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Author Topic: Gmail Notes (Sidebar add-on for Firefox only) - Mini Review  (Read 18,525 times)

IainB

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App NameGmail Notes (Sidebar for Firefox only)
App URLhttp://gmailnotes.appspot.com/
App Version ReviewedCurrent free add-on version 1.5 (Gmail Notes)
Test System SpecsKey Features: Some Technical Details - from here.
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We're not sure if anyone is interested, but here are some of the technical details behind Gmail Notes.

Gmail Notes became technically feasible when Google released Gmail Version 2 in late 2007. One of the great features in Gmail 2 is that each conversation can be accessed by a persistent URL. More precisely, each Gmail conversation has a unique, persistent identifier that can be mapped into a URL. And that identifier can be easily retrieved from the browser and used as a persistent index for each note. To implement our system, we needed three things:
  • A server to store notes online
  • A way to detect the current Gmail conversation
  • A user interface to display and edit notes
To store notes online, Google provides another excellent resource in the Google App Engine (GAE) framework, which was first released to the public in early 2008. Applications are very easy to develop using the Python programming language. When uploaded to the Google infrastructure, these applications run "in the cloud". The design of the Gmail Notes server application is based on what is called a RESTful architecture, and we also use JSON (javascript object notation) for the data interface. Unfortunately, we can't point to any good working definitions of REST (we think the Wikipedia entry is disappointing) or JSON, but please trust us when we say that adopting these two techniques made the design easy to implement. And with Google App Engine, it was very easy to get a working note server, which, admittedly, is one of the simplest web applications you could write.

As for detecting the current Gmail page, we wrote a browser extension to track the current URL in the address bar. The extensions parses the URL to check if it is a Gmail page and if so, in also extracts the persistent conversation identifier.

The user interface is an html/javascript "web application" that runs in the Firefox sidebar. The information from the browser extension is passed to the sidebar application, which connects to the Gmail Notes server to retrieve notes from the online datastore.

That's all you need to add notes to Gmail. If it is that easy for us, it makes you wonder why the folks at Google won't take a day or two to put their own note feature in Gmail...
Supported OSesFirefox only
Support Methods
  • Built-in feedback system
  • Email
Upgrade PolicyAutomatic free upgrades.
Trial Version Available?Yes. (The production version)
Pricing SchemeFreeware

SCREENSHOT OF APP INTERFACE: the tabbed sidebar
There are 3 tabs:
  • About: about the sidebar and room for feedback.
  • List: List of notes from the server.
  • Note: displays the note for any given email in your Gmail viewing window
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« Last Edit: March 25, 2012, 11:34 PM by IainB »

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Re: Gmail Notes (Sidebar add-on for Firefox only) - Mini Review
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2012, 09:45 PM »
Good effort Iain, I vaguely remember looking at this, and not liking that it requires an external server. My general approach to Cloud-y things is to minimize the trend of using seductive "use our server" services with third parties.

My response to this is Anand's StickANote. Since most of my emails are titled differently from each other, Anand's program seems to usually find the right window most of the time. But it's local to me, and not floating around with a "sign in". I know, that means I can't see my notes on other machines, but I only look at work email at work.

However, even broader, I just use Google Superstars and tag "decayed emails" (where it once was a typical email but some portion of it or the attachments turned out to be wrong and contain mistakes), I just mark that email "radioactive". So that when it turns up in a search for some topic, I just know to go back to basics to recreate that topic and not to trust the email. By that point if I am caught up there is a better copy of all those documents on our company server.
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Re: Gmail Notes (Sidebar add-on for Firefox only) - Mini Review
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2012, 11:38 PM »
Thanks @TaoPhoenix.
As for alternatives:
There are several app-aware sticky-note type applications that can attach notes to particular windows.
I had tried out Anand's StickANote (which I think is great). but uninstalled it when it didn't seem to be any different to other app-aware sticky-note things.
Gmail Notes seems to be unique in that it enables you to attach a note to a particular email in Gmail - which you can't seem to do with any other tool that I have come across so far. And that's all it does.
That's why in the review Why I think you should use this product, I wrote:
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...it fills a handy niche that cannot otherwise be filled. (See Where Gmail Notes Are Used, above.)

Being a abit paranoid, I don't entirely like Gmail Notes being in the cloud, but, if I'm using Gmail, then I'm connected to the cloud whilst reading my email, and so having the notes always connected only via the cloud is not an issue (i.e., it happens by default). I wouldn't usually need one without the other, if you see what I mean.
Ideally, I would like Gmail Notes to be encrypted and to have some facility for storing a local copy of the notes as well.
However, not having local copies of email (or Gmail Notes) is not an issue for me. I decided a while back that having my email in the cloud - in a non-private, censored, less secure, and unencrypted web-based medium (e.g., Gmail) - was a tolerable risk, and so, though I have a local email package (currently trialling Outlook for this and some other uses) and can always POP my Gmail account, I only do actually POP it once in a blue moon.

The main difficulty I have had with Gmail has been accessing it from within clients' networks, where they might have a policy to block access to things like (say) Gmail, Hotmail, auction sites, or "social networking" sites. This can be a real pain if you need to be able to check for and access private emails from other customers - so, the first time I ran into this problem some years ago, I worked around it using the brilliant Google groups, which I still use and which never seems to be blocked by such policies.
Again, being a bit paranoid, the Google groups approach also provides a great online archive for those incoming emails (and their attachments) that I might have deleted too hastily! And you can send replies to those emails too, from within Google groups, which leaves you unaffected by any local network access policy blocks.    :)

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Re: Gmail Notes (Sidebar add-on for Firefox only) - Mini Review
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 11:53 PM »
A bit off-topic:
However, even broader, I just use Google Superstars and tag "decayed emails" (where it once was a typical email but some portion of it or the attachments turned out to be wrong and contain mistakes), I just mark that email "radioactive". So that when it turns up in a search for some topic, I just know to go back to basics to recreate that topic and not to trust the email. By that point if I am caught up there is a better copy of all those documents on our company server.
Yes, I tend to use all the features and labs in Gmail that are on offer, as they can provide you with some great ways to turn the vanilla webmail service into some potentially very useful workflow and To Do/action tools/methods.

I also use the ActiveInbox add-on from http://www.activeinboxhq.com/ - highly recommended.    :Thmbsup:
And, incidentally, whilst trialling Outlook, I have integrated it with Jello (from http://jello-dashboard.net/ - which presented me with some mind-churning possibilities.
And after starting to use OneNotes and integrating that with Outlook/Jello...my brain hurts.

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Re: Gmail Notes (Sidebar add-on for Firefox only) - Mini Review
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2012, 12:33 AM »
Thanks @TaoPhoenix.
As for alternatives:
There are several app-aware sticky-note type applications that can attach notes to particular windows.
I had tried out Anand's StickANote (which I think is great). but uninstalled it when it didn't seem to be any different to other app-aware sticky-note things.
Gmail Notes seems to be unique in that it enables you to attach a note to a particular email in Gmail - which you can't seem to do with any other tool that I have come across so far. And that's all it does.

I think I disagree, unless I am misunderstanding you. Generic Sticky programs "just make notes and sit there". I haven't tried many "app-aware" versions of sticky programs since Tom Revell's Stickies does pretty well for me.

But Anand's program does seem to be able to attach to a specific email because it grafts to a "window title" such as "Email to Iain, please try my chocolate cake". I may have at most three of those because soon I "edit the subject title" to "Iain likes busty women at parties, note to self, hire that girl I met last summer."

I tested it on a couple of emails, and only stopped using it because the emails decayed too fast and it wasn't worth making notes, the RadioActive tag was enough.
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Re: Gmail Notes (Sidebar add-on for Firefox only) - Mini Review
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2012, 07:30 AM »
@TaoPhoenix:
Well, I think you're quite right about Stick A Note, and I was wrong (too hasty).

I had previously just given Stick A Note a very hasty and cursory once-over. It didn't seem to work properly and the notes didn't seem to persist, so I uninstalled it, thinking to come back and recheck it at a later stage. But I hadn't done so yet.
After reading your comment, I installed the latest version of Stick A Note, and it seems to work fine and the notes persist (are sticky), even (and especially) in Gmail. I've not seen that before - a sort of "local" form of Gmail Notes, without the frills or the cloud.
And I like that the notes are stored in one location as .TXT files. Makes them small and easily indexed/searchable.

I think maybe you or I should do a thorough trial and mini-review of Stick A Note now!
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EDIT 2017-12-20:
« Last Edit: December 19, 2017, 11:47 PM by IainB »

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Re: Gmail Notes (Sidebar add-on for Firefox only) - Mini Review
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2017, 11:46 PM »
Added this EDIT to my previous comment above:

EDIT 2017-12-20:

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