of all mankind) collectively doomed.

You dig?

Any Billy Joel fans here?

Lyrics

Lyrics:
Oh oh oh oh, oh oh oh oh oh oh

Bitcoin Girl!

She's been living in her Bitcoin world.
I bet she's never had a Wall Street guy.
She kissed the Federal Reserve goodbye -
for digital dimes.

Bitcoin Girl!
She's been living in her Bitcoin world.
where all her currency is peer-to-peer.
No regulations that can interfere --
unlike my tears.

And when she wakes up
she shakes up her "mine."
Because she knows what she wants:
it's finite supply.

That's when I realized
it is all decentralized!

She's a Bitcoin girl!
You know I've seen her in her Bitcoin world.
She's so over paper money,
which has no value intrinsically.
No stability.

D-o-o-o-o-o-ge

She's the Bitcoin Girl.
She's been living in her Bitcoin world.
Like her transactions I'm anonymous.
Look at her reading the Economist's
analysis.

Digital wallet in her pocket,
it's strange
that when I'm walking
I'm rattling with loose change.

But there's hope for me yet,
after all,
I've got Internet!

She's a Bitcoin girl.
She doesn't care that I can buy her pearls.
But maybe someday when my public key
creates a brand-new cryptocurrency
she'll pick me.

D-o-o-o-o--o-ge

She's the Bitcoin Girl,
the Bitcoin Girl --
You know I'm in love with
the Bitcoin Girl.

Very, very well done and damn funny!

Keep your eye out for the shibe!

^ havent heard that one before 40
Sounds suspiciously like a Libertarian (in the U.S. sense) song though :p
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and wasnt that partly the reason Bitcoin got going in the first place?

Awesome B-day cake!
(see attachment in previous post)
V!

Something slightly uncomfortable to me about the design of that Color design is the slant, going from top Right to bottom left, which seems to me to be less than auspicious, and I refer to 1215.,org and in the audio ( I think 1 of the set of three, but maybe it's in the set of 12) about the common law there is some description about the Ties worn centuries ago- and the symbolism of a king drawing a sword from it's sheath, and this symbolism basically emerging as the "No Parking" signs and even the little "lnodrop.cur" y'all are probably familiar with.




This about the coloured coins now, that is an awesome concept, I really like the sounds of that,   as the "struggle" for "advantage" really is about conscious "control & dominion", it's really about fully acting with cognizance fully of the opportunities and effects, and also as fully of those actions of others, both the possibilities and the resulting effects thereof.

  Technology and the net neutrality issue ( I heard about https://www.battleforthenet.com/, no idea of its affiliations but through that page I commented about how much I love and USE the INTERNET, seeing no harm in expressing myself, for I've no fear,) really acutely represent the critical issue I think we have going on where we so heavily depend upon rather elaborate schemes of DECISIONS MADE BY OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!

Tangentially- Who "OWNS" communication?  is that what the idea of a common wealth is?  Say communication is the resulting TRANSFERENCE of information, validated and bearing the meeting of the minds difference and concurrence, -- is it an abstraction? Is it effervescent, fleeting? Can one even say they own the continuance of it?   So Who Can "OWN" the Internet?   I can control and exercise dominion over technical instruments, like the keyboard I immediately use- and by all means, right now that's effectively part of the INTERNET as I know it! So I Think there must be competition very freshly and avidly among ISPs and all the rest of the infrastructure as much as is practical and ideal-like....

Take the Java debacle case in point!   Just the sheer amount of calling upon library after library, and all these things from all over the net as "fully stated herein" and the reuse of code to such an extent, not to forget mention of the chips made by other people, and the grid itself and basically what you have then is: SOCIETY! lol!   So what's new!?   Point is though-   I think there needs to be attentive cognizant construction and clarity in the creative possibilities, and of course to the extent possible, transparency....


Guess for the moment that's a BTC 2.0e[whatever] worth... :0)    which I guess roughly at the moment is 625.18 BTCUSD
Though I'm casually looking for something of a higher resolution quote, if anyone happens to be able to help me there, I'd love it!


This forum software is sweet! so far it looks very well thought out and it implements, I think some ideas I years ago had posted about- depending on what this start a new thread (with particular post as new root post of new thread?) thing is.  

Guess for the moment that's a BTC 2.0e[whatever] worth... :0)    which I guess roughly at the moment is 625.18 BTCUSD
Though I'm casually looking for something of a higher resolution quote, if anyone happens to be able to help me there, I'd love it!

Check out Bitcoin Wisdom:

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd

It's excellent and also includes other currencies as well. Here's Namecoin:

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/nmcbtc

http://i.imgur.com/OM8lWeY.png

I Find that image to pretty well sum things up rather accurately, regardless of the theories one uses to look at the apparent direct experience they experience; The key point being the subjective experience of free agency and the companion point of perspective inherent therewith.

As far as I think about intelligence and systems theory- that's the conclusion I come to- that we have the responsibility and freedom of choice to direct the experience we experience, collectively- though collectively is made up from the core individual seed of this that I think is a great gift of life!

I found good discussion on the topic at the website where the image is sourced from, and this all I found doing a rather amusing and humorous search on images related to the term anarcocapitalism.

The commentary is here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/1gyql5/#
which I think very nicely demonstrates the clear reasoning that I think satisfies the balance between responsibility for self and self's environment.


As far as ownership, the best I've encountered in reasoning is that it is ultimately nothing more than a claim requiring demonstration, i.e. proof, and depending on various interpretations of information regarding title and liens and so on, I figure it safe to merely demonstrate proof of being the holder in due course of any title, as well as of being original creditor at least as demonstrable via direct and immediate usufructuary interest and declared clear intent, (i.e. like a living will, acting as the executor of the trust of the "You"/ Name entity)

Based on the comprehension I have garnered from information available branching out from the links I've previously posted, I think there is quite a brilliant system of jurisprudence in play, and I find the whole rules of the game to probably be far more brilliant and enlightening than much of the alternative media and dissent portrays and suggest it to be,  all based on that hinge that before you have ownership- there is a claim of it staked, and that the rest of the world is thus hinged on the basic persuasiveness held- which I previously referred to as "advantage"

also fundamental to the way I look at all these related things is that based on how the markets and intelligent creativity work, the experience of any including new advantage seems to me to in no way imply any sort of disadvantaging of some theoretical other, and this because- in the case of the vast variety possible in a market characteristically free see footnote 1 - this because of the spread across time and reason for buying and selling; in other words: advantage can be a WIN-WIN-WIN scenario, with no on at a disadvantage, and the same with an ideal-like sort of competition- it can bring the best of good out of any and all involved- and benefit everyone, BECAUSE of the variety of pursuits possible.

There is no end to problems needing fixing- no end to the solutions that can be found and the leverage of efficiency, and novel design thus enjoyed!   There is no reason for a monopoly, and no excuse for it, but people need to actively pursue the advantage they can in order to realize a better picture of this being so!


Just some more thoughts, I'm wary of getting into a work requiring extensive attention to punctuation and so on, such can become unwieldy for me rather quickly!

Quote from: ediblesound on July 16, 2014, 01:47 AM

Quote from: Renegade on July 14, 2014, 01:58 PM

Awesome B-day cake!
(see attachment in previous post)
V!

Something slightly uncomfortable to me about the design of that Color design is the slant, going from top Right to bottom left, which seems to me to be less than auspicious, and I refer to 1215.,org and in the audio ( I think 1 of the set of three, but maybe it's in the set of 12) about the common law there is some description about the Ties worn centuries ago- and the symbolism of a king drawing a sword from it's sheath, and this symbolism basically emerging as the "No Parking" signs and even the little "lnodrop.cur" y'all are probably familiar with.

The black & yellow flag is the anarcho-capitalist flag. Check my response to tomos above as there's some info about that in there. I'm not sure about the sword imagery though.

Ok So maybe imagine a middle ages scene where you have somehow crossed a noble , and encountering the noble: They get off a horse, approaching thee, they draw a sword with the right hand, preparing to swipe a head off, or....

That's the imagery, so I am a bit averse to the reverse of that symbolism, and would prefer to have that flag with the diagonal slant going from upper left to lower right, as would it appear were I drawing a sword on the left hip with the right arm- that diagonal is formed by the arm across the chest!

  Like the old ties that can still be found more often in second hand goods stores, with the same directional slant in design.  Nowadas notice how many people not aware of the historical reason behind the tie's symbolism walk around, and even go to court (and whose court?!!) wearing a tie with a design slanting from upper right to lower left!  Foolish!?




Footnote 1:
( I think that a free market is unavoidable, though the CHOICE can be as steep as much as  coercion can (theoretically) exist- i.e. the core issues at the bundy ranch (new mexico rancher and recognition of jurisdictions)  assertions of controversy, which I feel it wise to be wary of as being a precursor of something to have an idea of what one desires and how to effectively experience it with all the contingencies taken into consideration as much as possible; title to: cars, bodies, life, DNA, time, transactional units- here at discussion with the bitcoin- the same idea must I think be extended in application to all things desired, i.e. ALLODIAL title via the land patent, et cetera!!!)

With the allodial title via the land patent, and other information out there- the issue comes down I think to who has liens on the name entity used, which liens are superseding and preeminent, and also- the addressing here in the united states is a bit messy, in that the zip codes exist in a commercial abstraction- made clear in the doing of that allodial thing i think...


Comes to it, one must preemptively look forward to these possibilities and use all at disposal to create the best life they can!

Perfecting a title is more complicated than one might expect, going the paper route, there's a lot of layers legallity - belief, basically- that serve to allow for such like a false bottomed absolute- which could be unexpected pulled out from under thee!  

I like to think in long term perspective, of course!


wait a minute!   You are obviously talking about digital space domain addressing, right?    well then-   I will have to catch up in comprehension of the specifics there, and that's why I am here.

Recently- listening to steve gibson talk about secure QR login, for an anonymous means of authentication, I have found the topic to be very fascinating, he calls it squirrel and I see this as potentially having applications for blackbox voting, for those interested, and also for perhaps somehow to do with what you write about.

Again, Comes down to it, persuasion and enforcement is the means in this world, whether one likes it or not!  As we each and all are as free as percieved and practiceable!


Same issues though- You would have to prove effectively that it is you using the address- demonstrate it, and demonstrate probably i think- some sort of exclusivity of usage there- which I think could feasibly be done- in order to claim absolute (as for relevant circumstances) control and dominion of the property- in this case I guess an internet address(?)

RE YaCy - Yes. It is open source. Give it a look.

So it seems there are aspects of fungibility AND nonfungibility to the lineage-possessing commodity/currency,  nonfungible in the lineage of prepossessers, or- I guess I need to focus on exactly how these all work...  

Funny you should mention that. I'm in the middle of writing an article on why the fiat currency we use today isn't fungible and how the fungibility lie works.

Quote from: Renegade on July 16, 2014, 07:23 AM

RE YaCy - Yes. It is open source. Give it a look.

Quote from: ediblesound on July 16, 2014, 06:54 AM

So it seems there are aspects of fungibility AND nonfungibility to the lineage-possessing commodity/currency,  nonfungible in the lineage of prepossessers, or- I guess I need to focus on exactly how these all work... 

Funny you should mention that. I'm in the middle of writing an article on why the fiat currency we use today isn't fungible and how the fungibility like works.

would love to contribute however I can in these subjects, and learn as much as possible,  and specifically- love to review as much information as possible on the subjects and to see the collaboration in the ideal-like consolidation of information- as a scattering of cogent thought in diffusion is slow ( which I think can also sometimes be great, humour for example often relies on the lightning strike of delayed consolidation) - and I believe the answers come together as people mix the variety of perspective- preferably in the peaceful way!

In otherwords- would love to read it at any time you are comfortable.

If anyone responds, I guarantee that people will scream at me for it and call me all kids of names. It won't change the facts though.

The yacy network actually seems like an interesting and potentially good way to evolve the ForEx market, which from what I read is already in some ways like that, especially with the expanding number of brokers, and the internet in general.

Fair warning - Bitcoin charts are addictive when you first get in, and especially when it starts rising.

There are others out there as well, but that's one of the best.

I'm looking for a feed to plug in to MT5, Metatrader five- because I have some nice stuff I'd like to run it through- and then of course I need an excel feed, where I'm busy developing things in there...    I really like technical analysis, and harmonic resonance and reflective waves and that kind of stuff.  The reverberations in market movements—interactive fields of co-expressed emotional and reasoned action-reaction, generally whether by finger or mentally designed algorithm (!!)— are so holographic it's almost as if time is nonexistent - you can practically pinpoint when and where certain movements will end up- with remarkable accuracy, I love it.....


No matter how rigged the game is- the remedy is to rig the rigging (i.e. technical analysis to reverse engineer technical analysis, social engineering to reverse social engineering, etc.) -   every backdoor has a backdoor! At least I expect as much!

XAUUSD goes from 1292-to 1311 how often, as a rough example.... (or visaversa, and 1264, 1301 and 1327-30) it's all math- and that- it's fractal-like, incredibly beautiful....  art in numbers...... nature in digits!

Will BTC Displace
1 Special Drawing Right - SDR = 1.5413 US Dollar
1 XDR = 1.5413 USD
As of Wednesday, Jul 16, 2014, 01:26 PM GMT
????
For oil companies?


What matters to me-   Protecting the things I care about- enhancing life for me and who I love, and those that follow after- what can I make a difference in...   What is realistic? what is my responsibility? Who do I answer to?   I go back to when to trace issues like fiat ("so be it!") ?  I've read things about roman insurance fraud, nero and the "assumed" death of unaccounted for individuals after the fire in Rome, and insurance policies, ???(LOL!!!)  Who knows!?  it's an old thing, it seems!

Does the sound of wonder, joy and satisfaction disrupt and inhibit any silent weapons for quiet wars?  At least on the individual level I expect- and the criticality I see as perniciously persistant is the grave effects of long term influence- but it's not so grave as it is an incredibly extended form of social leverage- a multi-generational tool that has like a fractal seed in the perinatal environment- where children are the key to the world!  

Everybodies' bottom line is a complicit amalgam of eachothers, yet individually we can exhalt the experience, but how much further, or differently can the experience be exhalted together?  This I don't know, but I wonder about:  Can entire galaxies be created by the thoughts of a very motivating and conscious few, or many?   Who knows, And as I look upon the universe- Do I see an unforgiving faceless nameless sea of non-emotional black, or do I see a seE of inviting infinite wonder beckoning me to pry further, try harder, and imagine vaster?


So it matters- but does it matter so much- enough for me to decide for another? That removes their bottom line experience!   And while we do all decide for the  each other in influence, Experience, perception is INTRINSICALLY a facet WITH individual freedom, individual free agency, individual responsibility, yet there is a natural law that sifts everybody and their choices consequentially to a balance through out the whole, and so things work out, naturally, and there is room for wonder, and all the rest- yet ire seems to me to be better reserved for where it is used effectively!

One of the pivotal moments for me was when I realized that in all my outrage about supposed issues, I discovered it is actually a passion rooted in love, like everything else.  It seems I always knew this- and it is amazing the journeys possible - internally, one can go through just in the way they look into the world, -  quite a trip reality can be....  With the exquisite twists and turns of the most fascinating thriller edge of the seat fantasy....

Yet another fly in the ointment. This from Wired:

New York’s New Bitcoin Rules Are Going to Kill Its Startups

    By Robert McMillan 
    07.17.14  |  2:15 pm  |
   

New York State has released a first draft of its much-anticipated plan to regulate bitcoin and other virtual currencies, and at first blush, they look like they were written for the 19th century banking industry, not the modern fast-changing world of crypto currencies.

The guy responsible for the rules, Benjamin Lawsky, has a fine line to walk. Bitcoin, after all, came of age as a lubricant for illegal activity on the Silk Road. But today, a new generation of bitcoin startups are coming of age with millions of dollars in backing from legitimate venture capital companies. Is New York about to drive these startups out of town by clubbing them with onerous regulations before they can walk? Quite possibly. The New York regulations introduce a new level of reporting rules that cover a wider swath of businesses and require more work than the current federal guidelines.

The guidelines ask bitcoin businesses to keep track not only of the physical addresses of their customers, but also of anybody who sends their customers money using the bitcoin network. That undermines the fundamental value proposition of bitcoin, which works very much like the internet’s version of cash. But there’s more. Bitcoin businesses must also file frequent reports to Lawsky’s organization, the New York State Department of Financial Services, or DFS, to detail changes in ownership, financial forecasts, even strategic business plans. <more>

A complete copy of the NYC-DFS draft regulation discussed above can be downloaded here.