Author Topic: a 3D game that is only 97kb! (Read 32,995 times)

lanux128 · « **on:** January 15, 2007, 04:27 AM »

introducing .kkrieger, a free 3D game that is only 97kb!

Quote from: "website"

the infamous beta version available for download now!
.theprodukkt´s first product: chapter I of our experimental first person shooter. all the code, textures, geometry, sound, monsters and, well, lots of bugs - all crammed into 96 kilobytes.
it´s free - and there are only few copies left - so make sure to get it .now.!

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nudone · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2007, 09:02 AM »

insane.

f0dder · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2007, 10:07 AM »

Hm, I'm pretty sure this has been mentioned before? Weird if it hasn't, anyway

I remember seeing farbrausch's fr-08 live on a big-screen at The Party, 2000. That was pretty cool

Too bad The Party went bust... got infected by gamer-lamers anyway, and turned from a demoparty to a lame CS kiddie shoot-out.

mouser · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2007, 11:52 AM »

Incredible.

Lashiec · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2007, 06:32 PM »

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was mentioned before, but it's still a good thing to remember the talent of some people. The demo scene was always impressive since the days of the Amiga, and games like this only strength this fact.

lanux128 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2007, 01:01 AM »

sorry if it has been mentioned before, but a search at the forums didn't turn up anything..

anyway, has anyone tried the game? curious to know because currently i don't have a 3d card..

f0dder · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2007, 01:25 AM »

I couldn't find it either, must be because it's been mentioned at other forums I frequent

Yeah, I tried it a couple of times. It's pretty heavy GPU-wise, iirc it wasn't 100% smooth on a radeon9600, a bit better at a GeForce6600, and runs pretty well on my current GF7600GT.

The AI and physics and such is pretty simple, but the procedurally generated textures are very pretty, the shaders (lighting, bumpmapping) make it look even better, and the geometry (probably also procedural

) looks nice as well.

This approach won't really work for large-scale "real life" games IMHO, but it is pretty nifty nonetheless.

lanux128 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2007, 01:42 AM »

good to hear that it works well with GF7600GT, at least it doesn't crash horribly with other cards. since it's very small, i just might throw it into my usb stick for diagnostic purpose..

mouser · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2007, 03:16 AM »

i played it to the end - amazing that they put that into 100k.

Lashiec · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2007, 02:15 PM »

Quote from: mouser on January 16, 2007, 03:16 AM

i played it to the end - amazing that they put that into 100k.

Considering what type of programming they're using, the amazing thing is that they didn't go mad during the process. And that the process resulted in something so incredible.

It runs on a GeForce7600 GT, huh? So it should run also on a Radeon X1600 Pro

f0dder · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2007, 03:27 PM »

Well, the executable is compressed iirc - that does shrink it down somewhat. But do check out http://www.theprodukkt.com for some info on how they achieve this whole thing.

lanux128 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2007, 01:34 AM »

Quote from: f0dder on January 16, 2007, 03:27 PM

But do check out http://www.theprodukkt.com for some info on how they achieve this whole thing.

also, check out the technical FAQ in the readme.txt for some pointers on how they did it.. btw, managed to get a pc with 3d card and the game is just neat!

Deozaan · « **Reply #12 on:** January 19, 2007, 06:22 AM »

Graphics sure are purdy but the sound effects make my ears bleed.

lanux128 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 19, 2007, 08:29 AM »

maybe that's how they managed to make it so tiny, since sound/dialog takes up most of the space in a game..

f0dder · « **Reply #14 on:** January 19, 2007, 09:34 AM »

Sound is procedurally generated too

Works pretty well in fr-08 imho, but you have to like that kind of music, of course.

psionics · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2008, 10:44 PM »

just wanna bring up a good topic..

This is interesting, or maybe an old news for others.. a 104 Kilobytes game, smaller than my Resume` in MS Word document! a bit old now I think.. download it here and enjoy the high quality graphics 3D game:

The 104KB 3D Game:
http://www.theprodukkt.com/kkrieger

and

The 177KB 3D Simulation:
http://www.theprodukkt.com/debris

Looks like a good hard work Assembly Language game thats worth the experiencing

f0dder · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2008, 06:24 PM »

psionics: umm, you're linking to kkrieger, which is exactly what this thread was about? And where do you get the 104KB figure from, kkrieger is 94KB?

Quote from: "psionics"

Looks like a good hard work Assembly Language game thats worth the experiencing

Not really, farb-rausch do most of their stuff in C++... the small size is achieved by generating textures and geometry procedurally, and of course the usual trick of EXE compression.

psionics · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2008, 08:05 PM »

"just wanna bring up a good topic.."
+ with the direct link.
is there something I should know? I feel like I am restricted to post good comments.. I have nothing to prove dude.
96kb is right. the uncompressed version + the text file concluded the 104kb when you check it's folder's size.

f0dder · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2008, 01:49 AM »

I just wondered why you posted to the same game that the topic was originally about

, and then claimed it was 104kb (the exe is 96kb, but yeah, it uses exe compression). But I'm repeating myself

Gothi[c] · « **Reply #19 on:** March 20, 2008, 05:04 AM »

Very impressive. I'm hoping to see more of this procedural stuff in commercial games so we don't keep having to get bigger harddrives

f0dder · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2008, 05:09 AM »

Thing is, you can't do everything procedurally. You can do cool stuff that way, but not everything, and with the amount of textures in a modern game... you would need long load times, or large disk caches. Iirc, the farb-rausch demos used to take ~30-60 seconds of pre-computation before loading on contemporary hardware.

lanux128 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2008, 05:16 AM »

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Very impressive. I'm hoping to see more of this procedural stuff in commercial games so we don't keep having to get bigger harddrives

yeah, the requirements are getting insane by the game, not only for hard-drive space but memory too.. has anyone seen the minimum requirement for the PC version of Assassin's Creed? it's listed as requiring 3GB of RAM!

f0dder · « **Reply #22 on:** March 20, 2008, 05:29 AM »

lanux: games are developed with console specs in mind, nowadays... and those specs aren't always adjusted to PC hardware before published.

A modern games has pretty insane texture and model requirements, which (on PCs) require a lot of GPU memory, but on consoles are generally shared memory.

psionics · « **Reply #23 on:** March 20, 2008, 07:48 AM »

Quote from: lanux128 on March 20, 2008, 05:16 AM

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Very impressive. I'm hoping to see more of this procedural stuff in commercial games so we do

Quote from: lanux128 on March 20, 2008, 05:16 AM

Quote from: Gothi[c
link=topic=7014.msg106322#msg106322 date=1205989458]
Very impressive. I'm hoping to see more of this procedural stuff in commercial games so we don't keep having to get bigger harddrives

yeah, the requirements are getting insane by the game, not only for hard-drive space but memory too.. has anyone seen the minimum requirement for the PC version of Assassin's Creed? it's listed as requiring 3GB of RAM!

I had installed the warez version of it(asassin's creed that crashes in jerusalem) with a 2gb RAM and HD2600 XT 512mb DDR3 and it has no lag. DX9 and DX10 version has no graphical difference accept that it has a faster loading time in DX10

Its a good game. but whenever someone in the world make a bootable PC OS Game Console, that would probably insane

f0dder · « **Reply #24 on:** March 20, 2008, 04:19 PM »

"Bootable game OS" for PCs wouldn't make sense, really... console's strength lies in uniform hardware and very capable CPU/GPUs.