Topic: Windows 10 as an Internet service? (Read 33,766 times)
I wouldn't think you'd have to install it to get the upgrade, nor have zero media. Why not get the upgrade, and just not install it?
I wouldn't think you'd have to install it to get the upgrade, nor have zero media. Why not get the upgrade, and just not install it?
Oh, can that be done? I thought there would be some activation code or licence that expires?
Gavin Clarke over at The register puts his two cents in. Read it
Interesting article, thanks for this. One thing I don't get it why MS thinks being so cryptic about their plan is a good thing. Their event raised more questions than answers, and now everyone out there is reading the tea leaves and trying to make sense of stupid things like what did MS mean by a "device". They could have just spelled out the plan, rather than allow for all these speculations to proliferate (and most of them seem to draw negative conclusions).
Could they be really so bad at marketing? What is that about? Or maybe they haven't actually agreed on a plan yet (which is not a good sign either)? Or maybe the plan (the truth) is even more negative than the speculations? I just can't see how it could be a good thing to leave millions of customers out there scratching their heads.
As for the free upgrade, I will probably wait until the last week of the 11th month to see all the feedback on the bugs and issues etc., whether it's really worth it or better to stick with Win7 (unless the early feedback will be really amazing). But to be honest, all I heard so far is that they bring back features for which there are already better 3rd party tools anyway (like the Start menu), so I'm not seeing yet the fabulous benefits of upgrading.
I wouldn't think you'd have to install it to get the upgrade, nor have zero media. Why not get the upgrade, and just not install it?
Oh, can that be done? I thought there would be some activation code or licence that expires?
I wouldn't think you'd have to install it to get the upgrade, nor have zero media. Why not get the upgrade, and just not install it?
Oh, can that be done? I thought there would be some activation code or licence that expires?
I'm guessing they'll handle it through the same mechanism they use for their Anytime Upgrade. It'll probably read your ID and activation info, and update their customer database so they know you requested the upgrade - and then irrevocably move you up to 10 - after which you likely won't ever be able to downgrade to (or reactivate) Windows 7. Even if you have disks. If you need system backups or want machine specific restoration disks, you'll have to make them using the recovery tools already built into Windows. Just like you can now.
Seriously. This will be a one-way corridor you'll have to contractually agree (via the EULA) to walk down. The primary reason they're doing this "for free" is to get you off Windows 7, regardless of whatever other reasons they may also have. And they intend to do it once and for all when they do. No repeating that XP holdout debacle.
Microsoft may be clueless at times. But they're not stupid.
But that wasn't the way that the Windows 8 upgrade was handled for the same purpose. I received media to install.
If there's no media and such, there's no way in HELL I'm taking them up on that offer. And I think that anyone that has any modicum of sense would do the same. There's too many reasons to need media to fall for that.
But that wasn't the way that the Windows 8 upgrade was handled for the same purpose. I received media to install.
Yes. But you either bought a new PC within the "qualifies for free upgrade to Windows 8" timeframe - or you paid money to get it.
They intend to tombstone Windows 7. So as long as Windows 10 does as it claims on the tin, and doesn't try to fence you in too much without a viable escape hatch (which is probably too much to hope for), it's probably silly not to upgrade. Or at least no sillier than sticking with Windows to begin with.
I'm guessing they'll handle it through the same mechanism they use for their Anytime Upgrade. It'll probably read your ID and activation info, and update their customer database so they know you requested the upgrade - and then irrevocably move you up to 10 - after which you likely won't ever be able to downgrade to (or reactivate) Windows 7. Even if you have disks.
Again, in that case I might just want to stick with my Win7 disk for a while, in the face of all this uncertainty about the details (which even businesses do not tend to like). Wouldn't it just have been easier if they'd revealed a bit more detail and put our minds at ease??
As with a lot of things... there's FUD clouding the issue.
My point is that MS introducing so much uncertainty may have created the opposite effect they wanted to achieve, i.e. people may be more inclined to stick with their Win7 instead (or even go out and buy a retail pack - at least looking at Amazon UK, people still seem to be buying them, even though it's 60 pounds (!) more expensive now than what I paid for it exactly 2 yrs ago).Yes, except this time they are doing it to themselves...
As with a lot of things... there's FUD clouding the issue.
Yes, except this time they are doing it to themselves...
They've had free upgrades before...
why assume that it's anything different than what the policy has always been?
They've had free upgrades before...
I don't seem to recall any 'free' full version upgrades that weren't purchased as part of a "free upgrade" guarantee offer. (i.e. "Shop with confidence! Buy now - and get a 'free' upgrade to Windows XX when it's released later this year...") What did I miss?why assume that it's anything different than what the policy has always been?
AFAIK, Microsoft's policy has always been: copies of Windows are never ever to be given away for free. Period. Everyone must pay something to get one. So in this instance, I think this marks a truly major departure from Microsoft's long standing "NO FREEBIES!" rule.
Did you see something that says otherwise?
and don't get where the talks of a subscription are.
You're saying that b/c it's totally free, there has to be a catch.
We don't look gift horses in the mouth, right? 
Everything people have said about subscriptions is based upon zero information and much speculation.
Everything people have said about subscriptions is based upon zero information and much speculation.
Not quite true, although it is entirely speculation (and highly unlikely) at this point.
Everything people have said about subscriptions is based upon zero information and much speculation.
Not quite true, although it is entirely speculation (and highly unlikely) at this point.
It does raise the question though of how they're going to make money off of consumers and small businesses if there would be no subscription. If it's not the OS that has the subscription, then the software it runs does (MS Office etc.), or it's a walled garden to which developers have to pay through the teeth to access it. Or they would need to make their money on the hardware (equivalent of Apple's various devices, especially phones and tablets), and then periodically make the hardware obsolete by new OS upgrades. But this last one somehow failed to take off for MS...
PCs changed all that. Software started to be thought of as sold once the old dinosaur code devs reluctantly realized private individuals didn't have the money or patience to put up with arcane software licensing rules and restrictions.
Ultimately I suspect that the whole PC/Internet wild west show is going to get turned just another corporate sucking noise just like every other technological advance -(television/telephone/the automobile/etc.)- that was really fun until some idiot insisted on making it safe and profitable.
And purely for the convenience of those who want to protect us from what they feel we need to be protected from - whether we want it or not.
I will be sooooo happy once I get completely out from under the Windows/Mac/iOS/Droid virtual reality containment dome.Me too. Although there would be some windows withdrawal symptoms I'd have to be prepared for.
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