DonationCoder.com forum
 
Read-only archive. This is a static copy of the DonationCoder.com forum. Reading and searching work as before; logging in, posting and private messages do not.
Archive of 2026-10-21 · About this archive · Main site

Author Topic: Citizendium - Wikipedia with More Expert/Editor Control  (Read 11,613 times)

mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 40,931
    • Gathering Badge
    • Plugin Coding Medal
    • Participated in NANY Challenge Seventeen Times
    • Cody Award
    • Coding Snacks
    • Volunteers/Staff
Citizendium - Wikipedia with More Expert/Editor Control
« on: October 22, 2006, 02:51 AM »
For those of you who haven't heard about it, Citizendium is a "fork" of the original Wikipedia encyclopedia project that is designed to overcome some of the (perceived) weaknesses of Wikipedia, mainly having to do with lack of expert oversight.

From official announcement (http://citizendium.org/):
Quote
We believe a fork is necessary, and justified, both to allow regular people a place to work under the direction of experts, and in which personal accountability--including the use of real names--is expected.  In short, we want to create a responsible community and a good global citizen.

And a good long thoughtfull recent essay on it (hat tip http://www.nedbatchelder.com):


Make sure you read the end of that, it's quite good.

Screenshot - 10_21_2006 , 9_42_58 PM_thumb.png

mouser

  • First Author
  • Administrator
  • Joined in 2005
  • *****
  • Posts: 40,931
    • Gathering Badge
    • Plugin Coding Medal
    • Participated in NANY Challenge Seventeen Times
    • Cody Award
    • Coding Snacks
    • Volunteers/Staff
Re: Citizendium - Wikipedia with More Expert/Editor Control
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2006, 02:55 AM »
I've been on record for a long time that the lack of domain-experts is a real weakness of these social network content sites like digg and wikipedia, and i think it's shocking that wiki implementations have such poor ganularity in editing role permissions.  See for my essay on democratic-style expert selection.

vegas

  • Charter Member
  • Joined in 2005
  • ***
  • Posts: 357
Re: Citizendium - Wikipedia with More Expert/Editor Control
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 06:26 AM »
Looks like they went with SMF Forums http://smf.citizendium.org/ - go figure  :P

brotherS

  • Master of Good Ideas
  • Honorary Member
  • Joined in 2005
  • **
  • Posts: 2,261
Re: Citizendium - Wikipedia with More Expert/Editor Control
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2006, 08:20 PM »
From official announcement (http://citizendium.org/):
Quote
We believe a fork is necessary, and justified, both to allow regular people a place to work under the direction of experts, and in which personal accountability--including the use of real names--is expected.  In short, we want to create a responsible community and a good global citizen.
I like the more 'anarchist' approach of Wikipedia. From the article you linked:

Quote
That said, I am troubled by some aspects of Sanger's Citizendium. Aside from its pretentious title (which participants are already saying must be changed), this feels in some ways like an attempt by old-guard academics to retake control of humanity's knowledge. - Jason Sanford
Those were almost exactly my thoughts after I heard about Citizendium on the radio!

Two more great quotes from the article:
Quote
Basically what I think works in a wikis is to trust people to do the right thing, and trust them as much as you can possibly stand it, until it hurts your head and makes you scared for what they're going to break. Because that is what works. - Jimmy Wales

Quote
My belief is that Wikipedia's success dramatizes instead a change in the nature of authority, moving from trust inhering in guarantees offered by institutions to probabilities created by processes. - Clay Shirky

:-*
Thank you.

Original address: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=5878.0