I finally found Elecom/Deft they are in Japan and make a good mouse actually they make several trackball mice . I have been using their cordless pro and what they call Huge. Both are very nice and not bad price either.



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I am trying the Logitech Mx Master 2 and 3.. Both are good enough.I've been using a 2s for years. The only thing I don't like about it (still) is the angle of my hand while using it. Coming from using a vertical mouse, it took some getting used to and still causes me some discomfort.
The back and forward buttons on the Mx Master 2 are much worse than they were in pervious models -- they are tiny and on top of (overlapping even) each other. The MX Master 3 are much more reasonable. For that reason alone the MX Master 3 gets my vote by a mile.Those are my copy/paste buttons.

The wheel is very strange how once you start rolling it it just goes on forever.. I'm still getting used to it, but I could take it or leave it.I like how it has 2 of them. I use the side wheel as volume control.
If the battery life holds up I'll be satisfied.
Logitech CEO Hanneke Faber recently discussed the possibility of one day selling a mouse that customers can use "forever." The executive said such a mouse isn't "necessarily super far away" and will rely on software updates, likely delivered through a subscription model.https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/07/logitech-has-an-idea-for-a-forever-mouse-thatrequires-a-subscription/

hoping that the modern "gaming" mice will be more resistant.After years of using Logitech M705 mice, where newer editions started double-clicking when not intended because of poor switches, I've since then bought the Razer Basilisk X, and that has proven to be of better quality, and still big enough for my not so small hands, but not as bulky and pricey as the Logitech MX Master. Another reason not to choose Logitech again was several reports of their sometimes poor quality from other ppl (colleagues, forum, tech-news).
hoping that the modern "gaming" mice will be more resistant.After years of using Logitech M705 mice, where newer editions started double-clicking when not intended because of poor switches, I've since then bought the Razer Basilisk X, and that has proven to be of better quality, and still big enough for my not so small hands, but not as bulky and pricey as the Logitech MX Master. Another reason not to choose Logitech again was several reports of their sometimes poor quality from other ppl (colleagues, forum, tech-news).

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